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Today, John Avalon wrote a piece for the Daily Beast describing those who are asking for a new 9/11 investigation as "wingnuts." What he fails to tell us is that, as "propaganda chief" for Rudy Guliani, a man whose former chief of staff is now . . .


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Tere M (75)
Tuesday March 9, 2010, 10:50 am
Thank you for posting Just C.! ~ I hope we do not have to wait 50 years to get to expose the truth...

Dave Kane (308)
Tuesday March 9, 2010, 11:19 am
Silverstein Makes a Huge
Profit off of the 9/11 Attacks

Six months before the 9/11 attacks the World Trade Center was "privatized" by being leased to a private sector developer. The lease was purchased by the Silverstein Group for $3.2 billion. "This is a dream come true," Larry Silverstein said. "We will be in control of a prized asset, and we will seek to develop its potential, raising it to new heights."

But the World Trade Towers were not the real estate plum we are led to believe.
From an economic standpoint, the trade center -- subsidized since its inception -- has never functioned, nor was it intended to function, unprotected in the rough-and-tumble real estate marketplace. [BusinessWeek]

How could Silverstein Group have been ignorant of this?

Also, the towers required some $200 million in renovations and improvements, most of which related to removal and replacement of building materials declared to be health hazards in the years since the towers were built.
It was well-known by the city of New York that the WTC was an asbestos bombshell. For years, the Port Authority treated the building like an aging dinosaur, attempting on several occasions to get permits to demolish the building for liability reasons, but being turned down due the known asbestos problem. Further, it was well-known the only reason the building was still standing until 9/11 was because it was too costly to disassemble the twin towers floor by floor since the Port Authority was prohibited legally from demolishing the buildings. [Arctic Beacon]

Other New York developers had been driven into bankruptcy by the costly mandated renovations, and $200 million represented an entire year's worth of revenues from the World Trade Towers.

The perfect collapse of the twin towers changed the picture.

Under a pending agreement, a developer and his investors will get back most of the down payment that they made to lease the World Trade Center just six weeks before a terrorist attack destroyed the twin towers. Developer Larry Silverstein and investors Lloyd Goldman and Joseph Cayre are nearing a deal that would give them about $98 million of their original investment of $124 million, The New York Times reported Saturday. [MontereyHerald 11/22/2003]

Instead of renovation, Silverstein is rebuilding, funded by the insurance coverage on the property which 'fortuitously' covered acts of terrorism. Even better, Silverstein filed TWO insurance claims for the maximum amount of the policy, based on the two, in Silverstein's view, separate attacks. The total potential payout is $7.1 billion, more than enough to build a fabulous new complex and leave a hefty profit for the Silverstein Group, including Larry Silverstein himself.

As reported in The Washington Post, the insurance company, Swiss Re, has gone to court to argue that the 9/11 disaster was only one attack, not two and that therefore the insurance payout should be limited to $3.55 billion, still enough to rebuild the complex.

Update: WTC Leaseholder May Collect Up To $4.6B

A federal jury on Monday ruled that the assault on the Twin Towers of the World Trade Center was in fact two occurrences for insurance purposes. The finding in U.S. District Court in Manhattan means leaseholder Larry Silverstein may collect up to $4.6 billion, according to reports. [ 12/06/04]

The result of court ruling: Silverstein makes a huge profit off of the 9/11 attacks.

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Tuesday March 9, 2010, 11:25 am

I know there are some who now say: "Why are we still talking about this???" *yawn*


Carole Sarcinello (338)
Tuesday March 9, 2010, 11:28 am

Thanks for your insight, Dave.

Yes, this has been a HUGE "money-maker" for those who care only about profits (and view -- or cause -- any traumatic event as a reason to "cash in").

Pamylle G (461)
Tuesday March 9, 2010, 11:29 am
Right on, Gordon Duff. This is one supposed "conspiracy theory" that people should NOT dismiss.

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Tuesday March 9, 2010, 11:39 am

Dang spanky, Pamylle!

This government, servant to war-mongering corporations, will spend TRILLIONS of dollars (of our money -- and remember, every dollar they get came from us) -- kill our offspring, MURDER innocent civilians . . . and refuse to conduct an unbiased investigation to tell us why????

(But, on the same hand say that they cannot afford to provide health care to every citizen here?)

I want an answer!

And I want every citizen here to DEMAND one!

. (0)
Tuesday March 9, 2010, 11:50 am
Good article overall. I suggest a different view on one point...

Silverstein's Apparent Admission that Building 7 was Demolished

And a more nuanced view on another...

BBC Propaganda: Is Osama Bin Laden dead or alive?

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Tuesday March 9, 2010, 11:54 am

J-M, I'm already getting questions as to where people should go for truth on this subject. I've referred them to What site is best to reach you at?

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Tuesday March 9, 2010, 12:01 pm
Sent them to Debunking the Debunkers.

. (0)
Tuesday March 9, 2010, 12:13 pm
Best sites IMO are my own and the one in the first link, then and

. (0)
Tuesday March 9, 2010, 12:15 pm
And really what I was offering in both cases was a more nuanced view.

. (0)
Tuesday March 9, 2010, 12:16 pm
"So far, the “9/11 truth” movement is what it looks like, people unsatisfied with the explanation they got, scientists, scholars, politicians, world leaders and a few crazy people..."

It's those last ones that give us so much trouble. lol

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Tuesday March 9, 2010, 12:18 pm

WTC7 was the pivotal point for my own mind changing.

Luisa Fox (144)
Tuesday March 9, 2010, 12:20 pm
Good work Carole. I read this article this morning and thought about posting but you know, sometimes it's time to give it a rest.

Gordon Duff is my hero... Excellent article.

Noted. Carry on.

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Tuesday March 9, 2010, 12:22 pm

Oh, Gawd, it's SO HARD to wrap your mind around this. But, at some point you need to SNAP OUT OF IT -- and face facts.

Deb E (63)
Tuesday March 9, 2010, 12:22 pm
This would be fascinating if so many people had not fallen (and still arefalling) victims to this horrible event. Excuse my ignorance, please, but now it appears we have another player? LS is actually the mastermind of the whole thing so he could collect big money for the demolition of buildings that had to come down because of asbestos contamination that had to be refurbished or taken down floor by floor? I am confused. Who actually wanted the buildings down? LS so he could defraud the insurance companies and get his buildings up to code? Cheney? So he could make millions by puppeteering Bush to attack a country against the Constitution? The oil companies, so they could finally be in control of the world's biggest oil reserves? Yes, physics says the collapse couldn't have happened due to the hit of the planes only, and building 7 didn't even get hit but it went down. Something isn't right. Are all of these "players" actually somehow in it together? I am truly confused as to what the heck happened and why, and I am angered, I am really angered that the people of this country are not more angry about this whole thing! People dyed in the building collapse, people are dying from the asbestos exposure, people are dying in a war that we have no right to be in, and people are getting stinking, filthy rich off of all this, and people are saying "so what"??? Of course we need an investigation that will get to the truth! Or, is the Hollywood movie line true ... "Gentlemen, you can't handle the truth!" The truth is George W. Bush is the only President in the history of our country to ALLOW an attack on our own soil! That in itself should be cause for an all out, 100% total investigation until all people involved in the investigation are of the opinion that the truth has been found. Sorry for the rant. Flag it - do whatever if it shouldn't be here.

. (0)
Tuesday March 9, 2010, 12:23 pm
Yeah that was a big one for me too. Here's the case in a nutshell...

In NIST's 2008 final report on WTC 7 they admitted that the diesel fuel on the premises "played no role in the destruction of WTC 7," that "the damage from the debris from WTC 1 had little effect on initiating the collapse," and that the building fell "almost uniformly as a single unit." These are all points that truthers have been making for years, and that "debunkers" vehemently refuted.

But most importantly they admitted that the building experienced a "freefall drop for approximately 8 stories." Previous to this admission in their final Nov '08 report, their Aug '08 draft report attempted to demonstrate that "there was no freefall."

When lead NIST investigator Dr. Shyam Sunder was fielded a question by high school physics teacher David Chandler regarding the issue at a NIST press conference subsequent to the release of the draft report, Sunder stated that "freefall time would be an object that has no structural components below it." In essence, Sunder admitted that this is impossible absent some external force, ie explosives. I submit to you this is why NIST failed to mention their admission of freefall in their list of changes made in the final report.

The fact that WTC 7's facade punged at a nearly fee-fall rate is also something that we 9/11 truthers have been right about for years, perhaps we are also right about its implications.

It's either that, or as NIST says, fires "similar" to those "experienced in other tall buildings," caused "the first known instance of fire causing the total collapse of a tall building." Again, we truth seekers have often been criticised for saying that fires have never caused skyscrapers to collapse, but the NIST report vindicates us.

Other hard evidence in regard to Building 7 centers around the unexplained phenomenon documented in Appendic C of FEMA's WTC Building Performanc Study, which found "intergranular melting capable of turning a solid steel girder into Swiss cheese."

Appendix C states...

"The severe corrosion and subsequent erosion of Samples 1 and 2 are a very unusual event. No clear explanation for the source of the sulfur has been identified."

NIST never even attempted to explain the melting of this steel or the source of the sulfur, however independent scientists did. What they found was that iron-rich spheres discovered in the WTC dust contained the chemical signature of the incendiary thermate; thermite with sulfur added to lower the steel's melting point. Critics of their findings have argued that a thermate chemical signature would contain barium nitrate, however this is only true if the form thermate-TH-3 was used. This should have been clear since the scientists were comparing the chemical signature of the spheres to a known sample of thermate which did not contain barium nitrate. All that being said, thermate TH-3 may have been in use as WTC dust samples have shown high traces of barium.

In fact the iron-rich spheres are themselves hard evidence of the use of thermate which produces such spheres as a by-product. Thermate also produces molten iron as a by-product, and lo and behold molten metal was found under WTC 7. NIST tried to deny the existence of the molten metal underneath the buildings and explain away the flowing metal in the South Tower as molten aluminum.

Here is a video I made demonstrating that these claims are beyond dubious...

Combine these evidences with audio of explosions, reports of explosions both from people inside and outside of the building, reports of plans to "take down" the building, and close examination of WTC 7 collapse warnings in the FDNY oral histories and in the press, and I think the case for explosive demolition is very strong.

But the bottom line is that NIST didn't test the steel for explosives or thermite residues. Their excuses for failing to do so included saying that thermite could not have been coupled to the beams sufficiently to inflict the intended damage, however this ignores methods such as shaped charges, sol-gels, and linear thermite cutting devices. They also stated that...

"The metal compounds also would have been present in the construction materials making up the WTC towers, and sulfur is present in the gypsum wallboard that was prevalent in the interior partitions."

But just because the chemical elements are there does not mean they would be there in the correct proportions. As mechanical engineer Gordon Ross stated...

"If I leave margarine, flour, sugar and fruit in a cupboard, when I next open the cupboard I will not find a fruit crumble. Some mechanism is required to convert the ingredients. Similarly, if I take these same ingredients, set them alight and throw them out the window, I still will not get my fruit crumble."

Furthermore, physicist Steven Jones has pointed out...

"Wallboard has calcium and sulfur and they're very tightly bound with oxygen as well as calcium sulfate."

Now chemical signatures are one thing, but unignited explosive residues is quite another, and that is exactly what a team of scientists purports to have found in WTC dust in April of this year.
Specifically, they claim to have found a nano-engineered variant of thermite, that when heated exerted an energy/volume yield exceeding that of explosives commonly used in demolitions. There has been debate as to how explosive this material was, and how exactly it was used, but this does not negate the fact that the material was there and had no place being in an office building.

Their findings were published in a peer-reviewed journal and have yet to be refuted in any similar fashion. Attacks upon the journal they published in, The Open Chemical Physics Journal, published by, are unfounded. This is especially true considering that the NIST reports have not been independently peer-reviewed. Attacks upon the provenance of the samples are also unfounded.

So not only did the official investigators fail to do the proper forensic tests, but they also failed to independently verify the non-forensic tests that they did do.

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Tuesday March 9, 2010, 12:24 pm

I am still a novice on this subject, so, if you don't mind, J-M, I'll give the floor to you for these questions. o.k.?

. (0)
Tuesday March 9, 2010, 12:29 pm
Deb G,

I provided a link about Silverstein. We need a real investigation to flesh a lot of this out...

"On November 19, 2004, the 'Justice for 9/11' Steering Committee submitted a Citizens' Complaint and Petition to the offices of the Attorney General of New York State, Eliot Spitzer, citing probable cause for an independent grand jury investigation to examine unsolved crimes committed in connection with the events of September 11, 2001. We are publishing the complete Complaint and Petition online in this space as a living, growing document. Nine members of September 11 families, Ground Zero first responders, and citizens of New York have signed on as the first complainants."



"An open mind is required as one considers the overwhelming evidence that points to a wider circle of complicity than allowed for in the official story. We believe a subpoena-empowered investigation of these avenues for investigation, in combination, will uncover indictable crimes under both New York and federal laws." - SOURCE:

. (0)
Tuesday March 9, 2010, 12:30 pm
I'll do what I can Carole, I have million things going on.

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Tuesday March 9, 2010, 12:31 pm

I understand, J-M.

Summary: Man-made explosion.

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Tuesday March 9, 2010, 12:33 pm

Fact to constantly remember: NO PLANE HIT WTC7.

. (0)
Tuesday March 9, 2010, 12:35 pm
Here is something even better on Silverstein...

Larry Silverstein, WTC 7, and the "Pull it" comment...

. (0)
Tuesday March 9, 2010, 12:36 pm
"I understand, J-M.

Summary: Man-made explosion."

I know ya do... and that works too. :)

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Tuesday March 9, 2010, 12:37 pm

(I keep typing things, but nothing appears . . . so, if this appears twice, please forgive me.)

I know that much of what J-M presents may seem overwhelming to some -- but I am thankful that he has done his homework.

(I know that I appear to be a translator, but that's o.k. too.)

Dave Kane (308)
Tuesday March 9, 2010, 12:44 pm
As Buddy Guy wrote -- "I smell a rat baby"

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Tuesday March 9, 2010, 12:44 pm

This is important for all Americans (and other world-wide occupants) to understand because 9-11 was the impetus that began the horrific American carnage of the Middle East.

We need to understand that it was all predicated upon a despicable LIE.

This is done out of LOVE for this country -- and a hope for others to realize how they've been misled -- so that we can take back the place where we live before it is hopeless.

It BROKE MY HEART to come to this realization. But, I'd rather see truth, than live a bloody lie.

. (0)
Tuesday March 9, 2010, 12:49 pm
Thanks Carole, I suspect that the U.S and The Saudis were working hand in hand on 911, and I also read that there were some explosive chemicals found in debris that were not from the planes or used in construction of the world trade centers. This also explains why Osama has not been found, they don't want to...they cannot prosecute him when he was not the true initiator of the tragedy and I suspect he would start naming names of the U.S collaborators who did put it all together..if he is alive..he has been well paid to be the "fall guy" and is hiding in luxury.

Anis Kureshi (49)
Tuesday March 9, 2010, 12:53 pm
Before this in side story, there were some goals to be achieved those are still under way but time will come when truth will out,

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Tuesday March 9, 2010, 12:54 pm

Although I've never much believe in it, I WANT THIS STORY TO GO FRONT PAGE!

I don't need, or desire, the glory -- I WANT PEOPLE TO READ THIS!

Please forward this.

And, although I know you're already taxed, J-M -- please add your wealth of knowledge.

Dave Kane (308)
Tuesday March 9, 2010, 12:54 pm
and this article, to me, is convincing evidence -- damning evidence:

. (0)
Tuesday March 9, 2010, 1:01 pm
I also know that the U.S and the Saudis have a long history and 911 gave the U.S a reason to go to war. The both countries want control of all the oil in the vicinity, and the Saudis are using the U.S to get rid of Iraq and others so that they don't have to get their hands dirty, the U.S government elite+the oil tycoons will be paid well , so it's no wonder the oil industry does not want clean energy, they are to busy living the high life.

Luisa Fox (144)
Tuesday March 9, 2010, 1:07 pm

Israel and 9/11
Index of What Really Happened
This page is an index of articles relating to Israel and 9/11>


Carole Sarcinello (338)
Tuesday March 9, 2010, 1:12 pm

Thanks, Luisa.

Everyone should share what they know!

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Tuesday March 9, 2010, 1:13 pm

Beth, YOU are a sweetheart!

(Thanks for forwarding.)

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Tuesday March 9, 2010, 1:17 pm

Mad? SAY SOMETHING! (It's one of the few rights you still have.)

Question it? ASK!

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Tuesday March 9, 2010, 1:26 pm

Why should you know?

Because you have a RIGHT TO!

Barb K (1686)
Tuesday March 9, 2010, 1:28 pm
Negative thoughts lead to Negative Actions which = Negative Reactions. Let's not only Think Positive let's show Postive Actions!! Thnx Carole!!

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Tuesday March 9, 2010, 1:35 pm

Thanks, Barb. There is NOTHING more POSITIVE than the will of the American people!

(Good on you.)

Dave Kane (308)
Tuesday March 9, 2010, 1:44 pm
The scariest thing is that most people don't give a thought to this. It's as if it was a movie and we all just continue living whatever our sense of reality is. We are sheeple and that worries me most. Present company excepted
; )

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Tuesday March 9, 2010, 1:46 pm

Well, I guess it's time (way past) to change that!

MsR S (189)
Tuesday March 9, 2010, 1:50 pm
We're fighting the imaginary enemy out of our shores. The most dangerous, real enemy is within. It's always been. Thanks to the Internet we can become aware of what in olden days would never be revealed, and the knowledgeable ones would've been silenced.

linda b (186)
Tuesday March 9, 2010, 1:57 pm
The truth will always prevail.

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Tuesday March 9, 2010, 2:10 pm

And now, I learn that "they" want to brand 9-11 truthers as "extremists"?


H Nick H (1826)
Tuesday March 9, 2010, 2:12 pm
I just laughed to myself thinking how the right wing will try to link 9-11 to Obama. But, I do want the truth, the bottom line. When someone tries to cover up something, then I get real concerned. It's like how all the treasonous things Bush/Chaney did, and it's just brushed away, (hidden). And yet, it seems very few care about that. Americans have become such a lazy apathtic bunch, and only until we are inslaved or taken over we will stand up and try to do something.

Pat Prest (50)
Tuesday March 9, 2010, 2:17 pm

The power of the executive is extented, not only Bush( taking head) but Cheney, Rumsfeld, and can add their friends in Saudi Arabia to the list of involved people, and God knows who else!

Bush Sr. his group Carlyle Group
Bush JR. " " Harkin
Cheney "" " Halliburton
Rice " "" "" Chevron
Rumsfeld"' "Occidental

When the joint special operations were turned over to Cheney, he made it his own personal private army, then began privatizing black operations, rendering programs, counter-intelligence to so called "protect" the country.

What do you think privatizing does?

It is strictly under his OWN control.....all these things when Bush got into office did not happen within a day, it had been planned for years!

While America slept, Cheney and his hencemen took over the country, without so much as a whimper....


Carole Sarcinello (338)
Tuesday March 9, 2010, 2:41 pm

Thanks for the insights, Pat.

Dave Kane (308)
Tuesday March 9, 2010, 3:07 pm
We won't make change by talking to ourselves -- we all agree, but what to do about it? If we would ALL stop paying the 'income tax' we could shut them down -- that's the trouble though, we are all too splintered. Ahhhh, I need another beer -- as bad as TV . . . sorry for me rants that do no good. So what IS the answer?

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Tuesday March 9, 2010, 3:12 pm
Are YOU a truther?
Declare it here!

Yvonne White (229)
Tuesday March 9, 2010, 3:16 pm
Thanks for jumping in & providing the links J-M!:) We also have a group: 9/11 Conspiracy!!! right here at Care2! Lots more links (including J-M's!:)
9/11 was an Inside Job! (Bus$h-League NeoCONs knew how to git-'er-done!;) And millions have & will continue to pay for these "too big to fail" Terrorists!:(

Past Member (0)
Tuesday March 9, 2010, 3:18 pm
TY Carole for this important info,.Its impossible for a plane to do that much damage to WTC-towers,it does not take a genius to see that.The moment I saw it on TV, I knew something was not right.I've heard the same story what David Kane posted at the top.People of U.S.need to wake-up before its too late,half of U.S. Citizen voted for Bush Crime family again the 2nd time for president.That's scary.

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Tuesday March 9, 2010, 3:32 pm

Thank you, dear David! (Sorry, but I can't send you another green star.)

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Tuesday March 9, 2010, 3:33 pm

Yvonne? (You've always hung strong.) Love that!

Tuesday March 9, 2010, 3:38 pm
TY for posting this Carole!!!!!! Who' surprised about this. Could we expect anything different from oligarchs who NEED to cover up the truth?????

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Tuesday March 9, 2010, 3:41 pm

Thank you, Eleda, my fellow patriot -- always demand truth.

Patricia C (96)
Tuesday March 9, 2010, 3:44 pm
So MANY questions....I appreciate the post, and comments. Thank you Carole, I have always had questions and doubts about what happened, as does my only sibling, my brother.

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Tuesday March 9, 2010, 3:46 pm

Then, ask -- Patricia.

(But, be prepared for the answers.)


Dave Kane (308)
Tuesday March 9, 2010, 3:50 pm
The damage doesn't stop with 9/11 -- it's ongoing and neverending. No wonder the disenchantment (lightly put) with our rotten to the core government. Have to tear it down and start over imho . . .

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Tuesday March 9, 2010, 3:52 pm

We can't take back the horrific damage, but the truth starts HERE!

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Tuesday March 9, 2010, 3:54 pm

I ask anyone who has questioned before to ask now. No one will scoff at you. (We were all "ignorant" in the beginning.)

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Tuesday March 9, 2010, 3:55 pm

(If you don't want to do so publicly, see any of the sites noted above. BUT SEEK TRUTH.)

liz c (827)
Tuesday March 9, 2010, 3:58 pm
Great story Carole. I need to do more reading on the subject. It all seems very bizarre. I dont know what to believe.

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Tuesday March 9, 2010, 4:06 pm

Frankly, as I'm known to do, I made a total ASS out of myself the first time I heard this. I was a BANE on the existence of any truther who had the courage to think this. (and, believe me, in those early days -- that was pretty friggin' courageous)

Read! And then question. THEN READ MORE!

(It will be so hard to accept.) But be secure that you are not alone, and we all went through the process.

Alice C (1797)
Tuesday March 9, 2010, 4:11 pm
Thank you Carol. This all hits very close to home to me and my family.
My son, fortunatly did not go into work that day.

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Tuesday March 9, 2010, 4:12 pm

I understand, dear Alice.

. (0)
Tuesday March 9, 2010, 4:14 pm
"We won't make change by talking to ourselves -- we all agree, but what to do about it? If we would ALL stop paying the 'income tax' we could shut them down -- that's the trouble though, we are all too splintered. Ahhhh, I need another beer -- as bad as TV . . . sorry for me rants that do no good. So what IS the answer?" -Dave Kane

Something that may help Dave...

If you scroll down a bit past the article you will find an activism section of links on the right-hand side.

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Tuesday March 9, 2010, 4:20 pm

We do no service to those lives lost (and future ones) by disclaiming truth.

We, in fact, HONOR them; by taking to task those who took those lives by misleading others; and as such, ASSURING that it will not occur again!

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Tuesday March 9, 2010, 4:30 pm


These people have done NOTHING to you. The innocent civilians of these countries (and the offspring from here) are paying the outrageous prices for greedy corporations who exist to profit from war.

(Ask yourself: When has the U.S. NOT been in a war in my lifetime?)

. (0)
Tuesday March 9, 2010, 4:33 pm
Specifically regarding us being "too splintered"; we must realize that many seem to be exposing truth, but are really just throwing turds in the punch bowl. There are key points that can move us along further.

So again, please explore my blog folks. I think we have laid it ALL out for you, almost every detail and question has been addressed.

. (0)
Tuesday March 9, 2010, 4:35 pm
All... almost... you tell me. But use that search button first!

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Tuesday March 9, 2010, 4:36 pm
Here's another read for you -- and it comes from a former, most decorated,  warmonger.  It was censored from mainstream media:
Most decorated US Marine General: All US wars are for insiders’ personal profits
video live at source:
Smedley Butler (and here) was the most honored man in Marine Corps history. He wrote and spoke that the purpose of US wars is millions and billions in profits for America’s leading “bankers, industrialists, and speculators.” War is a “racket:” a deception whereby its purpose of blood money from American taxpayers to “insiders” is always disguised as noble and necessary ventures to keep Americans propagandized into paying again and again.
General Butler in his summative book, War is a Racket, on the costs of war to ordinary Americans:
“This bill renders a horrible accounting. Newly placed gravestones. Mangled bodies. Shattered minds. Broken hearts and homes. Economic instability. Depression and all its attendant miseries. Back-breaking taxation for generations and generations . . .

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Tuesday March 9, 2010, 4:38 pm

J-M's Blog:


Carole Sarcinello (338)
Tuesday March 9, 2010, 4:38 pm
J-M's Blog:

SuS NoMail Plez P (244)
Tuesday March 9, 2010, 4:43 pm
Noted with GREAT THANKS AND MUCH APPRECIATION FOR SO MUCH INFORMATION AND MANY FACTS! {that put it all into perspective}. Unfortunately, I am too illiterate to speak on the matter, as there are so many with much more information than I have {HAD} PRIOR TO READING THIS MOST IMPORTANT "TRUTH", as I believe. I swore I would not forward any more news, but I agree with you dear Carol, this needs to be front page news, and I will forward to EVERYONE immideately.

Deb E (63)
Tuesday March 9, 2010, 4:52 pm
War - where the poor are sent to fight for the benefit of the rich. You GO 'C' This is what I have been wanting to see for so long! WE all know that what happened did not happen as we were told it was. This IS the time to keep up the momentum. The American people are patriotic and we love our country and we are mad about the fact that our country has been taken from us by a bunch of ... I can't even say it here. 'C' you said it all when you said we HONOR those lives lost when we go for the truth. Another thing ... did anyone else think it totally strange that every bit of rubble from the buildings seemed to have been removed and crated out so quickly? Does anyone know where it was sent? I mean, what happened to all that debris that could be used as "evidence"?

. (0)
Tuesday March 9, 2010, 4:55 pm
Thanks Carole; as my translator I'm sure you would say that my last few messages mean: The answer is expose 9/11 truth and make sure that what you expose is really true. :)

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Tuesday March 9, 2010, 4:57 pm

Absolutely, J-M.

Seek truth here:
J-M's Blog:

. (0)
Tuesday March 9, 2010, 5:01 pm
"Does anyone know where it was sent? I mean, what happened to all that debris that could be used as "evidence"?"

WTC Steel Removal

The Expeditious Destruction of the Evidence at Ground Zero

Steel was the structural material of the buildings. As such it was the most important evidence to preserve in order to puzzle out how the structures held up to the impacts and fires, but then disintegrated into rubble. Since no steel-framed buildings had ever collapsed due to fires, the steel should have been subjected to detailed analysis. So what did the authorities do with this key evidence of the vast crime and unprecedented engineering failure? They recycled it!

Some 185,101 tons of structural steel have been hauled away from Ground Zero. Most of the steel has been recycled as per the city's decision to swiftly send the wreckage to salvage yards in New Jersey. The city's hasty move has outraged many victims' families who believe the steel should have been examined more thoroughly. Last month, fire experts told Congress that about 80% of the steel was scrapped without being examined because investigators did not have the authority to preserve the wreckage. 1
The bulk of the steel was apparently shipped to China and India. The Chinese firm Baosteel purchased 50,000 tons at a rate of $120 per ton, compared to an average price of $160 paid by local mills in the previous year. 2

Mayor Bloomberg, a former engineering major, was not concerned about the destruction of the evidence:

If you want to take a look at the construction methods and the design, that's in this day and age what computers do. Just looking at a piece of metal generally doesn't tell you anything. 3
The pace of the steel's removal was very rapid, even in the first weeks after the attack. By September 29, 130,000 tons of debris -- most of it apparently steel -- had been removed. 4

During the official investigation controlled by FEMA, one hundred fifty pieces of steel were saved for future study. 5 One hundred fifty pieces out of hundreds of thousands of pieces! Moreover it is not clear who made the decision to save these particular pieces. It is clear that the volunteer investigators were doing their work at the Fresh Kills dump, not at Ground Zero, so whatever steel they had access to was first picked over by the people running the cleanup operation.

Highly Sensitive Garbage
Given that the people in charge considered the steel garbage, useless to any investigation in this age of computer simulations, they certainly took pains to make sure it didn't end up anywhere other than a smelting furnace. They installed GPS locater devices on each of the trucks that was carrying loads away from Ground Zero, at a cost of $1000 each. The website has an article on the tracking system with this passage.

Ninety-nine percent of the drivers were extremely driven to do their jobs. But there were big concerns, because the loads consisted of highly sensitive material. One driver, for example, took an extended lunch break of an hour and a half. There was nothing criminal about that, but he was dismissed. 6
Shielding Investigators From the Evidence
According to FEMA, more than 350,000 tons of steel were extracted from Ground Zero and barged or trucked to salvage yards where it was cut up for recycling. Four salvage yards were contracted to process the steel.

Hugo Nue Schnitzer at Fresh Kills (FK) Landfill, Staten Island, NJ
Hugo Nue Schnitzer's Claremont (CM) Terminal in Jersey City, NJ
Metal Management in Newark (NW), NJ
Blanford and Co. in Keasbey (KB), NJ
FEMA's BPAT, who wrote the WTC Building Performance Study, were not given access to Ground Zero. Apparently, they were not even allowed to collect steel samples from the salvage yards. According to Appendix D of the Study:

Collection and storage of steel members from the WTC site was not part of the BPS Team efforts sponsored by FEMA and the American Society of Civil Engineers (ASCE).
Fate of Some Steel Revealed Years Later

The base of one of the Twin Towers' massive core columns stored in a hanger at JFK Airport is shown in the film Up From Zero.
Given that the removal and recycling of World Trade Center seel continued over the objections of victims' families and others seeking a genuine investigation, revelations, years later, that some of Twin Towers' steel parts were preserved comes as something of a surprise. Many of the heaviest steel pieces from the Twin Towers are stored in an 80,000-square-foot hangar at John F. Kennedy International Airport. These include some of the base sections of the Towers' massive core columns and 13 of the 153 steel trees from the bases of the Towers' perimeter walls. 7 Some of these pieces are shown in the film Up From Zero.

The hangar, which reportedly holds one five-hundredth of the "total debris field", is off-limits to the public. 8 Scott Huston, president of the Graystone Society, is attempting to obtain three of the steel trees for the National Iron & Steel Heritage Museum in Coatesville, PA. 9

The discovery of the existence of intact pieces of the Twin Towers' columns would appear to be good news for independent investigators who would like to test samples of steel. However, the locations of these pieces within the towers suggests a reason they were allowed to be preserved. The large core column sections stood on the Towers' foundations, seven stories below street level, and the perimeter column trees were from the lobby level, just above street level. Only these lower sections of the Towers were spared the blasting that shredded the steel frames down to about their fourth stories. This is evident from the facts that 18 people survived in the lower reaches of the North Tower's core, and fragments of the perimeter walls of each Tower remained standing.

Although it was believed that the last structrural steel remains had been removed from the site in May of 2003, in January of 2007, several large steel pieces were recovered in excavations of the site, below a road created during the cleanup operation. The excavation, which was commissioned to discover human remains, had already yielded nearly 300 bones. Two steel remains were described as columns, measuring about 18 feet long and weighing perhaps 60 tons, and three connected steel columns from the perimeter walls. The steel beams had apparently been buried during the cleanup operation, perhaps to stabalize the ground. Also discovered at the opposite side of the WTC site was a column which "appeared to be burned at one end", according to a person "with knowledge of the discovery". 10

Recycled WTC Steel Used in US Warship
News stories in 2006 reported that 24 tons of steel from the World Trade Center was being used to manufacture a warship named the U.S.S. New York by Northrop Grumman in a shipyard on the banks of the Mississippi. 11 12


However, independent scientists still managed to find some debris to use as evidence...

Dr Steven Jones on Thermate demolition of 9/11 WTC towers - From Terror Storm by Alex Jones

Explosives Found in World Trade Center Dust Scientists Discover Both Residues And Unignited Fragments Of Nano-Engineered Thermitic Pyrotechnics In Debris From the Twin Towers


The scientific paper Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe conclusively shows the presence of unignited aluminothermic explosives in dust samples from the Twin Towers, whose chemical signature matches previously documented aluminothermic residues found in the same dust samples. The present review of the paper and related research is intended to summarize those findings for the non-technical reader. To that end, I first provide a short introduction to the subject of aluminothermic explosives, then outline the methods and results of analysis of the dust samples, and finally explore the significance of these findings.

Read the rest of this article here...

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Tuesday March 9, 2010, 5:02 pm

(chuckle) I HAVE to say this.

J-M has devoted his LIFE to 9-11 truth! I can't think of anyone I personally know, especially at his young age, who has been more devoted -- obsessed -- with uncovering the facts about this horrific experience.

He is, without doubt, my "go to" person for any questions I have on the subject.

[And . . . I now stand to applaud him!]


Edward Willis (87)
Tuesday March 9, 2010, 5:05 pm
we owe it to the families that lost a loved one,i think this administration would like us to forget but there is no way a true American can ever forget.

SuS NoMail Plez P (244)
Tuesday March 9, 2010, 5:27 pm
"You cannot currently give a green star to John Michael as you have done so within the past HOUR! I agree with "C", I also stand to applaud him! You are brilliant, and I appreciate your links and great knowledge. Carole, I forwarded this to 100 plus people.

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Tuesday March 9, 2010, 5:49 pm
For any who haven't already done so, I encourage you to also visit J-M's latest news contribution:
The Loud Debunker-Not

Luisa Fox (144)
Tuesday March 9, 2010, 6:07 pm

Blackwater Managers Ran The CIA Unit That Allowed 9/11 Hijackers Into The US

Blackwater also known as Xe

Cofer Black was CIA Chief of Station in Khartoum in the mid-1990s at the time that bin Laden, Abu Zubaydeh, KSM and many of the other principal 9/11 plotters were running CIA-assisted paramilitary operations against the Russians from bases in Sudan. Black has admitted in Congressional testimony that he had met bin Laden there at the time. You can draw your own conclusions about whether Black was UBL's control officer, but it has to at least be considered as a possibility.

After the East Asia Embassy bombings in 1998, Black was brought in from the field by CIA Director George Tenet to head the CIA Counter-Terrorism Center (CIA/CTC), along with a Tenet protege Richard Blee, with Rob Richer as another Deputy. In late December 1999, the NSA picked up a communication from Nawaf al-Hazmi through an AQ communications center run by al-Hazmi's uncle in Yemen. That communique indicated that a summit meeting of al-Qaeda figures was being convened in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia in the first two weeks of January, 2000. The CIA/CTC had ten days to prepare, and started surveillance, including videotape, of that meeting. According to the 9/11 Commission, both the 9/11 Planes Operation and the USS Cole attacks were planned there. CIA Director Tenet was briefed about that meeting. In the second week of January, al-Hazmi and his partner Khalid al-Midhar departed Kuala Lumpur in the company of "Khalad" bin-Atash, who headed bin Laden's personal security detail in Sudan.

Read more.


Dave Kane (308)
Tuesday March 9, 2010, 7:00 pm
All the evidence was shipped out to China so quickly i t was apparent there was a cover-up. This was a crime scene so why was the evidence shipped out so quickly? Answer: to hide the truth, conceal the evidence, and make us all fools. Screw this BS story -- how stupid are we supposed to be? When will this s*it end?

Dave Kane (308)
Tuesday March 9, 2010, 7:02 pm
Hey Pomma -- get a brain!

Shailja Mukhtyar (90)
Tuesday March 9, 2010, 7:47 pm
at this point, just dont know what to think...

MmAway M (519)
Tuesday March 9, 2010, 8:25 pm
Just Carole...

Goodness, tried to read all of the comments and wanted to be knowledable on this one...frankly I am feeling totally STUPID!!!

Some of these comments really make me think that the United States of America's citizens really don't want to know what is truly going on behind our backs.

I WANT TO KNOW, and growing up during the CUBAN MISSLE threat these attacks make me want to know what is taking place...don't want to be in the DARK!!!

Maybe I am wrong, but GOOD GRIEF....this needs to be told in my humble opinion...and Yes Dave...what is the TRUTH???

I think we as living in the United States give WAY to much away, are under attack every day yadadada!!!!

Just my OPINION...and we all have our opinions...not going to yank on politics, but this is SERIOUS!!!

Agnes H (144)
Tuesday March 9, 2010, 9:25 pm

Wow what do I say? Noted for starters Carole and If the place was full of asbestos what a perfect plan it would be to do it this way. We saw it on TV as it happened but we only saw one aeroplane and gathered the other one was already hit!

What surprises us was that so many important people who should have been there weren't there. Did they have had a tip off? One of those people was Sarah Fergusson, she was on her way there and all of a sudden she had to go back because she had forgotten something. What was that call she had? This is very interesting indeed and a quick way to get rich and a quick way to get a lot of our young boys killed in places they had no need to be! Some of them will always suffer for what they've gone through in Iraq and now Afghanistan. And for what? A terrorist attack that wasn't?

Bush and the FBI and CIA have a lot to answer for as I would put the blame on them and no one else and Bush SR who said that there were signs of implements of Mass Destruction in Iraq and he wanted to finish the job there and then, but was told no, so his son did it years later. Like Father Like Son? You tell me?

Thank you Susanne for fwding this to me and Thank you Carole for telling me why my son had to suffer after he came home from the Gulf.

. (0)
Tuesday March 9, 2010, 9:33 pm
Thanks for all the information and links! Have been doing lots of reading on this today, eyes are kinda blurry right now. Anyway, some interesting points have been made. Certainly the way the buildings came down deserves a more thorough investigation. There are many things that don't make sense with the "official" story, so I remain open to other possible explanations.

One thing that struck me, was Bush's reaction on that day when he was notified of the attacks. If you recall, he was at an elementary school in Florida reading "The Pet Goat" with the kids. When Andrew Card tells him about the first plane and later the second one, there is no reaction from Bush. Even a regular person upon hearing this news would do or say something, and surely the leader of a country under attack would excuse himself from the school children and go where he could be further briefed (at least). Bush's non-reaction could be one that someone would have if they already EXPECTED something to happen. Perhaps he wasn't just "indecisive"..... hmmmm....

Frank G (211)
Tuesday March 9, 2010, 10:02 pm
Let me add my support here for the 911 truth-seekers, who I believe are for the most part honest and well-meaning individuals. JohnMichael is an good example. The arguments and counter-arguments are way too technical for me to arrive at a definitive conclusion. But I will say, after assessing the evidence, that the controlled demolition case seems more credible to me than the claim that plane impacts and fires brought down the towers.

The most telling issue to me remains the unprecedented nature of the collapses. The jets struck at two entirely different angles on each building, one of them striking obliquely near a corner. The jet fuel itself burned up within ten minutes, and the subsequent fires fueled only by office materials evidently were relatively cool-burning. Many skyscrapers have suffered far more extensive, hotter and longer-burning fires, yet none before has ever collapsed due to fire. And the collapses certainly had the appearance of controlled demolitions. Yet, in spite of all this, I'm supposed to believe that 9-11 was the first and second ever top-down collapse of a skyscraper and the first and second ever collapse of a skyscraper due to fire. And then WTC 7 collapsed even more mysteriously in a way that again mirrored a controlled demolition.

Yes, I've read some of the government-sanctioned explanations for its version of 9-11 (as well as some of the rebuttals). But they sound ad hoc to me, tailored to fit the presumed course of events, too dismissive of contrary evidence. I haven't heard a good explanation of why the collapses so defy precedence. Some of the older claims of truthers have been refuted to be sure, but too much remains unexplained, in my opinion.

There is also plenty of evidence of a cover-up, which has been decried by the leading fire engineering journal as well as many other leading forensic experts and officials. The material evidence was quickly scrapped and melted down with minimal examination - a crime in itself. Black boxes are designed to withstand enormous forces and are almost always recovered intact from the most devastating crashes, but we are supposed to believe that ALL FOUR of them were utterly consumed on 9-11. Notwithstanding the fact that two rescue workers on the scene have testified to having seen three of these black boxes recovered - and then been threatened to keep their mouths shut about it.

I am certainly prepared to believe in a U.S. government cover-up, because I know that the deliberate nature of the treacherous Israeli attack on the U.S.S. Liberty in 1967 is still being officially covered-up, despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary. In that case, legitimacy for the truth was eventually provided when leading U.S. military officials stepped forth (with the Moorer Commission Report) and simply stated what had been clear to impartial investigators all along.

Not that an airtight account of 9-11 has been adduced by truthers either, but there is at least plenty of reason to carry out a real investigation, one that includes highly skeptical individuals.

James W (10)
Tuesday March 9, 2010, 10:30 pm
This is scary! Thanks for the post. I read quite a lot of the info and there is a lot of questions to be answered!!

Susanne OFFLINE (23)
Tuesday March 9, 2010, 11:35 pm
This was certainly highly interesting to follow all your opinions & statements towards this issue of great importance! I´d wish i could contribute, but your knowledge is far bigger than mine, so i just have to thank you all for having brought this urgent matter up for discussion!

. (0)
Tuesday March 9, 2010, 11:43 pm
Everybody should flag Pomma R, but here is an answer for him/her/troll...

Do you guys think Bush planned and carried out the 9/11 Attacks?

No. Bush did nothing, except perghaps prove his incompetence and give himself an alabi. He did not move to protect his country and people. He sat there like the marionette puppet that he is in a school classroom in Florida waiting for someone to tell him what to do. He and his neo-con inner circle did, however, seize upon 9/11 to foster their political agenda: The Project for the New American Century _ Rebuilding America's Defences (PNAC), published in 2000. He and his cabinet also did everything possible to thwart a truly independent investigation. We do note that "incompetence" and "lack of resources" then became the convenient official excuse for increasing defense spending, homeland security, increased surveillance of civilians, etc.


How could such a conspiracy have been successfully carried out by the notoriously incompetent officials of the Bush administration?

Cultivating chaos is a time-honored method of advancing anti-democratic agendas, as described by Naomi Klein in The Shock Doctrine. 2 The invasions and occupations of Iraq and Afghanistan have been extremely lucrative for Bush administration cabinet officials, many of whom have strong ties to the oil and weapons industries. 3 Average profits for the Big Five oil companies doubled from 2000 to 2007, and awards to the top ten Pentagon contractors increased 75% between 2001 and 2003. 4 5 In carrying out its Constitutional responsibilities to the people, the Bush administration was indeed utterly incompetent. In enriching its insiders and their cronies and evading criminal accountability for its acts it couldn't have been more competent.


Past Member (0)
Tuesday March 9, 2010, 11:44 pm
Regardles,My elders tell me to pray for every continent on the face of our beloved Mother earth,.that man will wake-up to her cries and hear her songs...Songs for the spirit and bring new life to every corner of the Earth.Man is only part of the sacred circle of life,he is not above Nature..

Rameshchandra Verma (1589)
Wednesday March 10, 2010, 12:03 am
Thanks dear friend, noted

Wednesday March 10, 2010, 12:10 am
one day some one with courage and a disregard for heir life cause they will be killed will spill the whole mess cpr

Wednesday March 10, 2010, 12:12 am
look at evidence do u think a jetliner went thru that tiny hole in the pentgon well neither do i cpr

Henriette Matthijssen (154)
Wednesday March 10, 2010, 2:41 am
All those that lost their lives that day on 9/11 are now spirits & know the truth! We have ever lasting life as we are all souls. It was no accident, it was planned but not the way they wants us to believe! As long as it takes, the truth will surface as good always overcomes evil! And evil men were in the mix. Thanks Carol for bringing this to light! It is now a hot topic & we are ready to get the truth & nothing less..

. (0)
Wednesday March 10, 2010, 3:12 am
Carole said: "J-M has devoted his LIFE to 9-11 truth! I can't think of anyone I personally know, especially at his young age, who has been more devoted -- obsessed -- with uncovering the facts about this horrific experience.

He is, without doubt, my "go to" person for any questions I have on the subject.

[And . . . I now stand to applaud him!]"

Thanks, but actually I devoted my life to the goddess Veritas long before September 11th 2001. She has taught me more than just this one subject. :) :) :)

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Wednesday March 10, 2010, 4:03 am

Well said, J-M.

Abdessalam Diab (145)
Wednesday March 10, 2010, 4:33 am
Noted. Thanks Carol.I'll be back soon.

Simon Wood (207)
Wednesday March 10, 2010, 4:57 am
Let's democratise the USA - make it what it claims to be: democratic.

. (0)
Wednesday March 10, 2010, 6:08 am
Russian TV on 911 Ballot Rejection: IS US Democracy Becoming Hypocrisy ?

. (0)
Wednesday March 10, 2010, 6:09 am
Russian TV on 911 Ballot Rejection: IS US Democracy Becoming Hypocrisy ?

. (0)
Wednesday March 10, 2010, 6:19 am
Tell you what you need to do Pomma. Get busy on being the first person to write a refutation of the 4 papers and letters challenging the official version of events that were published in US science journals in 2008 and 2009 You might need to lay off the caps lock though.

A Guide to the 9/11 Whistleblowers

Luisa Fox (144)
Wednesday March 10, 2010, 6:43 am

Is the United States a democracy?
Off topic and for the record Simon, the United States is a Republic

The United States is, indeed, a republic, not a democracy. Accurately defined, a democracy is a form of government in which the people decide policy matters directly--through town hall meetings or by voting on ballot initiatives and referendums. A republic, on the other hand, is a system in which the people choose representatives who, in turn, make policy decisions on their behalf. The Framers of the Constitution were altogether fearful of pure democracy. Everything they read and studied taught them that pure democracies "have ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention; have ever been found incompatible with personal security or the rights of property; and have in general been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their deaths" (Federalist No. 10).
In the United States we choose represenatives to speak for us. And all these townhall meetings and other shows of political input are really for naught.

Herein is the rub. We either change this Republic/Democracy from the bottom by kicking out every bastard in Congress and the Senate, electing people who will represent our wishes, or we quick whinning about it.


John Farnham (52)
Wednesday March 10, 2010, 8:58 am
Pomma F with 0 credibility.
Are you the best that the 101st Fighting Keyboarders can come up with to try and disrupt this thread ?

I was following an Aussie in '04 who had posted a video on YouTube in '02 dissing 9/11 as planned : Rabbitvoz. His blog disappeared and some connected links poisoned with malware which dynamited Windows systems into oblivion. I refuse to credit known liars and genocidal murders with restraint about killing their own. Many today have little idea how extensive the perversion of history and reporting has been during our whole lives.

Want a 'Heads Up' ? Track the story of the USS Liberty and Admiral McCain's chicanery killing coverage. LBJ could not let Americans know Israelis attacked American servicemen. It would have been political suicide to oppose the Israel Lobby.

I still don't post some of the juiciest sources online : editors of those blogs all too aware of what happens to noisemakers.
I still don't know why aka oldephartteintraining was archiveded... though violation of TOS is not specific. Scholars and Rogues went to independent hosting the week before because of the loss of sources like Dissident...without a trace.
It's not hard to find 9/11 believers. Ahmadinejad even joined the parade ! It's ludicrous to not even realize that 'asking for an investigation' is like 'asking for a whitewash.' The guilty have too much power over communications to be challenged in straightforward fashion.
'Security' simply can slap a 'Secret' tag on something and it is unavailable.

Luisa F.
The people of Canada effectively 'disappeared' the ruling Progressive Conservatives when they ran on NAFTA . Our history starts with four decades of fighting against it...starting in 1867. Canadians know,for instance, that farmers at the end of the supply chain with a short growing season cannot compete 'on a level playing field' with subsidized 'food'.
The 'Opposition' ( an 'in' joke ) carried out the program which had been on Nelson Rockefeller's desk at the C.I.A. in 1945 as part of the 'To Do' list.
The Wikipedia entry of political systems I hew closest to in analysis is the same as for the UK and here : kleptocracy.

Blogwhoring again : but the research needs to be used for those who won't Search
Here's another index

Arielle S (313)
Wednesday March 10, 2010, 9:38 am
I'm also angry that more people aren't outraged.... why not? why the heck not?
Kudos to Carole and JohnMichael for keeping us informed - but the more we know, the scarier it gets, doesn't it?

Luisa Fox (144)
Wednesday March 10, 2010, 9:43 am
Dave Kane wrote:

US official quoted in Carl Cameron's Fox News report on the Israeli spy ring.
Dave, this is one of the problems, we dare point fingers at an Israeli spy ring and all hell breaks loose. All of a sudden you're a truther wing nut, antisemitic, and any other know epitaph that can be possibly hurled at you. I have posted this story on other forums and every centrist and righty comes out branding me a Nazi and jew hater. In effect, questioning 9/11 is not easy by any stretch of the imagination.

Having said this, we have to continue to press forward about 9/11 regardless of the insequences...

Luisa Fox (144)
Wednesday March 10, 2010, 9:48 am

We must continue pressing forward abolut 9/11 regardless of the consequences...

Yu L (41)
Wednesday March 10, 2010, 10:31 am
thank you so much for sharing

Dave Kane (308)
Wednesday March 10, 2010, 11:38 am
I just can't understand the ignorant, blind, strupitity pdf the so-called 'protectorrs;' Of ouir society. Can yo Uanswer this quwery?.

Sharon Balloch (127)
Wednesday March 10, 2010, 12:17 pm
Good luck finding out what really happened . I am still waiting to hear who really shot Kennedy,, ..but best of luck to you, I did watch the program with the plane flying over and got to say it looked like a no brainer.. somebody was telling lies.. yikes.

Yvonne White (229)
Wednesday March 10, 2010, 1:17 pm
Anyone Interested in Learning more about 9/11 & Truth should join us at: 9/11 Conspiracy!!! lots of Great Info!

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Wednesday March 10, 2010, 2:18 pm
For those of you who've seen the 911 film, "Loose Change," this 2-part video should show how savvy our young people have become:
ABC vs. Loose Change - Part I
ABC vs. Loose Change - Part II
Loose Change (2nd Edition)

Moira P (0)
Wednesday March 10, 2010, 2:29 pm
Utterly shocking and disgusting! May the complete truth find it's way out into the clear lighy of day!

Ian MacLeod (79)
Wednesday March 10, 2010, 2:57 pm
I just submitted a long post and it never showed.


Carole Sarcinello (338)
Wednesday March 10, 2010, 3:00 pm

I'm so sorry, Ian. That's been happening a lot lately. (I've even gotten to the point that, if I write in any detail, I do so first in Notepad or my personal email, so that I can copy/paste if necessary.)

Helen Le (0)
Wednesday March 10, 2010, 3:16 pm

Cary Mostly-Away (94)
Wednesday March 10, 2010, 3:26 pm
American citizens have been dumbed down for many decades
in preparation for their devious acts along the way.
It's hard to accept the fact for some that we have been duped
our whole lives because it started before we were born.
Talk about being dumbed down- heck, half the people in the States don't
even know where Canada is, let alone certain Provinces up here.
You could tell them we are your neighbors to the north
and they would say "what north, north of what". How can one expect these people
to know anything besides their programmed opinion.
These people are so self absorbed in their own lives they actually believe the nightly news as facts.

The news we are fed comes from CFR members like Rupert Murdock, Ted Turner and others
who own the news stations,who have an obvious agenda to sell papers, stories, etc, for higher
ratings which brings in more PROFITS. That should be easy enough to understand but still
the public is blind deaf and dumb to the realities going on right in front of them.

Some people still think the United Nations is a peace keepers mission but in reality
it is the worst of the worst looking to be the cops of the world,
that is if we agree to pay them a carbon tax.
Like pigs at the troff gobbling up all the money they can get before one of the other thugs gets it first.
Obama had a chance to set things right for humanity but they got to him and made sure he played
by his controllers rules- a real sell out, but it has kept him alive so far. (remember JFK)
This corruption goes deeper than most could ever imagine, but its all true, just open your
fricken eyes and look around and you will see it hiding in plain site.
If you can face the fact that we have been programmed ( heavily since the 50's )
through the TV set networks who are all CFR members who call ALL the shots in our lives.
The biggest thieves who scam the most money from it's citizens are the ones who get elevated
to the top of the cabol rating system. These ego maniacs have nothing else to do but try to seek
even more power because they already have most of the worlds money in their front pockets.
The Constitution is toilet paper with the TWO party system, they just prop each other up in this corrupt system
and kick the can down the road 4 years at a time, but it always gets worse- doesn't it.
Have you figured it out yet. We are in the 11th hour in the planning of America's funeral.


Luisa Fox (144)
Wednesday March 10, 2010, 3:36 pm
Cary Vizzutti wrote:
The Constitution is toilet paper with the TWO party system, they just prop each other up in this corrupt system and kick the can down the road 4 years at a time, but it always gets worse- doesn't it. Have you figured it out yet. We are in the 11th hour in the planning of America's funeral.
You have a way with words Cary... Grimm scenario to say the least... I for one figured it out quite some time ago and like Mother Jones have been raising hell since.

Dave Kane (308)
Wednesday March 10, 2010, 3:42 pm
I think we all need a breakl:


Dave Kane (308)
Wednesday March 10, 2010, 4:10 pm

Jere W (9)
Wednesday March 10, 2010, 5:45 pm
Noted. So, just who can one trust anymore? Oh, I know, that invisible person called "nobody".

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Wednesday March 10, 2010, 5:46 pm
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Yulan Lawson (156)
Wednesday March 10, 2010, 6:09 pm
Noted and thanks for the post

debra k (11)
Wednesday March 10, 2010, 6:37 pm
noted and read

Linda M (0)
Wednesday March 10, 2010, 7:01 pm
quite interesting. i'm still not sure what to think so i'll research some more.

Matloob ul Hasan (81)
Wednesday March 10, 2010, 8:04 pm
Noted, thanks.

Alice B (241)
Wednesday March 10, 2010, 9:13 pm
NOTED!! As always, Just C., you are righteous with speaking truth re: the BIG LIARS. Readers - just think about this: WHY HAS THE GOVERNMENT KEPT THE 9/11 "GROUND ZERO" SITE SUCH A MESS FOR SO LONG? Because of the international propaganda value, that's why!! Tourists and financial-district workers pour through the gigantic Ground Zero subway station every single day - everyone is greeted by the constant reminders of "9/11." (And, all the workers who pass through this area and work in the area are constantly subjected to the poisons and toxins - but of course the mainstream media isn't allowed to discuss the scope and both short- and longterm effects of this!!) FEDS + BIG BIZ = BIG LIES. Period.

Dave Kane (308)
Wednesday March 10, 2010, 10:06 pm
you certainly can't trust the government -- : /

Edward Riordan (53)
Wednesday March 10, 2010, 10:36 pm
I have been tracking this story since day one, made up my mind of a cover- up within two weeks. However, I have never seen this much evidence in one place, just want to thank everyone for posting. I am still shocked by the magnitude of what people will do to get their way, in this case an otherwise unpopular war becomes popular. How very sad. And to think most people just don't care enough to pay attention, there was plenty of press that pointed to a conspiracy right after the tragedy. If the truth comes out at all, it will be in a place such as this, our government will never admit anything, they didn't after Kennedy, and they never will.

Yu L (41)
Thursday March 11, 2010, 10:02 am
thanks, whe shall never forget what happened

Alice B (241)
Thursday March 11, 2010, 10:09 am
Some ask if the USA is a "democracy" and sadly the answer is "YES" because of what 'democracy' really means, historically. Why did the USA slave-owning "founding fathers" [most of whom fathered many of their own slaves...] love the ancient Greek aristocracy 'democracy' model? Because in ancient Greece 'democracy' meant a SLAVE-OWNING ARISTOCRACY in which NO WOMEN GOT TO VOTE and the voting power was strictly controlled as a TOP-DOWN enterprise, slathered over with poetic hyprocrisies and philosophical rationalizations. SOUND FAMILIAR?!!!!

Elle J (276)
Thursday March 11, 2010, 12:23 pm
Noted! I seem to have more questions than answers about 9/11. I, too, have been in contact with J-M. I admire his tenacity tremendously. Carole and John Michael are to be commended for this story.

pam M (98)
Thursday March 11, 2010, 1:52 pm
Dave and Johnmichael: you've both done your homework. I've never really researched any data on the 9/11 attacks, but you've both stirred by curiosity. This article is noted!!!

Gloria L (58)
Thursday March 11, 2010, 2:19 pm
I have read this all. So much info in one place is so valuable. For those who doubt, this story was out and about with evidence at least 4 years ago. I saw it on DVD. I was somewhat sceptical but mostly in denial.There is just no question in my mind now. NONE. I will post as far and wide as I am able to. Unconditional Love to all of us and to our beloved country. Gloria

Sylvie M (46)
Thursday March 11, 2010, 6:17 pm
Ever since I've witnessed WTC 7 collapsing almost "live" on a local TV news network, I've felt there was something terribly wrong about the whole thing. I didn't realise immediately, but afterwards, I remember that the VERY, VERY FIRST thought which came to my mind, and which I said to my husband, while watching this WTC7 building go down (without closely listening by the flooding of audio commentaries from hundreds of sources, both from France and NYC, because all this day was full of such terrifying moments, it was impossible to "think rationally" in front of TV news, as I usually try to do...) was "hey, look, they've decided to demolish that tower, maybe it was a threat for the other buildings nearby". Why did this thought came to my mind? Because of many reports I had watched before, on cable channels such as NatGeo or Discovery, about companies performing controlled demolitions, but usually hired to blow up old casinos in Las Vegas.

Since this fateful minute, I have read & watched almost everything on the subject, from all sides.
I am NOT a "conspiracy theory freak" - I never had been before, and I've never become since.
But I've had "doubts" about 9/11.
Those doubts I cannot explain: there's dozens of questions, more or less technical, with no reasonable answers being supplied.
Just like many thousands of citizens all over the planet, including families and relatives of victims who are still fighting for Truth, I have these doubts, too numerous to be ignored.
I hope that someday, even if not in my lifetime, the Truth wins.

Abdessalam Diab (145)
Friday March 12, 2010, 5:32 am
The Five Dancing Israelis
Arrested On 9-11

As the world watched in disbelief and asked the question...

...Mossad operatives were seen dancing with joy.

A Mossad surveillance team made quite a public spectacle of themselves on 9-11.
The New York Times reported Thursday that a group of five men had set up video cameras aimed at the Twin Towers prior to the attack on Tuesday, and were seen congratulating one another afterwards. (1)

Police received several calls from angry New Jersey residents claiming "middle-eastern" men with a white van were videotaping the disaster with shouts of joy and mockery. (2)

"They were like happy, you know … They didn't look shocked to me" said a witness. (3)
[T]hey were seen by New Jersey residents on Sept. 11 making fun of the World Trade Center ruins and going to extreme lengths to photograph themselves in front of the wreckage. (4)

Witnesses saw them jumping for joy in Liberty State Park after the initial impact (5). Later on, other witnesses saw them celebrating on a roof in Weehawken, and still more witnesses later saw them celebrating with high fives in a Jersey City parking lot. (6)
"It looked like they're hooked in with this. It looked like they knew what was going to happen when they were at Liberty State Park." (7)

One anonymous phone call to the authorities actually led them to close down all of New York's bridges and tunnels. The mystery caller told the 9-1-1 dispatcher that a group of Palestinians were mixing a bomb inside of a white van headed for the Holland Tunnel. Here's the transcript from NBC News:
Dispatcher: Jersey City police.
Caller: Yes, we have a white van, 2 or 3 guys in there, they look like Palestinians and going around a building.
Caller: There's a minivan heading toward the Holland tunnel, I see the guy by Newark Airport mixing some junk and he has those sheikh uniform.
Dispatcher: He has what?
Caller: He's dressed like an Arab. (8)

(*Writer's note: Why would this mystery caller specifically say that these "Arabs" were Palestinians? How would he know that? Palestinians usually dress in western style clothes, not "sheikh uniforms")

Based on that phone call, police then issued a "Be-on-the-Lookout" alert for a white mini-van heading for the city's bridges and tunnels from New Jersey.
White, 2000 Chevrolet van with 'Urban Moving Systems' sign on back seen at Liberty State Park, Jersey City, NJ, at the time of first impact of jetliner into World Trade Center Three individuals with van were seen celebrating after initial impact and subsequent explosion. FBI Newark Field Office requests that, if the van is located, hold for prints and detain individuals. (9)
When a van fitting that exact description was stopped just before crossing into New York, the suspicious "middle-easterners" were apprehended. Imagine the surprise of the police officers when these terror suspects turned out to be Israelis!

According to ABC’s 20/20, when the van belonging to the cheering Israelis was stopped by the police, the driver of the van, Sivan Kurzberg, told the officers:
"We are Israelis. We are not your problem. Your problems are our problems. The Palestinians are your problem." (10)

Why did he feel Palestinians were a problem for the NYPD?

The police and FBI field agents became very suspicious when they found maps of the city with certain places highlighted, box cutters (the same items that the hijackers supposedly used), $4700 cash stuffed in a sock, and foreign passports. Police also told the Bergen Record that bomb sniffing dogs were brought to the van and that they reacted as if they had smelled explosives. (11)
The FBI seized and developed their photos, one of which shows Sivan Kurzberg flicking a cigarette lighter in front of the smouldering ruins in an apparently celebratory gesture. (12)

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The Jerusalem Post later reported that a white van with a bomb was stopped as it approached the George Washington Bridge, but the ethnicity of the suspects was not revealed. Here's what the Jerusalem Post reported on September 12, 2001:

American security services overnight stopped a car bomb on the George Washington Bridge. The van, packed with explosives, was stopped on an approach ramp to the bridge. Authorities suspect the terrorists intended to blow up the main crossing between New Jersey and New York, Army Radio reported. (13)
"...two suspects are in FBI custody after a truckload of explosives was discovered around the George Washington Bridge ... The FBI ... says enough explosives were in the truck to do great damage to the George Washington Bridge."

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It was reported the van contained tonnes of explosives (14).

What's really intriguing is that ABC's 20/20 (15), the New York Post (16), and the New Jersey Bergen Record (17) all clearly and unambiguously reported that a white van with Israelis was intercepted on a ramp near Route 3, which leads directly to the Lincoln Tunnel.

But the Jerusalem Post, Israeli National News (Arutz Sheva) (18), and Yediot America, (19) all reported, just as clearly and unambiguously, that a white van with Israelis was stopped on a ramp leading to the George Washington Bridge, which is several miles north of the Lincoln Tunnel.

It appears as if there may actually have been two white vans involved, one stopped on each crossing. This would not only explain the conflicting reports as to the actual location of the arrests, but would also explain how so many credible eye-witnesses all saw celebrating "middle-easterners" in a white van in so many different locations. It also explains why the New York Post and Steve Gordon (lawyer for the 5 Israelis) originally described how three Israelis were arrested but later increased the total to five.

Perhaps one van was meant to drop off a bomb while the other was meant to pick up the first set of drivers while re-crossing back into New Jersey? If a van was to be used as a parked time-bomb on the GW Bridge, then certainly the drivers would need to have a "get-away van" to pick them up and escape. And notice how the van (or vans) stayed away from the third major crossing -the Holland Tunnel- which was where the police had originally been directed to by that anti-Palestinian 9-1-1 "mystery caller". A classic misdirection play.

From there, the story gets becomes even more suspicious. The Israelis worked for a Weehawken moving company known as Urban Moving Systems. An American employee of Urban Moving Systems told the The Record of New Jersey that a majority of his co-workers were Israelis and they were joking about the attacks.
The employee, who declined to give his name said: "I was in tears. These guys were joking and that bothered me." These guys were like, "Now America knows what we go through." (20)

A few days after the attacks, Urban Moving System's Israeli owner, Dominick Suter, dropped his business and fled the country for Israel. He was in such a hurry to flee America that some of Urban Moving System's customers were left with their furniture stranded in storage facilities (21).
Suter's departure was abrupt, leaving behind coffee cups, sandwiches, cell phones and computers strewn on office tables and thousands of dollars of goods in storage. Suter was later placed on the same FBI suspect list as 9/11 lead hijacker Mohammed Atta and other hijackers and suspected al-Qaeda sympathizers, suggesting that U.S. authorities felt Suter may have known something about the attacks. (22)

The Jewish weekly The Forward reported that the FBI finally concluded that at least two of the detained Israelis were agents working for the Mossad, the Israeli intelligence agency, and that Urban Moving Systems, the ostensible employer of the five Israelis, was a front operation. This was confirmed by two former CIA officers, and they noted that movers' vans are a common intelligence cover. (23). The Israelis were held in custody for 71 days before being quietly released. (24)
"There was no question but that [the order to close down the investigation] came from the White House. It was immediately assumed at CIA headquarters that this basically was going to be a cover-up so that the Israelis would not be implicated in any way in 9/11." (25)
Several of the detainees discussed their experience in America on an Israeli talk show after their return home. Said one of the men, denying that they were laughing or happy on the morning of Sept. 11, "The fact of the matter is we are coming from a country that experiences terror daily. Our purpose was to document the event." (26)

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How did they know there would be an event to document on 9/11?

It doesn't take Sherlock Holmes to connect the dots of the dancing Israeli Mossad agents - here's the most logical scenario:
1. The Israeli "movers" cheered the 9-11 attacks to celebrate the successful accomplishment of the greatest spy operation ever pulled off in history.

2. One of them, or an accomplice, then calls a 9-1-1 police dispatcher to report Palestinian bomb-makers in a white van headed for the Holland Tunnel.

3. Having thus pre-framed the Palestinians with this phone call, the Israeli bombers then head for the George Washington Bridge instead, where they will drop off their time-bomb van and escape with Urban Moving accomplices.

4. But the police react very wisely and proactively by closing off ALL bridges and tunnels instead of just the Holland Tunnel. This move inadvertently foils the Israelis' misdirection play and leads to their own capture and 40 day torture.

5. To cover up this story, the U.S. Justice Department rounds up over 1000 Arabs for minor immigration violations and places them in New York area jails. The Israelis therefore become less conspicuous as the government and media can now claim that the Israelis were just immigration violators caught in the same dragnet as many other Arabs.

6. After several months, FBI and Justice Department "higher-ups" are able to gradually push aside the local FBI agents and free the Israelis quietly.

Osama bin Laden was immediately blamed for the 9/11 attacks even though he had no previous record of doing anything on this scale. Immediately after the Flight 11 hit World Trade Center 1
CIA Director George Tenet said "You know, this has bin Laden's fingerprints all over it." (27)

The compliant mainstream media completely ignored the Israeli connection. Immediately following the 9-11 attacks the media was filled with stories linking the attacks to bin Laden. TV talking-heads, "experts", and scribblers of every stripe spoon-fed a gullible American public a steady diet of the most outrageous propaganda imaginable.

We were told that the reason bin Laden attacked the USA was because he hates our "freedom" and "democracy". The Muslims were "medieval" and they wanted to destroy us because they envied our wealth, were still bitter about the Crusades, and were offended by Britney Spears shaking her tits and ass all over the place!

But bin Laden strongly denied any role in the attacks and suggested that Zionists orchestrated the
9-11 attacks. The BBC published bin Laden's statement of denial in which he said:
"I was not involved in the September 11 attacks in the United States nor did I have knowledge of the attacks. There exists a government within a government within the United States. The United States should try to trace the perpetrators of these attacks within itself; to the people who want to make the present century a century of conflict between Islam and Christianity. That secret government must be asked as to who carried out the attacks. ... The American system is totally in control of the Jews, whose first priority is Israel, not the United States." (28)

You never heard that quote on your nightly newscast did you?
[A] number of intelligence officials have raised questions about Osama bin Laden's capabilities. "This guy sits in a cave in Afghanistan and he's running this operation?" one C.I.A. official asked. "It's so huge. He couldn't have done it alone." A senior military officer told me that because of the visas and other documentation needed to infiltrate team members into the United States a major foreign intelligence service might also have been involved. (29)

Bin Laden is not named as the perpetrator of 9/11 by the FBI:

When asked why there is no mention of 9/11 on Bin Laden’s Most Wanted web page (30), [Rex Tomb, Chief of Investigative Publicity for the FBI] said, “The reason why 9/11 is not mentioned on Usama Bin Laden’s Most Wanted page is because the FBI has no hard evidence connecting Bin Laden to 9/11.” (31)
"So we've never made the case, or argued the case that somehow Osama bin Laden [sic] was directly involved in 9/11. That evidence has never been forthcoming" - Dick Cheney. (32)

To date, the only shred of “evidence” to be uncovered against bin Laden is a barely audible fuzzy amateur video that the Pentagon just happened to find "lying around" in Afghanistan. How very convenient, and how very fake. (33)

There is no evidence, be it hard or circumstantial, to link the Al Qaeda "terrorist network" to these acts of terror, but there is a mountain of evidence, both hard and circumstantial, which suggests that Zionists have been very busy framing Arabs for terror plots against America.
"I think there is very compelling evidence that at least some of the terrorists were assisted not just in financing -- although that was part of it -- by a sovereign foreign government ... It will become public at some point when it's turned over to the archives, but that's 20 or 30 years from now" - Senator Bob Graham. (34)

If the sovereign foreign government mentioned by Senator Graham was an enemy of the United States the "compelling evidence" would not be kept secret for 20+ years.

One final point; at 09:40 on 9-11 it was reported that the Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine claimed responsibility for the attacks (35). This claim was immediately denied by the DFLP leader Qais abu Leila who said it had always opposed "terror attacks on civilian targets, especially outside the occupied territories." (36)

Why would a Palestinian organisation comprising of less than 500 people (37) make the suicidal move of immediately claiming responsibility for the attacks?
Sharon and the other Israeli leaders aspire to fulfil what the goals of the political Zionist movement have been since its origin a century ago: to turn all of historic Palestine into an exclusively Jewish state. A central tenet of the Zionist ideology is expressed in the racist slogan, "A land without people for a people without a land." (38)

The implication of Palestinians in the 9/11 attacks would have handed Zionists a golden opportunity to achieve the above because all Palestinians would have been labelled terrorists.
"Evidence linking these Israelis to 9/11 is classified. I cannot tell you about evidence that has been gathered. It's classified information."

US official quoted in Carl Cameron's Fox News report on the Israeli spy ring.

Mossad Logo
"By way of deception, thou shalt do war"
Motto of the Mossad

Abdessalam Diab (145)
Friday March 12, 2010, 5:38 am


Cary Mostly-Away (94)
Friday March 12, 2010, 11:06 am
Several billion dollars worth of US news media BS
can't obscure fundamental reality.

Too bad for the new generation of fascists.


- Brasscheck

Judy Velsor (5)
Friday March 12, 2010, 8:58 pm
Now they say they asked for permits to bring them down before the 911 incident. How convenient that is / again.
To any or all Americans having any hand in that day. . . MAY YOU ROT IN AN ABYSS OF HELL FOREVER AND THEN SOME . . . jesus

Spencer Selander (8)
Saturday March 13, 2010, 4:32 am
Another great post, Carole. We need to keep exposing the lies of 9/11, until people can't deny the truth anymore.

Considering how good people are at denial, that may take awhile.

Miriam C. (0)
Saturday March 13, 2010, 6:08 am
Rudy Guliani, is a man for the people, I wished he was seen that way by the people. His heart and mind, are always looking to do good and right by everyone in his care. G-D has given this man great strength and moves with him in all he does. Like King David, this man goes to G-D. We all make mistakes even when we are trying to do good. It is harder, to do every thing right when you have to delegate authority, to other that do not ....complete your orders. He stood up and pulled us back up at time we were at our lowest. Could you do that?

Cary Mostly-Away (94)
Saturday March 13, 2010, 10:10 am
Miriam..... ARE YOU KIDDING ME or yourself.
You have a lot of homework to do.

When I see footage of him wearing that "PDNY" baseball hat
all I see is " FONY "


Saturday March 13, 2010, 12:52 pm
There is WAY TOO MUCH the average American does not know about what has actually been done in and to America behind our backs. The trip down the rabbit hole is very painiful, however the TRUTH DOES SET US FREE.

I stand up and applaud JM too!! I also applaud Luke, Bruno, Katy, Jeremy, Mike, Ed, Don, Dustin, Stuart. Jonathan and so many, many others who are part of WAC. It is they who not only share the truth with everyone they can ,but they stand up and put their a$#es on the line for truth every day of their lives.

Yes, there is so much that has been kept hidden from the average American it is absolutely shocking. 9/11 as just the tip of the iceberg and only a symptom of what lies beneath. I'm actually shocked by the fact that many still appear to be walking around in a coma and don't have a clue about what has really taken place and why. Nothing is as we've been raised to believe. Whatever we thought we believed and/or were taught in school about our gov't and how our system works must be thrown out and replaced with TRUTH. There is not one system in America, whether it be our very fraudulent financial and banking system, the court system, and the gov't itself that operates in the manner in which we were taught they operate. Underlying everything is fraud, lies, deception and dis-info. Our entire school system has been designed to dumb everyone down so everyone will grow up unable to see the forest for the trees. Just the way the PTB want it to be.

This has gone on for over 100 years. The school system was hijacked sometime around the 60's. It takes a lot of endurance to take the trip down the rabbit hole and discover the truth, but it is worth it. A constitutional republic is the BEST form of government for an EDUCATED population and the WORST kind of government for an UNEDUCATED population. The required education should have begun for all of us 30 years ago, but it's never too late to start. The best way to find true sanity is to find TRUTH. The myths that have bound us must be shattered in favor of truth and justice.

Yes,in the case of the way our world is today, the truth is very painful, but at the end of the day finding it is more than worth it. It's not hard to find truth when one makes a conscious decision to seek it. Truth is REAL and has a life of it's own. Many can work double time to hide it, but the truth will shine through because it is the one thing that is not an illusion like everything else, and truth is the only thing that can break through the wall of illusion we have lived with for way too long!


Barbara W (342)
Saturday March 13, 2010, 1:15 pm
You cannot currently send a star to Just because you have done so within the last week.

Past Member (0)
Friday March 19, 2010, 1:35 pm
If all of this is true everyone needs to be put into JAIL TODAy and that is a fact.

Merry L (74)
Friday March 26, 2010, 7:55 pm
Carole- Thank you for posting this and thanks to all those who have commented with information and insight. I have really learned a lot. Much appreciated.

Past Member (0)
Saturday April 3, 2010, 8:37 am

There is NO EXCUSE
why the USA




the TRUTH OF 9-11!!!


Past Member (0)
Saturday April 3, 2010, 1:19 pm


WE CAN NOT TOLERATE USA TERRORISM whether orchestrated against NY, or ANY one INDIVIDUAL...
NOR against ANY NATION!!!

thank You Just C. for your dedication... alongside others of YOU I have known some time now,


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