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The reality of the matter is that Prop. 19 has the deck stacked against it simply because there is no precedent for a voting public of a state to endorse removing all civil and criminal penalties associated with adult marijuana use. All preceding efforts


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Tim Redfern (581)
Friday July 30, 2010, 12:43 pm
The deputy director of the
National Organisation to Reform Marijuana Laws states
that "there is no template available that shows what you
need to do to achieve victory."

Well, it's time for the people of California to invent that template,
and win, and get Proposition 19 passed. There will be massive
court challenges, no doubt, but the time is past to begin, somewhere.

Many thanks to all who will note, comment-on and forward this story.

Friday July 30, 2010, 3:47 pm
Noted. It's time to get out of the dark ages. Although, in the dark ages they probably smoked pot happily knowing that there were no repercussions.

Anne T (180)
Friday July 30, 2010, 3:57 pm
Noted and shared :)

Lone W (1428)
Friday July 30, 2010, 3:58 pm
it's about time

David Gould (155)
Friday July 30, 2010, 4:06 pm
Having seen first hand the misery that drugs cause I could never legalise this...but then I would ban alcohol as well as tobacco...both big time killers. Pot is not harmless as it changes the neurological pathways within the brain which in layman's terms means it changes the way we act, think and you really want to legalise that?

Mehdi H (27)
Friday July 30, 2010, 4:27 pm

Friday July 30, 2010, 4:33 pm
Not a pot smoker myself, but certainly anyone can see that alcohol is far more dangerous than pot. Alcohol ruins families, induces violence, ruins lives, whereas all I can see is that pot may make people a little less motivated and hungry, but have never seen violence associated with it. In Canada, "Superior and appellate courts in Ontario have repeatedly declared Canada's marijuana laws to be of no force and effect". There are a lot bigger problems to deal with than smoking pot.

Valerie W (135)
Friday July 30, 2010, 4:48 pm
I hope it passes, and that more states/countries realize that legalizing would be a good thing. Thanks Pastor Tim!

Tim Redfern (581)
Friday July 30, 2010, 5:41 pm
David Gould,
you are a dear friend, and I deeply respect your opinion,
although I disagree with it. Perhaps there are more or different
Cannabis problems in Britain than in the states. I would like
to keep an attitude with people that Cannabis is a medication,
and not primarily a "couch potato"'s recreational drug.
If it becomes across-the-board legal in California, this would
enable far more people to use Cannabis for medical reasons,
without having to deal with the legendary beaurocracy of
the state of Caliifornia.

pam M (98)
Friday July 30, 2010, 6:16 pm
The state needs to the economy is shot, and we as a nation need to rid ourselves of the "great lie" regarding pot.

Ralph R Sutton (56)
Friday July 30, 2010, 7:38 pm
We rarely agree, Pastor Tim, but on this issue I agree with you completely. Cannabis was grown by George Washington and it wasn't used for smoking. The smoking kind is NOT addictive like alcohol and tobacco and it does have a number of beneficial benefits especially in the field of pain relief where alcohol destroys the liver and tobacco destroys the lungs. It was made illegal for political and economic reasons. The cotton industry was a very powerful force and cannabis was a major competitor and it was for that reason it was made illegal.

Carmen S (69)
Friday July 30, 2010, 8:16 pm
I totally agree this should pass even if they just make it for medicinal purposes only. I do not think healthy people should use it but people who are in pain should be allowed to use it without penalty.

H Nick H (1826)
Friday July 30, 2010, 8:26 pm
It is totally crazy to outlaw cannabis, and yet allow, subsidice and support tobacco for cigarettes, which have been proven poisonous, addictive and harmful to humans, rats (the use the chemicals in cigaretters as rat poison), and everything that touches it, except the pocketbooks of the rich repubicans that keep it going.

It's time this farc stops. It has already been proven to be of help, and even though I don't smoke, I know those who do and use it for medical purposes.

The reason it is still on there, is for power and greed of those politicians than benifit from it. Mostly repubs, but some democrates too.

I hope CA leads the nation and passes this. Just see who's money is put against this. Watch and learn.

Ralph R Sutton (56)
Friday July 30, 2010, 8:39 pm
Very good point, Nick, follow the money.

Matloob ul Hasan (81)
Friday July 30, 2010, 9:04 pm
Noted, thanks.

Dalia H (1280)
Friday July 30, 2010, 11:01 pm
Noted and Thank You so much for posting and sharing my Beloved Friend Pastor Tim.
Much Love,

Michelle Lell (255)
Saturday July 31, 2010, 12:09 am
Marijuana is not even close on the plane as other drugs (both legal & illegal) I am a recovering crack addict (I am not proud to be an addict I AM proud to be in recovery) & I am addicted to nicotine. Believe me, I had an easier time getting into recovery from crack than I have had trying to quit nicotine. So, I hope they do legalize marijuana.

Past Member (0)
Saturday July 31, 2010, 12:39 am
Thank you for sharing!

mr Crowley (23)
Saturday July 31, 2010, 12:58 am
drug laws concerning pot are a joke almost worldwide.

legalize it!

Bob E (113)
Saturday July 31, 2010, 3:59 am
Pot is only a political issue… and That’s that… If another herb was useful against chemo nausea or other symptoms…. there would NOt be this HUGE debate… There would NOT be the uproar from conservative, silly, know-it-all idiots…

Anyway… it certainly should NOT be punished or associated like hard drugs...

Terrie Williams (798)
Saturday July 31, 2010, 6:25 am
I hope it passes.

Patricia Cannell (818)
Saturday July 31, 2010, 6:26 am
It should never have been made illegal in the first place!

Cynthia Davis (340)
Saturday July 31, 2010, 7:24 am

. (0)
Saturday July 31, 2010, 10:46 am
I would rather see anyone smoke a joint than drink booze. That is the number one killer in America people driving drunk. Not only that I here it helps with pain I haven't smoked any in a long time before I would freak out lol!!! pernoia but, now I'm older and have so much pain it would be worth a try for takingpain meds I don't like but I don't have a choice and shots. Thanks Tim hugs

Ron M (52)
Saturday July 31, 2010, 1:03 pm
Never used it and never will but, go ahead, make your day and legalize it since they are going to get it anyway, one way or the other. Legalize it, make some money on taxes, save lives while you're at it as the users do no longer have to steal or kill for it. It will be just like cigarettes and cigars. It will only kill those who OD on it but then again, there are a million things that can kill you if you OD on them and that has nothing to do with smoking pot.

Echo ELES (264)
Saturday July 31, 2010, 1:20 pm
TIM - I have to write something out I just learned about all this. The tobacco Company Philliip Morris has put in a bid to distribute MJ and you KNOW they will put additives etc. Same thing with Monsanto. I know people who medically need this script but providers (bontanists) and all voting NO - BECAUSE just like the small farms and mom and pop shops who are swallowed by the big corp. - that will happen here too. MEDICAL needs to be legal everywhere, but this particular law, will allow MONSANTO, PHILLIP MORRIS and every other dirty company that the USDA lets get away with murder, will be the corporate take over.

This law needs to be re-written, at least thats what my friends tell me. (I didnt know, was going to vote yes, until my friends who know all about MJ informed me.)

Just FYI

Gloria L (58)
Saturday July 31, 2010, 1:20 pm
I worked as a drug crisis worker starting in 1970, lots with LSD. Our position was that drugs were not the problem. I say it is communication. I've sat in small groups (4), each person on focus for 5 minutes, so each could say "what is a drug". I was amazed at the different answers each had to this question.
But mostly I noticed how "high" everyone was at the end of the 20 minute group. The rules were to let the person on focus have their say, actively listen to them, and keep our own opinions to ourselves until we were on focus.
We, as facilitators were unpaid or paid token, so it really irritated me when the Partnership for Drug...?
said the communication was an issue. I am for promoting "active listening" and wish more people had actively listened in 1970. The partnerships' words were 30 years later.
The other thing I noticed was that a major disrespect for the law was beginning to happen: That was 40- years ago.
Marijuana must be legalized. Trying to legislate if a person has a right to feel good, alleviate pain, or whatever is our Puritan beginning still holding on. Please let go, and let God. You are really not in control anyway, that is an illusion/delusion.
Thanks for listening. Sure wish I had some cause I feel miserable. Big pharma wants me to let them "help" me, and they do a lowsy job. What kind of thing is, for instance, taking one of their pills or caps for depression when a major side effect is depression?
Unconditional Love, Gloria

I think it is on topic to say that MDMA (ecstacy) which I have not used, is being used in studies to help with PDSD.
And are you aware that that diagnosis used to be called in WW11, battle fatigue or some such word which I don't exactly remember.
And that Plenty of Civilian Women who have been abused in so many ways also suffer from PTSD? It comes and goes for me. comments?

Craig Zimmerman (86)
Saturday July 31, 2010, 1:44 pm
I think California will legalize Marijuana and and the rest of the states should follow their example. The prohibition of Marijuana was always based on hysteria and not science.

Catherine Turley (192)
Saturday July 31, 2010, 2:28 pm
here's the economic rub. if it becomes legal, and people no longer fear the law and decide to grow their own, there won't be any tax dollars made. that being said, i think all drugs should be legalized in order to cut down on all the violence.

Past Member (0)
Saturday July 31, 2010, 2:57 pm
Noted. If it was good enough for George Washington and Thomas Jefferson to grow and use medicinally, then it's good enough for CA...and the rest of the US. Legalize it!

CollieGirl cg (26)
Saturday July 31, 2010, 3:20 pm
OMG - no, I pray they do not legalize it.

Mary D (64)
Saturday July 31, 2010, 3:24 pm
Noted. While I'm not into pot, or smoking anything for that matter, I want California to make it legal. California is in dire financial straits. The people who want marijuana are going to get it anyway, whether it's legal or not, and legalizing it will have at least five definite benefits. One, it will be controlled, and whoever buys it at the corner drugstore should be over 18. Two, it will put the pushers at a disadvantage. If people can buy pot legally, they won't have to sneak around in back alleys getting it from pushers who really would rather sell them heroin or cocaine - and who have a great sales pitch! Three, young kids who use it and get caught won't be immediately turned into criminals for life. Four, people who use it for medicinal purposes won't have to continue to feel awful while Big Brother goes through a frustrating waiting period to make sure that killing pain is their only reason to use it. Five: Iif pot is taxed the same way liquor or cigarettes are, California's financial problems should soon be over!

I'm sure there are more reasons why pot should be legalized, and am looking forward to hearing what others have to say about it.

Gregory Hilbert (422)
Saturday July 31, 2010, 3:43 pm
In the early nineties I took a time-out from other pursuits and I was hired part-time by the drug rehab program that was one of the places I trained as an aprrentice before later completing my degree and working as a clinical therapist in a community mental health facility and doing a little private practice. While I have some reservations on grounds our society is already overly checked out and addicted to escapes, net of all the considerations I think pot should be legalized. However, I believe there should be restrictions and penalities analogous to those for alcohol. If those are lacking in the California proposition, I'd vote no and patiently wait for a revised proposition. It's not high on my list of priorities. In fact, it's quite low.

Michael Carney (217)
Saturday July 31, 2010, 4:26 pm
If Alcohol, and Tobacco are legal, then so should Marijuana be legal...We could probably pay off the nation Debt in less then 10 years just from the money earned from the tax on it...And honestly speaking, would you rather be in a roomful of drunks, or a roomful of people who had smoked some weed? I agree it should be regulated, but it should also be legal...

Magdalena M (0)
Saturday July 31, 2010, 4:30 pm
Thank you Pastor Tim. Noted and forwarded.

Henriette Matthijssen (154)
Saturday July 31, 2010, 4:52 pm
Mary D. has some excellent point why Marijuana should be legalized & taxed accordingly like tobacco & alcohol! Many dealing with pain would not have to sneak around trying to purchase it & make them look & feel like they are criminals! There are so many more critical issues to deal with that takes priority over whether marijuana should be legalized! Legalized it all over the world & tax it accordingly & be done with it! Thanks Pastor Tim.

Past Member (0)
Saturday July 31, 2010, 5:02 pm
definitely, dude! ;)

Michael Masley (4)
Saturday July 31, 2010, 5:09 pm

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Saturday July 31, 2010, 5:48 pm

Saturday July 31, 2010, 6:02 pm
Great topic Pastor Tim.

I have never been a big marijuana user. I rate my interaction as nuetral. I do see the damage caused by alcohol, over the counter drugs, and other illegal drugs.

If marijuana is brought out of the shadows of illegality, I think it can be medically and recreationally productive.

The use of drugs are not the problem, it's the misuse, profit motive, government making drugs a black market item, and the ignorance around drugs in general.

How we can legalize alcohol, a drug that result a automobile accidents, destructon of families, and the detruction of health, and not legalize marijuana? It makes no practical sense to keep marijuana illegal, unless your intent is to preserve your profits.

Nightcat Mau (81)
Saturday July 31, 2010, 7:03 pm
Considering what the Decleration if Independence is written on, legalize it. Dying folks need something to take the edge off. Why do we show more compassion to animals than humans? sigh.

Cary Mostly-Away (94)
Saturday July 31, 2010, 8:24 pm
Do you want to know the crooked truth " How Marijuana Became Illegal "
by Bud Fairy

This fella (Rick Simpson)in Canada has a cure for cancer, sadly in Canada it is illegal to cure cancer.
RUN FROM THE CURE - The Rick Simpson Story (Part 1 of 7)

A few interesting points above about paranoia,
well if a person didn't have to worry about a size 12 kicking in their back door
for smoking a joint in the privacy of your own home, maybe, just maybe,
you wouldn't get paranoid over corrupt laws and smoking a joint.
Think of all the people JAILED over this and their lives devastated so guys like Dick Cheyne
can profit 100K a year for housing them and turn them into animals when they get out
without job opportunities because they are now branded with a record.

How many people would sign up for WAR if it were legal.
Not many because pot elevates your awareness to everything.
Pot smokers would rather make love than fight a war.
Ask all the hippies who were protesting the Viet Nam war with a joint in there hand.
Pot smokers are usually very peaceful people with creative skills capable of contributing
to society like anybody else if the stigma were to be removed.
Theres a time and place for everything including smoking a joint,
and times and places for not smoking a joint, like anytime you are in a position
that might harm someone else if you made a mistake or were careless,
but that goes with prescription drugs and alcohol also.
I will tell you one thing for sure- your mind is a lot clearer after tugging on a joint
than it is after a few beers or a few glasses of wine.
Nobody has ever beaten up a spouse after inhaling a little smoke.
Then you get hypocrites in office who say they have smoked but didn't inhale,
the same guys who set the rules for the rest of us.

Read the story by Bud Fairy (above) and you will see who belongs in jail
and who should be released.

Kathy Chadwell (354)
Saturday July 31, 2010, 9:54 pm
medical pot industry brings in around $100 million in sales tax revenue each year,

I saw a special on this just this week Pastor Tim, & they say the money is the only reason the feds are leaving them alone. What does that tell you about our federal government:)
I've never been against medical marijuana, I'm not even against pot as long as they don't get behind the wheel of a car. And I'm saying that as a person who does NOT smoke pot, can't be around pot (gives me migraines) Personally I wish the federal government would keep it's nose out of our medical conditions and our treatments with our doctors. All these stupid laws, there was a time you could get pain pills from your doctor (with a legit reason) now you must go to a expensive pain clinic and jump through expensive hoops (which I can't afford to do even with insurance) not to mention I hate hoops:)

Kathy Chadwell (354)
Saturday July 31, 2010, 9:55 pm
You cannot currently send a star to Pastor Tim because you have done so within the last week.

. (0)
Saturday July 31, 2010, 10:04 pm
"Legalized it !!

Eternal Gardener (734)
Saturday July 31, 2010, 10:20 pm
About time this happened!

Chris V (264)
Saturday July 31, 2010, 10:35 pm
About thirty years ago, I took care of a ten year old girl who was thrown 30 feet after being hit by a car. The driver of the car was an eighteen year old who was "high" from smoking pot. The ten year old, Jennifer lost the use of her body from her chin down and breathed through a tracheotomy. She was not supposed to live through her twenties. I have heard too many stories of people getting hurt or killed while under the influence in which I can not ignore. Marijauna is a mind altering drug. I feel that alcohol also is a drug that has neurological effects. While the benefits of taking pot may help a persons pain, the recreational use by far over rides this. I personally don't feel that any drug should be illegal, our government should not be involved in this type of issue. Just by letting the people who have marijauna convictions out of the jails would save the country loads of money. I do feel though that if a person uses any drug and harms another person, then the proper laws need to apply.

Saturday July 31, 2010, 11:35 pm
Chris, it might not have been that marijuana was the main cause of the unfortunate accident. Must eighteen year olds simply haven't learned to drive yet. I believe this age group have the highest auto accident rate of any age group.

I have never heard of an auto accident because of pot. On the other hand, I was almost killed when a drank driver rammed me from behind when I was completely stopped at a red light in my car at an intersection.

Alcohol to me detrimentally alters your driving ability much more than pot

Jenny Wascher (0)
Sunday August 1, 2010, 12:35 am
I hope they do! It's about time for us to come out of the dark ages. Marijuana has been demonized unfairly and for far too long.

Chris V (264)
Sunday August 1, 2010, 12:39 am
Unfortunately the 18 year old was only under the influence of pot. I have many friends who have been involed in auto accidents while under the influence of only pot also. It does impair driving besides other health risks.

"Myth: No one has ever died from using marijuana
The Kaiser study also found that daily pot users have a 30% higher risk of injuries, presumably from accidents. These figures are significant, though not as high as comparable risks for heavy drinkers or tobacco addicts. That pot can cause accidents is scarcely surprising, since marijuana has been shown to degrade short-term memory, concentration, judgment, and coordination at complex tasks including driving.(1) There have been numerous reports of pot-related accidents --- some of them fatal, belying the attractive myth that no one has ever died from marijuana. One survey of 1023 emergency room trauma patients in Baltimore found that fully 34.7% were under the influence of marijuana, more even than alcohol (33.5%); half of these (16.5%) used both pot and alcohol in combination.(2) This is perhaps the most troublesome research ever reported about marijuana; as we shall see, other accident studies have generally found pot to be less dangerous than alcohol. Nonetheless, it is important to be informed on all sides of the issue. Pot smokers should be aware that accidents are the number one hazard of moderate pot use. In addition, of course, the psychoactive effects of cannabis can have many other adverse effects on performance, school work, and productivity."

linda b (186)
Sunday August 1, 2010, 3:17 am
I don't believe any drugs should be legalised, we have major problems here from the use of pot and harder drugs. Thank you Pastor Tim.

Alet Coetzee (59)
Sunday August 1, 2010, 3:32 am

pam w (139)
Sunday August 1, 2010, 3:55 am
It should NOT be "legalized/taxed!" It should be DECRIMINALIZED! It's an HERB, people.....why on earth should it be taxed? I should be able to grow it in my garden...right there alongside my basil, my parsley and my cilantro.

Stop with the "let's tax it" idea, please!

AND...there is NO proof that marijuana is a "gateway" substance....NONE.

Jill Vickerman (416)
Sunday August 1, 2010, 6:11 am
I am of the opinion that alcohol is by far more dangerous and causes much more problems than marijuana ever did and I often wonder why nothing is ever done about the alcohol problem that is all around us everywhere we look.

diane n. (6)
Sunday August 1, 2010, 8:21 am

June M (395)
Sunday August 1, 2010, 9:22 am
California already is the Pot Head capital of the country. With millions of Illegals taking refuge here, why not reward them by legalizing pot?! They won't have to go to Mexico for their jollies and can keep money (if they don't steal as usual) in the country. Their heads are already so screwed up they don't need anything more for that. Why else do you think our country is in such a pickle? These 'politicians' are the hippies of the 60's and their still draining what's left of their brain. People don't need pot or any illegal substance.

Dennis G (12)
Sunday August 1, 2010, 10:16 am
when in the name of god are conservative, closed-minded, misinformed, lying freaks going to stop running this country? when is common sense going to prevail? marijuana is not a "drug." it is a plant that has drug- like qualities that are clearly useful to some sick people and less of a danger to society than cigarettes and alcohol, which kill 100,000 people a year between them. grow up, america. for those "praying" they don't legalize it, get an education and get your heads out of your butts. marijuana was demonized early in the 20th century by the same crowd who always try to shove their version of "morality" down others' throats and i for one, am sick of it. legalize it. now.

Glenda J (158)
Sunday August 1, 2010, 10:33 am
Thanks Pastor Tim this is an Eye Opener for sure, being the only initiative I have every voted for in my life was back in the sixties signing the legalization of Marijuana, otherwise I have never signed any other ballot for Political reasons. We all know what's happening here with the Drugs being in the trillions of dollars and if they continue to keep showing us that their burning the Pot that's seized we know it's a buffered snerio..Once they collect their findings they pack it up for re-sell it's an on-going habit of what the powers of law can do to ones psyche.LOL

Glenda J (158)
Sunday August 1, 2010, 10:42 am
They can legalize Liquor for the Martini and flamboyant hoo-haas regardless after leaving the Yacht they kill innocent people and get away with that picture. - but try and get them to legalize Pot is just another way for the system to trash our tax dollar into their pockets. Until we all understand this world is for lessons and when we all go back home that's where our life begins in reality, without fighting our existence in color-greed-taxes..ETC.
What we have here is a controlled substance it's POLITICIANS..Do away with them and we may find a little bit of peace before we go to the otherside.

Marjolein soederhuizen (284)
Sunday August 1, 2010, 10:46 am
Stop alcohol, u are able to drive a car and kill ppl, when u are drunk, this is not possible while smoking pot, or hash, when it grew naturely, there is a chance the pot has been manupulated, then it is A OTHER STORY, I SMOKE 40 YEARS HASH, STILL SANE AND SHARPMINDED, STILL NOT POOR OR CRAZY, its a soft drug, it made me feel ok with all i try to do, makes me come more to myself, it inspired me to stay a hippie, soft and sweet thinking, it sharpens ur senses, if u cannot handle that, dont smoke pot, how can ppl judge when they did not try it themselves???, i tried alcohol, did not like it, i tried lsd, without speed and i liked it, but it would not have the same input if u use it twice, so ony one time, i never touched any heroin or cokerelated drug, as i cannot handle the speed in it, i just want to feel good, not be another person or no controle, when u are creatif and love to make/do things urself its a wonderfull drug to use, within limits, i did not use it when i was pregnand, or when my children were aroun d, till they were 16 years of age and yes one off my sons smokes weed, tghe other one does not he smokes sigarets only, does not drink actually none off my sons drink alcohol, only when they are at a party, so not every week, or month..............i dont say alcohol is bad, but it is rediculous its allowed, while pot is not, i never saw a agressif potsmoker and many crazy, dangerous, agressif alocholdrinkers, now why would this alcohol be allowed u think???!!!

Michela M (3964)
Sunday August 1, 2010, 10:47 am
noted!!! Thanks!! Ciao!! Michela

Tim Redfern (581)
Sunday August 1, 2010, 11:19 am
The reference from the Kaiser Foundation,
regarding pot not being fatal strikes me as
splitting semantic hairs.
It should be obvious to anyone that when
we talk about marijuana being fatal we are
talking about a fatal overdose.
The lethal ratio of alcohol is 10:1, meaning that if 2 drinks
get you drunk, 20 will kill you.
The lethal ratio of marijuana is only an estimate,
but it is estimated to be 40,000:1. It is also estimated
that an individual would need to smoke 5 pounds in
15 minutes to fatally oversode.
This would be humanly impossible.
Considering some of the other drugs out there available
to our young people (and not so young), marijuana is a remarkably
safe recreational drug to use, if that's where people's heads are at.
But again, I want to re-direct society's mindset to think of marijuana
primarilly as medicine, to explore the hundreds of things that can be
done with it to aid human health, and alleviate human suffering.

Jessica Lopes (19)
Sunday August 1, 2010, 11:27 am
thank you for the post

Cary Mostly-Away (94)
Sunday August 1, 2010, 11:30 am
Washington is the biggest dope dealer in America.

There's big business in arms, oil and drugs. Very big business.
A gas tank size amount of Afghan opium is worth a million dollars on the street sold by the gram
compared to $100.00 worth of gasoline for the same amount.
Why not get both while your there because your there on illegal means anyway.

One of the "sectors" of the drug business that's been on an upward spiral ever since the beginning of the BushBama administration is heroin.

True to form, after the Obama part of the BushBama administration moved into the White House the growth has continued unabated.

By coincidence - and I'm sure it's a total coincidence - the center for the worldwide heroin production is Afghanistan.

Just a coincidence.

Like when Southeast Asia was the center of opium production during the Vietnam War.
and they are the ones telling us we can't even posses weed. What hypocrites......

Banks, drugs and US-sponsored terrorism

Tim Redfern (581)
Sunday August 1, 2010, 11:30 am
Big kudos to my friend Echo for a great comment.
Phillip Morris and Monsanto taking over commercial
pot cultivation and sales in this country makes my blood run cold.
I would like to think there will still be dispensaries that will sell their
own product(s) from what they grow themselves, and that Phillip
Morris and R.J.Reynolds won't be the only game in town.

BTW, my dear Kathy C.:
That's the first time I've ever seen an Indiana woman
say "I hate hoops!"........:-)

Cary Mostly-Away (94)
Sunday August 1, 2010, 11:46 am
Thats right Tim,
they are trying to patent or take over " nature", so it's ok if there is money in it for them.

nature is nature, it should NOT be taxed- it should be between my carrots and my tomato plants
in my garden if I decide I want it there. To much government interference in our lives.
keep the plants and get rid of politicians. Hurry up November.

Chris V (264)
Sunday August 1, 2010, 12:03 pm
"It should be obvious to anyone that when
we talk about marijuana being fatal we are
talking about a fatal overdose. " I respect your thoughts Pastor Tim, although I feel differently.
I believe that Kaiser was speaking in terms of pot related accidents, as being said:
"The Kaiser study also found that daily pot users have a 30% higher risk of injuries, presumably from accidents.", " Pot smokers should be aware that accidents are the number one hazard of MODERATE POT USE. In addition, of course, the psychoactive effects of cannabis can have many other adverse effects on performance, school work, and productivity."
The fact is whether natural or not, marijauna is a mind altering drug. Yes, I do believe it shouldn't be illegal by any standards, and I believe pot can be used for medicinal purposes for people in physical pain. What would people think about injecting it or taking the drug in pill form? I do personally know the affects and have been with, seen too many people who have driven/worked not so effectively under the influence. I had to fire an employee for coming to work stoned and injured a child because of it.

Past Member (0)
Sunday August 1, 2010, 12:50 pm
it has many good uses in the medical field,it needs to become legal in all states.

Sunday August 1, 2010, 1:19 pm
Chris, I think another problem with the criminalization of pot is that those who process and market the final product can do anything they want to it. As a result the final product is very diluted to enhance profit. I have even heard of illegal producers adding angel dust to marijuana. When the marijuana is illegal, there is no regulations attached to it.

If marijuana is made legal, there will at least be some kind of regulations attached to the drug the insures a level of safety, and proof that the product is what it claims to be. Left in the shadows, someone can sell you poison and get away with it.

I think the government, by allowed marijuana to be illegal, is playing Russian roulette with peoples lives. The government allows none poisons, tobacco and alcohol to be sold, but don' t allow pot to be sold, and as a result the pot is made harmful by unscrupulos profiteers.

David R (45)
Sunday August 1, 2010, 1:22 pm
noted, thanks

C. G (1)
Sunday August 1, 2010, 1:23 pm
i m in awful pain... neurontin is a poison to me... but it helps ease the hot pain...marijuana should be legalized for muscle spasms and other medical reason...

Becky pennington (4)
Sunday August 1, 2010, 1:32 pm
I think it should be legal . I know a few people who have cancer and it would really help them . I have a dear friend who won't eat because of the treatments , but her daughter helps by putting pot in her coffee. So yes I am all for legalizing pot .

Linus Schonnings (15)
Sunday August 1, 2010, 1:34 pm
I hope they dont

Julie I (51)
Sunday August 1, 2010, 3:05 pm
Just legalize it already. There are far too many lies about marijuana.

Penelope P (222)
Sunday August 1, 2010, 3:06 pm
When a student I made some cash as a guinea pig assosciated with THC experiments that the University of Sydney was running. They discovered that you had to add alcohil to pot to make pot into a driving hazard-

Alcohol as we all know can do that all alone .Pot is safer than alcohol in that respect anyway. There were also some other trails which were designed to prove pot lethal but couldn't.

There could be some gains in legalising pot
1 The credibility level of authority would be raised- at present people finding pot harmless have a sort of rite of passage to more destructive drugs like heroin as they think the information on the other stuff is also inaccurate.
2Could make things more peaceful and happy around the area- Pot is noted for that
3 Could bring the price of Pot down
4 Could save the government money as they would not have to pay to arrest and incarcerate people using pot
5 Could release police to arrest people for other more interesting crimes than pot smoking,growing,smiuggling or selling
6 Could make pot purer as there would be less incentive to lace it if it was a cheap or even grow your own commodity
7 It could cure some people of smokingcigarettes and bring the cancer level down
8 It might slow down the incidence of stress related problems like heart attacks and Diabetes etc
9 It could make a number of inevitable and unpleasant deaths more pleasant


Tim Redfern (581)
Sunday August 1, 2010, 4:23 pm
Chris, WWJD?
He would make sure that the creation of His hands,
one He created to make sure His childen are healthy
and happy, was legally available to them.
I agree with your last comment, Chris.
Pot-related accidents would be something to look at,
side-by-side with alcohol-related accidents, but should
never be a reason to keep marijuana criminalized, not even to the
point of issuing a ticket and levying a fine for possession.
Also, Chris, yes,
there are numerous means of ingestion for people who are unable
to smoke. Pills are available, so-called "edibles" are made, tinctures
of marijuana are made to be diluted and drank. Vaporiser machines
convert the medicinal and pschycoactive elements of marijuana
into a vapor that is inhaled without the tar and smoke.
There are numerous ways to medicinally-ingest marijuana to get
the same (sometimes better) results as if it were smoked.

Past Member (0)
Sunday August 1, 2010, 4:32 pm
II'm glad for California, I hope Illinois follows suit. The 1st benefit of legalizing it is that this will deciminalized it, it's black market value would sink, same thing that happenned when beer was legalized. There are worse things than mariguana out there rigth now that are lega, like beer, tequila, cigarrettes, off shore drilling oil wells, 2 senseless wars in the east , crooked cops judges,pliticos. If tey do legalized it, I could use a complimentary 10 lbs. bag 9 for medical purposes, of course ).

Past Member (0)
Sunday August 1, 2010, 8:30 pm
Noted. Can you imagine how many jobs you could create?

Jessie H (75)
Sunday August 1, 2010, 8:58 pm
I agree with Nick. Noted, thanks.

Past Member (0)
Sunday August 1, 2010, 9:43 pm

The first Christians smoked it, the Coptics.
Catholics are a 'cult', a splinter group, that split from the Coptic Church. Historians will back me up on this.
Users are beaten, jailed and extorted by our government every day.
2.5 million in prison on drug charges.
The stereo-type 'pot smoker' has become like the 'N' word, a term used to discredit sane and sensible people. Abusing pot smokers is socially acceptable because prejudice needs a victim. Smokers just want equality to social drinkers. It is not like they are asking officials to admit their physical and mental abuse of American ciizens in public. I think they should be made to stand in front of the courthouse and admit (televised) the things they have done to otherwise perfectly good citizens.
This is what they do: Police Abuse
Check this out: Law Enforcement Against Prohibition

Sunday August 1, 2010, 10:23 pm
John, I hear the banks are very involved in laundrying money for the drug trade and are themselves heavily involved in the financing of drugs. Could this be a good reason why it has taken so long to legalize drugs?

gail dair (0)
Monday August 2, 2010, 1:30 am
noted thanks

patricia lasek (317)
Monday August 2, 2010, 8:48 am

I'm really sorry I can't get the radio button to work but copy and paste this site into your browser. It gives you the history of marijuana and exactly WHY it is illegal. This is the reason the Feds waste approximately $17 billion on their stupid "War on Drugs" each and every year.

Legalize it. You nay-sayers, read up on this one before you really make up your minds on the subject.

Thank you Pastor Tim for posting this. I hope you and your wife are both feeling okay. I pray for you. May God Blees you every day and give you a long and healthy life!


patricia lasek (317)
Monday August 2, 2010, 8:49 am
Bless you ALL!

Brenda H (29)
Monday August 2, 2010, 11:07 am
Thank you my forever Southern Friend! Hopefully Cali. will get it passed and then maybe it will be easier for ALL the other states to do the same. I was a prison guard for several years and people wouldn't believe how many inmates were there because of MJ!! Making MJ legal will save the tax payers millions of $$$$$$$ every year and stop the spending of millions of $$$$$$$$$ to bust people that use it. If they need to make a drug illegal--BAN ALOCHOL!!! NO ONE DIES FROM SMOKING A JOINT--THOUSANDS DIE IN ALCOHOL RELATED INSTANCES.

Mary D (64)
Monday August 2, 2010, 11:37 am
Patricia - Thank you SO MUCH for recommending that article. It revealed a lot of plain facts about marijuana and the history of its use in the US. I hope that all you out there who don't want it legalized read this article. You might be a big indignant about how we've all been deceived about it all. The article may be a bit biased, but I don't think so. It seems pretty straightforward to me.

I've always been for legalizing pot, even though I don't use it myself. I once ate an Alice B. Toklas brownie and didn't come down for 36 hours! That was enough. I don't like not being in control of myself, so I never tried it again. And Brenda, you're right. No one dies from smoking a joint - or eating an Alice B. Toklas brownie But you can get cirrhosis of the liver from drinking too much and people can die from that.. (Except for an occasional glass of white wine, I don't drink, either. I hate the taste of most alcoholic drinks.)

Open your eyes, you nay-sayers. No one is saying that legalizing means that you MUST use it. SVUscan be dangerous, too, but in the hands of a skilled driver the danger is minimal. I prefer little cars - but they have their drawbacks, too. What if a little Mitsubishi like mine got caught between an SVU and a semi?

As the old cliche goes, marijuana itself does no harm. It's only the abusers who harm themselves. Thanks again, Patricia and Brenda.


patricia lasek (317)
Monday August 2, 2010, 12:02 pm
Mary D., you are so right! Just because it's legal, it doesn't mean you have to use it! Anything can be used to excess and therein lies the harm. Thanks for spelling it out.
And again I urge everyone to actually read this:

It will open your eyes as to how it became illegal in the first place.

Tim Redfern (581)
Monday August 2, 2010, 12:18 pm
You cannot currently send a star to Brenda because you have done so within the last week.

Thank YOU, my forever Southern-friend.
It's wonderful to see you back, Brenda!

Many thanks to Mary and patricia
for great comments and a new way of looking at this. :-)

Ryan Rayenz (0)
Tuesday August 3, 2010, 2:52 am
California already is the head of the capital pot. With millions here illegally to take refuge, reward them not by legalizing pot? They go to Mexico for their jollies and keep the money (if they do not steal as usual) in the country can not. Their heads are already so bad that they do not need anything more. And why you think that our country is in such a pickle? These 'leaders and their hippy 60's still are draining what is left of his brain. People do not need pot or any illegal substance.

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Alison Baker (25)
Tuesday August 3, 2010, 10:21 am
Legalize & tax. Same thing with online gambling. Both are in practice regardless.

Tom C Sullivan (98)
Wednesday August 4, 2010, 12:19 pm
Yes make it Legal.

patrica and edw jones (190)
Thursday August 5, 2010, 2:22 am
Oh no - do not legitimise it. Too many pot heads that don't know what they are doing as it is. Something is very wrong here - the fact that people need this sh.. to make them function is incredible.
I would agree to it for people in chronic pain however. I do know terminally ill people with cancer are given Heroin in the UK.....but that is a different scenario entirely.

Mima M (244)
Thursday August 5, 2010, 1:01 pm
Thanks! Noted.

Jacqueline S Wolf Heart (74)
Thursday August 5, 2010, 6:02 pm
Thank you Pastor noted/and passed to friends.

Past Member (0)
Monday August 9, 2010, 3:48 am
Thank you Pastor noted

Phyllis P (232)
Tuesday August 10, 2010, 5:13 pm
With you 1000% David Gould!!!

Mandi T (367)
Tuesday August 10, 2010, 10:21 pm
I've worked with people in chemo pain, MJ was not even offered, a sin in my opinion. It's a well know fact, given in non-restricted amounts it is worth consideration.
Seeing people die from alchol poisening, and chemo, isn't pleasant. I have not seen an overdose death from MJ.
For the reasons above, I hope, and think the time is NOW! to pass this.
Thank you Tim x
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