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Anti-Gay Group Decides Slave Children Were Not Really Better Off

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All right, all right, so maybe the black family wasn't better off during slavery. That's the latest from a religious right organization that meant to attack same-sex marriage.


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Kit B (276)
Thursday July 14, 2011, 8:33 am

The conservative pro-family organization called THE FAMiLY LEADER (TFL) last week boldly issued a sweeping 14-point candidate pledge by which office-seekers would declare “a Dependence on MARRIAGE and FAMILY.” Entitled “The Marriage Vow,” the document’s original language included an astonishingly ham-fisted evaluation of black children born out of wedlock, suggesting that life for black children was better in bondage because both parents were more often present then than now: “Slavery had a disastrous impact on African-American families, yet sadly a child born into slavery in 1860 was more likely to be raised by his mother and father in a two-parent household than was an African-American baby born after the election of the USA’s first African-American President.”

Critics had a field day. “A good rule of thumb for empathizing with black Americans is avoiding suggestions that we were better off as property,” blogger Adam Serwer wrote at The American Prospect. Baratunde Thurston, co-founder of Jack & Jill Politics, wrote, “Who in the world thinks bringing up slavery to defend family is a good idea?” Thurston sarcastically pointed out that if one insisted on carrying the tortured logic a bit further, slaves could be seen as beneficiaries of free housing, health care and board, not to mention experiencing zero unemployment, plus plenty of fresh air and exercise.
Even many conservatives, some of whom tend to gush over political pledges, balked at this one. Blogger Mack Rawden, at the website Pop Blend, wrote, “I’ll throw my vote away to a third party before I help anyone who signs this disgusting Marriage Vow. … The Marriage Vow is not only stupid, it’s hateful, illogical and hypocritical. It pretends to defend the rights of some by pissing all over the rights of others.”

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Kit B (276)
Thursday July 14, 2011, 8:39 am

Ummm, and about those nuclear families, if memory serves many parents of slave children were taken from their children and auctioned to the highest bidder. Shame on all of those who would write this and then even consider attaching their signature. Shame on those so filled with bigotry and hate that they resorted to this gambit to demonstrate their feelings toward our duly elected President and toward both men and women who are gay. I am embarrassed for them .

Kudos to those who took immediate action, both liberal and conservative to denounce this worthless idea of a pledge against all things American.

Esther Z (94)
Thursday July 14, 2011, 9:02 am
Time and time again, these extreme right wing nutters show their ignorance, and thinly vailed racism. How in the world would any sane person believe that a child born into slavery somehow had it better than in today's society? I also see the pledge had an anti-sharia law, and "all other anti-woman, anti-human rights forms of totalitarian control”. Funny, that sounds just like them; look at all the anti-reproductive rights legislation being pushed by the ultra conservative officials. I'd would say that's pretty much anti-woman. Anti-gay marriage legislation? I would consider that anti-human rights! As for totalitarian control, does destroying collective bargaining and voter suppresion count?

Thomas H (37)
Thursday July 14, 2011, 12:16 pm
"You cannot currently send a star to Esther because you have done so within the last week." Well dang. Well said, as usual, Esther. Flaming evangelicals, LiberPublicans and Teabuggers all, are the bane of human existence.

Kit B (276)
Thursday July 14, 2011, 12:32 pm

Oh darn - out of Green Stars again.

I really wonder if these folks know what totalitarian government is or that they are not walking but running head long into that.

pam w (139)
Thursday July 14, 2011, 12:33 pm
I sent one for Thomas, Kit and myself!

Kit B (276)
Thursday July 14, 2011, 12:40 pm

I thank ya kindly Missy Pam.

Eileen Novak (444)
Thursday July 14, 2011, 12:41 pm
“Slavery had a disastrous impact on African-American families, yet sadly a child born into slavery in 1860 was more likely to be raised by his mother and father in a two-parent household than was an African-American baby born after the election of the USA’s first African-American President.”

Racist double-whammy! (Was there ever any out-of-wedlock births prior to Obama? Nope, I thought not.)

Wow. I am amazed that even an ignorant bigot wouldn't be appalled by such hateful., harming, mean-spirited, nonsense. I shudder to think that there are people out there reading that crap and nodding their heads in agreement. They walk amongst us. Even worse, they VOTE.


Eileen Novak (444)
Thursday July 14, 2011, 12:46 pm
...and another thing -
Equating gay marriage with "African-American" single parents is not only offensive racist fear mongering, but also a glaring example of faulty LOGIC. Rhetoric at its lowest.
My brain may only have a couple of functioning cells left, but at least I try to use one of them.

Kit B (276)
Thursday July 14, 2011, 12:53 pm

All true Eileen except Obama's parents were married and therein lies the conspiracy nonsense.

This kind of thinking is so ugly, so beneath contempt that I hesitated even posting this - but then we all should know this sort of sickness has entered our political arena and is something we must fight.

Rep. Michele Bachmann and former Sen. Rick Santorum have become the first signers, even before the changes were made.


Eileen Novak (444)
Thursday July 14, 2011, 2:54 pm
Ops, my wording was off. I meant before Obama's presidency, not his birth. Although I am sure he was "legitimate" I wouldn't care if he weren't.
Bachmann & Santorum as signers? Of course. (Shaking head.) I would think even pandering fools, such as those two doozies, would have read that masterpiece of hate and said, "No." Silly me. I still cling to the hope that ignorance has limits when reality proves me wrong daily.

Nancy M (147)
Thursday July 14, 2011, 2:57 pm
Let them all sign- so we know who they are and can be sure to not vote for them. So we know them for their hatefulness.

Kit B (276)
Thursday July 14, 2011, 3:56 pm

Some will vote for them any way and that I see as being a very sad comment on some American voters.

LeMoyn Salmonsen (88)
Thursday July 14, 2011, 4:17 pm
It's all about what people believe, facts, accuracy, reality rarely finds room in the confined cranium of the brain dead sociopath. I too hope they line up to sign for ease of future identification with hard evidence to show their supporters when the ship hits the rocks.

LeMoyn Salmonsen (88)
Thursday July 14, 2011, 4:18 pm
Hay, I still had a star for Esther, done

. (0)
Thursday July 14, 2011, 5:42 pm
noted with disgust

Joe R (190)
Thursday July 14, 2011, 5:43 pm
And Michelle Bachmann signed this pledge with the slavery clause in place. Be afraid of this woman - very, very afraid!!!

Mary L (132)
Thursday July 14, 2011, 5:49 pm
Thank you Kit. I can't understand how Bachmann is still on stage, except for the comedy value. That anyone would dream of saying that black children, or any black person, was better off during slavery. Wonder how many of them are Holocaust deniers as well?

Susanne R (236)
Thursday July 14, 2011, 9:45 pm
You can count on the religious right to be religously wrong...

Hating others --even on the pretense of defending religion, family and country-- is still hatred. Shame on the haters!

Gloria H (88)
Thursday July 14, 2011, 10:11 pm
Uh, some of the "fathers" of slave children were the WHITE slave owners who raped their slaves! I doubt if any of those proud papas even claimed any of the children as their own, let alone "help" raise them!!!

Rose Becke (141)
Friday July 15, 2011, 3:54 am

Esther Z (94)
Friday July 15, 2011, 4:14 am
Thanks, Thomas, Pam, Eileen, Hawkeye, Paula and Kit for sending or wanting to send me a green star! :)

Sharon Balloch (127)
Friday July 15, 2011, 5:15 am
Now thats scary stuff.. you say these folks are educated? NO really? are you sure??

IE R (237)
Saturday July 16, 2011, 2:01 pm

An anthropological note about "nuclear families": this is a relatively recent development in overall human history and did not exist in many locations until the Industrial Revolution in Great Britain and later in the USA. Then it became a normative situation because adults became more mobile due to technological developments and migration was necessary in a work-for-pay economy.

In other words? It's not "natural" at all. In most cultures, until quite recently, families were organized into clans and contained extended family members (think: grandparents, aunts, uncles, cousins, nieces, nephews, half-relations, etc.). As an example, avuncular kin in many Native American tribal clans were addressed by titles according to their age group in a particular generation. This means that all women who were in the general age group of one's parents could be called aunt/uncle, an all persons in the age group of one's grandparents could be addressed that way as well.

Remember, we are PRIMATES and our natural social organization is that of the primate troupe where we live in small family clans. That is what's *natural* for us to do, not in small, male-female-child isolated groups within mega-societies numbering in the billions....

Kit B (276)
Saturday July 16, 2011, 2:17 pm

Thank you, Rooibos a excellent comment, not only factual but very relevant to many arguments made about the need for a "return" to the nuclear family. Mom. Dad, Aunts, Uncles, cousins, good friends and neighbors all can and should be a part of the community we also call family.

IE R (237)
Saturday July 16, 2011, 5:23 pm

Hi Kit, if we "returned" to our natural family unit, we'd have exactly what you just described: an extended family which includes both blood relations and other persons which become part of the clan either be pairing or simply by acceptance. But the point is that humans live in family GROUPS and THAT is normal. A man, a woman, and a child is NOT a "natural" family unit according to all but the last 160 years of human history.

It would be laughable that the jokers in the above TFL organization were so uninformed except that too many people don't understand science (anthropology) enough to do their own research and find out otherwise. That, to me, is just as scary.

So, what is the TFL going to tell us next? That the Rwandan Holocaust of 1994 didn't happen and "just a few Tutsi's left the country" or that the siege and occupation of Nanking was "good" for the civilians (especially the women) who lived through it. Feh.

Kit B (276)
Saturday July 16, 2011, 5:32 pm

For the most part I do try to ignore groups like TFL but I know that it is relevant only because it has so much influence. I worry a lot about the children being kept at home and out of school. Where are their social connections? Those I know are very limited in what is taught and who they may interact with socially. We have the ability to make our communities into extended families - we simply make the choice to be afraid rather then accepting.

If the Rwandan holocaust of 1994 didn't happen then where did all those dead people come from? I'm sure they will have an answer. Nonsense leads to more nonsense ---
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