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How Lethally Stupid Can One Country Be?

US Politics & Gov't  (tags: Bushco, Iraq, War, corruption, lies, fearmongering, ignorance )

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Presidents and prime ministers will lie their countries into war -- but why do We the People keep buying it? Watching George W. Bush in operation these last couple of weeks is like having an out-of-body experience. On acid. During a nightmare.


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Carole Sarcinello (338)
Friday March 28, 2008, 6:51 am

"This week, a man died in France, the last surviving veteran of World War I, a devastating conflict that -- even a century later -- nobody can really explain to this day. Meanwhile, Dick Cheney, John McCain and Joe "Make-me-SecDef-Mac-oh-please-pick-me-Mac" Lieberman parachuted into Iraq for photo-ops to sustain the war they don't have the integrity or the guts to abandon. Never mind that their visits had to be by surprise, and that they stroll around the Green Zone wearing armored vests -- surely the most powerful measures of the war's success imaginable. Of course, to be fair, we've only been at it for five years now. Perhaps after the remaining 95 on McCain's agenda go by, Americans will finally be safe enough in Iraq to announce their visits in advance."

Bill McGlone (103)
Friday March 28, 2008, 7:11 am
We operate from the belief that people can be as "stupid as we want to be".The problem being that "our stupidity" hurts others more then ourselves. Perhaps lobotomy can still be a viable option to "chronic stupidity". What say you?????

Past Member (0)
Friday March 28, 2008, 7:15 am
good one Carole Will send it out
Thank you

Tom M (814)
Friday March 28, 2008, 7:38 am
Thanks Carole!

Pamela Salomon (255)
Friday March 28, 2008, 7:42 am
Thanks Carole, noted. That was a great article. The writer really hit it on the head he is from Hofstra U. It is a very good school. My sister in-law went there.

Past Member (0)
Friday March 28, 2008, 7:56 am
Thanks Carole for the e mail. Yes, everyone should read this. Another great article by you..Noted.

Tim Redfern (581)
Friday March 28, 2008, 8:08 am
So, happy anniversary, America! You put these people in charge, and then -- after seeing in explicit in detail what they were capable of -- you actually did it again in 2004! You stood by in silence watching the devastation wrought upon an innocent people, produced in your name and financed by your tax dollars. And you continue to do just that again, now in Year Six.

This is an excellent article, and a great read,
but the author starts from an incorrect assumption,
that being that "We" elected GWB & Co. in 2000 and
2004, This ignores the fact that BOTH elections were
Having said that, let me make another point:
People all over the world are no doubt wondering
why we don't (the American people) don't do something
to get that bunch the hell out of the White House.
Some of them understand, many others do not, that many
of us are doing everything we can to get them out of
there, BUT, there's only so much we can do! When they
have all the power, and the people are essentially in
slavery, there really is only so much we can do.
Darth Cheney REALLY let his true colors show last Sunday.
During an interview, he was informed that 67% of the
American people are opposed to the war. Cheney's one word
answer was,
In a single one-word, two-letter response, this sonofabitch
let the WHOLE WORLD see the depth of his arrogance. THIS ALONE
should tell the world how impotent we Americans are to remove
this crime family from power. Bush and Cheney honestly do
not give a tinker's damn what ANYONE thinks about the war,
because they have the power and if they want the war to continue,
then it will continue.
Who will ever be able to stop them?

Thank you, *C*!

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Friday March 28, 2008, 8:13 am

I hear ya, my friend. But, this article (IMO) was really addressed to those people out there who actually DID vote for Bush (both times) and are planning to vote for McCain. I know it's hard for us to believe (since I don't know anyone who will admit to voting for Bush *LOL*) -- but some people DID!

Thanks, Tim.

Nancy Gray (35)
Friday March 28, 2008, 8:31 am
You are so funny on the who actually voted for him... but what do we know anymore? Or did we ever? I really worry about the ones saying, oh well only a few months more... while the war drums grow louder and we lose rights we didn't even know we had before they took them away...
Not for a minute have I believed McCain is really the puppets' choice for next president...just a diversionary tactic? buy time... but I haven't figured out who will get popped in at just the "right" time (no pun intended) Either Newt, or he's getting the platform in position while people are not paying attention or distracted elsewhere... James Carville and Mary M. are moving to LA...aren't even waiting for Republs to "win" this time, before getting out of townWhat's that mean???.

Alf I (246)
Friday March 28, 2008, 8:52 am
I stopped watching tv a while ago when I realised it is just a marketing tool for the elite. You can't trust anything they say on the tv anymore.

Carolyn T (234)
Friday March 28, 2008, 8:57 am
Noted. And today U.S. fighter planes bombed Basrah. A nightmare in a nightmare...and Mr. Bush is speaking this very moment of "even-handed justice"--my stomach is in a knot and my mind recoils. Why would he think "the Iraquis should believe their government is "even handed'...sure, like they can look to ours for an example!!!! Lethally betcha'!

Nancy Gray (35)
Friday March 28, 2008, 9:04 am
Hey Alf, what can you trust? Actually I still watch C-Span, some things on PBS and find them worthwhile...
And yes, Carolyn I'm gagging as I watch him, whine and wheedle...

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Friday March 28, 2008, 9:12 am

I enjoy watching television, but I have learned to have "selective hearing (deafness)" during commercials and any mainstream news discussing national events. It's only dangerous if you start believing all the pharma ads and don't realize the newscasters and and their coverage are "insulting nuisances."

I think I've gotten even better at this "zoning out" stuff since I moved in with my roommate, who is a die-hard O'Reilly/Fux News fan. (I know, but don't pity me too much! LOL)

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Friday March 28, 2008, 9:13 am

BTW, Nancy, he has a 13-year old daughter who's exposed to his programming. Is that considered "child abuse?"

Nancy Gray (35)
Friday March 28, 2008, 9:21 am
OMG O'Reilly? Isn't that domestic abuse?
Yes exposure of his programming to his daughter is child abuse...when CA/N is defined as any action that harms or fails to protect from harm a child less than 18 years of age...but remember child abuse is intergenerational and there's a long history there.

Tim Redfern (581)
Friday March 28, 2008, 9:23 am
Carole, I feel your pain, my friend.
My roommate keeps "News for Dumb Fux"
playing 24/7......
which is why I'm usually in the computer
room with music playing LOUD!

They Distort~~You Get Lies!

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Friday March 28, 2008, 9:23 am

BTW = By the way.

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Friday March 28, 2008, 9:24 am

Okay, Tim, then you know what I'm talking about. LOL

Carolyn T (234)
Friday March 28, 2008, 9:26 am
"C"--that comment is a hoot! It might be child endangerment!, LOL.

I had to switch over to something else for background as I work away---what an embarrassment and affrontary that this amoral buffoon is still in office! He actually said, "we are withdrawing troops" in response to the question....he just didn't say we were on the verge of withdrawing them from Iraq to Iran or whatever other target this 'War' president fixates on next.

Nancy Gray (35)
Friday March 28, 2008, 9:27 am
oh.... just call this my dumbed down day...
guess I have a lot to be grateful for... poverty has its upside... I live alone!!!!

Carol L (190)
Friday March 28, 2008, 9:51 am
Noted with thanks.

Bill McGlone (103)
Friday March 28, 2008, 10:40 am
Does anyone but me have the feeling that Bush and company just might not relinquish "power" after the election.Perhaps a coup d'e-tat?

Ben O (140)
Friday March 28, 2008, 10:49 am
"Brilliant! Put on your party hat, America. You won the prize."

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Friday March 28, 2008, 10:50 am

Well, although he thinks the Constitution is "just a piece of paper," he can't force us to put up with him for more than two terms. Besides, if he tried, I believe that would be the last straw for all those people who are just biding their time, twiddling their thumbs, waiting for him to leave.

Marla de Vries (846)
Friday March 28, 2008, 11:28 am
Noted ! Thanks Carole !

Dana H (229)
Friday March 28, 2008, 12:03 pm
noted _ tyvm carol for this story and for all the valuable comments that makes one think about the big picture here. Dana~.~

Jim P (3247)
Friday March 28, 2008, 12:32 pm
Thanks for the article. Great comments. I learn something new almost daily now about what bush, cheney and the neo-cons have done to this country, not good at all. A recent decision by the Supreme Court made me ill... again...

TY, Just C.

Tim Redfern (581)
Friday March 28, 2008, 1:43 pm
Bill, your comment is the 8000 pound
elephant in the room, and I'm really
glad someone mentioned it.
There ARE some rumors going around,
mostly on shortwave radio, that Bushco
will stage another 9-11 between
now and November; that Bush will declare
Natl.Emergency/Martial Law, cancel the
elections, and try to stay in office
Of course there's absolutely NO way of
corroborating these rumors, and all we
can do is sit and wait and see.

Daniel Barker (35)
Friday March 28, 2008, 2:09 pm
What are you doing about it? You say we are at war because of Iraq. Why do people continue to buy SUVs and eat too much meat? Some of you have written me you ride the train.

The NRDC has pointed out that we are dependent on petroleum even accounting for growth, in fact, the NRDC has reported increase consumptio of petroleum when population has decreased, this is becasue nieghborhoods are designed for vehicles.

Her Royal Highness of New York supported the war two years ago more than the president. As long as she represents the Democratic Party, the party supports and endorses the war.

Michael Sandstrom (306)
Friday March 28, 2008, 2:24 pm
TY Carole, I hear and see a lot of people complaining. Are they willing to do something about it? I have put in for my vacation for the week of July 4th. I am getting ready to March to the White House and let them know my feelings, anybody wanna join???

Teresa Fazackerley (395)
Friday March 28, 2008, 4:20 pm

Jackie H (96)
Friday March 28, 2008, 5:19 pm
Noted Thanks....:)

Friday March 28, 2008, 6:22 pm
Thanks Carole.........Every Republican we know admits being very sorry, some actually admit shame for having voted for dubya.... However, truth be told, we now have a "one party system" PRETENDING to be 2.For those who know some of what is really going on but not all, check this out while it's still there:

Let me warn you in advance, this is NOT for the faint of heart. The above link will take you to an interview with Leo Zagami, the former Prince of the Illuminati and who was groomed to become King of the Illuminati until he simply could not stand the horror of evil being perpetrated any longer. (Short version of story). Below is the link to his website. All I can say is this stuff is a real eye opener and should be passed on far and wide.


Friday March 28, 2008, 6:24 pm
And there is this one too:

Also not for the faint of heart!!!

Mary M (20)
Friday March 28, 2008, 7:58 pm
Noted, thanks so much C.

Past Member (0)
Friday March 28, 2008, 9:06 pm
This is what is sick!
It's time to grow up and stop bashing Bush. What are the L.L. Lefties going to do if they gain the White House? Are they going to ask the insurgency against peace to tea? lol.

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Friday March 28, 2008, 9:20 pm


Lena, hopefully, he will be in prison . . .

And I don't "do" prison for tea!


Carole Sarcinello (338)
Friday March 28, 2008, 9:23 pm

(Just wondering if she actually thinks he's for peace.)

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Friday March 28, 2008, 9:25 pm

Oh! Sorry, Lena. It's about Canadian seals! Sorry . . . I was actually concerned about humans! (silly me)

Barry Seth (118)
Friday March 28, 2008, 10:11 pm
Thanks Carole

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Friday March 28, 2008, 10:50 pm

Thanks for noting, Barry!

Sandra M Z (114)
Friday March 28, 2008, 11:52 pm
Another great article Carole! The U.S. takes the cake, that's for sure! Doubtful there will be any left for us to eat though...........noted!
Also agree all T.V. news and most mainstream shows are propoganda. Most people emulate everything they think they believe from watching this drivel. It's so easy to pick up on the blatent subliminal(not) messages if you aren't tuned in, but they know the masses are very naive and pliable. I find I don't even need T.V. anymore, all the REAL news I want is on here! I do as Carole, it's in the background almost mute, and if something actually looks like something, I turn on the sound for that brief moment of "something"!

Peace Monger (185)
Saturday March 29, 2008, 1:45 am
I think I would prefer acid to watching the continued nefarious actions of Bu$h&Co.

Scott Shaubel (816)
Saturday March 29, 2008, 5:09 am

Being a silent member of this planet, is like a bird in a cat's mouth.

You're sure you are going to die, should you just give up,

and wait to be eaten, or should you try to escape...

I'm escaping,.. any way possible,..I'm not giving up,

I'm not getting eaten.

- No Fear,.. that is their only tool, its all mental,.. get conscious.

Bill McGlone (103)
Saturday March 29, 2008, 5:13 am
Scott: I'm comin wit ya.......

Scott Shaubel (816)
Saturday March 29, 2008, 6:30 am
Great quote Victoria

POWER TO THE PEOPLE! "Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety". `Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759

Victoria Chapman (53)
Saturday March 29, 2008, 6:43 am
Scott, you beat me to my post - LOL! Time to take charge and start watching the watchers and utilize our power and the laws to take back control before we all wind up under Martial Law. Remember, everything Hitler did was legal too...

"The smallest minority on earth is the individual. Those who deny individual rights cannot claim to be defenders of minorities." - Ayn Rand

"First They Came for the Jews"
By Pastor Niemoller
First they came for the Jews and I did not speak out because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for the Communists and I did not speak out because I was not a Communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists and I did not speak out because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for me and there was no one left to speak out for me.


Carole Sarcinello (338)
Saturday March 29, 2008, 6:53 am

Victoria, YES -- excellent quote!

Past Member (0)
Saturday March 29, 2008, 6:54 am
I suspect that maybe Dubya has a 'minor' problem... When Oz P.M. Rudd fronted up at the Whitehouse yesterday, to inform him of the imminent Oz troop withdrawal from Iraq...He proudly announced to the world That 'Australia's withrawal signified a successful operation concluded ...Therefore the 'suuuuuuuuurge is a success'!!!!...So there you are...No one really has a problem...Halleluja!

Marian E (152)
Saturday March 29, 2008, 11:42 am

I'd like to make it even more successful and bring home the U.S.
troops David.

Thank you Carole.

Past Member (0)
Saturday March 29, 2008, 2:24 pm
Sorry Marian... Yes I was being a little one-eyed in my haste...The US troops, the lucky and the broken, and the Iraqi "colaterally damaged' civilians with no Medicare, medics or enough remaining hospitals to keep them alive...Leave the remaining known 'insurgents' behind..IF anyone can spot, or identify them as such in the crowd...Didn't seem a problem in the past!!!

Past Member (0)
Saturday March 29, 2008, 2:43 pm
Sleep well tonight Marian...With the knowledge that once the Australians have pulled out, there is less chance that your 'boys' will fall victim to as much 'colateral damage' or 'friendly fire'...I hope someone out there is recompiling a dictionary, inserting all these 'meaningfull' and wonderfully soothing words and phrases...Hey! aren't the spin doctors really cool dudes?...Where does it end?...Peace and love to all!...

Past Member (0)
Saturday March 29, 2008, 2:50 pm
Where to house the crippled masses?...I'm sure that there is plenty of room at Camp David...I'm also sure that George wouldn't mind spending a few years living under a tarpaulin?...I'm outa here!!! x

Bill McGlone (103)
Saturday March 29, 2008, 2:55 pm
I wish everyone would stop moaning and bitching and come together,join the Revolution and throw ALL the bastards out.Now that "waterboarding" is "legal" we will find out the "truth" of what these "leaders have been up to all these years!!!!!!

Past Member (0)
Saturday March 29, 2008, 6:48 pm
Thanks Carole!
Also think, most of the politicians are just marionets.
When they are asked to jump, they need to ask: how high?, else they risk being shot, or whatever.
BTW ... although I know what it stands for in English, in Dutch it means Added Value Tax

Wolfweeps Pommawolf (251)
Saturday March 29, 2008, 6:59 pm

“A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government.” Edward Abbey
“It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong.” Voltaire quotes
The single most exciting thing you encounter in government is competence, because it's so rare.” Daniel P. Moynihan
“There's no trick to being a humorist when you have the whole government working for you” Will Rogers
“The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government - lest it come to dominate our lives and interests.” Patrick Henry


Carole Sarcinello (338)
Saturday March 29, 2008, 7:01 pm


I've just received info about an important petition in this regard:

Stop the Stop-Loss

For the past several years, the military has been using its stop-loss policy as a backdoor draft. This policy involuntarily extends service members' enlistment contracts, thereby preventing them from leaving the military -- or coming home from Iraq or Afghanistan -- after their term of enlistment has ended.

This policy is devastating to our soldiers' mental health, to their morale, and to their families. Some are forced to stay overseas for much longer than they had originally signed up for, while others are being sent back to a war zone after having returned to civilian life. This stop-loss policy is not in keeping with the concept of an all-volunteer military.

As Senator John Kerry noted in 2004, "People serving beyond the time of their voluntary service are no longer volunteers." Our military men and women are bravely serving their country -- many of them despite objections to the war to which they have been deployed -- and their service contracts should be honored. They deserve to come home to their families and attempt to rebuild their lives without the fear of being sent back into harm's way.

Please sign this petition to Secretary of Defense Robert Gates calling on him to end the military's stop-loss policy. We'll deliver your signatures to the Department of Defense.
Full Petition Text:

Dear Secretary Gates,

Please reconsider the stop-loss policy that is currently in effect. Forcing our military men and women to serve beyond the time for which they enlisted and preventing them from returning home from overseas war zones is detrimental to the morale of the troops and to their families and communities at home. This stop-loss policy is akin to a draft, as it is contrary to the concept of an all-volunteer military.

We call on you to honor your end of these enlistment contracts and fully release members of the military when their original term of enlistment -- the term to which they agreed when they signed up to serve our country -- has ended.

P.S. I've signed and encourage other U.S. citizens to do the same. Thanks.

Bill McGlone (103)
Saturday March 29, 2008, 8:01 pm
Thanx Carole..member of CREDO/Working Assets and just signed on to Stop/Loss petition...

Nancy Gray (35)
Sunday March 30, 2008, 8:37 am
Thanks Carole, but I think the fine print in the military contract actually does provide for the stop-loss. On the other hand the petition is still a good idea to get the point across how inhumane it is... along with so many other inhumanities being committed in the name of spreading democracy... did you happen to pick up on the latest afflicting the soldiers...blindness from the shock that happens to the brain when near a blast... all makes me so sick...

Genna B (58)
Tuesday April 1, 2008, 10:35 am
thank u carole...noted, and signed my friend...I am so sad at the truth of just how ridiculous this all really really is. Peace-and love...what a concept

Wolfweeps Pommawolf (251)
Wednesday April 2, 2008, 2:22 pm
All petitions signed at Credo

Elle J (276)
Friday April 11, 2008, 4:00 pm
Noted!Thanks Carole better late than not at all. I am on my way to that site to sign the petitions at Credo. Hope they are still available.

Bill McGlone (103)
Saturday April 12, 2008, 6:03 am
I believe the time has come for serious consideration of trying this administration for "war crimes" committed in the pursuit of power and money!!

Past Member (0)
Monday June 30, 2008, 6:58 pm
I agree. I hope Bush & CO watched the Nuremberg Trials, because this administration should be facing charges on that level.

Wendy Watson (55)
Monday November 3, 2008, 2:46 am
What a great artical. I can not stand to watch Bush, McCain and Company. They make me sick to my stomach. Their ignorance, greed, lack of knowlege, their criminal actions, etc.. They have commited the 7 sins.
Control needs to be taken away form them and put back into the hands of the majority.
We are a suppressed people and country.
Change our way of thinking and unify against them.
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