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RC
- 4227 days ago - care2.com
My rant on the lack of activism at Care2. Go ahead, shoot me for saying it oud loud.



   

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RC deWinter (418)
Friday August 24, 2007, 2:25 pm
What can we do to increase participation? Do these topics not resonate with the majority? I find that hard to believe.
 

Sheila K (127)
Friday August 24, 2007, 2:41 pm
I shared this with many on this site...well, the few I felt would understand and who I considered interested in what I had to say....I had to take time off from this site other than to send the inspirational messages and to put a "comment" on a page. I am still not fully back to feeling like I was when I started on here almost 2 months ago...I think there is so much ignorance and misunderstanding of the REAL facts in this country..I will get alot of flack for this statement, but sometimes I feel there are those on here who care more about the animals then the people in the world and this country. I don't know what to do anymore...I'm just burnt out...
 

Sheila K (127)
Friday August 24, 2007, 2:43 pm
I don't know IF these topics DO "resonate with the majority" I think what I wrote above is probably more accurate. I read someone's page the other day saying they were leaving this site because of all kinds of reasons. I am just disilluisioned maybe????
 

RC deWinter (418)
Friday August 24, 2007, 2:45 pm
I care about animals deeply, and sign all petitions for them and note most stories too...but what about our fellow brothers and sisters in the world? What about all the human injustice and suffering in the world? What about America, which is being gutted day by day by a fascist government that is only interested in advancing its colonial-business empire? I am at a loss...
 

Tim Redfern (581)
Friday August 24, 2007, 2:46 pm
No one's going to shoot you, Cate!
I've been a C2 member only since June 19th, 2007. But in that time, I've met close to 200 people from all over the world. Care2 is a wonderful place, and I honestly thank God that He's brought me here. It's through Care2 that I've met the love of my life, Susan. That alone is reason enough for me to be a loyal supporter of this site. But even apart from that, this site is a rare opportunity to take this extra time I have on my hands and put it to good, constructive use. I am disabled and almost house-bound, but C2 gives me the chance to "get out" and DO! If I have to have all this free time, it's wonderful to be able to put it to positive use.
Cate, the people who join here and don't avail themselves of the opportunity to make positive change are the real losers. It's their loss if they choose not to use this rare and wonderful gift that is Care2.
noted.
 

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Friday August 24, 2007, 2:47 pm

Cate, I understand your disgust. Recently, with a petition of my own and another I'm helping to promote, I got some excellent advice; and I think it helped. Anyone can sign the petitions, so I posted blogs at MySpace and Google as well, with links to the PetitionSite.

Frankly, I think the 7 million member figure is a distortion. As you suggested, 7 million people do not actively use this site. I would also guess that a large number of those "members" are people who are actually members of huge national/international groups (like Amnesty Int'l and AFL-CIO) who use this site to link to those groups, but don't actually use the rest of the services here.

I feel for you, my friend. There have been numerous times I just wanted to scream when I couldn't understand the non-reactions to something I was sure would be of importance.

 

Margaret B (164)
Friday August 24, 2007, 2:47 pm
So do I Cate, also find it very frustrating that I have to try several times to note a sotry because the frist three attempts fail and maybe others just do not persist. I resent the fact that it tells you how many petitions you have signed but say you have passed none on, does not take into effect athat we use NM to pass on petitions. Too much cosmetic stuff and not enough pratical things are being done to make care2 more user friendly.
 

Blacktiger P (247)
Friday August 24, 2007, 2:49 pm
I just don't know! Messages I sent privatly to Nevada to a Canadian friend down there visiting has given me not one piece of feed back. I really don't think they even read it. The people that walked by the protest waved off protesters trying to hand out info sheets in Vancouver BC Canada. Truthfully I'm at a loss. The Montebello police planted undercover cops at the protest outside the SPP meeting at which our PM said nothing was happening!!!! Protester only about a 100 or so he said, nothing to be concerned about. Go figure! Did he already know about the "planted undercover cops???" Apathy? Ignorance?
 

Violette Ruffley (92)
Friday August 24, 2007, 2:53 pm
I wonder how many people are overwhelmed and consequently in denial. How do you know you are in denial if you are in denial? Is it easier to deal with animal cruely than human cruelty? Please do not give up, hold your brothers and sisters in the light and ask that they be given greater insight into the dysfunction of a segment of society. To give you some hope the spread of love and spiritualtiy is expanding exponentially. Howeve,r is is the sensational that gets the attention. Blessings to you all dear hearts.
 

Margaret B (164)
Friday August 24, 2007, 2:59 pm
Also have to agree with Tim, if it were not for care2 there are many wonderful friends I would not have meant as I am also disabled and practically home bound. I sign all petitions that I believe in be it for animals or humans. Neither do I believe that there are 7 million members here as not even a million are active, care2 is a springboard for PETA and like organizations to get things signed and put into the public view. Also it seems like the world is getting angrier and angrier against all living creatures and sometimes my tears get in the way of reading things through.
 

Nancy M (62)
Friday August 24, 2007, 3:02 pm
It may be fair to say that some people are just so busy in their lives that their intentions are good but not delivery.I know there are some petitions that I stay away from because I don't think I'm doing them any justice.We may be underestimating just what a great place this is. People who don't relate or think so will weed themselves out eventually.Just think of the work one little old lady did in Calcutta. It's not always about the numbers. I think you have to just keep plodding away one step at a time.
 

Kari D (192)
Friday August 24, 2007, 3:13 pm
I couldn't agree more with Cate & Margret. I too am disabled & sign the petitions for both Humane & Animals, but I've been getting a couple of e-mails from the group that don't like it that I forward whatever has been sent to me. I've lost a few off my Friends list. Some of them are down rigt Gut wretching!
 

Bradley Harris (155)
Friday August 24, 2007, 3:15 pm
America wake up, our apathy willl bring us to our knees. We must stand up and speak loudly for what we believe.
Peace and Grace
 

Margaret Trainor (61)
Friday August 24, 2007, 3:23 pm
Wow Cate...good
I was feeling somewhat discouraged just last week. When I commented on articles or petitions contrary to what the person that posted them was feeling I was blocked from the discussions. So ends the discussion. There fore only posts that agree with the opinions of the poster are allowed. not cool at all.
 

Dee G (199)
Friday August 24, 2007, 3:28 pm
I also have to agree with Tim, that the friendships I have made here are very special. As to the petitions, I really read them, and not just sign them. And the ongoing ones to me are of no use. Who do they go to? Are the people or organizations that are meant to see them, actually get them? I do sign some, but I take the information and write a letter or e-mail them directly.

This is just MY opinion... Mine alone.

I do note a lot of stories that I believe in also.....With not much time for the computer, I have to pick and choose my battles as well as my causes.. My friendships are very important.
 

M F (68)
Friday August 24, 2007, 3:29 pm
I;M SORRY CATE, BUT DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY PETITIONS TO SIGN I GET IN MY MAIL? I CANNOT POSSIBLY READ THEM ALL, SIGN, NOTE, ETC. I TRY TO TAKE AT LEAST ONE FROM EACH PERSON.. TONIGHT I HAD 30 EMAILS TO SIGN PETITIONS....HOW CAN I DO IT ALL. I DO NOT SPEND HOURS UPON HOURS ON THIS COMPUTOR...EVERY PETITION IS IMPORTANT TO THE PEOPLE WHO FORWARD THEM TO ME, BUT I AM GETTING PETITIONS FROM PEOPLE I DON''T EVEN KNOW BUT TO TO THEM AND READ, NOTE, SIGN, ETC. DON'T GIVE UP...I TRY TO GET TO THE HUMAN ONES WHICH I PREFER, BUT GET SO MANY FROM OUR ANIMAL LOVING FRIENDS AND THOSE STORIES ARE JUST AS HORRIBLE... I AM SORRY IF I DISAPOINT YOU, BUT I TRY TO GET SOME OF THEM SIGNED...PLEASE FORGIVE ME AND DON'T GIVE UP.
 

James S (25)
Friday August 24, 2007, 3:30 pm

People have to know about a cause before they can participate...


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This US Voter Ballot Law could put critical legislation, like declaring war or impeachment, to a nationwide vote, and not in the hands of your sold-out reps. The Patriot Act, for instance, is legislation typical of what could be decided by a national voter referendum.

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Mara G (411)
Friday August 24, 2007, 3:32 pm
Great statement Tim. I too think that people that aren't taking advantage of this site to benefit others, whether human or animal, are loosing the great feeling that I get when a "victory" comes in. 37 just this year, some big and some small, but all of them gave me a great feeling and a tear of happiness in a sad world. Also, some people overlook the fact of what a great learning center Care2 is and how we are connecting to the world in ways we never have before. I've learned SO much from the people I've met, friends that I've made, and about the world. Doing worldwide work for many years of my life, I've learned more from the knowledge base of this site than in any other place in my career. Even though sometimes we don't get the responses or activity that would make a bigger difference if we did, people here are growing, learning, and changing in a positive way, which is extremely important to our future. The young people on this site are learning what some of did years ago and that is the importance of being "involved". This is simply a fantastic site for the truth and connecting to people around the world. I can't imagine how great it will be if it continues to grow at the same rate, 20 years from now. This is the new "News", communication, activity and advocacy of the future and its at its infancy. We are a part of the new way, and I'm glad to be at the founding of it. I too have been extremely frustrated at the lack of response to "very serious" events. We just have to keep learning better ways to get our message and point across. I think that will happen and I have a vision of optimism.
 

Ratty Ratman (160)
Friday August 24, 2007, 3:32 pm
I'm right there with you Cate, I sent out an email basically saying the same type stuff a few days back. I don't understand it either, and the emails I got back from a few people are basically saying the same type thing. One thing that maybe the people that only focus on animals need to understand is if we do not turn the direction of this country in a different direction ALL life on the planet will suffer and die. It doesn't do much good to save a cat and let Bush start a war with Iran and millions of people and cats and birds and trees die from nukes and fallout.

I was at a DOE (Department of Energy) about the Piketon Ohio nuclear waste facility and there were only 58 that showed up, and on top of that when the DOE guy tried to ignore my question on DU (Depleted Uranium) NOT ONE of the other people there helped me push him for an answer.

I send out links and see from site counters a lot of the people that get and even forward the links don't even go there, and the same with petitions.

Now obviously I know there are lots working their butts off, but I wonder if a lot of it is people thinking that if they forward, they have already done their "job" and they don't have to do the actual signing or showing up at a march or the phone calls or emails or donations or whatever else they might be capable of.

I know some people are strapped for time or can't physically get out or donate or whatever, but the raw numbers of signers/donators/protesters/whatever is not nearly what it should be.

Don't give up Cate, we all need to just keep pushing and try to figure out how to get everyone active.

If everyone did what they could, things would get better.
 

Chris Otahal (507)
Friday August 24, 2007, 3:36 pm
I would agree with Tim too. I too have made many friends on Care2 - and have accomplished great things. Why do you folks "beat" up on Care2?? It's a FREE service, so stop complaining!!! If you were paying for it then you might have a case. I don't have any unreasonable expectations that thouands of folks will flock to my particular causes - but I do have a very firm group of close friends which will take action together. If you don't like the site - why stay???
 

Mara G (411)
Friday August 24, 2007, 3:42 pm
I agree with you both. There's one thing that I figured out a few years ago [only one?] and that is "voice" for the voiceless. How do we create more "voices" for those who can't speak for themselves? Well, animals don't have voices, but humans do...so, if we save humans, then we have more voices to save animals, and it doesn't work the other way around. Also, humans that have been in suffering tend to understand suffering better having felt it themselves, so they are much more likely to understand the suffering of animals, so you have more passionate voices. For every human "voice" we save, the more voices we have to save other life in suffering. Make sense?
 

Michele R (53)
Friday August 24, 2007, 3:44 pm
I can definitely understand your frustration. I am unable to spend as much time as I would like reading through all of the articles, comments and petitions. Because I am a school teacher, I do not have the ability to check on Care2 during the day & by the time I get home and finish with my school work, tending to my critters and getting my "chores" done, I have only a small bit of time left. Weekends are somewhat more flexible. Sometimes I wonder how people are able to find so much time to dedicate to these causes. I'm in awe of their efforts and determination & am grateful for them!

I'm not going to allow myself to feel guilty though for the difference between what I want to do and what I am currently able to do. Contributing even a small amount is still better than contributing nothing at all. All I can do is do what I can.
 

Jennie B (14)
Friday August 24, 2007, 3:52 pm
I'm sorry you are having that experience., Kari. There are some newer people on Care2 that think EVERYONE should use only the Petition Sites and that is fine if some people want to do that. I choose to do both, use petition sites and forward because there are others who prefer using the TIME TESTED CARE 2 way of forwarding petitions to get them to as many people as possible. There is no right or wrong way and I am sad to see a judgmental air set in on Care2 as if people have to do things one way-no, we have choices. If you don't want to forward petitions, delete them, but don't write people and insult the way they do things. It is very hurtful when they are only trying to help. Everyone does things their own way on Care2 and no one controls anyone else and that's worked the whole time I've been here. I'm open to change but I'm not open to insults and e-mail from people who think there is only one way to do things when there isn't. Everyone relax and enjoy Care2 while you make a difference as is the intent of this site. There is apathy on this site -so many people missing in action but then there are so many who do as much as they possibly can to make a difference and to people who are dis-abled and can't leave home, this IS the way they make a difference! That's huge-10 years ago it wasn't possible. And now it is...I know that people have different interests; I happen to be a person who is interested in people and animals -I try to do it ALL which isn't possible either. Living at this time in the U.S. when there are so many serious threats and they are in our own government I do think EVERYONE in the U.S. as a citizen has a responsibility to be aware and involved - this is our country and we are in trouble...and it's up to the People to do something about it. It's that simple. Apathy or denial won't work. Neither will having a single interest and not paying attention to what's happening in our government. We all need to be aware because neither people nor animals are safe here anymore and there are good reasons why. We need to make changes. I think we all know there is too much apathy but it is none of us writing here. Perhaps we need to encourage others to join in and be a REAL part of Care2. I often wonder where the 7 million are...I just don't see them! Peace & light. Noted
 

Carolyn T (234)
Friday August 24, 2007, 3:54 pm
I see all familiar faces here right now. There is a nucleus of people who work until they are ready to drop, who cannot sleep through the night, who have had to excuse themselves from groups--some for a matter of hours, others for days, some for good--because the barrage of pain and horror and, yes, disbelief at apathy and naive comments--threaten their physical and emotional health. I've felt it as recently as last night and had to go light a candle for myself. I felt I was coming apart and about to lose my higher self to anger bordering on hate, frustration and irritation and disbelief leading to a general distrust. That is not who I am.
Also like the posts before me I have met people who I think are earthly angels. Wonderful, supportive people who have moved into my life and I into theirs and all in a matter of months. I absent myself a few hours to reconnect with my spirituality. I re-read comments on my page, look at my friends and review successes we have had and that I KNOW we helped bring about positive change. It is the only way I can go forward. I do
think that Agnes commented in tortured belief shortly before she become so ill that "on a site that gets an average of 10,000 clicks per day...." she could not get the number of signatures she needed on an initiative crucial to her advocacy. I hope I extracted that from my memory correctly. That's the nucleus here out of the huge membership number. Not everyone who comes here arrives with the intention of doing anything more than sending an ecard or meeting/dating until they stumble into this part of C2.

Take whatever time you need every day to take care of yourselves so that you can return to the fray...so that it does not burn you out. We have all said it here. I am so relieved to be having this conversation with you as I sometimes felt I was losing my mind as my body responded to the stress with even higher BP readings, uncontrolled blood sugars responding to stress, and more. Yet, I do not want to be anywhere else and doing anything less. Thanks for listening...for being who you are...for seeing the human frality and deciding to lift these people up so they might fly with you. Some people fear the dark and forgive them that; others fear the light and we must forgive and understand that also. I submit to you that bloodied and beaten as we may get, we are exactly where we are meant to be.

God Bless Each of You. God Bless America.
 

Past Member (0)
Friday August 24, 2007, 4:06 pm
Cate, I am in total agreement. Yesterday I posted news, some political, some animal, yet my news on #1-the little boy doused with gas and set on fire, NOTES 22 #2-Republican Senator Urges Bush to Start Iraq Exit By Christmas,NOTES 26 #3-Fighting Dogs Face Grim Future, NOTES 33<
So I agree, If we are to make a change in this country, We need to stop and pay attention on whats going on around us. I absolutely love animals and so much is being done to help them here, but Care2 needs to focus more on our Nation. If the 7M members don't, We may not have a Nation much longer!!!!!
I will post this under your News. You figured out something none of us thought of, Something of importance. I salute you, Cate....
 

Yvonne White (229)
Friday August 24, 2007, 4:08 pm
I've already signed. But it took me over a year to figure out how to use Care2, compared to other sites which are more user friendly!;) So some may just not know how to use their message system, others may just not want to be on any list!
 

Mara G (411)
Friday August 24, 2007, 4:12 pm
Well....this has been the most understanding and supportive thread that I've had the pleasure to read in months....if now ever. Ya can't beet this Cate. Just look at all the great supportive friends you have in only this thread, not even counting countless others who didn't/couldn't make it here. Thank you all for your comments!! Like I said, Care2 is a fantastic place, and this thread proves it.
 

Blacktiger P (247)
Friday August 24, 2007, 4:13 pm
Hi Carolyn T., I agree with you and others about the core nucleus of care2 being here through the thick of it and wonder just how many "lurkers" are hiding in the weeds and just do not contribute or even work against us by sending information to thwart our efforts. With all that is happening around the world 7&1/2 million people SHOULD be able to make a difference. Just a thought!
 

Ken S (38)
Friday August 24, 2007, 4:17 pm
Hi Cate & other thinking caring members, as a member from another country and not having a vote in your country, our signatures can only be of moral support. When I read the articles and petitions, it gives me heart that the grass roots in your country, who really love your fellow man,and the beauty and wonder of our planet and its fauna and flora, and as citizens of the world, pull 100 times your weight in the difficult issues.I send you love from the bottom of my heart and admiration for the mighty job you do...understand that many of those on this site need encouraging, educating to appreciate what we have, and the realities of the fact that things can and are getting worse...Those smiling faces in the media are more interested in the next truckload of cash that is going into a dodgy bank account. It is incredible how the media has been castrated by owners and other dubious interests so that the criminal elements can run roughshod over the rights, freedom and the economy of your country, and others as well.This can be further proved by the fact that these criminal elements are trying to work out a way to nobble the internet.....ALL IN THE NAME OF SECURITY...yes if the truth be known, it would be the same people responsible for 7/11.... Cate and all you other good people, understand.....conspiracy theories are not fashionable.....conspiracy theories require a serious look and analysis of what is happening....and an enquiring mind.....and they watch the smiling criminal elements, and believe them....because it is convenient and easy.You better believe that when they loose what they have...then they will listen....then it's too late....As a side issue, by watching reports, your country is in a very unstable state....major business loosing money, or closing, stockmarket gone crazy, significant job losses, money system in the pitts....your fellow countrymen have many issues on thier doorstep right now...if you have no income , you have to sort that issue right now.As I see it, these issues you are highlighting are,in some cases, are secondary to the issues inside their front gate.....of couse their are a significant number who are like sheep for the slaughter....when in the forces, they are considered by the military and government, as connon fodder....the unthinking, unknowing, and not even interested...the bleating sheep.If you have ever worked with sheep, you would know, unless you have a good sheep dog, they are so frustrating to work with....same here, and thier "sheep dogs" are doing a very good job of steering everything and everyone towards the shearing sheds....if they only knew...it is a modern form of slavery by another name.....and they walk away with the golden fleeces....I have strayed off the track.......
What can I say Cate....unless we can harness the thoughts and minds of the care2 people we are not able to achieve objectives that you are passionate about...You may have to employ different stragesies..... discuss issues longer......everyone direct email...and ask for comments....educate...ask what is it they don't understand....why....it may be that each time a petetion is put up for signing, that it is discussed by an "inner group", assemble the information, then work out the specific data, issues etc, then go for it...Remember, that those that we are protesting against, have acess to multimillion dollar bank accounts,or yor tax dollars, and an unlimited amount of media ......you cannot expect that we can continue to operate as we have in the past......we are being done like a dinner......WE NEED TO OPERATE ON PPPPP....prior planning prevents poor performance....it's an oldy, but a goodie....I hope you are able to get something out of my ravings....Please understand...I am not criticising you Cate , or anyone else, I can read the sheer frustration in your words....it's work smarter not harder...we need to upgrade or methods to be more effective and efficient....after all, the methods being employed by those who we are protesting is working extremely well...aren't they??? I leave you all to consider my thoughts...I send you bucketloads of encouragement and love.....Ken
 

RC deWinter (418)
Friday August 24, 2007, 4:32 pm
I, too have made many priceless friends here at Care2...i would not denigrate this aspect of Care2 in any way. Nor will I abandon Care2, even though I will never post another petition. I have, unlike many of you, been here a long time...since Mar 9, 1999. I have the changes in Care2 over the years, and am disappointed in them. Yes, it was always a place to make friends, but it seems to me that the activist thrust has been downplayed significantly as the site has "matured" (I use that term ironically). Yes, let's give thanks for the opportunity to meet so many great people from all corners of the globe, but let's also not forget the thing that once made Care2 very different from other sites: Thed commitment to bettering the world.
 

Past Member (0)
Friday August 24, 2007, 4:45 pm
Could it be alot of people are away for the summer, Cate? People just don't sign petitions much anymore...they consider it spam, and go out of thier way to get nasty about it. My last experience was with the "Save The Florida Panther" petition. I sent it to friends... then to friends of friends. I sent INDIVIDUALLY over 25,000 petitions (still sending)...for a measley 1000 signatures. SAD.
 

Past Member (0)
Friday August 24, 2007, 4:51 pm
And as far as taking part in "people" issues...I never will again on Care2. I was told to go plant a tree or visit a cat, and this country can go to hell in a hand basket..(it already has) I'll be at my local animal shelter giving clean water to a homeless cat.
 

Tim Redfern (581)
Friday August 24, 2007, 5:10 pm
I have to agree with Ron. Cate, my dear, this is a beautiful thing you've started here. By God, we're seeing the TRUE believers out tonight!, and I want to say, I love you ALL very, very much!, even those of you I've not met. I'm reminded of the Margaret Sanger quote about a small group of dedicated people being the only agent of change in the world. If you ask me, we dont need this dubious crowd of 7 million to make change. The level of dedication that individuals possess can make up for vast numbers. You folks are BEAUTIFUL!, and may God richly bless each of you!
 

Elle J (276)
Friday August 24, 2007, 5:10 pm
I agree with you Cate, there is way too much apathy in our country today. I already had signed 2 of the petitons that accompanies your message and I signed the one on the improvement of Care 2 just a few minutes ago. Let me say this, there are times that I can note a message without viewing the entire thing by the informative paragraph that comes with it. Also the tags and headlines are helpful. I have not found one petition to be of a frivolous nature. I also am a busy person and I receive as many as 200 e-mails in a days time and all have to be answered or at least the ones with the deadlines. The nature of my work demands it when you are trying to get information to congress regarding some bill up for vote. Having said that, I take the time even if it means staying up all night to answer each of my Care 2 messages in a timely fashion. I also do enviormental work with several groups. Makes for a very full day. However, I would not complain nor would I fail to address any Care 2 message that I receive because they send a very strong message and numbers do count. I would suggest to anyone who feels that they are too busy to sign a petiton, to re think that and be a part of something that can actually work toward change. Sorry if I stepped on anyone's toes. Thanks Cate.
 

Thomas Panto (364)
Friday August 24, 2007, 5:19 pm
Cate,

A year ago there was oposition, now we ''preach to the choir.''.
Everyone knows that Bush is a liar, traitor and murderer.

We have already overthrown this evil regime in Washington,
but it takes time to undo the damage they have done.

The Truth, once known, is nearly impossible for the Spin Doctors to remove from the earth.
Keep sharing the Hopes and dreams of Living Things, and lies issued by the industrial military dictatorship in Washington will form their massive tombstones.

Every empire has, and will, fall under the weight of their own greed.
The meek shall ALWAYS inherit the earth and return to NURTURING the WEAK.

Have Faith in Humanity... Rome did not fall in a day.

- Thomas T. Panto

 

. (0)
Friday August 24, 2007, 5:24 pm
I respect your opinion, Cate. I truly do! But I would like to mention that perhaps people on Care2 use other avenues for activism such as their own local groups devoted to causes. Care2 isn't the be all and end all for activism.
 

Edwin Purcell (178)
Friday August 24, 2007, 5:25 pm
Cate,

I know you are frustrated. When we look at the world today, it is very hard not to be. Caroline's advice about taking care of ourselves is really important. If all we do is focus on the negative, it can be consuming. Being thankful for the good things we have draws more good into our lives. I sometimes wonder if the tremendous emotional energy that was expended worrying about all of the bad things that would just get worse if GB was re-elected actually helped him. Don't get me wrong, I expended a lot personal energy in negative thoughts and still do. But, if we want a better world, we need to spend time visualizing it and believing it can happen. The apathy that exists is appalling. I think the folks here at C2 are significantly less ambivalent and more active and committed than the population at large. In particular, I have a difficult time understanding today's youth. When we (I see you the same age I am) were young, we were out in the street protesting, really trying to make a positive difference.

It would be damn nice if we could see some real, tangible effects from our efforts. The troops coming home, a major reduction in greenhouse gases, decent health care for all, excellence in education, legislation with real teeth to protect animals, financial prosperity for the average person, just one, give me just one to build my confidence that someday we will have them all and we will live as brothers and sisters. It is so hard to go year after year of net decline instead of improvement. Maybe that's where the apathy comes from. Without a doubt this is what Carl Rove and Dick Chaney count on. I know two things they don't. The first is everything changes, no exceptions. The second is there are folks, like you and me, that are never going to quit. Like Martin Luther King, we may not live to see it (in body), but we will go to our graves knowing we stood for truth. Even when it was hard, when it was not "popular", when it looked hopeless, a still, small voice inside said "I have a vision of what could be, what should be, what will be". It makes no difference what others may do, what lies they tell, what dirty tricks they play, what armies they may form or how soulless they may seem to be, they can never claim victory over us. We are Spirit's expression in this world. In the end, it will not matter how much wealth we accumulated, how famous we were or how many knelt trembling before us. What will matter is what we have done to make this world a better place for others and the love we have left along the way.
 

M. Y (54)
Friday August 24, 2007, 5:31 pm
You rock, Cate! Thank you for all your contributions! While it's true that there may be many folks who are just apathetic or asleep, I think there may be many, like Michele R. above, who simply do not have the time that others might have to spend on Care2. I was a high school English teacher for years, often working upwards of 80 hours a week or more, and could only sign a few petitions now and then, if that. My situation has changed now, and I can spend more time here, but I suppose there could be folks working two or three jobs whose hearts are in the right place but who are just too busy trying to support their families or trying to survive. Not everyone can afford the luxury of time and a fast computer, and not everyone's activism occurs just online, either. People tend to assume that others are like themselves, but that may not be the case at all. I'm often off-line for weeks at a time when I'm out in the wilderness, and I couldn't afford a satellite hook-up (nor would I want one, I think, maybe...), so I miss a lot when I'm completely off the grid. As for all the animal stories, I, too, get frustrated when it seems that people appear to be more concerned with the antics of somebody's inbred, domesticated pet than, say, massive human suffering in Iraq, for example (please don't get me wrong; I love all sentient beings, especially wild ones), but, again, people are in different spaces, in different stages of consciousness. I'm just as turned off by someone stridently pushing a particular political or religious ideology in an aggressive, uncompassionate manner. Violence and aggression take many different forms.

I need to run now, but I wanted to say, like some others here, that I really appreciate what you and so many others here are doing, and cool conversations like this comment stream, and surprising outbursts of passion and impatience like yours that wake people up a bit, and the free exchange of ideas, and all the great news stories not covered by the mainstream media, and urgent, well-worded petitions, etc., which may seem like tiny droplets, in the global scheme of things, but tiny droplets form little streams, which eventually turn into mighty roaring rivers that those in power can no longer ignore. So thanks, all. Peace and love....
 

JoAnna N (199)
Friday August 24, 2007, 5:50 pm
Mk., I am also overwhelmed with many petitions but I do take the time to read them and if I feel strongly about one or another then I sign. It only takes a few seconds. If it's not something I feel I have enough info on to make an informed decision to support then I forward to those who may have more knowledge than I do. 30 emails? Try waking up to 300+ Every Day.! I am a mother of two ( 15 and 10) volunteer for senior citizens for companionship and grocery shopping, dog walking for cancer patients, and military letter writing team, group host, poet, wife, sister, friend, and human being who cares about all living creatures two legged and four. Does it really take so
much time to sign, forward and note? Maybe there's something I don't understand. Please forgive my ignorance if this is so. Maybe you can teach e something. I am willing to listen and to learn.
 

Danielle Lorman (9)
Friday August 24, 2007, 6:09 pm
Dear Cate, Thank you for speaking out...it is about time! And Ratty...when I receiced your email the other day I was both crying and saying bravo at the same time...yes animals are important but if we don't fight to get our government back no one is going be around to fight for the animals...so what is the PRIORITY here??? I love my friends here and I love hard they work to educate themselves on what is going on and how to overcome and fight the government, I have great respect for each of them and learn so much from them...but I , also , feel them getting frustrated. And I don't know how to ease their frustration when mine is just as high.
I am at a loss...do people just sign petition to save kittens cause they are scared of the government still??? What more can the government do to us??? Well that isn't going to happen anyway if we dont get off our asses? Or even with ALL the information we are constantly giving people everywhere in Care2 are people still not believing or thinking someone else will take care of it?
IT TAKES ALL OF US! I know not all of us can be at every rally...I am unable to go to the next rally but I will be at the one after this one and I am holding a vigil in my town...if you can't be in DC go to moveon.org and they will give you all the info to hold a vigil in your town so you can still be "there" even if you cant get to DC this time.
Please my friends dont give up! Cate, you are the first one to help everyone else with stories and petitions and this makes me so mad! The only excuse I can find is people stick to what is "safe" which is no excuse at all! And Ratty, we need you...just like we need Cate, heck the US needs both of you. We may not deserve you..but we need you. I love you both! And thank you for ranting, i think some of us needed to hear it and do some of our own.
 

Barbara P (1069)
Friday August 24, 2007, 6:09 pm
Cate... I do know and understand just how frustrated you feel... The apathy of some just blows my mind at times... You are not wrong for speaking out.!!! We are a nation in serious trouble yet so many, even some on Care2 refuse to see, acknowledge or take action...

...someone had suggested putting petitions and such on other sites... I do that as well. I have also put some of mine out onto various serach engines. There are sites that can help you utilize every free search engine out there.

We all love this site and are greatful for the use we have of it... but many of us came to Care2 when it was meant for activism... Times have changed though and the changes have brought on many frustrations for us!... greed and governmental interference, along with the "a-typical" social network people arrived that have no have no interest in activism. We are activists, that is why we came to Care2, so it is natural as times worsen in not only our country but our world, that we feel people should remove their heads out of the sand and take a stand for their own futures and that of their families...
So Chris try and understand it is not the site we dislike it is the American Apathy and how contagious it seems to have become on what once was a great activist site!!!

Peace...





 

Pamela Kemp (95)
Friday August 24, 2007, 6:16 pm
While I agree that apathy is rife in the world I can also honestly say that I have found more passion among the people here at Care2 than I have found in many non-profits, workplaces and churches. However, where there is a great deal of passion there can also be a great deal of judgment.

The person who posts everyday may think that the person who posts once a month is not committed. The committed vegan chastises the person who still eats meat. The person who is passionate about animals offends the person who is passionate about human rights by saying that someone needs to be killed or tortured. These are the judgments that cause divisions and cause many to slip into the background and silence.

I have accepted that everyone here will not care about everything I care about. They will not sign every petition I post or note every news item. And from time to time I will be offended. As in the real world, people in the virtual world will gravitate to the people and groups that are most like them and share most of their views. This is life.

But if on any given day, I share a story or an idea with someone who never thought about that topic and in turn that person signs a petition, makes a phone call or gives a charitable donation, then it's been a good day. I may never know the details of who, what, where, when and why but something in the atmosphere will have changed for the better.

So Cate take comfort in knowing that all that you do changes the atmosphere for the better whether you know it or not.

 

Charles C (160)
Friday August 24, 2007, 6:37 pm
I love animals and would do anything for them, but humanity is a priority, as I recognize the consequences for all life if it is not #1!!
Getting our country back should be the top priority.
I have to agree here with Cate on the number of signatures on petitions for other than animals, pretty poor showing out of 5-7 million.
I thought that most all here were activists for one cause or another, and I realize that many are more casual than enthusiastic in their efforts to initiate change, but that still leaves a lot of people that are active. Now I sign all petitions to save animals, but I know what my priorities are in order to benefit all life. If all the people that avoid politics and sign only animal petitions got on board and did their part signing the petitions to make the necessary changes in our government, then we might not be confronted with yet another war, which will surely involve nuclear weapons.
I know there are many that do their part and then some, and I salute them, but please let's ALL do our part. I truly believe it can happen!!!
 

Past Member (0)
Friday August 24, 2007, 6:42 pm
This has been forwarded to me to comment, and I will, and you won't like it- BUT...I am a member of Care2 and my opinion matters just as much as anyone elses. I am upset about the amount of APATHY I am hearing about animals...and how people really don't get it...

I get it. And there is alot more going on on this planet that America, and American politics.

There are over 6 billion people on this planet, and they are contining to multiply like houseflies.

Another species goes extinct in less than every 10 minutes. GONE. FOREVER. While people contemplate politics and the future of America.

When the battle for Washington is finished, you are going to look around in dismay- that nature is GONE, and a great many species.

Caring about animals is to care about ourselves. Like it or not, we are primate, part of the animal kingdom. They are our gauge. What is happening to them is simply a glimpse for our own self-centered species, that want to continue to believe that we are somehow...better? Different? Smarter? More important?

WAKE UP... WE ARE PART OF THE ANIMAL KINGDOM.

Think about that as you discuss "DEMOCRAT" or "REPUBLICAN".
 

Rabbit R (85)
Friday August 24, 2007, 6:44 pm

Rabbit Reply: Apathy & 4 Petitions
http://www.care2.com/c2c/share/detail/461724
 

Barbara Tomlinson (431)
Friday August 24, 2007, 6:59 pm
I have given a lot of thot to this, too. For what it's worth:
1] The figure of 7 million is to attract advertisers to the Care2 site. It has nothing to do with any sort of reality. For example, my brother-in-law logged on to Care2 just because we were having a computer technical discussion. He has not posted one single thing ever; nor probably ever will. Yet, his mere NAME is still on as a "member".
I bet a LOT of people just log on to Care2, to date, exchange cookie recipes, discuss their hobbies, their religion, books, etc. In other words, not "activists" in any political sense.
I would be SURPRISED, if as many as 1 million were "activists" -- probably not nearly that many.
2] It is a well-known saying, that in ANY organization, 20% of the people do 80% of the work.
So take FAR LESS than one million, or even half-a-million; then remove the members who are on vacation, or sick, or dead, or who have left Care2 without removing their names, or who are burnt-out, or busy, or have family troubles, or their computer is down, or are going to school, or...............
You have, really, some THOUSANDS and NOT MILLIONS you can COUNT on doing anything.
3] I FAULT CARE2 VERY MUCH FOR MAKING THE PETITIONS ON THE PETITION SITE HARDER TO ACCESS. In the OLD format, I often spotted worthy petitions that were just starting, and circulated them among my friends. Sometimes friends-of-friends. But, with the NEW format, I depend on my FRIENDS to send me petitions; and sign FAR FEWER than with the old format. {But I DID sign Cate's!} But I FAULT THE NEW FORMAT VERY MUCH.
Also, I think there are too many petitions that are vague and badly written {NOT Cate's however!}; that probably go nowhere; and that HYPE too much: End Poverty! End Hunger! Bring World Peace!
All of the above, tends to give ALL petitions a bad name; and discourages people.
4] Yes, I think for a lot of people Animal Rights petitions are more successful; it is much easier to concentrate on one "small" problem, than to try to solve the Middle Eastern crisis. {While animal cruelty is a BIG problem, it comes presented in "small chunks" that one feels one can DO something about.}
But, it has a LOT to do with the fact, that the Animal Rights people are JUST MUCH MUCH BETTER ORGANIZED. We can't fault them for THAT! This is true both on & off of Care2. In my state, they have in past years been MODELS of organization for putting measures on the ballot, that other political people could only ENVY and should learn how to emulate!
5] Yes, it does bother me that Human Rights petitions do so much less well than Animal Rights. They seem to get BURIED -- around for just a short while. Many such petitions are International; so it isn't just a matter of how many Americans are on Care2.
There are so MANY petitions, that one is quickly replaced by another. Just like one news item is quickly replaced by another.
Part of the job of a petition, is to INFORM. I don't think the people in power really care a snap of the fingers, about a petition! Oh, maybe there's an exception, in the truly huge petitions by major environmental groups -- those with tens of THOUSANDS of sigs. But they get their sigs FROM THEIR LARGE MEMBERSHIPS AND NOT THE MAJORITY FROM CARE2. I get stuff like that in my {snail} mail and yahoo mail.
But, petitions that INFORM, can CREATE PUBLIC OPINION. And that is SO MUCH MORE THAN "BEAN COUNTING" HOW MANY SIGS!!!!!
Hey, don't feel bad: we {plus other groups!} have had a hand, even a MAJOR hand, in TURNING U.S. PUBLIC OPINION AGAINST THE IRAQ WAR AND FOR BRINGING THE TROOPS HOME; in THE MAJORITY WANTING TO IMPEACH CHENEY AND BUSH; the majority REALIZING OUR HEALTH CARE SYSTEM IS SICK; REALIZING THERE NEED TO BE MORE ANSWERS ABOUT 9/11; and REALIZING OUR ENVIRONMENT IS BEING DEGRADED, AND GLOBAL WARMING IS REAL. And that ain't chopped liver!!!
We on the Internet HAVE MADE PUBLIC OPINION A FORCE TO BE RECKONED WITH.
We have won a few battles, but not the war........ nobody said it was going to be EASY!
That, I have figured, was the trouble with the "Hippie Revolution" of the '60's; a FEW concessions, "Yeah you can grow your hair long and wear bright colors and play loud music", and they GAVE UP TOO EASILY AND WAY TOO SOON.

So I think you can't always go by just one petition. It takes ORGANIZATION both on & off of Care2. Like, involving the Churches and other entities; not JUST noodling around in cyberspace! {In Seattle, churches are becoming nuclei of Resistance.} There are limits to what can be accomplished on Care2 and on the Internet; we have to take our activism and the inspiration we get on Care2, OFF OF THE INTERNET AND INTO THE STREETS. There will be a FEEDBACK EFFECT, too, from one to the other!
It is telling, that a lot of the activists I have met on Care2, are retired or disabled or have some other reason for being on the Internet practically 24/7!!!
I found a long time ago, you can't do it ALL. I can't sign all petitions. I've decided to concentrate on Human Rights petitions, because they NEED more sigs; OTHER people are doing the Animal ones, that's in good hands.
Remember, it is NOT a matter of "bean counting" or sig counting; but of RAISING PUBLIC AWARENESS.
Obviously, MORE HAS TO BE DONE on Human Rights awareness. One could drive oneself CRAZY, literally, trying to do EVERYTHING...............
 

Past Member (0)
Friday August 24, 2007, 7:06 pm
I don't know about anyone else but I get a lot of the same petitions in my email from other sites ,,like Green Peace etc .So I don't sign them again when I see them on here.Several I have recently recieved were to stop the killing of Wolves another was to protect Grizzly Bears and another was to stop the seal slaughter in Canada .So this could possibly be one of the reason's some of the petitions are not being signed on Care2 .
I sometimes feel as Carolyn T does and have to step back and take a breather because reading all this stuff can really get to me to the point I feel I am almost falling apart .
 

Michelle B (277)
Friday August 24, 2007, 7:11 pm
Cate. All signed and noted. We do care Cate, especially with all the effort you put into what you do. You are greatly appreciated. Sometimes, as far as I am concerned, I get backed up becaue there is so much, and still must make time for all my babies and home responsibilities. But I get around to it all always. Be well and remember, you are an important fixture here. Care2 would not be the same without you!
(hugz and much love)
Michi B.
 

Pamela R (159)
Friday August 24, 2007, 7:12 pm
Thank you, Cate! I wholeheartedly agree with much that has been stated within the comments posted. Care2 is a great vehicle for sharing petitions, meeting friends, exchanging ideas ~ and I am so very glad to
be a member. But.....I don't really understand the lack of participation. Out of 7 million members, I can't comprehend why there are so few signatures on so many important issues!
With that said ~ WE ARE MAKING A DIFFERENCE ~ Awareness is the impetus for change!
Again, Thank you, Cate (and Charles for sharing it with many). I work full time and can only be online
in a limited capacity at present! :(
Let's all keep working for the betterment of our respective societies and for our ONE WORLD.
 

Mary M (20)
Friday August 24, 2007, 7:14 pm
Not to be lazy, but Pamela above me stated pretty much what I was going to mention. Thank you Cate for taking such a loyal and dedicated stand on Care2. Cate rocks!
 

Lauren Stone (586)
Friday August 24, 2007, 7:33 pm
I'll second Xochi's "You Rock" comment, Cate! Many of us have BEEN saying this very same thing for along time now. I think your active member estimates were way too generous. In fact I would challenge you to find more than 1 or 2 thousand truly active members here. There is a 'core group' that Carolyn mentioned. Those who work at this as a job, not a passtime. There are thousands more who pop in now and again, but are not here day to day. Then you have your assortment of trolls, clickers and such...
Maybe we can't save the world, but we can make it a better place and those who are dedicated and work at it know that. That's why we are here now and will be here tomorrow.
All we can do is what we can do and we cannot be discouraged when things go slowly. We must keep fighting the good fight and things do get done, even if it is painfully slow.
One thing I think is important is to encourage new members to BE active and stick around.
 

Rob S (112)
Friday August 24, 2007, 7:52 pm
total agreement.Sometimes it does get a bit overwhelming and one has to step back for a bit.With work hours and such,its not always easy to get on here,but i try when i get the opertunity.We can only sometimes light the perverbial firecracker under the ones who don,t to get them jump started.Thanks for the post,noted and signed.
 

Past Member (0)
Friday August 24, 2007, 8:19 pm
NOTED AND ALL PETITIONS SIGNED!!
 

Rosemary Rannes (643)
Friday August 24, 2007, 8:31 pm
so much hs been offered to you Cate that all i have to say is : ONE VOICE ONE HEART ONE WORLD . WE MUST BE THE VOICE FOR THE VOICELESS, IN EVERY WAY, ALWAYS. I SIT AT THIS BORROWED COMPUTER, OFFERING EVERYTHING WITHIN MY ABILITY BECAUSE IT COMES FROM MY HEART. WHEN YOU CARE, YOU GIVE! AS MY GRANDAUGHTER SAYS: CARING IS SHARING. SHARING OUR THOUGHTS, OUR LOVE, INSPIRATION, OUR LIGHT AND ALL THAT LIES IN BETWEEN. THAT IS THE TRUE NATURE WITHIN EACH PAUSE OF THE BELL RINGING - THAT SPACE OF INNER WISDOM . WE ARE UNITED IN OUR DESIRE FOR PEACE, FREEDOM, LOVE, AND A HEALTHY "HOME" / CREATION IN WHICH TO LIVE AND BE. WHEN ALL IS SAID AND DONE, THAT INNER VOICE, THAT PURE SPACE WITHIN INSIDE, THAT PERFECT PEACE WE LONG FOR, IS ACCESSIBLE, THAT WE CAN HAVE. THAT WE CAN SHARE. THAT IS OUR IMPETUS FOR BEING HERE - NOW. INDIVIDUALS COMING TOGETHER FOR A REASON. LET THAT REASON BE FOR A HIGHER GOOD. AND WHEN WE GET TIRED, FRUSTRATE OR ANGRY, YES, WE CAN SHARE THAT TOO BECAUSE EACH OF US KNOWS THAT PLACE AS WELL. AND WE CAN SUPPORT THE ONE WHO IS "SUFFERING" AND NEEDS INSPIRATION NOT CRITICISM. SO TO ALL MY FRIENDS, MY 'EXTENDED FAMILY' MY BROTHERS AND SOUL SISTERS WHOM I HAVE COME TO LOVE AND APPRECIATE BEYOND MEASURE, I RESPECTFULLY OFFER TO EACH OF YOU LOVE, LIGHT AND PEACE. I ALSO INVITE YOU TO GO TO WWW.WORDSOF PEACE.NET AND LISTEN TO PREM ROWATT - MAHARAJI
 

Past Member (0)
Friday August 24, 2007, 8:34 pm
recieved this in my e-mail ....
Top stories for the week:
1. Care2 lost an Angel, Essie, Estrellita Tamargo (231)
2. Save The Tigers! (214)
3. AMNESTY CAMPAIGN FOR WOMEN OF THE WORLD PLEASE SIGN (193)
4. A Must Read Outrage: ~School of Shock ~ (192)
5. Unbelievable - Horse Gets Axed in the Head and Miraculously Will Survive (161)


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Most Commented on Stories:
1. Care2 lost an Angel, Essie, Estrellita Tamargo (231)
2. A Must Read Outrage: ~School of Shock ~ (192)
3. AMNESTY CAMPAIGN FOR WOMEN OF THE WORLD PLEASE SIGN (193)
4. Cats may be killed in 'feline factories' for jackets in Australia (61)
5. READ EVERYTHING ON REAL IDs - COMING TO YOUR STATE ANY MINUTE (161)


as far as i can tell ....3 out of 5 top stories were human related and 4 out 5 commented on were human related.... maybe your not looking in the right places ...or maybe your mind is clouded
 

Barbara Tomlinson (431)
Friday August 24, 2007, 8:34 pm
I've been on Care2 only a couple of years; and I was shocked to read comments from being here since 1999, that Care2 used to be MORE activist-oriented. My experience in just a couple of years, has been the opposite! It is true that the figure of "7 million" is inflated to the point of absurdity; and maybe it is recently that large numbers of people have joined just for "social" reasons, making Care2 look different from what it was in 1999.
I am fortunate in living in a rather "liberal" city where I have longstanding activist friends and know where to go for activist circles. So maybe I have activist "blinders" on. I know that "out there", outside of my own circles, people are apathetic; ESPECIALLY, it seems, about 9/11 TRUTH, being unable to FACE it.
However, that is not my experience on Care2!
I keep meeting MORE people who are NOT apathetic. People of ALL ages, even! People I would never have met without Care2! New people who keep joining, and are immediately active!

Going by the "click to donate" numbers, there are about 7,000 to 8,000 who do this regularly. Some people don't know about this, or don't have time to do it every day, or think the whole idea is absurd. Let's say half the activists on any given day, "click to donate". Or, even only a third. So, that would give you 16,000 to 24,000 real activists at any given time. {Others are on vacation, travelling, busy, etc. These would be the activists you could COUNT on to be, well, ACTIVE on this one day. Or week, etc.} Well, that is a way smaller figure, maybe way off; but I think the calculations are at least likely to be CLOSER to accurate! than anything in the "millions".
In my experience, it is HARDER TO GET AT petitions than it used to be! This is one of the "improvements" that was the OPPOSITE from an improvement.
I think, that all the NEW PEOPLE, if they could get into "click to donate" and into signing petitions, it might contribute to a SENSE OF SOLIDARITY among us. It would IMMEDIATELY GET THE NEW PEOPLE MORE ACTIVE; as they seem to WANT to be! I think we might even be losing a few newbies, if we don't give them something immediately to sink their teeth into!
I see things as gradually IMPROVING on Care2! But, of course, I have no idea what it was like in 1999!



 

Denise Lytle (503)
Friday August 24, 2007, 8:44 pm
Cate, thank you for your "rant"! I completely agree with you. Yes, I do get tons of petitions, but I sign them all (as long as I agree with them, of course) when I have the chance (I signed yours right away since you don't send out messages with tons of compiled petitions). I commented on your blog entry :)
 

(1)
Friday August 24, 2007, 9:57 pm
It sounds like that you are having a trying day Cate For that I am sorry As far as the petitions, causes etc well all I can say is It sounds like one the one that has been standing in the same spot and only a few people will stop and sign , hello etc. and the the one standing there has had enough and starts yelling at the crowd and everyone looks makes a comment underthere breath and and has an excuse and we all have them some are ones that may be for a good reason and some don't but ever the reasons are tomorrow will be a new day and we will do all do over again Why? Passion for what we doing here on this site and in our lives. :)
 

Dave Kane (308)
Friday August 24, 2007, 10:09 pm
Whew! : ) The 7 million number sounds cool, but I agree with BMutiny that it is WAY inflated. It sounds good though when you put in a FOIA request in the part about waiving all fees that the information you are requesting will be posted for the public on an activist oriented website that boasts 7 million members.

And everyone gets burnt out . . . I think you just gotta do what you gotta do and everyone else will do (or don't) as they do. And there are More people aware of the BS every day. It's a marathon, ya gotta stay healthy, stay mentally jolly : ) and keep kickin' ass!

You Rock!!! All of you!!!
 

. (0)
Friday August 24, 2007, 10:12 pm
we all do our best but everytime i fall down i pick kmyselrf up and say oh yeah and get up fighting better than before
 

PrimaAWAY B (1278)
Friday August 24, 2007, 10:41 pm

Cate Groves (454) Friday August 24, 2007, 2:45 pm
I care about animals deeply, and sign all petitions for them and note most stories too...but what about our fellow brothers and sisters in the world? What about all the human injustice and suffering in the world? What about America, which is being gutted day by day by a fascist government that is only interested in advancing its colonial-business empire? I am at a loss...
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Cate this is a great post. I have issues the opposite way of your post. I am an animal person and I still sign and participate in more than just animal issues and I feel everything is connected.
I have been here since 1998 . I changed profiles in 2005 so that's why if you go check me out it states 2005. I shared a profile with my husband and when gone opened my own.

I can't stand that there is such a degree of a lack of participation. I made two shares yesterday.
One compiled with animal issues and one with non animal issues. They all affect all of us in some way.

I do get too much mail and would prefer less. But everyone is trying to help. That's another issue. If sending messages ,I think compiling a bunch of actions in one message is better than sending 7 in a row,

Back to your post. I don't feel more people and I don't see more people interested in animals than the world/politics,etc...

I keep track and really watch the facts.

At this point I think it's almost 50/50. I am so frustrated here .
I post a petition for a forest and in 12 hrs there were 7000+ signatures and I posted an animal issye and there were only I think 60 in a few days.

Care2 is a venue but it has changed so much and people do not care the same way and the participation is very very low. Lower than ever before . In 2 good years I've watched Care2 change for the worse. I don't mean to be negative .It's what I see.

I think people are too picky with their one cause. I am an animal person but I post and act on everything.

As for the news area. I prefer to stay private when it comes to politics and religion because I feel they can become heated discussions.

I don't believe for a second people are more animal involved than political or world. I do agree that there is a huge lack of participation and that Care2 can not be the sole place to post your Petitions,stories,actions,etc...

There are many smaller groups that have a huge amount of activity. We have no choice but to use them if interested in helping.

I just looked up and Denise does not like the "compiled" petitions or news stories or anything compiled I guess?? It helps cut down on huge amounts of mail and that's the best reason I can think of for doing this.

New people that join I do see becoming active very quickly and I think that's great. I receive many requests from new people because they see i am always trying to do something and they tell me they are also interested.

I like this post. I know Care2 is not the same and I know the lack of participation is wway down even with the new people and there are alot lately.

I know there are not more animal people. I keep track of signatures whether I post them for people to watch and encourage hopefully or whetehr i post them for myself.

Animal,children and similar DO NOT have voices of their own or cannot speak up. They DO NEED hekp urgently !! Anyone in need of help ,I would help. I consider animals of every kind equal to mankind. There;s no difference and it hurts when people send me intros telling me off and teling me to get my priorities in rder. Mankind is more important . "BS" !!

This so called "rant" of Cates really has been bothering me. Not her story. The meaning behind it.
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BMutiny said this; 4] Yes, I think for a lot of people Animal Rights petitions are more successful; it is much easier to concentrate on one "small" problem, than to try to solve the Middle Eastern crisis. {While animal cruelty is a BIG problem, it comes presented in "small chunks" that one feels one can DO something about.}

I get so many messages saying that why bother or Ok I will sign but i don't see any reason to because these are so small issues ,what good is it going to do. I hear this so often.

There are many opinions here and that's OK !! I have posted Human Rights/World issues and an Animal petition at the same time both new the same day and sure enough the animal petition comes in way behind .

It's not the same here.

Originally this site was a site for people to come and help not just sit in groups talking about recipes,although if Vegetarian or Vegan I'm all for it.

I have only a few friends that told me they are here to escape the reality of the world and to please not send them anything negative. That this is their peace and meditation time.

Care2 was never like this years ago. It was a site built on caring and basically being there as an activist or just being there for something and it's not the same.

Whatever reasons caused it.they are here and have been growing for a while now. The new people are great if not fake ones.

There's nothing else I can say .It would go on forever. I'm disappointed in Care2. It's not what I remember and sure we have tine of Animal people and tons of Human Interest people.

People are here now for so many other groups or the newest thing is posting news.

I would be a hypocrite if I can take 30 seconds to sign an animal petition preaching,begging for people to sign and not sign others also. I have 30 seconds for anything that makes sense and needs my help or will affect me. I still admit I am an animal person. I have spent 15+ years of my life helping menatlly challanged children, helping the elderly,doing so much for people and 15 years was not paid for most of it and 20+ years as an extreme animal activist. I am alive only due to my love for animals. My heart still cares deeply for anything that touches it.

I wish more people would participate. There's NO excuse for people not signing most of the petitions no matter what they are for.
You can't find an excuse for so amny.


This was a good post Cate !!

Sorry about mispells....





 

PrimaAWAY B (1278)
Friday August 24, 2007, 10:49 pm

Chris Otahal (246) Friday August 24, 2007, 3:36 pm
I would agree with Tim too. I too have made many friends on Care2 - and have accomplished great things. Why do you folks "beat" up on Care2?? It's a FREE service, so stop complaining!!! If you were paying for it then you might have a case. I don't have any unreasonable expectations that thouands of folks will flock to my particular causes - but I do have a very firm group of close friends which will take action together. If you don't like the site - why stay???

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Chris,I stay ONLY to use Care2 as a resource and venue as long as possible.
But Care2 would not be here without their members and they need to listen to their members.
If something is changed that really affects the way something was working so well ,admit it ,remove it.

If a change makes something better here,I'm all for it.

I stay to use what i can for everything I care about.

I may do business with someone or use a surgeon who is a complete jerk but one of the best because I need to. It's not enjoyable.

Like I said there are alot of opinions here. The topic bothers so many of us.

Cate brought it out and as long as everyone stays "friendly' there's no problem.

Just opinions. It helps to hear them.

Thanks again for the Post !
 

PrimaAWAY B (1278)
Friday August 24, 2007, 10:55 pm

Ratty Ratman (127) Friday August 24, 2007, 3:28 pm
I'm right there with you Cate, I sent out an email basically saying the same type stuff a few days back. I don't understand it either, and the emails I got back from a few people are basically saying the same type thing. One thing that maybe the people that only focus on animals need to understand is if we do not turn the direction of this country in a different direction ALL life on the planet will suffer and die. It doesn't do much good to save a cat and let Bush start a war with Iran and millions of people and cats and birds and trees die from nukes and fallout.
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DO BOTH !! Everything is connected. Stop being so picky. Everyone can do both. That's what I do even though I'm a known animal activist.
 

MIRIAM F R (50)
Friday August 24, 2007, 10:56 pm
Cate, I've been the 106th person to note your post. Unfortunately, I was not able to read the article, it won't take me there(visit site). I can only assume from the few lines of you comments and from the comments of all the Care2 members who have taken the time to respond to your unhappiness, to say the least, that you are pretty much upset. I have been a member of Care2 for almost a month now. I know you're very active because I always read your comments and the news you post so avidly. I believe I have become a more informed person since I joined Care2. I have signed all the petitions I believe in, and I have tried to participate as much as time permits. I appreciate your contributions to Care2 wholeheartedly. You are doing a good thing, and don't let anyone convince you otherwise. I hope to keep on seeing your news and posts on this site for many years to come. Keep the faith! I couldn't sign your petitions because I can't get through???? If you e-mail them to me, I will take care of that.
Namaste and Best Wishes,
Miriam
 

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Friday August 24, 2007, 11:03 pm
One of the things I can't seem to understand is this growing wave of people who seem "overwhelmed" by people constantly asking them to sign petitions and note news. In their numerous blogs and tirades on articles, they "kindly" say that that is the purpose of net messaging, and that they will go to C2NN or the PetitionSite if they fell like noting or signing something.

Being an active petition signer and news noter, I can say first-hand that it would be like finding a minnow in the ocean to stumble upon a friend's petition or story without first advice.

Yes, sometimes I agree there is too much indiscriminate forwarding, re-forwarding, and re-re-forwarding (in a circle to the same group of friends) and YES people should pay more attention to who has already received it before inundating the same group YET AGAIN.

However (and I have even put this in a share to my friends), I came here for knowledge, and to act on it. If my friends publish a story and want me to take a look, or author or sign a petition they think is worthwhile, I WANT them to honor me by telling me about it -- and I want to share my opinion and/or thanks with them.

And if any of my friends become overwhelmed, I WANT to help them.

Fortunately, I have been blessed with meeting many others here who feel the same... and for that I am grateful. I can understand Cate. It is disappointing to get excited about something you find very meaningful, alert what you feel are your compatriots, then have it all hit the floor with a dull thud.

I think this post was helpful -- if for no other reason, but to make people THINK.
 

Carol W (119)
Friday August 24, 2007, 11:31 pm

Cate the low tallies are incredible. I would never have thought such loss of participation.
This film clip, made me think of your observation;
http://youtube.com/watch?v=osl2sIerAbk
 

Malachi S (6)
Friday August 24, 2007, 11:35 pm
I don't sign many petitions because a lot of people have me blocked. Why? Who knows and who cares.
I've never made a personal attack when I disagree with someone, what's the point.
It could be because I don't agree with everything everyone says, but that's what makes me unique, my ability to disagree and think differently without making a personal attack out of it.
I spend hours upon hours here just reading, then when I want to leave a comment, I find I've already been blocked, ya can't contact them and find out what you might've done to offend them other than disagree with them. If they started the petition, I can't sign that either.
I will continue to have my own opinions and I will leave comments and sign petitions when I can, but I'm not changing to make friends, that would make me a two faced hypocrite.
I have a total of 2 friends, read the profile and you might find out why.
Noted Thanks Cate.
Just my thoughts.
 

Jaclin S (230)
Friday August 24, 2007, 11:37 pm
I have been invited to comment and so I will - I would not note any of your posts Cate if I could help it- if I have it has been by mistake - and I would never sign any of your petitions - the reason you feel like you do is KARMA.
After you and Charles held up for ridicule a poor negro woman who was a drug addict and in her poor state did a silly thing - the comments you guys made about this poor woman were so cruel and mean - she is a person - you don't know what she has been through in her life and yet you held her up to all on Care2 and ridiculed her - well that did it for me. You have no compassion - you seem to want things to revolve around yourself and you seem to make fun of many things that deserve compassion. So if you feel disheartened - then it serves you right!!!
And Animals are important and everyone here on Care2 does what they can with the time they have to do it in. Care 2 as we all know is a free site and it is good to be able to touch base with some many NICE people who dont make fun and ridicule poor unfortunate drug addicts and maybe just maybe others have different reasons for being here.
Love & Light
 

Blacktiger P (247)
Friday August 24, 2007, 11:38 pm
In the last 8 months since I signed on as a member I have felt like a struggling student inundated with so much information on so many levels and driving my friends and kids crazy with my new found knowledge. at this point I'm almost certain I could write a university exam on the social values of the World and probably get a Doctorate degree! just kidding! But seriously my mind is boggled at what I have learned. PLEASE be gentle with me if I take awhile to forword a "note please" as twice bitten third time shy and now studying every piece before I do forward. And once I start clicking those names , I don't look and write down who has already rec'd it. Thank you all who are resposible for my education that I could never afford at school! A grade 11 drop-out due to pregnancy in 1957. Lamargo
 

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Friday August 24, 2007, 11:43 pm

Lemargo, I don't know you -- but you are obviously someone very much WORTH knowing. Take all the time you need. Just stay as sweet as you are.
 

Denice G (45)
Saturday August 25, 2007, 1:19 am
Cate all signed in July. Thank you for all you do. You are a blessing to us all.
Denice
 

Past Member (0)
Saturday August 25, 2007, 1:55 am
I WONT SHOOT YOU I AGREE. AS I HAVE STATED MANY TIMES THE PEOPLE TODAY DO NOT HAVE THE DARING AND GUMPTION I LIVED THRU IN THE 60'S WHEN PEOPLE REALLY WERE READY TO TAKE TO THE STREETS AND DID EXACTLY THAT THIS COUNTRY WAS A HAIR FROM CIVIL WAR OR A COUP ON THE GOVT. NOW NO ONE WANT TO RISK JOBS FAMILY HOMES STATUS PROFESIONS FRIENDS ON AND ON AND WE WOULD ALL BE IN CAMPS IF WE DID ANYWAY I HAVE SEEN THEM THEY ARE REAL MANY HERE IN TEXAS I AM SURE YOU HAVE SEEN PICS OF WHOLE ILLEGAL FAMILIES IN THEM NOW .I GOT ONE 11/2 MI FROM MY HOUSE AND ANOTHER 20 MILES.i WISH EVERYONE WOULD READ "BLACKWATER" ABOUT THE LARGE ARMY WE HAVE OF ILLEGALS AND SET UP LIKE FRANCES FORIEGN LEGION CHRIS CPR53
 

Jessie Cross (295)
Saturday August 25, 2007, 2:26 am
For personal reasons I have not been around much lately. A lot of the people who have posted here are friends of mine and they know that I have brought up this subject even recently in trying to get signatures on a REAL Human Rights petition. I say 'real' because we have had a problem of petitions that were just some persons rant - Sign against animal cruelty, target: the petition writer or no-one, goal 100,000 - I have often said that this kind of petition detracts from and is negative for the ones that are really making a statement AND THAT COME FROM PEOPLE WE KNOW WILL DOWNLOAD AND ACTUALLY DELIVER. The fact that after reaching their goal, many petitions remain on the site does not help us understand if they have reached their intended targets. I personally contacted some petition wrters via the special link on the petition but to date have had no response at all - and some of them were members who write excellent petitions that I really believed in. The instruments are there - I have seen excellent petitions where the writer has kept updating the information on the actual petition - rare but very effective!
I very often do not sign the petitions which I think are basically only for US citizens. To the senate, house of representatives etc- as a non-US member I feel that I may just be 'spoiling' it. On the other hand, I do somewhat agree with Linda Hirdes post - it is very difficult to get enough interest in subjects not concerning the US and US politics/Animal Welfare. My friend Eleanor and I have seen that any news or petition regarding the Human Rights of Muslims in the UK or anywhere outside the US, are very hard to promote. Even among some activists there seems to be the attitude of 'where there is smoke there is fire'. Guilty without proof or having to prove their innocence instead of the other way around.
As far as the animals ar concerned, I volunteer at a dog shelter near my home. We take care of circa 170 dogs of all ages, health etc. We do not kill any dogs and have some really old bods living there and for us it is a personal tragedy everytime one of them dies, The structure is horrendous (:-) a new one is being built) but the one thing you can see is that every one of those dogs is loved and that they know it. I am telling you this to explain my total dismay at the neverending lists of dogs or cats on 'deathrow' - the richest country in the world (?) cannot look atter its animals?? I try to make shares for these poor babies but don't always have the time - work, family, shelter - and so sometimes I see them when it is already too late! A nightmare.
Care2 is largely made up of US citizens but, some of us non-USers do get the sense sometimes that this the main focus for many members, as if what happens elsewhere does not touch them. Of course I do have wonderful friends who know only too well that everything that happens anywhere now concerns all of us.
And then I have also met some absolutely caring, lovingl people at care2.
 

Blacktiger P (247)
Saturday August 25, 2007, 2:57 am
Hi Jessie C. my friend, you have said everything and then some of what I have searched my heart for. I also am not a well person, and I try VERY hard not to fall into the trap of griping. But I must say here as I have said to Cate, I feel wounded that my time which by the way is a few minutes short of 3 AM PDT must be put to the test as to how much I send out and/or how it is done. Tonight I have lost another friend and Group you may have seen for a short while "opalsrubystars" GONE !!!!!!!!!! No reason why or whatever. So is it because I sent to many forwards or something I said???? Who knows, so we MUST learn sometimes the hard way, we are NOT all perfect!!! LOVE AND LIGHT & BRIGHT BLESSINGS To All and now I am off to bed.
 

Pam F (221)
Saturday August 25, 2007, 3:17 am
Well,I really think it depends on your point of view. I joined this site as an activist on behalf of animals,and I have to say I find environmental petitions seem to me to be the biggest gatherers of signatures. I have no quarrel with that - I am very passionate about the environment,and I sign them,too,but I often wonder why some of the animal petitions DON'T get more than they do.
Being an animal person does not mean not caring about humanity - of course I sign for people,especially for issues like so-called "honour-killing",and children,and these usually garner thousands of signatures.
A large contingent of Care2 members are from countries other than the US,(I saw in a poll that it was about half!) which makes it unfeasible for us to sign many petitions,either because we can't,or are not well enough informed to be in a position to.

I would also like to say,I don't know why so many members are so hostile about "animal people" - as though because we care about animals,it means people are not important to us - why does it come down to "either - or" with them? (It doesn't with us!) I have seen some very aggressive and offensive comments on some posts - (I don't mean in this thread!)

When all's said and done,there are many more who work on behalf of people than for animals,and I don't begrudge that - I visit and do shopping for an elderly lady with Altzheimer's,and sponsored a girl in West Timor for many years - we all do what we can,where we feel we can be of most use,and helping one does NOT mean it's to the exclusion of the other.
( Signed the Care2 petition on May 28 )
 

Simon Wood (207)
Saturday August 25, 2007, 3:29 am
It is very important for us to raise political conciousness. The higher the political consciousness of a society, the more people will take responsibility for the nature of that society, and thus will live in the kind of society they want (a society where the government truly represents the people, truly serves the wishes of the people). The higher the political consciousness of a society, the less likely it will be that that society will invade or otherwise oppress or exploit other societies - thus more political consciousness means more peace and justice, and less terrorism. The higher the political consciousness of a society, the more they will prevent and resist coups and any imposition of tyranny - indeed, they will create quite the opposite: a maximum of democracy. :)
 

Simon Wood (207)
Saturday August 25, 2007, 3:35 am
[CONTINUED]

For all of these reasons and more, let's make it a priority to raise political consciousness. :)

ALL POWER TO THE PEOPLE!!! :)
 

Blair Miller (246)
Saturday August 25, 2007, 3:40 am
Cate I agree with you but also know that so many people on here can't see beyond their own noses. I also recieve so many petitions in my regular email box from various organaztions other than what is on care2. Alot of them are duplicates so I can only do the best that I can . With health problems and the inability to sit at the computer for too long I sign as many as I can . In addition I belong to several groups focusing on health issues that affect myself and so many others. and Political and activist groups. There is only so much time and so much I can do. But I do sign at least fifteen a week. Sometimes more.
 

. (0)
Saturday August 25, 2007, 5:48 am
I sign a number of petitions. It is my way of trying to make a difference and I know that my voice is heard in Washington because my congressional representatives do received the emails. At times, I do get a specific response to my concerns. So, I think for me, Care2 works.
We can't stay on top of everything. Pick the causes that are of most conern to you (plural) and find the apropriate petitions to sign or start one.
There will always be those who are couch potatoes eating their Ben & Jerry's and nothing more. So don't expect to wake others up who much prefer to sleep.. Those of us who are awake can and do make a difference. keep the faith!
 

RC deWinter (418)
Saturday August 25, 2007, 6:05 am
Jacqueline, your end tag on your attack of Charles & me is a hoot..."Love & Light .
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There is a book just out by Diana West called "The Death of the Grown-Up" that many need to read. It places the place squarely on us baby boomers for not being able to make sound judgments and face reality. I think compassion is a wonderful thing, but there are times when 1) Laughter is the best medicine and 2)You need to admit some things and people are beyond reclamation.

An old Asian parable:

A young girl was walking through the jungle and saw a snake trapped under a log. It begged pitifully for help in being released. The girl, being compassionate and tenderhearted, moved the log, picked up the snake and was about to to release it, whereupon it promptly bit her. As she fell to the ground, dying from its toxic venom, she asked the snake, "Why did you bite me, your rescuer?" And as the snake slithered away it hissed over its shoulder: "You knew what I was when you picked me up."

There are people like that too. I have met many, especially in my years as a professional musician. People whose very being has been so corrupted by many external forces, wrong life choices and native internal impulses they have never fought to shape and control that no matter how you try to help them or what good you do for them, they stab you in the back once yhou have pulled their chestnuts from the fire. Grow up and face the truth; There really ARE some beings beyond reclamation.
 

RC deWinter (418)
Saturday August 25, 2007, 6:07 am
George Bush et al are a perfect example of the above.
 

Mary Evans (780)
Saturday August 25, 2007, 6:23 am
There's so much that's gone wrong in our country...other countries, too, but our country was sneaky about it, and it's taking a lot of folks some time to catch on.

I get very frustrated myself, because one of the issues I work hardest at putting forth are the issues that deal with our foods....there's only so much time and then they will all be ruined for us....the organic crops are at great risk of becoming extinct, and people don't seem to know what that means. It essentially means our foods are being replaced with drugs...Pharmacrops...and then drugs to deal with all the effects of improper nourishment (in the land of plenty) and the resulting diseases and then side effects from all the drugs they call "treatments" or "cures." We're all being poisoned and nobody knows it, believes it, or seemingly cares! It's a planned apathy...the powers that be would like us to be apathetic...or else scared stiff and believing that only they are able to save us...then we won't act at all to do anything to change what's going on.

People like you, shaking things up and telling people to open their eyes is why I'm still here. At least here there are SOME people who can see what's going on. Care2 is a wonderful place where changes can begin to occur! We can make friends, build trust, and expose people to our ideas and to the research, the real news, and things they never would see if we didn't take time to send around roses and candles and gestures of friendship, making them want to stay.

It's a slow process, I know, and we really don't have the time...I hope people will wake up real soon, before we're some kind of military nation with soldiers in our streets, our phones being tapped, demonstrators being locked up, people forced to be on drugs for whatever purpose from vaccination to forced nursing home "care," all the food gone to be replaced with gmo's, an environment that's ruined, the practice of alternative meds becoming completely illegal, only the rich being allowed to have pets, animals being tortured in the name of medical research, or else subjected to a lifetime of torture just to end up on our plates...I could go on and on with what's happening here, and it's already quite far underway.

We need to WAKE UP before it's too late!!! For crying out loud, they're locking folks up for drinking raw milk! It's insane! Will we ever have true freedom here? Not unless people speak out!!!

It's our lifestyles that need to be changed. It's not enough to sign a petition, although that's a very good start. Care2 is also a good place to educate people, and there's a lot of that going on here. I sign as many of the petitions as I am able, and I also take time to participate in bringing relevant news stories in and working with people in groups and on an individual basis to try and open their eyes to what's going on and to help them learn healthier ways which are more in keeping with love and peace. Everything is based on money right now. People don't always see how their lifestyle plays into it all. Yes, we have to keep signing petitions! But we also have to teach people WHY they need to change and how to incorporate the changes which are good for us all comfortably into their lives.

Take the plight of the animals, for instance...as long as people are using chemical drugs, the animals will be tortured in labs. There's a period after all that, and signing a paper won't change it. People need to learn what to do instead of using those drugs. And then there's the food...Animals will continue to be tortured as long as we're eating meat. Folks can say they love animals all day long every day, and they can sign petitions out the gazoo, but if they're still living off the fruits of the torture, the blood is on their hands as well. I guess what I'm trying to say is I think education is as important as anything else going on at Care2.

We have to remember, too, that people are coming in sometimes not realizing what this site really is. Maybe they only came to make friends. There are a lot of real lonely people on here, and for some, this is their whole entire social life. We may think socializing is not as important as the BIG issues we're facing, but the atmosphere of friendship is important to even get people to even hear our ideas. They'll leave if they're not having fun!

In other words...I think it all has its place. Keep sending those petiitions around, despite all the complaints, and try to understand that when people engage on seemingly frivolous things on this site instead of taking part in the real deal, that the groundwork is being laid upon which trust can be built...and with trust comes more open minds.

Thanks for all that you do in helping people to get more involved in helping to save our world before it's too late!!!

Vibraceous, ND


 

Stephen Hannon (203)
Saturday August 25, 2007, 6:25 am
Noted: There are still a large majority of Americans who still believe that Saddam Hussein was persoally responsible for September 11, 2001, and no one will convince them otherwise. Even though it has been proved beyond a reasonable doubt that Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. They simply believe this lying administration with blid loyalty to Bushes and Cheneies.

I am currently reading Al Gores new book: THE ASSAULT ON REASON. It is a great read and he explains in detail how our civil liberties have been removed from our Contitution. It is a scahting indictment on the Bush Administration. Call you local libraries and see if they have the book in stock. If not put your name on a waiting list. THIS IS A MUST READ FOR ALL AMERICANS.
 

Tsandi Crew (95)
Saturday August 25, 2007, 6:53 am
There are a lot of organizations that send me petitions to sign that are not part of Care2. By the time I go through them all I've gone through approximately 300 per month. Then, I get the letters from my representatives thanking me for my concern and telling me what they have done about the matter already and what is on the table to be done. The ones I get from care2 are often ones I've already signed. And a lot are about ones I've signed from other organizations. Can you imagine what the people who recieve all these petitions think?

That there are a bunch of people out here that have nothing to do but sign the same petitions over and over because they keep getting the same petitions over and over again and again?

No wonder it isn't working.

I have said it many times. I'll say it again.

When do we get angry enough. When do we get angry enough to do something new, something that works. When do we get angry enough to do something other than sit at our computers and push a button that signs our name.

When do we get angry enough to get out of our chairs and become something other than armchair politicians. When do we get up and go to Washington and march into the Senate and into the House where Women belong, and let them have our minds in person. All of us together.

Not the White House. The House of Representatives and the Senate.

When do we get angry enough?
 

Charles C (160)
Saturday August 25, 2007, 7:05 am
I have to agree with you Cate on Jacqueline's statement above, Love and light???? I have been around a long time and aside from a college education, I have also graduated from the University of the Streets. As far as the post on the female drug addict, never in my life have I heard of anyone being that stupid, calling the police to report that she was buying drugs and did not get what she paid for and wanted them to make the dealer give her what she paid for...DUH!!! And anyone that did not think that was plain dumb really makes me wonder where their head is at!!!
I get along well with most people, but if someone has something to say about me, then say it to me!! I am respectful of everyone's feelings, causes, etc., but there are too many people with blinders on and see only what they want to see. You can do many posts for the good of the world, child abuse, animal abuse, human rights, political issues, and get attacked because of a post on stupidity!! Jacqueline, what this woman did was not a "silly thing", but a stupid thing......there is a big difference, and if it ticked you off, sorry, but after working with the Sheriff's Office for over 4 years, that was one for the books and I call them as I see them!!!
I will make sure not to send you anything else, as I have noticed that you have not noted my posts as well as Cate's, and that is fine......We all do what we can do, and some go the extra mile to initiate change.
Cate is surely one of those people and will always have my full support in all she does!!! And she knows the meaning of "friend" as do I......Now please help that poor snake trapped under the log, or get with the program, as I never liked back stabbers!!!


 

. (0)
Saturday August 25, 2007, 7:11 am
I have found through Care2 that I am able to reach out in more ways than ever before. My more experienced friends, help keep me up to date with the petitions and situations around the world in a way that I would not have achieved otherwise. The outlets through these petitions are more immediate than if I were to send private letters without the backing of national and worldwide organizations. I appreciate my friends here plus all the sources that it has to offer in working to make a positive difference throughout the world. I will continue to accept every means possible to persue advocacy against all cruelty and torture. Thank you Care2, my friends and every single person here for what they do to make things better!
 

Mary H (47)
Saturday August 25, 2007, 8:04 am
I read, note & forward but get few responses back...
I still am an active participate & will continue to be! Thank you Care2!
 

John Blalock (48)
Saturday August 25, 2007, 8:29 am
Hey Cate don`t feel to bad, good things are going on here..People will be people! I try to sign every thing that comes my way, if I agree with, or I feel it is for the good. Animals are on the top of the list but working for a New Goverment is upmost importance. For a computer age this is the most ignorant, non caring generation of all times. We most see that it seems that things like Paris Hilton are more important to alot of people then anything else. Hell, watch the shows on TV now it is unreal.
I guess what I am trying to say is at least on this site we do have alot of very caring people, I had given up hope if anyone cared anymore. But here I found Loving & careing people here. People that want Peace & Serenity in there lives. It is true that there are people that talk the talk but don`t walk the walk. All you, who is such a wonderfull person, & we can do is to just keep doing the right things. We can only answer for ourselves & to our Higher Power.
I had this little saying I would keep saying when I lived on the streets with my addictions.
Keep a smile on your face,
Love in your Heart,
And keep the Faith,
Cause better days are coming. John
 

Kathleen H (293)
Saturday August 25, 2007, 8:35 am
To many of my soulmates and fellow activists. As I read the many, many comments here, my heart truly swells with the pride I take in finding people like you all on one site. I am a fairly new member who is still learning the ropes, but I could tell almost immediately that it was a site for "CARE"ers! I support some very personal sites along with Care2, but never have found quite as active a group as I have here. Despite your disillusionment to those involved, I think we have a LOT (of course, a core) of people who have hearts so full of caring, giving, loving & a quest for peace.

I am the oldest of 6 children, and have to say that I am the only one who has probably ever signed an activist petition! I understand personally the lack of true activism in people's lives, and it, too, frustrates me. I guess I just want to take my space here to commend those of us who DO work hard to make the world a better place for those who do care more about themselves, their superficial lives, their backyard bbq's or trips to all kinds of exotic (and expensive) places instead of becoming involved in a cause. I agree, as I read each and every comment here, that there are all kinds of people - with all kinds of different interests. That's the GREAT part of this kind of site. We make others aware of the important issues that might not have crossed their path otherwise. My eyes have been opened to many causes other than my own personal ones. And on a daily basis I do postings of news, signing of petitions, sharing comments with friends, and giving comments and support as often as I can. Sometimes, I actually get jealous of people like Cate who truly must dedicate most of her day to caring about the world. If we all had the compassion she does! I consider so many of you posters here on this comment list as friends...TRUE friends - not the ones who worry more about what jewelry they wear or what car they drive or how many gadgets they can buy for their kids. I call us people who see in BRIGHT colors. Our world is VERY alive to us, not the muted pastel shades, or even grey shades most people exist in. I WANT my world filled with this care, with this enthusiasm!! I am thrilled to surround myself with friends here who activiely spend a part of EACH day making a difference! (And yes, no matter how small, we DO make a difference!)

I do personally commend those here who have mentioned that people and their issues need to be a bit more addressed on the noting. I find that when I post to the news list (which I try to do daily), that the ones that get the most response is about animals. I love and personally have several animals which have made me enthusiastic to all animals who roam our planet and definitely belong here ..with respect and caring. BUT, my priority is 1st to HUMAN BEINGS. The crimes against humans is and always will be FIRST on my own list of concerns.

I noticed about 6 of my articles this week alone have made it to the Front Page. Sadly they were the ones I knew would get attention here....non-political ones. That saddens me. I want to see more interest taken ACTIVELY in EDUCATION, CHILD WELFARE, HUMAN RIGHTS, HEALTH, & AGGRESSIVE CHANGES in our GOVT. Those are my own concerns.....not 100's of posts regarding the same article on a cat or dog.

Which, leads me to what I see is the biggest correction CARE2 needs to conquer...the amount of repeat articles listed on their news area. By being a poster of news articles, I see that barely before you can 1st post on a subject, within a matter of hours 3-4 more people post from other news sources the same article. I've noticed CARE2 has built in a new feature that stops from posting the same article (same http) but they still don't edit down the amount of articles...say, on Michael Vick. It gets very frustrating to weed out the SAME articles posted to note. Many times when I read the same thing over and over, I take the time to click the "duplicate" in hopes someone is watching the number of times a subject is posted on.

In conclusion, I've found it is very hard to get anything but a core group to REALLY do the work of many. I've always been the crusader in my family, my friends, my neighborhood, and the groups off and on the computer that touch me personally. I hope you all continue to be that person in YOUR lives too. As inactive and apathetic a lot of people have become in recent years, there are still many of us who really DO care...our voices just need to be a bit louder, our hearts a bit more full, and our souls focused on what we know is right for our fellow people and critters we share our Earth with.
 

Stephanie Huyton (223)
Saturday August 25, 2007, 8:39 am
Hi cate

Please don't give up hope, you are doing a wonderful job but sometimes people do have very busy lives, my life is quite hectic with voluntary work, activism in my area, I donate to animal charities and also sponsor a child in Honduras, among other things and I am away a lot, but when I am home I do check care2 every day to click donations and read and sign petitions and not just the animal ones although I love them too, although I have had to stop going into groups now which I do miss, I just don't have the time, and like others here, I also sign petitions that are not part of care2, and run my own group on yahoo about human injustices, and even that I can only do so much, sometimes I am up most of the night trying to catch up with everything but do get there eventually.
I do hope you continue with everything because I am sure there are a lot of people on here that have busy lives like I do, and they do their best when they have the time.
sending you lots of love cate and please carry on emailing me, I always read them.

Love and Hugs
Steph
 

Stephanie Huyton (223)
Saturday August 25, 2007, 8:39 am
Hi cate

Please don't give up hope, you are doing a wonderful job but sometimes people do have very busy lives, my life is quite hectic with voluntary work, activism in my area, I donate to animal charities and also sponsor a child in Honduras, among other things and I am away a lot, but when I am home I do check care2 every day to click donations and read and sign petitions and not just the animal ones although I love them too, although I have had to stop going into groups now which I do miss, I just don't have the time, and like others here, I also sign petitions that are not part of care2, and run my own group on yahoo about human injustices, and even that I can only do so much, sometimes I am up most of the night trying to catch up with everything but do get there eventually.
I do hope you continue with everything because I am sure there are a lot of people on here that have busy lives like I do, and they do their best when they have the time.
sending you lots of love cate and please carry on emailing me, I always read them.

Love and Hugs
Steph
 

tammymarie h (24)
Saturday August 25, 2007, 9:37 am
I don't do my daily clicks as much as I want. I'm very busy in my life from the internet. I probably spend around one or two hours on the net, and that's it or go a few days without even turning on the computer. I have a young son, who needs me, and I spend most of my time with him unless I'm doing volunteer work. I also try to attend all the town hall meetings when different politicans come to town. I have ways of being active in my community that reverbrates into the larger community, or at least I hope so. I read a letter my neighbor of 30 years wrote to a Congressman about healthcare. I think writing a personal letter is also a good way to get your point across. So, I do have to also agree with Sarah Plumb. I don't like tooting my own horn, so because one can't see the stuff I do on Care2, doesn't mean I totally indifferent. I don't feel like I have to prove myself to anyone.

I hate it when I see people ridiculed on care2, too, and I've seen it, but I try to ignore it unless I truly feel compelled to comment in defense such as on a family in Arkansas, for an example.

I do remember signing the petition about the Florida Panther. Somehow it ended up in my network messages, although I only get messages from my friend's list. Guess there is a connection there. I think I've signed most of all the petitions I've been asked to sign, except certain ones that I truly couldn't support. I also remember signing the petition for stem cell research. I can't remember exactly what I've signed.

I can't ever believe that Charles would ever ridicule or poke fun at anyone. Charles as been one of the nicest persons I've ever meet on care2, and I've been here since early Jan. 1999. I had to tell Charles that after being here, I didn't realize I wasn't noting the petitions or newsarticles sent to me because I didn't realize one has to click on the number in the top left hand top of the article! So, for those who have asked me to note an article, until a little over a month ago, I didn't know I wasn't. I'd gone and read many of the articles and things I've been asked to note, however. Anyway, back to Charles. Poking fun at someone is so totally out of character for Charles. He and I disagree on political issues, and we agree on many other things, but I can't recall a time Charles as ever been anything but respectful in his comments to me, and I also try to reciprocate. It was disturbing to read that Charles would ridicule anyone.

Has anyone checked out www.redjellyfish.com ?





 

John Jones (143)
Saturday August 25, 2007, 9:39 am
It's funny you posted this Cate. I'e been feling the same way recently. I guess I'm getting burned out too and frustrated. I spend a lot of time recearching and posting things that I don't think people know. I have some very good friends who are a lot like me and what I've been hearing from them lately is the same thing. Maybe it's something their putting in our water. Lol. I have a lot of irons in the fire and as a single parent and disabled I cant keep up with all the petitions unless someone seens me a message. I just don't think the government cares what we think and have their own agenda. I've also noticed on other sites the neo-con trolls are getting very vicious and right wing orginiztions are poping up in mass to spread propagand and lobby the congress.People laugh when I sugest voting Green or any other 3rd party but we have to get the "owned" out of Washington. My pet project is getting cannabus legal but I've put it on hold because we have bigger problems, martial law. Check some of the stories I've posted. Thanks Cate.
 

John Jones (143)
Saturday August 25, 2007, 9:46 am
I also get frustrated when I try to get people to vote, especially young people. Did you more people voted for American Idol than in the last presidential election?
 

John Jones (143)
Saturday August 25, 2007, 10:01 am
And I agree with Margret and Tim. I live behind "enemy lines" in central Texas and have met a lot of like minded friends here on Care2. When I first found it, I was looking for an alternative email and it was mentioned on Cnet, it gave me hope. I think most of the 7 mill members are not active and probably haven't been for some time. When I search for members in my area there are tons of them listed and I've sent introductions and get no reply. I think some only joined as trolls. And Tim you are very fortunate to have found love here. I know I sure as hell wouldn't in this part of the country. That's the reason I moved to Tucson over 20 years ago. Unfortunately I had to move back with my kids a couple of years ago or be homeless, not much choice. Maybe I should have stayed anyway, at least AZ helpes the poor more than Texas. And Margret, people are getting angrier. They want us devided. Devided we fall.
 

Tim Redfern (581)
Saturday August 25, 2007, 11:25 am
John: I'm blessed to be able to call you a friend. If you're feeling burned out, please take a break or slow down a little. You are a valuable asset in our battle to get Marijuana legalised, and it would be tragic to lose you. One day at a time, brother, and remember we can't win all the fights in a day. This is slow work, but slow and steady....let's not let the bastards win!
 

Jennifer A Smith (20)
Saturday August 25, 2007, 11:32 am
Hi, you sure got a lot of feedback, I am not able to get here everyday, just too much to do elsewhere.
 

Joann Shanks (251)
Saturday August 25, 2007, 11:33 am
I joined care 2 over 1and a half years ago,when I came here I had never worked on a computer I Am 53 years old,bought the com to help my son who is in prison. Friends told me I needed to start a web site to find ways to help my son on his fight for freedom,I found care 2 and joined I did not know how to do any thing,but people came to the group I had started and helped me to learn,and I have made some wonderfull friends here.I have learned that everone believes in there cause,and works for the goal,but allso people are all different and do things there way. But any time I have needed help my Dear friends step up and do all they can if only to send love and a smile.As my group has grown now at 172 members I have to spend more time on it,but still sign petitions as many as I can,and try to post to my groups and friends. Apathy is every where today so some people will never do any thing,but hang out ,but thats there loss,and the world will pass them by.Hang on Cate people do care and as all of us grow together we will see change day by day,or at least we will know we tryed to make a difference and our hearts will have peace,love and hugs JoAnn...
 

Asma Sufi (37)
Saturday August 25, 2007, 12:14 pm
apathy is absolutely unforgivable but some causes are greater than the others, therefore, for me violence, rape and environment are issues that perturb me. Animal abuse is a concern but not when people suffer more.
 

Marc Gartmann (142)
Saturday August 25, 2007, 12:40 pm
Is it apathy, or is it going beyond apathy? Apathy is just a plain not wanting to know what is going on, but I have the idea that still more people know, and that the problem is not anymore that the people are asleep, or ignorant, but that they are lying in bed awake, knowing and scared to stand up because it's dark and the boogyman can be right under your bed grasping your ankles if you move.
 

Thomas Panto (364)
Saturday August 25, 2007, 1:00 pm
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Judging from the response here, Apathy is not as prevalent at C2.
Perhaps the SILENT process of gathering and building wise Human thoughts is being mistaken for Apathy ?
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The 6 billion people of the free world know what this regime has done to America and the world.
The GOOD people of the FREE WORLD will not use bullets and bombs to educate men, women and children.
GOOD people would rather die than kill God's children.
We will Liberate America, and the world, from the Bush ragime.

Thinking and planning is a quiet activity. No ''Shock and Awe''... but also not ''Apethy''.

We have the freedom to speak, but while the deregulated military monopoly owns our nation's media outlets, we don't have the freedom to be heard.... but that is not silence and it is not apathy... it is just censorship.

Rome did not fall in a day.

 

Juanita King (10)
Saturday August 25, 2007, 3:10 pm
Wow; lot of messages...where can Ibuy the tee?
 

Carol W (119)
Saturday August 25, 2007, 3:51 pm

Cate,
I have wanted to say to you for the longest time, but thought it sounded stupid, "That Your The Bomb"
Then I often started to say, " You Rock".
Now that someone above broke the ice. (o:
when they said, You Rock.
I have to say,
Cate - Your the Mom !
we need you
 

Blacktiger P (247)
Saturday August 25, 2007, 4:04 pm
I have to admit I LIKE the fact my page shows 50 entries inbox. As the comments have already been read on msn, I can now zip thru all comments on care2 inbox and delete them and see what's left to work on. SO thanks for getting some new adds that now work. HUGS SUPER WOMAN CATE H.
 

Karen B (289)
Saturday August 25, 2007, 4:29 pm
Wow Cate! No one can rant like you can!! LOL I agree with so much of what's been said here. A month or two ago I was relentless in trying to get signatures for Save The Florida Panther. And Carolyn, I too wrote in one on my messages along with the Panther petition about the 10,000 clicks & 7 million members. But getting signatures was like pulling teeth. I read "over 7 million members" and I can only guess where they got that number. I have met so many people here on Care2 that I just adore. And my sweet Aussie friend Pam F., I whole-heartedly agree with you on why do folks have to separate animal-lovers from people-lovers. I think we all do as much as we can. The good thing is there are so many people here with so many different passions, that all of the categories get covered. My biggest passion is Saving The Big Cats ~~ doesn't mean I don't like people, or don't sign for military, children, healthcare, climate change, etc. But we all have an area that we "specialize" in. And it's a good thing that all of us have different passions. I love the folks that can handle the really severe, gut-wrenching animal abuse stories, because where would we be without them? Any way that's my rant. But friends, keep on doing what you're doing because we are making a difference, even if the least of it is knowing that we have our beliefs and passions and we have the guts to stand up for that and each other!
 

Gwen H (66)
Saturday August 25, 2007, 4:43 pm
Quite honestly, I didn't read all the comments. But I'm sure most of them reflect the same feelings. I have been very frustrated over the lack of participation many many times. Care2 is supposed to have seven million members...we couldn't get five thousand signatures on the petition to ban Horse Slaughter, and there was a US Senator waiting for it. The response was pitiful. What good is having seven million members is they don't participate? Sometimes I think people are just groupies. I colud go on and on, but what's the point? I think maybe if you don't participate in the petitions, news, and groups, Care 2 should cancel your membership.
 

RC deWinter (418)
Saturday August 25, 2007, 4:45 pm
YOU CAN BUY THE T-SHIRT HERE:

Apathy Is Deadly T-Shirt
 

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Saturday August 25, 2007, 5:36 pm

One question: If the humans here are reduced to the life of the humans in the countries we are terrorizing -- WHAT priority will animals have then (when our houses are being bombed, our children being killed in the streets, members of our families yanked off to prisons to be brutalized)?

 

Past Member (0)
Saturday August 25, 2007, 5:58 pm
i waited to post. I have been reading the comments thoughtfully and many were written thoughtfully and in deep earnest. . Thre are mnay reasons for a poor turnout of activism in certain areas as well generally and it changes and shifts Ctae you should know that.people become numb, feel as if they are powerless, become overwrought, tired, burned out, feel perhaps they canmake a differenc ein an animals life or childs life but perhaps not so on a political level. there is NO NEED TO BASH ANIMAL LOVERS.
no need to bah anyone.. Most people are doing what they can. You all know who they are because most of you all know each other and who and who not is active. AND EVERYONE HAS PETITION ISSUES. I STILL HAVE A CHILDREN SPETITION THAT STILL HAS NOT REACHED 10000 YET? WHY> THIS IS /shoud be a no brainer.So? as for care2 7 million i find that number most likely untrue. the same couple of thousand people continually circuit care2 and sign. groups that have thousands of members have only a nhandful of active members
why? the answers lie within each person individually and what they can cope with EVERYONE IS EVOLVING AT DIFFFERENT SPEEDS. AND EACH SOUL takes on what is can when its atrts to walk the walk. some only cand handle animals whilst others like you cate likeme and several others on this post cross all the issues. what can we do? we just losta great many women active members these past few months due to scandals so? the question is where really are all of the care2 members and why arent they active? not animal versus other issues that is crass and destructive divisive and serves no puropose but to hurt
 

Past Member (0)
Saturday August 25, 2007, 6:28 pm
Cate and Everyone,
I'm here for a reason and that reason is to help!
I sign a lot more petitions than I get credit for.
I also note more stories than I get credit for.
I blog the stories and petitions my friends send me.
If anyone is interested they can send me a list of petitions links w/subject not just links and I will be happy to put them in my blogs and forum.
I sign petitions and note stories.
I also submit news.
Take Care,
Jerilyn
 

Thomas Panto (364)
Saturday August 25, 2007, 6:50 pm
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To save the animals, you have to FIRST save the SANITY of Humanity.
The earth is being consumed to build the killing machines that will FORCE Humanity to salute flags and worship stone gods.
All living things will be exterminated in the WAR of GREED for POWER over PEOPLE created by these self-appointed presidents of invisible borders and priests of magic religious cults seeking ''heaven'' and fearing ''hell''.
Only YOU can Educate them to direct their Life's work toward saving the future of this Creation.
Align your priorities with your situation.
Save the Humans from the governments and religions, FIRST, and you will save the world.

 

Thomas Panto (364)
Saturday August 25, 2007, 7:05 pm
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Every Living Thing has, and WILL, defend the Future of God's Creation from EVERY ATTACKER....
...and it does not matter what nationality , what religion, or even what species the attacker and defender are.
EVERY Living Thing WILL defend God's Creation to their DEATH.

To own the world, America will eventually have to use our H-Bombs.
45,000 warheads, and each one a thousands of times more powerful than the Atomic Bomb.

So, decide...
1.) Attack Humanity for presidents and priests? or
2.) Educate Humanity about presidents and priests.

1.) Fix America or
2.) Kiss the world goodbye.
.
 

Carol W (119)
Saturday August 25, 2007, 11:48 pm
IN APPRECIATION FOR ALL CATE DOES I ASK THAT SHE WRITE ONE MORE PETITION, since she takes so much time and precision with it's care...
........Due to the new found information below:

In a comment made to a Columbia University class on Nov. 12, 1963,

Ten days before his assassination, President John Fitzgerald Kennedy allegedly said:

"The high office of the President has been used to foment a plot to destroy the American's freedom and before I leave office, I must inform the citizen of this plight."

...Cate can you write a petition with an Executive Order to back it up? And see if it is apathy or ignorance.

I will give you the site url at the end of this short info. bit. and you will know how to write it for us?
...........If a petition in on care2, how do we pass it on to other sites or emails? Is it possible? Do they have to be members to sign????????

EXECUTIVE ORDER:
On June 4, 1963, a virtually unknown Presidential decree,
Executive Order 11110, was signed with the authority to basically strip the Federal Reserve Bank of its power to loan money to the United States Federal Government at interest.

With the stroke of a pen, President Kennedy declared that the privately owned Federal Reserve Bank would soon be out of business. The Christian Law Fellowship has exhaustively researched this matter through the Federal Register and Library of Congress. We can now safely conclude that this Executive Order has never been repealed, amended, or superceded by any subsequent Executive Order. In simple terms, it is still valid.

When President John Fitzgerald Kennedy - the author of Profiles in Courage -signed this Order, it returned to the federal government, specifically the Treasury Department, the Constitutional power to create and issue currency -money - without going through the privately owned Federal Reserve Bank.

http://www.john-f-kennedy.net/thefederalreserve.htm

Source: http://www.roc-grp.org/jfk.html


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Carol W (119)
Sunday August 26, 2007, 12:03 am

With true patriotic courage, JFK boldly faced the two most successful vehicles that have ever been used to drive up debt:
1) war (Viet Nam); and,
2) the creation of money by a privately owned central bank. His efforts to have all U.S. troops out of Vietnam by 1965 combined with Executive Order 11110 would have destroyed the profits and control of the private Federal Reserve Bank.

Executive Order 11110
 

Carol W (119)
Sunday August 26, 2007, 12:11 am

O.K. just attempting to submit ideas for sound foundations, education, and hopefully motivation to sign, talk, reclaim our Repulic, and stop the Democracy along with the Fed. Reserve System..
.........Big Bite. hmmmm

More background -
In the winter of 1983, archival research expert David Dodge, and former Baltimore police investigator Tom Dunn, were searching for evidence of government corruption in public records stored in the Belfast Library on the coast of Maine. By chance, they discovered the library's oldest authentic copy of the Constitution of the United States (printed in 1825).

Both men were stunned to see this document included a 13th Amendment that no longer appears on current copies of the Constitution. Subsequently many more early copies of the Constitution reveal the ratified XIIV Amendment:

"If any citizen of the United States shall accept, claim, receive, or retain any title of nobility or honour, or shall without the consent of Congress, accept and retain any present, pension, office, or emolument of any kind whatever, from any Emperor, King, Prince, or foreign Power, such person shall cease to be a citizen of the United States, and shall be incapable of holding any office of trust or profit under them, or either of them."
In other words, lawyers who swear allegiance to the BAR, thereby placing the "Esquire" or "Esq." title to their name, take on a title which prohibits them from being part of our government!

The real Thirteenth Amendment, was ratified on March 12, 1819 at the vote of the Virginia General Assembly. One of the principle purposes of this Amendment was to prohibit lawyers from serving in Congress. Many are not aware that lawyers "BAR" is a private club, which is not disputed. However, the question as to who the different BAR Associations are linked to and beholden to is questioned. Bar Associations throughout the world are apparently signatories and franchises to the international Bar Association located at the Inns of Court at Crown Temple, which are physically located at Chancery Lane behind Fleet Street in London. The Crown Temple uses the Banking and Judicial system of the City of London which is a sovereign and independent territory to Great Britain (Similar to Washington DC which is not a part of the north American states, nor is it a state).

(To research more search the net> "Crown Temple" BAR)

Ok, so the evidence is in, the 13th Amendment listed above is legitimate, it was properly passed, so what's up? This is particularly interesting when one learns that the 16th Amendment authorizing the IRS and any of the 33,000 taxing bodies in the U.S. was never ratified!:
 

Carol W (119)
Sunday August 26, 2007, 12:36 am

I hope this is not flooding but since it has been my main concern since 1963, 1974 VietNam ending, Waco, then 9/;11 I know this is Cates thread, but I feel this is relevant to our common cause.

I hope to get everyones views or feedback along with Cates, if and how this info. can help us turn the tide.

*** "In Government Regulation. Authority to do some act or carry on some trade or business, in its nature lawful but prohibited by statute, except with the permission of the civil authority or which would otherwise be unlawful." Bouvier's Law Dictionary, 1914.

Keep in mind those that came to America from England were British subjects. So you can better understand what I'm going to tell you, here are the definitions for subject and citizen.

"In monarchical governments, by subject is meant one who owes permanent allegiance to the monarch." Bouvier's Law Dictionary, 1914.

"Constitutional Law. One that owes allegiance to a sovereign and is governed by his laws. The natives of Great Britain are subjects of the British government. Men in free governments are subjects as well as citizens; as citizens they enjoy rights and franchises; as subjects they are bound to obey the laws. The term is little used, in this sense, in countries enjoying a republican form of government." Swiss Nat. Ins. Co. v. Miller, 267 U.S. 42, 45 S. Ct. 213, 214, 69 L.Ed. 504. Blacks fifth Ed.

I chose to give the definition for subject first, so you could better understand what definition of citizen is really being used in American law. Below is the definition of citizen from Roman law.

"The term citizen was used in Rome to indicate the possession of private civil rights, including those accruing under the Roman family and inheritance law and the Roman contract and property law. All other subjects were peregrines. But in the beginning of the 3d century the distinction was abolished and all subjects were citizens; 1 sel. Essays in Anglo-Amer. L. H. 578." Bouvier's Law Dictionary, 1914.

The king was making a commercial venture when he sent his subjects to America, and used his money and resources to do so. I think you would admit the king had a lawful right to receive gain and prosper from his venture. In the Virginia Charter he declares his sovereignty over the land and his subjects and in paragraph 9 he declares the amount of gold, silver and copper he is to receive if any is found by his subjects. There could have just as easily been none, or his subjects could have been killed by the Indians. This is why this was a valid right of the king (Jure Coronae, "In right of the crown," Black's forth Ed.), the king expended his resources with the risk of total loss.

If you'll notice in paragraph 9, the king declares that all his heirs and successors were to also receive the same amount of gold, silver and copper that he claimed with this Charter. The gold that remained in the colonies was also the kings. He provided the remainder as a benefit for his subjects, which amounted to further use of his capital. You will see in this paper that not only is this valid, but it is still in effect today.

If you will read the rest of the Virginia Charter you will see that the king declared the right and exercised the power to regulate every aspect of commerce in his new colony. A license had to be granted for travel connected with transfer of goods (commerce) right down to the furniture they sat on. A great deal of the king's declared property was ceded to America in the Treaty of 1783. I want you to stay focused on the money and the commerce which was not ceded to America.

This brings us to the Declaration of Independence.

Our freedom was declared because the king did not fulfill his end of the covenant between king and subject. The main complaint was taxation without representation, which was reaffirmed in the early 1606 Charter granted by the king. It was not a revolt over being subject to the king of England, most wanted the protection and benefits provided by the king. Because of the kings refusal to hear their demands and grant relief, separation from England became the lesser of two evils. The cry of freedom and self determination became the rallying cry for the colonist. The slogan "Don't Tread On Me" was the standard borne by the militias.

The Revolutionary War was fought and concluded when Cornwallis surrendered to Washington at Yorktown. As Americans we have been taught that we defeated the king and won our freedom. The next document I will use is the Treaty of 1783, which will totally contradict our having won the Revolutionary War. Footnote 2.

Esquire ??

I want you to notice in the first paragraph that the king refers to himself as 'Prince of the Holy Roman Empire and of the United States'. You know from this that the United States did not negotiate this Treaty of peace in a position of strength and victory, but it is obvious that Benjamin Franklin, John Jay and John Adams negotiated a Treaty of further granted privileges from the king of England. Keep this in mind as you study these documents. You also need to understand the players of those that negotiated this Treaty. For the Americans it was Benjamin Franklin Esgr., a great patriot and standard bearer of freedom. Or was he? His title includes Esquire.

An Esquire in the above usage was a granted rank and Title of nobility by the king, which is below Knight and above a yeoman, common man. An Esquire is someone that does not do manual labor as signified by this status, see the below definitions:

"Esquires by virtue of their offices; as justices of the peace, and others who bear any office of trust under the crown....for whosever studieth the laws of the realm, who studieth in the universities, who professeth the liberal sciences, and who can live idly, and without manual labor, and will bear the port, charge, and countenance of a gentleman, he shall be called master, and shall be taken for a gentleman." Blackstone Commentaries p. 561-562

"Esquire - In English Law. A title of dignity next above gentleman, and below knight. Also a title of office given to sheriffs, serjeants, and barristers at law, justices of the peace, and others." Blacks Law Dictionary fourth ed. p. 641

Benjamin Franklin, John Adams and John Jay, as you can read in the Treaty, were all Esquires and were the signers of this Treaty and the only negotiators of the Treaty. The representative of the king was David Hartley Esqr..

Benjamin Franklin was the main negotiator for the terms of the Treaty, he spent most of the War traveling between England and France. The use of Esquire declared his and the others British subjection and loyalty to the crown.

In the first article of the Treaty most of the kings claims to America are relinquished, except for his claim to continue receiving gold, silver and copper as gain for his business venture. Article 3 gives Americans the right to fish the waters around the United States and its rivers. In article 4, the United States agreed to pay all bona fide debts. If you will read my other papers on money you will understand that the financiers were working with the king. Why else would he protect their interest with this Treaty?

I wonder if you have seen the main and obvious point? This Treaty was signed in 1783, the war was over in 1781. If the United States defeated England, how is the king granting rights to America, when we were now his equal in status? We supposedly defeated him in the Revolutionary War! So why would these supposed patriot Americans sign such a Treaty, when they knew that this would void any sovereignty gained by the Declaration of Independence and the Revolutionary War? If we had won the Revolutionary War, the king granting us our land would not be necessary, it would have been ours by his loss of the Revolutionary War.

To not dictate the terms of a peace treaty in a position of strength after winning a war; means the war was never won. Think of other wars we have won, such as when we defeated Japan. Did McArther allow Japan to dictate to him the terms for surrender? No way! All these men did is gain status and privilege granted by the king and insure the subjection of future unaware generations. Worst of all, they sold out those that gave their lives and property for the chance to be free.

When Cornwallis surrendered to Washington he surrendered the battle, not the war. Read the Article of Capitulation signed by Cornwallis at Yorktown. (Footnote 3)

Jonathan Williams recorded in his book, Legions of Satan, 1781, that Cornwallis revealed to Washington during his surrender that "a holy war will now begin on America, and when it is ended America will be supposedly the citadel of freedom, but her millions will unknowingly be loyal subjects to the Crown."...."in less than two hundred years the whole nation will be working for divine world government. That government that they believe to be divine will be the British Empire."

All the Treaty did was remove the United States as a liability and obligation of the king. He no longer had to ship material and money to support his subjects and colonies. At the same time he retained financial subjection through debt owed after the Treaty, which is still being created today; millions of dollars a day. And his heirs and successors are still reaping the benefit of the kings original venture. If you will read the following quote from Title 26, you will see just one situation where the king is still collecting a tax from those that receive a benefit from him, on property which is purchased with the money the king supplies, at almost the same percentage:

This is a lead in link if anyone cares to delve deeper.....
http://www.john-f-kennedy.net/thefederalreserve.htm

BECAUSE YOU GUYS HERE ARE MY LAST HOPE. I need your minds, skills, research, assistance.
as I use to end,
Peace, Love, & Courage
 

Donna B (13)
Sunday August 26, 2007, 12:47 am
Cate: I hadn't seen your petitions until you posted them with your "rant" on C2NN. I wouldn't have seen them at all had not a friend of mine passed them on via message forwarding. I signed them , or had signed them, as they are issues which are important to me, especially the technical difficulties of the Care2 site .( I have signed other petitions with that very topic). Like B. Mutiny and some others have commented, I also don't like the "New and Improved" Petition Site on Care2. The old one was a lot easier to navigate and locate issues important to me. I agree that too much apathy exists these days on this site , ( & many other sites!), and basically, that apathy permeates numerous minds in America , and individual preferences differ greatly, especially in the areas of politics and religion--(but that's generally been the case, even though the issues are ( in my opinion) more dire today than at any other time I've seen in my short 55+ years of life).This site still does have many thousands extremely dedicated to certain issues which I care deeply about ,so I'll continue to do what I can as one individual voice .
 

Carol W (119)
Sunday August 26, 2007, 1:18 am
I would make font, color, underline, tools available for comments. Sorry if I use to many caps.
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We owe this to our children and grandchildren, to do this right.
Not to panic.
Not to fall under the spell of confusion, distraction, or fear. We are powerful beings

I think it is great to disagree.
I am an Artisti who takes criticism to a degree. I was going to say, "takes criticism well" but that would be a stretch.......
 

Carol W (119)
Sunday August 26, 2007, 2:13 am

With Care2 cooperation we could start a petition movement, like Michael Moore's SICO movement.

We post the facts, through collective research, knowledge, and get them to topic.
Cate and the Wise Ones will know the best context to keep it in.How to write
a petition, and also have resources for validating

. off topic
.I have one main question for the Canidates.
...... "Who and how will you bring back Executive Order 11110, Signed into law on June 4, 1963"

Following the petition that gets their attention, ... ?

 

LucyKaleido ScopeEyes (82)
Sunday August 26, 2007, 5:11 am

I have not read all the comments here, because -despite my commitment to important causes that are often defended on C2- I also have a off-line life and a mate who shares it with me...

However, I DO sign those petitions which 1) I agree with and 2) I find out about.
There are so many, it may not be humanly possible to go through them all and sign them all.
Everyone has a network of friends on C2 and one thing friends are for is spreading the word about petitions to sign.

Another way of getting people to sign petitions, not C2 petition-site petitions, but others, be it from the Wilderness Society, Amnesty, Oxfam, Center for Food Safety, or whatever, is to post on the News Network, the "take action" page from these sites that explain the problem and include the pre-written letter or message to sign to show one's support to the appropriate decision-makers . I have tried this... with varying success.

I have often been surprised at the little support 'my' issues & causes have received ! And sometimes, an issue I have posted an article about to seeming indifference, hits the front page when it is later posted in another form, from another source and by another person. I have simply learned to live with this disappointed.

There was very little support for the NothingButNets campaign to save Africans from malaria that I tried to publicize on the network - I posted it as a news story and also as a blog - and that upset me for a while, as has the fact that the plight of people in general and children in particular in La Oroya, Peru, 3rd most serious toxic site in the world (Poisoned City Fights To Save Its Children - Peruvian Families in Andes Valley Choked By Toxic Gas Taking On US Metals Giant) has received very little support. Even some of the "take action" pages I've posted in an attempt to block Monsanto's tentacular power have received little support. I don't say people are indifferent, I say they're indifferent to my causes, most of the time, but not all of the time, either ! Maybe that's worse, for me, at least !

Regardless, I just can't stay in that place of disappointment. I keep posting stuff and signing what I feel strongly about, and well, if my issues are for the moment minority ones, well, perhaps that will change some day. I still try to get exposure for them.

I try my best to bring to the general attention the issues, causes and events which are important to me, but if these are not the ones that strike a chord among the majority of C2 members, there really is not much I can do about it. I just keep plugging away !

I wouldn't say that C2 members are indifferent: just as Pamela Lyn says, most everyone has just got their "pet" issues and support them, often to the exclusion of others.
 

LucyKaleido ScopeEyes (82)
Sunday August 26, 2007, 5:51 am

While we're at it :

I often wonder why more people are not concerned about Mexico. When you realize that so many C2 members are American and the influx of Mexicans, as illegal immigrants, is such a big issue in the US, how is it that more people are not interested in finding out why there is such poverty in Mexico and how US, World Bank and IMF policies have more or less manufactured the poverty that is driving so many Mexicans out of their own country ? ? ? The loudest voices are those of people who limit their "analysis" to 'They're illegal," "get them out," etc

But there are so many sources on the Net that make it so clear that the Mexican economy has been turned into the vassal of multinational grain companies, to name just one source of the problem.
From time to time, I have posted stories about this...very few C2 members are interested in the "why" of the grinding poverty and seemingly not motivated to find out about the role of the World Bank, IMF and multinationals which people throughout the so-called Third World denounce to the deaf ears of the so-called developed world.

The agrarian suicide epidemic in India, with over 40,000 poor farmers dead & as many ruined families, over the last 10-15 years, due to Monsanto terminator seeds foisted on them, has not caused any waves of indignation on C2 despite my efforts to publicize this ongoing tragedy !

I agree with Asma Sufi, I love animals but human suffering touches me more deeply. Environmental justice; human rights abuses; violence against women; poverty; the fight against the seemingly unlimited power of multinationals more powerful than governments; racism, intolerance : these are the issues that work me up !

Ditto for Xochi's and Pamela's comments above, too.
 

Sammantha L (126)
Sunday August 26, 2007, 7:00 am
I understand the frustration of trying to fight for one's causes and not seeing the results hoped for. I do sign petitions, and belong to many organizations whose petitions I sign on my other email addresses. I think the people I've met and all the things I've learned on Care2 are priceless. When I jioned a year ago, I wascompletely new to computers and had to figure things out for myself, which took quite a while. I'm still learning. We do what we can, but I'm so thankful for care2 and my dear friends. I'm disabled as well, and more or less housebound, but try to keep up. Sometimes my computer decides to act up as well, so I get frustrated too!
 

Past Member (0)
Sunday August 26, 2007, 8:49 am
I completely agree with you Cate. I have often wondered if I am doing any good on here at all. I try my best to get on here everyday for click to donate, and sign petitions, note stories to get attention to what's going on, etc. I thought that's what we were supposed to do here. Make a difference. I also wonder about that 7 million people thing. I see the same people caring about what's going on here. My friends and friends of friends most seem to be on here for the right reason. My network of friends I think is 75,000 or something. So I guess there is that many on here. Which makes me sick that I signed petitions this morning on children issues from 2004 and one had just over 200 hundred sigs and the other just over 300. These petitions been around that long and probably would not be affective anymore and hardly no one signed them. Sad. I signed them anyway because children is my number 1 on here and animals. I agree there needs to be more attention on the humans issues here. Not less on the animals at all. But MORE to humans. It's sad that people will not sign more for humans to. I also have noticed that with news stories on here. Human rights, don't get recognized so much. I am for all petitions that are for the betterment of children, people, animals, environment, nature all of it. And all of these need a lot more attention. I don't mind getting forwarded petitions at all and I also forward them. I have had people delete me, block, swear at me for this. So I put on my profile that if you don't want me to do that, if it will bother someone, then just don't add me. I'm not on here to have 5000 friends that won't help causes. Thanks for posting this. Totally agree.
 

Linda D (41)
Sunday August 26, 2007, 9:36 am
I disagree that apathy is rife at Care2. In fact, I find no apathy whatsoever. Apathetic people do not participate. They don't submit articles. They don't read the articles. They don't comment on the articles. If you're reading this, it's because you are not apathetic, because you are interested in what is going on in the world and want to read others' opinions or comment yourself, respectfully I hope. As for petitions, a person can only sign petitions they agree with after reading the full petition, and that takes time, and too many requests becomes a chore and a bore, so I limit myself to issues I really care a lot about. I wonder how many petitions do any good? It feels good to sign a petition, like waving a flag at an injustice. Maybe sometimes it has some influence, especially if the media gets involved, and they only do that if a large number of people sign. As for the number of people who belong to Care2, I would like to know what the statistics are for the number of "hits" to this website, even if they do not note any stories. I'm going to guess there are only 100,000 people who track Care2. I hope I'm wrong about that. Over all, I think Care2 performs a good service in that it makes people think about a subject and their point of view when they reply. The only downside are really insulting and hostile people who use words to hurt, not discuss issues. Too many scary, angry, and heart rending stories take an emotional toll, so I limit my time on Care2.
 

Past Member (0)
Sunday August 26, 2007, 10:09 am
I have met with more than apathy for humans on here before. I have met with people on here who have said they care less for humans and wished all humans would just die off so animals could live their lives!! Now that is pretty sorry!

As to the tech problems on care2, I know what you mean. My biggest complaint is when signing a petiton I wish the page would link right back to my starting point INSTEAD it takes me to the petiton page. Often times I can not find my starting point and that is frustrating!

I have come across petiton after petiton for the same causes over and over again and the human causes get lost sometimes. I try to sign as much as I can but sometimes I don't like signing the same things over and over. It does not seem like much progress being made!!

I would also like to see Update pages for each petition or a way of tracking them to see how they effected the cause in the end or if they get all the signatures they need. That would be a good additon to seeing progress. I think sometimes it feels like signing does not make a difference when we don't see the end results that the petitons had an impact or not. This might lead to apathy maybe.
Jodi
 

Past Member (0)
Sunday August 26, 2007, 10:27 am
signed!!
 

Michael Brewster (412)
Sunday August 26, 2007, 11:15 am
Hard telling what some people are thinking. I know we can't force people into getting more involved with things here on Care2, but also we have no idea if they are getting involved off of the Care2 site and or writting to people or the government themselves directly instead of going through a second party like Care2. For myself, I do it both ways on the things that are important to me.

One thing that a lot of people may not be aware of though is how things work legally in the USA. And that is with any form of petitions that the target is a form of government, this includes, City, County, State, and Federal Government, for these, the petitions on sites like Care2 are worthless, because they just hit the wastebasket when they arrive at the target because of US laws. When it comes to government, a petition has to have the actual signature, and address of the person signing it, they must be 18 or older and be a registered voter. It us up to the person or group who is doing the petition to match all names on the petition to make sure they are registered voters. No one living outside of the US is allowed to sign them. If they do, they just get dropped off the petition as a invalid signature. Just as petitions that the target is for a city or county or even a state government, in those cases, if it is a city government that is the target, to be able to sign a petition and be legal, you have to be 18, and live within that city, and be a registered voter in that city. Otherwise federal law says it is no good. The same applies for county and state target of petitions. So this is why you might not see as many people signing a petition here on Care2 with those type of targets, because these people know it would do them no good to sign it, its a waste of time since the petition would just get thrown away and no action taken on it since it did not include a actual signature even though it would have their address on it that they have registered with on Care2.

Either way, I think it is also important that we get members involved, and when you do sign any petition on Care2 or any other web site, we should also write a letter and send it via regular mail or by email directly to the source and let them know your opinion, as this really does help more then you can imagine. So in cases where a petition is and or has a target of like a city government, if we don't live in that city, we still can write or call them directly ourselves and they will listen to how we feel even though our signature on the petition would be invalidated. Lets hope that in the next year we will see a lot more people getting involved in doing what we are here for in the first place, and that is to help make changes in this world of ours to make it a better world for all of us to live in. I sure do hope and pray that this world will be a much better world when I leave it for heaven then it was when I first came into it.
 

Mike H (252)
Sunday August 26, 2007, 5:04 pm
If you think people are apathetic on care2- you should should check out the people who dont care about things like care2
 

David Cromie (6)
Sunday August 26, 2007, 5:43 pm
I agree entirely with you Cate, and endorse all the support shown in the comments above.

On a personal note, I have been noting, signing, commenting upon, and submitting news items for several years now, but doing much more of late. One thing I have noticed is that whereas animal related stories probably used to get noted/commented upon more frequently than other news items, more recently I have noticed more and more 'new' members commenting on political news than used to be the case. This would seem to indicate a growing concern for the dissemination of the truth about what is really happening in the world, and a realisation of the lying and evil-doing, principally of Bushco, but including their allies, on Palestine, Israel, Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, S. America, etc.

It was always going to be a tough struggle, counteracting the propaganda of the mainstream media, and Care2 contributors may have accomplished more than is evident from merely inspecting the comments of 'active' members.

There are times when I cannot bear to read any more, or am at a loss for words (believe it or not!), especially when some evil troll tries to sabotage the debate, or when an otherwise well-meaning person just does not get the point, or refuses to believe the facts (which can be, I must say, quite unbelievable at first glance - 9/11, for example, would fall into that category).

All we can do is keep on trying to awaken people to the facts, even if it means constant repitition.
 

Betty J (27)
Monday August 27, 2007, 9:55 am
I understand the frustration - I feel it when I go to the click to give sites, and see at the end under 7,000 signing most of those, if that. I sent the links to my sons, and one of them asked me how do I know it does any good... well one thing I KNOW FOR SURE, DOING NOTHING DOES NO GOOD!!! I explained to him that the organizations linked with those sites are well known, and reputable. The apathy is pathetic.

But.... it ha put people like us together who do care. That is a HUGE blessing! even the few of us together are much more than any of us on our own.

take heart!!!
 

Carol W (119)
Monday August 27, 2007, 10:13 am
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Mike H. So true, so true.

Cate David and others are correct about how our comments are also making a difference.

I have not been a member long.
I don't know how I stumbled onto this site, or then even bothered to register with it......

But the earnest that goes into these comments, has been the sanity that supports strength.

With petitions we hope to put up a fight. Though my state rep's don't read them and have a pre-scripted reply with their stamped photo copied signature.
I get discouraged, and sometimes feel they are backfiring on us.

But the articles, free thinking comments,, suggestions, criticisms all
..... is the beginnings of many a town hall meeting.



 

Blacktiger P (247)
Monday August 27, 2007, 10:27 am
To Carol W. and all the rest. In the above post by Carol, free thinking suggestions, comments go only as far as here. Trying to go further gets you shut down by the "RULE OF THUMB HERE" DON"T UPSET The Israelites. Since When do they have control over the Constitution over the USA and Canada???? Therefor if I'm bridled with a "SHUT UP BIT" so be it ... I put forth a well thought out comment and you can go back up the thread to find it. Well we will see.
 

Thomas Panto (364)
Monday August 27, 2007, 10:56 am
While the Deregulate Military Contractors OWN America's ONCE FREE press, you do have the freedom to Speak, but NOT the freedom to be heard by the PUBLIC.
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Your children will be trained by the OWNERS of America to use Zap-Poof, teenage Ninja, Mutant power ranger BRUTE PYSICAL FORCE to solve their confusions, and steal what they want. Trained to be obedient soldiers, slaves, crusaders and missionaries spreading BULLETS and BOMBS and LIES.
Trained to Cannibals... competing AGAINST each other for the LIMITED resources that are ARTIFICIALLY LIMITED, prices SET, and wages SET, to keep the children in obedient servitude and slavery until DEATH.

You will make your life's decisions based on the information they supply you.
You will Live, labor, die and murder to build and expand their empire
May God have mercy on your soul.
They knew not what they did.

 

Carol W (119)
Tuesday August 28, 2007, 11:46 am


No one has since dared to speak out too loud or long about the multitude of critical environmental problems or the vastly unjust inequality that exists for most of the people on Earth. Everyone now is pretty much, playing ball. There was only one person left in America who could have really upset the status quo if he wished to. Then ever so conveniently on July 16, 1999 John Fitzgerald Kennedy Junior's plane took a dive into the Atlantic Ocean.

"Few of us will have the will to bend history itself,
but each of us can work to change a small portion of
events, and in the total of all those acts will be
written the history of this generation."
/RobertFKennedy
 

Titania Starlight (284)
Tuesday August 28, 2007, 3:03 pm
This is shocking. What has happened to Care2? I joined many moons ago to be a part of postitive change. But when the groups were formed I think the true intent of this site went down. Now it has evolved into just a social network like Myspace. I like the groups but that is not my top priority. I am pround to be a part of activism. Hence the mission statement of this site. "Care to Make a Difference."

I don't mind petition forwards. I am very busy and may miss signing some , so it really helps when those who care, pass them on. I appreciate it very much. And if I get duplicates I just delete. No big deal. Goes with the corny forwards. I just delete . Why can't people learn to act like adults? It is a shame indeed. Great article and should be food for thought for every Care2 member . :o)
 

Dee C (23)
Tuesday August 28, 2007, 4:00 pm
I'm sure some if not all of the points I am about to make have been said..but maybe it needs repeating..
Or maybe I just need to speak from m,y heart on this as I have been reading on and off all of the comments..
I came to Care2 many years ago for two reasons..petitions and click to donate..That was 7 years ago..The Care2 site has grown tremendously since then..and as with many things then and now..things change..I welcome the groups it has given me the honor and pleasure to have come to know some absolutely wonderful Souls I might never have known if not for groups..and being homebound..it fills my day a bit here and there..
I do not believe apathy is rife here at all..as a matter of fact I believe just the opposite in that..and I see it every single time I come here..
Many of you work very hard to write and promote your petitions..and news stories to be noted..and that is wonderful..I applaud you..commend you and could only encourage you all to continue..however..to say no one cares just because they haven't signed your petition..does not make them bad or uncaring..Nor does it make anyone bad..wrong or uncaring should they respectfully ask anyone to refrain from sending petitions to them..I have signed/noted a few..and I assure you not one was ever signed by me through a forward..They are not signed to get a butterfly..and they are not signed because we are friends..They are only signed if I believe in what I am signing..There is the petition site..and the petition center..not to mention the abundance of groups that help wonderfully to promote petitions/news noted..I respect that some may appreciate and welcome these forwards..as they may not have the time or care to take the time to search themselves..so why aren't those that don't care to be forwarded daily by the masses..why are they not entitled to the same respect..If they ask you not to forward..isn't that uncaring on your part to be so nasty or rude about it..or to dismiss them as a friend..Over time I have lost many so called friends..and thats fine as it clearly says I am not really a friend but rather a ID on a mailing list..so I don't feel I have really lost a friend..and to those that judge and criticize those that ask kindly..I say shame on you..and I also say that indeed is indifference..and certainly shows uncaring on your part..As long as they are signing why does it bother anyone..
And I'll also add..even if they are not..why can't we give what we ask for..We ask for our own choice in things..we ask to be able to express as we see fit..It doesn't matter if anyone agrees..so why is the "other side" always the bad or uncaring side..Seems unfair to me..
I recall a very young person making a petition here not so long ago..It was their first and they were so proud of it....it does not matter what the petition was..they in their own sense were indeed trying to make a difference..and this poor kid was pounced on terribly ..and I might add by some here who have commented how uncaring people are here these days..and no one gets involved..

Everyone is different..and they choose to do things in a way that works best for them..They have their own thoughts..needs..and desires..and just because they are doing it different or even disagreeing with us..That doesn't mean they don't care..
So what if someone puts their heart and Soul into animals..why do you care..or if another is passionate about some other cause..Why are you counting heads and saying how many sign this or that..All of it hopefully makes a difference to someone or to something somewere

Also for every petition made..there are at least 3 or more others on exactly the same issue ..just different authors and wording is all..
So why take it so personally when yours is not signed as you have no idea which ones they have signed..

In the growth of the Care2 site..I think that has helped petition signing but I also think people have the right to be here for whatever reason they come here for..and that includes their choice to be here just for groups..
Yes of course we all want the world to be a better place..and we all hope everyone gets involved..but we don't have to be so critical and so judgmental..as I don't see that making this world a better place..It still seems to cry out.. them against us..We are supposed to set an example..it is not written anywhere that everyone has to follow and abide in it..

I'm sorry and please understand I wish never to offend anyone..ever..but with all due respect..this makes me feel sad..I am so proud to be a part of Care2..and I am proud to be a part of everything Care2 contains..and as with any site..there is good and bad..I'm sorry but I would rather reflect on the good here..and nurture that..rather than get caught up in the few off things here..

Also said here was the fact that many do know that simply signing a petition being does not move mountains..and some hardly move a gain of sand..for that matter..So again without knowing for sure what anyone is doing or not doing..and why they are or aren't ..does not show that apathy is rife here at Care2..except on the part of those being so judgmental..
D~
 

Joyce C (17)
Friday August 31, 2007, 4:19 pm
Actually I do prefer the animals over the humans. They are not quite as barbarian I feel. Also the animals do not have a voice and so we need to speak for them. I also feel that discouragement at times that the world has become so ugly and what as 1 person can I do. I enjoy this site though and I do the clicks for all the causes and sign some of the petitions, but the site has a lot of bugs as late and I have to refill in my information constantly.
 

Past Member (0)
Friday August 31, 2007, 5:00 pm
Check out ...
http://youtube.com/watch?v=9vqwSqbLHb8&feature=PlayList&p=8D885EF4A340EA64&index=37
 

Liz Abbott (31)
Friday August 31, 2007, 10:46 pm
I'm with you, Cate! This is a very important issue & we must get more signatures. When I go on "click to donate", I try & remember to go on everyday. It's such an easy & helpful habit to get in to. I'm always disappointed that every day it seems there are only about 8,000 clicks for each of the 10 worthy causes posted. Millions of members, & under 10,000 clicks for these great causes? Why? We have to step up to the plate, & promote this site to our friends, family & collegues. Remind ourselves & others to take 5 mins everyday & do this simple gesture on behalf of the rainforest, seals, tigers, children, pets, women, & oceans in need of our help. Also tho, I often forward petitions to @ least 30 others when I sign them. I don't see a link to do that on this petition. maybe alot of ppl regularly 4ward petitions but can't this time. Coyuld a link to email this petition be added? I've seen/used 1 on lots of care2 petitions. Please don't stop posting petitions here, Cate. Your effort makes a difference. In gratitude for your activism, Liz
 

Bill Edison (1458)
Tuesday September 4, 2007, 11:06 pm
I really question the sincerety of any or all the comments posted here.

The Forest Across America Project has been needing contact with anyone that is 'not' Apathetic.

I offer land, housing, fresh from the garden foods, and even cars, insurance and toothbrushes,... most anything you might need,... so you can help create sanctuaries for People and Animals.

We have a discussion about this at the Forest Across America Project group.

If you are not apathitic,... please come help those that are willing to take action to make a real difference for everyone, and everything. Let's do something while we are still alive and able. Bill
 

Elizabeth Irving (4)
Wednesday September 5, 2007, 7:39 am
Cate, your frustration hits a chord. I do think, however, that the reason people are so willing to read stories about and/or sign petitions re. animals is that, unlike us, animals cannot speak for themselves. Pets totally depend on humans for their 'livelihoods.' As an example of why this topic IS "human" : half the population of Belugas in the St. Lawrence River are so 'polluted' with toxins that their calves are born, at the very least, sick and chemically inundated, at the worst, already infected with cancers and unable to reproduce. Entire bird species are disappearing in North America. Shouldn't we all pay attention to these all these "canaries" in the human "coal mine."
It's true--politics are important, but each activist must target the concern most important to them. Sometimes, expending all our energy not just causes frustration but can burn us all out... . As a volunteer who focused on equal rights for women in the 80s, I became so involved that, I swear, my political skin sloughed off! And, even then, I felt guilty... .
Cate, your idealism and urgency are refreshing. Just know, however, that some of us are active in our own communities in the manner we feel is most effective. I come to Care 2 to stay informed and to spread some of the news I feel is under-reported in the mainstream press. There are many. many big-hearted, generous liberals who nourish my soul here.
Thanks. **E
 

Jay curnow (196)
Sunday September 9, 2007, 9:16 am
Time is the greatest challenge in life...so to fit everything one would like to in a day is beyond most peoples reach....so to rearange ones priorities on a daily basis is an absolute necessity.....no ammount of changes made by the care2 team could alter that fact!

I recieve on a very regular basis.....an update from the team as to the latest input on the the site.....including a detailed list of unread mail....which contains many invites to take part in petitions...many are from charity based groups,which should be welcomed & accepted.....as not only are they included on petitions on a worldwide scale & sent to relevant sources.....which private petitions may never reach.......but are followed through & from which regular updates can be recieved.......add to this the fact that....being in partnership with care2.....they are a means of promoting sponsors to participate in the site....which enable care2 to offer free membership.....which would otherwise not be posible!

when I joined in 2005....it was to participate on the donations.....as care2 had a different set of sponsors to the site I was using......by invitation of a friend!

It wasn't until some 7 months later when brousing through the site......I commented on a news item...& was surprised to get several green stars....& responded in like manner....that my participation grew.....requests to link with me grew from like minded people......& when off line for some time....on my return found updates via friends not only on petitions....but also inspirational items which were.... & still are...... invaluable!

I have met in this way some very caring & like minded people.....who I cannot keep in personal contact with as much as I would like to.....but I do...as often as posible.....send a brief message....or comment....which is sent from the bottom of my heart......not expecting or needing a response of any kind....but I have NEVER failed to recieve.....sooner or later...a heartwarming responce of some kind!

I recieved news of your "rant" from a caring friend......& like one person above...not having the time to read through the replies @ one go.....I saved the page.....& have read them through...bit by bit.....as time permitted!

I was pleasantly surprised to find that most of the thoughts put forward were similar to my own.....for which I posted a star.....the quickest & easiest form of appreciation!

I too picked up your frustration & disappointment when the responce wasn't what you'd expected as yet!
have you popped them into petitions R us.......or the penultimate groups I wonder!

@ the end of the day.....you did what YOU felt was important @ that moment in time....& will no doubt continue to do so.....as & when you see fit....& as time permits....everything has a purpose....from which many lessons are learned by more people than we perhaps realise!

"Attitude creates atmosphere".....& on the whole.....you must have been pleasantly surprised by the responses your "rant has evoked!

keep plodding on pet.....in the way that you see fit......& as you honestly feel.......you are not responsible for others actions....or attitude......only your own.....& if we're honest.....what matters "today" may not be tomorrows priority!......we can only live one day @ a time to the best of our ability......dealing with the "can & must" do's.... & leaving the "cant for today" where they belong......in the land of tomorrow!

when I sign a petition.....or note an article........which are usually sent to me via a friend...often forwarded on behalf of some-one.......or by the care2 team by way of daily actions slot......I rarely just sign or note it....without adding what I feel is a relevant comment in my oppinion on the matter concerned.....often remarking how I feel it affects the wider world community......many of whom are not blessed with the freedom of speach that we are afforded on care2
wishing you success, happiness,satisfaction & above all....preious peace of mind in your future efforts....may they afford you many blessings!
 

Linda J (160)
Thursday September 13, 2007, 8:18 am
it will drive you crazy if you let it. hehehe
 

Patrick Clement (228)
Thursday September 13, 2007, 12:00 pm
I sign a lot of petitions from my care2 friends with honour. I appreciate all that send me petitions to sign.
 

Patrick Clement (228)
Thursday September 13, 2007, 12:00 pm
I sign a lot of petitions from my care2 friends with honour. I appreciate all that send me petitions to sign.
 

Carolyn T (234)
Thursday September 13, 2007, 12:41 pm
Often, when someone contacts me about signing a petition, I have already done it. People are in your friendship link because something one of you said made the other sense you were like-minded, so it stands to reason that frequently you will identify the same petition as being important. At least, this is true for me. I have a backlog of reading to do now but it will get done--most of it today. I have had to c ut back on my participation in g roups and I do not get to interact as frequently as I would wish with everyone in my friends link. I host three groups and I know many of you have similar responsibilities. The only way I get most of this done is because it is just me at home and since I am disabled and at home, C2 has been able to be my focus. I salute those who have families and jobs and are driving your children to and from events...I don't know how you do it!!!!I do know that we have the greatest impact when we can sign petitions that we truly support, when we sit in on forums and listen to one another--it is a great one to think deeply about issues and take into consideration multiple perspectives. I rank these forums and your comments very high on my to-do list. I would rather be presented with a petition multiple times than to miss it...and there are certainly many I am certain I do miss. So, I am heading out to try to get around to petition sites and read shares, blogs, etc. I wish each of you a happy and productive evening. POTUS is speaking to us tonight, followed by purchased air time rebuttal by Edwards. I am not going to miss it--am getting the Tylenol ready now!
 

Past Member (0)
Thursday September 13, 2007, 7:35 pm
Cate, my good friend, look what you started...lol...i love you Cate..you are too cool...noted..and with that being
said, I must say that everyone has a right to choose and pick as to whatever news you like to note or comment on, however, yes, there is a however, I still think that if we as a people don't note or comment or write to ourt reps and senators about human issues then there will be no animals...sorry ...end of story...and i am an animal lover, but people come first...thats all there is to it...i note both...but i try to do the human stories first...because of the utter importance of them....shoot, there might not be a planet to live on tomorrow for heaven's sake...so, that is why it is so important for the humans first!....Many blessings to everyone here and much love, and peace..."dohiyi"....and "Wa do" (thank you) Cate hon..
FreeSpiritRunning...
 

Denice G (45)
Thursday September 13, 2007, 10:13 pm
Noted and signed
 

Carol W (119)
Thursday September 13, 2007, 11:11 pm

The Jersyy Wives stated that, "it too alot of public pressure to move people in Washington.
"A lot of Public Pressure."
Maybe, that is the case all over America. (?)
Sometimes I feel like giving up on petitions, but my nagging never lets me.
We got a fake 9/11 Report out of letters, petitions, and nagging...
More power behind it, might find glimmers of truth ... breaching through.

Thanks everyone.
Blue People
Is everyone here Blue , by the way?
I'm more of a turquise. Really.
 

Past Member (0)
Monday September 17, 2007, 10:53 pm
Hmm, I was kind of thinking, do these petitions and everything we have done here in Care2, like the Free Clicks to Donate--really and actually IMPLEMENTED for real? Because I'm just a member in Care2, but I don't know the works...so, please enlighten me. You may post in my page. Thanks.

-Jam
 

Teresa del Castillo (1519)
Thursday September 20, 2007, 4:11 pm
noted
 
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