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U.S. Confidence in Organized Religion at Low Point - - Gallup

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Forty-four percent of Americans have a great deal or quite a lot of confidence in "the church or organized religion" today, just below the low points Gallup has found in recent years, including 45% in 2002 and 46% in 2007.


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Janelle Wong (71)
Saturday July 14, 2012, 10:23 am

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Saturday July 14, 2012, 10:31 am

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Jason S (50)
Saturday July 14, 2012, 10:46 am

Jean M (143)
Saturday July 14, 2012, 12:23 pm
Great article, not sure I agree. That is what makes life interesting. Thanks

Maggie S (40)
Saturday July 14, 2012, 12:32 pm
No surprise there! Not the was organized religion has become right-wing and radical, trying to ram their ideas down everyone's throat! There ar too many religious radicals who want to seize power just like corporations, elected officials, and the rest. They have set aside true religious priciples (if any exist) in favor of power and money. I got out of a church years ago. My parent were the ones who rammed the Lutheran church down my throat and I knew it was not for me. Even then, it was run by politics and money. The bigger the church, the bigger the donors, and the more money it would bring in. I decided I like the Buddhists much better several years ago much to my mom's disapproval. She would call them "Muslims" trying to get rise out of me. I finally drug her to see the Dalai Lama when he was in Denver and she love him. That ended the snide Muslim comments. But, I have also seen the report where the American Atheist Church is growing - organized religion is it's own worst enemy - and, it preys on the vulnerable and the weak who are looking for something in their lives - just like Hitler did!

Suruna WTF (38)
Saturday July 14, 2012, 12:57 pm
The problem is that 94% of churches/organized religions are just thinly veiled businesses and shell games, yes pretty much. (Did you know that 79% of all statistics are made up on the spot? I just did it twice) But my statement is true, and likely the stats aren't far from true either. Like Romney claiming 16% (the actual figure I heard) in charitable donations, that's his 'walking around' income, not the portion that is in the "let it ride" column. Mormans tithe, it's a business, and a deduction. It seems always to come back to the money. Translation, power and control.

William K (308)
Saturday July 14, 2012, 1:00 pm
That boat sailed for me a long time for me a long time ago. I am not surprised by the results, especially that the decline is being lead among Catholics. From the pedophile cover-ups to the flagrant intervention into US politics over and above the will of the US Catholic membership, I am actually a little surprised that the numbers are not lower among Catholics.

I would also suggest that there is evidence here as to why the Wall of Separation between church and state is beneficial to religion - when the church starts taking sides in politics, it will lose some of its membership base. Participation in politics discredits the church as a religious institution.

Yvonne White (229)
Saturday July 14, 2012, 1:46 pm
The problem is that Organized Religion is too much like Organized Crime, but with fewer benefits!;) I think MOST Americans are spiritual, just not brainwashed. Even us athiests & agnostics try to respect other's religions, so it's not a Problem. The God-Fearing types may dispair at the lack of confidence in religion in America, but the Real Problem is the Lack of Empathy in America!

Susan L (150)
Saturday July 14, 2012, 2:00 pm
I am not surprised either. The Bible was written by men, not God. Religions are established, promoted, funded and run by man. Even IF the men that started these religions were genuine in their commitment, they still were no more than a man. Every organized religion has been compromised by the imperfections of man many times over because man even interprets religious messages to his own beliefs. "The Ten Commandments" are the only commands "written in stone".

I think Maggie S. has put it correctly when she says religions "have set aside true religious priciples (if any exist) in favor of power and money" and "organized religion is it's own worst enemy".

Yvonne White (229)
Saturday July 14, 2012, 2:08 pm
Amen to that, Sue & Maggie!:)

Gene Jacobson (290)
Saturday July 14, 2012, 2:27 pm
"This follows a long-term decline in Americans' confidence in religion since the 1970s."

This simply shows that people are awakening to the fact that religion is a male invented tool for keeping the people under control and compliant with their authority. I would love to have been a fly on the wall at Nicea when the men decided what parts of written texts should be included and what parts excluded. They chose those things that helped them maintain control. And make a nice living for doing nothing but persuading people that our Creator is as small as they are and only talks to some of Her children, the rest being deemed unworthy of speaking too. What a load. And I'm unsurprised that Catholics have the smallest percentage of faithful either since their's is the most repressive religion by far and the one most dogmatic and misogynistic, filled with pedophiles and their protector's, with no more regard for the abilities of women than Muslims have. This isn't a trend that is going away either, in fact it will accelerate because the truth is these religionists have NO idea of what they speak and that truth will be revealed in due time as well.

MmAway M (514)
Saturday July 14, 2012, 2:34 pm
Just a note sweetie, your link you sent me with your news DIDN'T WORK, thus had to get on your page to get all of your news.

Ummm not sure I want to get into this one! But will note~! xx

Suruna WTF (38)
Saturday July 14, 2012, 2:35 pm
A church is a church is church, an organized entity with an agenda. What difference does it make if it's atheist? It sounds like a clever way to use our system to organize politically. Our system is such a convoluted piece of crap now we should all start thinking of using the legal forms of corporations and churches to protect ourselves by forming legal collectives, by whatever name. Our individual rights have become nonexistent, we don't have the power to play and survive the game. Just a thought, but why not beat 'them' at their own game?

MmAway M (514)
Saturday July 14, 2012, 2:40 pm
BTW...Personally, I HATE ALL OF THE TV SHOWS with religion on them and want them all off immediately, but was raised Lutheran and lived with the Pastor and his Wife, thus, I have a strong belief and that has gotten me through all of so many problems as well as illness that I have had to endure. I grew up that way since 4 years old. Sadly, I have in the past gone away, but it is still in my HEAD

Please do remember that on all of our $$ it does State IN GOD WE TRUST~

Had to reply since if I did not I would deny what I believe~

pam w (139)
Saturday July 14, 2012, 6:08 pm
People have lost confidence and respect for organized religion because it continues to reveal itself as hypocritical, self-centered and downright intrusive into the lives of those unfortunates in its sway!

Gene, Yvonne and William say it well for me....but I'll add Dawkins' fine quote....RELIGION SPOILS EVERYTHING!

Nimue Michelle Pendragon Gaze (339)
Saturday July 14, 2012, 7:52 pm

JL A (281)
Sunday July 15, 2012, 6:41 am
In 1973, when confidence was higher, the mainstream media reports about the Catholic Church and Protestant denominations were primarily the leaders taking action and speaking out against the wars in SE Asia based on Christ's Biblical commands to his followers about peace (Vietnam, Laos) whereas today the bulk of mainstream media reports are the church leaders seeking policies that harm the poor and marginalized in Society whom Christ commanded His followers to love and protect or being charged with harming children so that the public is bombarded with the leaders not aligning their views with the Biblical New Testament but rather remaining with Old Testament laws for their chosen behavior. Such inconsistencies, especially when expressed with the hatred sometimes displayed makes it much harder for people to trust.

Craig Pittman (52)
Sunday July 15, 2012, 7:32 am
It is on the decline here in Canada as well especially in the Christian denominations. You are not required to swear on the bible when giving evidence in court. There is no official religion in Canada. It is a religious pluralistic society. To each their own.
Interesting Kit. Thank you.

Past Member (0)
Sunday July 15, 2012, 12:57 pm
Just Think

Just Think part 2

Past Member (0)
Sunday July 15, 2012, 1:54 pm
Though man’s brain has evolved to a point where it is capable of the most ridiculous of fantasies, it sadly has not evolved far enough to realize the folly.

Richard Smith (81)
Sunday July 15, 2012, 2:08 pm
Condemning ALL "religion" because some super power religions are corrupt isn't going to
help us who are Native American traditionalists revive our ceremonies and practices that were nearly exterminated by the DDT blasts of missionizing Christianity.
While we are trying hard to untangle ourselves from the suppression of EURO-american Christianity
Are we NOW going to get blasted by EURO-american Atheism? Our children are pushed off the swing-set from the front, and now our children are going to be pushed off the swing from behind?

There are those of us who believe balance is the key. Some of us also believe atheism can also be a problem
and be simply the emptiness one feels when one realizes the gods of the middle east are idols made in the image of man. Native American beliefs are not proselytizing. Many of us understand that religious stories and visions are "relative" to its own people, and are allegorical, are contextual pictures of sensed, but undescribable reality that's NOT found by universal "isms" or human designed thinking paradigms such as the constructed paradigm of Rationalism.

Past Member (0)
Sunday July 15, 2012, 2:54 pm
'emptiness', Richard? No myth needs to be embraced for us to commune with the profundity of our circumstance. No personal god need be worshipped for us to live in awe at the beauty and immensity of creation.
Emptiness? Hardly.

Barbara Tomlinson (431)
Sunday July 15, 2012, 3:04 pm
Maggie: There is, as far as I know anyway, no "American Atheist Church" that's growing; unless it's a small group of weirdos somewhere, way way outside of the mainstream of normal people. Well, in California you might come across ANYthing.
I have been an Atheist ALL my life; and I ain't heard of any "American Atheist Church". I certainly would NEVER join what sounds like another CULT, if I ever came across it!
I think, personally, I may be wrong but I think that the idea of such a thing as an "American Atheist Church" is just something some Xian preacher came up with to try and SCARE his congregation: "oooooh, the American Atheist Church is gonna get your kids!!!"
100% of the Atheists I know -- and that includes a GOOD number of them whom I have met here as Care2 members -- 100% of us would NEVER even dream of "joining an Organized Religion", whether it called itself "Atheist" or something else!!!
What IS growing, and by leaps and bounds, is the number of people WHO ARE WILLING TO COME OUT AND CALL THEMSELVES ATHEISTS. Perhaps we always existed in larger numbers than we, or anybody else thought; but now, it has become "respectable" to COME OUT AND SAY YOU'RE AN ATHEIST, just like it is now made much more easy for a Gay or Lesbian person to "come out of the closet". SAME types of Social Changes.
Atheists are simply people who DO NOT BELIEVE IN A GOD or gods or goddesses. That does not DEFINE us as a group! It would be like making a group out of "people who don't wear the color red", or "people who don't have blue eyes", "people who don't own cats", "people who don't go to public libraries".

Atheists do have positive beliefs in a lot of things, disagree with one another about our beliefs, come from many different cultural backgrounds -- but, the LAST thing we are, or ever will be, is an organized "Church"!!!

Past Member (0)
Sunday July 15, 2012, 3:25 pm
Yes Richard, I condemn ALL 'religion', for it's propensity for division. If civilization is ever to live in harmony, religion will not be part of the equation.

Barbara Tomlinson (431)
Sunday July 15, 2012, 3:31 pm
Atheists are certainly not a "Church" in any sense; you don't have to swear to a certain set of beliefs to "join the Church"; some Atheists are absolute materialists, some [like myself] tend towards being Spiritual, some Atheists enjoy religious art & music, some don't, some argue all the time, some just live their lives.....

For example, I do believe in Faith Healing, I've seen it actually work, I have no explanation, I just know that it does work! A lot of Atheists wouldn't be with me on this.... I say, we can take the Good Stuff OUT of religion, for ourselves, without being bound by a stupid, non-scientific dogma, after all, HUMAN BEINGS invented religion, including the art, music, "faith" healing {for which there must be some "natural" explanation, we just don't know it!}. I believe the "supernatural" is natural. But not all Atheists think alike, by any means!

Anyway, I have read, and maybe this is the cause for some confusion with a supposed "Church" -- I have read, that Atheists ARE ORGANIZING. NOT, to form a "religion" for god's sake {irony intended!}; but rather, organizing to FIGHT FOR OUR CIVIL RIGHTS: in some instances, Atheists are treated like second-class citizens; and, we STILL are FAR from having COMPLETE SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE.
{Also, we Atheists might be organizing, like we do here on Care2, just because we enjoy each others' company!}
That's NOT a "church" or a "cult" or "organized religion" by ANY stretch of the imagination!l

I see Greek gods and goddesses and the Women of Troy, in my dreams and visions.... I respect Native American beliefs, and those of other aboriginal people in the world..... I think with Dr. Haldane, that "The Universe is not only stranger than we know; it is stranger than we CAN know."
"Organized Religion" thinks it has all the answers. Most Atheists {I can't speak for all of them!}, DON'T think there is a pat list of "answers", a "Catechism". That takes blind FAITH, what boils down to Faith in Inevitably-Corrupt or Corruptible Authority........Authority on a Power Trip. No thank you. We Atheists are DONE with all that.....!!!

Lois Jordan (63)
Sunday July 15, 2012, 3:42 pm
Back in the '60s when I was a kid, my mom dragged me to the TV to watch Phil Donahue interview Madalyn Murray O'Hare. I don't remember the interview other than she was portrayed as the face of atheism and demonized by many. Atheists then were the outcasts of society. We have come so far! It seems what's lacking from this conversation is that all the major world religions are patriarchal....that is what finally broke me completely from all religion, (esp. Catholicism).
Our problem seems to be the divisiveness created by labels: atheist, agnostic, non-theist....Although I don't believe in god, I do believe in afterlife--so I'm not "atheist." I don't question whether god exists; so I'm not agnostic. I'll take the "non-theist" label because...what's left? The Freedom From Religion Foundation comes closest to what I stand for, and they're fighting the good fight.
I've successfully raised all my kids to question everything and they're raising their kids the same way....none of us attends any church, and we're so much happier for it. The Golden Rule is a simple start on this path; and the recognition that both good and evil exist.

Past Member (0)
Sunday July 15, 2012, 3:49 pm
Those that think there is an American Atheist church somewhere, miss the point entirely. What you would call ‘atheist’ doesn’t need a church. In all honestly, it doesn’t even warrant a NAME! Do you call those that don’t believe in astrology non-astrologists? Do they attend a ‘mass’ somewhere? Do you call those that aren’t racists non-racists? Where do I go for those meetings?

Barbara Tomlinson (431)
Sunday July 15, 2012, 3:52 pm
Yes, "organized religion" is DIVISIVE, because it CLAIMS to be "divinely inspired by God" and THEREFORE "have all the answers". Trouble is, DARNED IF EACH RELIGION DOESN'T HAVE A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT, AND MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE, SET OF ANSWERS!
Gee, you'd think that GOD, if he existed, would SET ALL THIS STRAIGHT IN AN INSTANT, no??????? Be EASY-SLEAZY for god to stop all the killing and suffering..... just say, ok, THIS is the One True Way..... and prove it by whatever it takes to convince 100% of the people......
Okay, and each religion has tortured verbal explanations that DON'T CONVINCE........
So what's wrong with a MYSTERY? the Mystery being not how the tortured "explanations" don't make any sense...... the Mystery being the Whole Universe Creating Itself over & over every moment........

I'm trying to get around to saying;
The best thing to do is to go BACK to the Parish where you were Baptized, and, IN WRITING, RENOUNCE YOUR BAPTISM. Make SURE it is properly noted and filed! Otherwise, once you're baptized you are on the Catholic Church rolls FOREVER -- and the Church can claim ZILLIONS MORE MEMBERS than it really is entitled to claim -- giving the Vatican and the Pope-a-dope a SEEMING POWER THAT THEY DON'T DESERVE.
I was told this by a Catholic friend. Who actually DID this.
Also, RENOUNCING YOUR BAPTISM shows the World, and other Catholics still tied, that YOU ARE NOT SCAREDY-SCARED OF ETERNAL HELLFIRE. Ya know, the ONLY way to avoid Eternal Hellfire, is thru being a Baptized a Catholic......!!!

Past Member (0)
Sunday July 15, 2012, 4:09 pm
Sam Harris on the "dangers" of "atheism"


John Doe (22)
Sunday July 15, 2012, 4:20 pm
There is no such thing as an 'atheist church'. Period., Atheists need churches like they need holes in their heads. Atheists are simply sensible people who do not believe that a mythical being in the sky is controlling their lives and watching over them 24/7.

Yes B.Mutiny zillions of people are leaving the Catholic Church. Do you blame them when a church that preaches heaven and hell is hell bent on protecting its pedophile priests?

Past Member (0)
Sunday July 15, 2012, 4:37 pm
I’m hesitant to point out that Sam Harris makes a ‘hell’ of a lot of sense. The statement alone highlights the depth that ridiculous fantasies have in our culture’s lexicon. I’m sure everyone understands my meaning, while I’m sure there will be the few that will insist on twisting it to conform to their delusional beliefs.

Vallee R (280)
Sunday July 15, 2012, 4:43 pm
People are realizing that organized religion is not the answer - the world is still falling apart and even Christ said, "The Kingdom is within you."

Past Member (0)
Sunday July 15, 2012, 4:57 pm
John, good one, '...hell bent on protecting its pedophile priests?'

Past Member (0)
Sunday July 15, 2012, 5:07 pm
As was Penn State 'hell bent' on protecting its pedophile coach. (coaches?)

Talya H (10)
Sunday July 15, 2012, 5:34 pm
Thanks for the article!

Susan L (150)
Sunday July 15, 2012, 6:13 pm
Great comments here!

Past Member (0)
Sunday July 15, 2012, 8:11 pm
My answer to Care2's question, 'Why is this inappropriate', would get me a life time ban if I placed it in these comments. I've gotten 2 week suspensions for using only one of those words. Let me just say, threats to leave Care2 must be falling on deaf ears.


Past Member (0)
Sunday July 15, 2012, 8:34 pm
‘Amen to that’, ‘OMG’, ‘come hell or high water’, ‘hell bent’, ‘for christ sake’,......

All I can say is, 'HELLS BELLS!

Past Member (0)
Sunday July 15, 2012, 10:22 pm
I hear that Care2 has deals with these Chinese folks to allow them to place their cheap, dog skin boots and all the other garbage counterfit crap in all of these Care2 threads. I wonder how much of that is true? They sure aren't doing anything to put a stop to it, or even answer my requests for an explanation why they won't stop it. Looks like they're going to do their Drinking With the Devil

Past Member (0)
Monday July 16, 2012, 1:55 am
If religious war is ever to become unthinkable for us, in the way that slavery and cannibalism seem poised too, it will be a matter of our having dispensed with the dogma of faith. If our tribalism is ever to give way to an extended moral identity, our religious beliefs can no longer be sheltered from the tides of genuine inquiry and genuine criticism. It is time we realized that to presume knowledge where one has only pious hope is a species of evil. Wherever conviction grows in inverse proportion to its justification, we have lost the very basis for human cooperation. Where we have reason for what we believe, we have no need of faith; where we have no reasons, we have lost both our connection to the world and to one another. People who harbor strong convictions without evidence belong at the margins of our societies, not in our halls of power. The only thing we should respect in a person’s faith is his desire for a better life in this world; we need never have respected his certainty that one awaits him in the next.

Kenneth L (314)
Monday July 16, 2012, 8:10 am
I have recently observed that there are a ton of human beings walking around who pretend to know 'the truth' about things (including religious beliefs) but know darn well they don't ACTUALLY know, and the rest of everyone else walking around complaining that other human beings say they know! lol

Belief and faith are substitutes for knowing. They're below the level of knowing. If a person knew he wouldn't have to 'believe' or 'have faith'. When a person doesn't actually know something, ANY data can be used to fill in the blank, right, wrong, true, false, doesn't matter.
So, for example in Christianity or Islam and others, if you don't KNOW what happens when you die, you can at least 'believe' or 'have faith' about what might happen.

A good thing would be for people to stop kidding themselves that they know something when they know darn well they don't. In fact, saying you don't know something is more truth than someone who says they know something but know they don't ACTUALLY.

Charlene Rush (79)
Monday July 16, 2012, 1:48 pm
Corporate religious organizations are caught between a rock and a hard place.
When they hide the truth the public doesn't like it; and, if they tell us the truth, the consequences would be worse.

berny p (23)
Tuesday July 17, 2012, 9:59 am

may be people are actually starting to use their brains instead of been told what to do.......
lets hope this.....miracle...carry on!
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