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Taser Death Watch 2009: 15-Year-Old Warren, MI Boy - the Second in a Month


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Mary
- 3705 days ago - correntewire.com
Michigan children are being Tasered to death with regularity. Two 15-year-olds were killed by police with tasers in two separate incidents within a month of each other, frist on 3/23, the second on 4/12. In Florida, a six-year-old was tasered. Autistic...



   

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Joycey B (750)
Wednesday April 22, 2009, 7:29 pm
Something needs to be done about these taser happy cops. This should not be allowed to use them. They need to be prosecuted for killing these teens. Noted with anger. Thanks Mary.
 

Mary Neal (183)
Wednesday April 22, 2009, 7:45 pm
You are right, Joycey. Senior citizens have been tasered to death. The mentally ill are tasered to death with regularity. Is it any surprise they now taser children to death? The youngest taser victim I know about was a six-year-old Florida girl in 2004.

AUTISTIC CHILDREN ARE PARTICULARLY AT RISK!

I was walking through my neighborhood grocery store recently when a lovely little girl who was about 8 years old came up to me and just punched me in the stomach! The child's mother rushed to pull her away. Her mom apologized and said her child was Autistic.

THAT WAS ASSAULT. THE LAW DOES NOT CARE WHEN PEOPLE ARE SICK. THAT IS WHY 1.25 MILLION MENTAL PATIENTS ARE IN PRISON TODAY.

Many Autistic children are at risk of some day being tasered or suffing future incarcerations for behavior stemming from their mental dysfunctions unless we change the system. Elected officials care about what voters care about, and voters only care about news they know about.

PLEASE CARE. HELP ASSISTANCE TO THE INCARCERATED MENTALLY ILL TO PREVENT THESE CHILDREN FROM EVER GOING TO PRISON BECAUSE OF THEIR MENTAL DEFICIENCIES.

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Thanks for CARING about the least of these, His brethren, and OURS!

Mary Neal
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Past Member (0)
Wednesday April 22, 2009, 7:53 pm
Noted/thanks Mary
 

Kathleen R (983)
Wednesday April 22, 2009, 11:24 pm
DESPICABLE!!!!
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday April 22, 2009, 11:52 pm
Noted with sadness and anger. Thank you Mary for sharing.
 

Anne T (180)
Thursday April 23, 2009, 2:16 am
Another weapon of mass destruction!!!
We are all One.
When one is harmed, all are harmed.
When one is helped, all are helped.
 

Michael Owens (1647)
Thursday April 23, 2009, 5:43 am
The Laws need a change, the Cops needs to be Jailed for murder. Our Justest system needs a change. The Cops can plant Guns on people thy shoot in Cold Blood to protect their selfs. Thy plant Drugs and you name it to get people arrested!!!
 

Dennis L (0)
Thursday April 23, 2009, 9:44 am
Tasers were meant to be "less than lethal force." That was a good idea. However, due to cardiac electrophysiologic functioning, they are proving to be indeed lethal in too many cases (ONE is too many.) Thus, the answer seems to be retire them from service, until a safer taser can be developed. I propose that for "threatening juveniles" and even threatening adults who are not armed and pointing a loaded lethal weapon, the cops resume using "bean bag guns" that fire a heavy bean bag at the person's abdomen, effectively "knocking the wind' out of them, and rendering them momentarily capturable safely.
 

. (0)
Thursday April 23, 2009, 10:28 am
they need to be taken away from them it killed so many people
 

Joanna D (216)
Thursday April 23, 2009, 10:57 am
It's madness! Something has to be done. The outrageous is the fact that Police is using tasers, which they call "less than lethal force" while they are not and the fact that cops aren't punished for killing as they do their job!!!
 

Doug Wilson (30)
Thursday April 23, 2009, 1:15 pm
Think about the type of people we allow to be police. Who want to be police. They are much different than the police of the 50's. Same with the armed services. Armed forces used in New Orleans during Katrina - to take peoples guns? ( happened ) U.S. forces doing training for "Citizen Uprisings" in our cities? ( happening ) Now think about a plan to have a large citizen militia. ( policing a dis-armed population? ) The futuristic post apocalyptic type movie - is real. Terrorists don't scare me. I've never seen any. Besides, that type of enemy I could fight. Fighting doesn't scare me. I see scary things everyday. I'm doing what I can to fight it. I can't say what the out come will be. We're in very serious trouble.
 

Jessie Cross (295)
Thursday April 23, 2009, 1:22 pm
Since 2001, more than 330 people in the United States have died after being shocked by Tasers, said the human rights group. "Amnesty International acknowledges the importance of developing nonlethal or 'less lethal' force options" by police, the group said in a December report on Tasers and Taser-related deaths. "However, Amnesty International has serious concerns about the use of electro-shock devices in law enforcement, both as regards their safety and potential for misuse

I should bloody believe they have 'concerns' - tell that to the families of the people that have died. This should not be a legal way of subdueing anyone!
 

Bobby A (4)
Thursday April 23, 2009, 1:49 pm
I agree with Doug Wilson: "We're in very serious trouble". I salute all honest dedicated law enforcement officers for taking care of us and those of our military. But too many are on a power trip and when the government sees "We the people" as the enemy (the reports are in), it is understandable why we have "law enforcement" officers using tasers on children. Sure an honest policeman needs to defend himself, even if it it a 15 year old attacker, but when the 15 year old shows no agression, neither should the policeman, especially with uncertain weapons that can be set to stun, stop or kill!
 

Samantha H (9)
Thursday April 23, 2009, 2:18 pm
Tasers are a very touchy subject... I feel for the families of these children that have been lets face it MURDERED and i know the police were just doing their job but they do get a little power trippy, there are some people in this world who have that innate nature to be the dominant person and that can some times lead to them thinking "they are the law... sad for the families who lose anyone to these horrible little machines.
 

. (0)
Thursday April 23, 2009, 2:21 pm
Certainly I agree; this must not happen.
 

Mary Neal (183)
Thursday April 23, 2009, 4:38 pm
Thank you for noting and commenting on this news. Thank you, Care2, for giving people this outlet to have a voice on current affairs and matters of concern. I appreciate all of you.

It is not enough for us to discuss these issues of injustice among ourselves. Unfortunately, these things do not "just happen." Many people profit off the sale of "non-lethal" devices. They give police personnel classes on how to beat "over use of force" allegations in court - called "Force Science."

There are judges (probably Taser investors) who have forced medical examiners to change their autopsy reports and delete references to "death by Taser."

Yes, as Doug said, we are in big trouble - democracy is in big trouble in America. If we lose it here, what chances have other countries got? How long before citizens' rights are lost in your country without America to back you up? People who should stand for justice and uphold the Constitution here in the U.S. are being PAID NOT TO DO THEIR JOBS. So the NWO is creeping into control and will eventually run everything, unless citizens say "NO."

YES, MY BIBLE SAYS THE NWO WILL EVENTULLY RUN THE WORLD, BUT IT DOES NOT HAVE TO HAPPEN DURING OUR WATCH! DELAY IT ANOTHER GENERATION.

Yahoo this -- HUMAN RIGHTS FOR PRISONERS MARCH ATLANTA, MAY 16

Please plan to come that weekend and walk for justice.

Blessings!

Mary

 

. (0)
Thursday April 23, 2009, 4:53 pm
This is an inhuman way of treating people. People are being treated like cattle I find it abhorant the road that american police are going down if I was a policeman I just wouldnt use this method. Police if you dont realise it yet you are being used to dish out nazi style treatment on people by a fascist government
 

Mark G (36)
Thursday April 23, 2009, 5:47 pm
But he ran from the police at a routine traffic stop. Had he not done that, he would not have been Tasered. In the 50's he would have been hit with a billyclub or shot. The Taser is by no means safe, but is used to avoid even more dangerous and potentially lethal situations for the subject as well as the police. It is certainly a tragedy that we lost another young person. But the police put their lives on the line everyday to protect us, and they aren't facing a bunch of pacifists when they take the streets of Detroit. The real tragedy is the senseless nature of this. A 15-year old, had he done the right thing and cooperated, would be alive today and a police officer who was doing his job would not have to live with the fact that he inadvertantly killed a young man.
 

m nielsen (1)
Thursday April 23, 2009, 6:41 pm
I'm a paramedic; I carry a machine called a cardiac monitor/defibrillator; it also cardioverts and paces failing hearts. With the exception of the defibrillator, all the machine's capabilities are coordinated with the cardiac cycle, so that the shock comes at the right time (there is a wrong time). There is a vulnerable period in the cardiac cycle when applied electricity will induce ventricular fibrillation, a lethal rhythm, and a few other rhythms that deteriorate to lethal rhythms. I had to go to school for almost 2 years in order to apply electricity to a person. The taser, however, does not sense the cardiac cycle and applies a shock randomly; of course sometimes this shock coincides with the vulnerable period. Result: someone's heart stops.

Stop blaming the victim--if these cops were properly trained, they wouldn't need a taser. I have a relative who is formerly LAPD (25 years); he never got hurt when subduing a person. None of the people he subdued were permanently hurt and not a single one died. And there were no tasers when he was LAPD.

The taser was invented to be a substitute for lethal force, but it is turning out to be almost as lethal as a bullet. I doubt if the taser inventors consulted any medical people when they were building the first taser.

Research on current tasers shows that no two tasers are alike; about 20% of them deliver vastly more current than design specs. Under these conditions peoople will and are dying. I think the taser needs to go back to the shop for a complete rework.
 

Mary Neal (183)
Thursday April 23, 2009, 7:26 pm
Thank you, Karen, for your educated assessment. We all needed your input to learn more about Tasers. I hope that law enforcement personnel will see your comments and think that they risk killing people each time they use the Taserx.

PLEASE POLICE OFFICERS, PLEASE DON'T BELIEVE YOUR TASER CLASSES! Please look at your newspapers and put "death by taser" into YouTube. We know you have been taught to think of Tasers as being non-lethal weapons, but we implore you to consider the facts, not mis-information you receive.

Blessings to you as you serve and protect!

Mary
 

Past Member (0)
Thursday April 23, 2009, 9:01 pm
In Oklahoma City any resident can buy a taser. No classes required. While they are sold for self protection, I have heard from teachers that students sometimes bring them school. Scary thought.
 

Mary Neal (183)
Friday April 24, 2009, 1:15 am
In Florida, a man Tasered his young son for corporal punishment.

Put these words together in your browser:

TASER SON

You will get lots of interesting cases. Here is the link to the guard who tasered his 10-yr-old son:

http://de.truveo.com/Dad-accused-of-tasering-son/id/468374403910974024
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Krystle M (23)
Friday April 24, 2009, 1:15 am
This is NOT acceptable behavior from the Police nor is it justice. These Tasers have proven very dangerous and should be removed from the hands of everyone. Noted with sadness.......
 

Mary Neal (183)
Friday April 24, 2009, 1:17 am
Thank you, Caitlynn M. Come walk with us on May 16 in Atlanta.

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Carl Nielsen (7)
Friday April 24, 2009, 5:25 pm
There is no such thing as a "less than lethal" or "non-lethal" weapon. The proper term is "less lethal".
Any weapon designed to subdue a person has to be able to subdue a healthy strong individual gone berserk - that force may very well be lethal to a weak or sick individual - or an unlucky one. People have died inadvertently after the use of sticks, tear gas, locks etc.
Having tazers as an intermediate tool between nightstick and gun might not be the worst thing in the world. I know of at least two cases where mentally ill people would likely have survived if the police had tazers they could have used instead of their guns.
In one case a schizophrenic man was running around threatening his neibourgs with an axe, with which he attacked the police officers.
In another case the police was sent to a man with PTSD to prevent him from commiting suicide - tragically he attacked them with a saber, hacked them both in the head and got hold of one of the officers guns before the other officer shot him.
Here having tazers would very likely have saved those individuals.
Sadly cases of non-warrented uses tazers will occur if they are issued, but isn't that also true for guns, nightsticks - and hands and feet ?

What does the risk analysis say ? Do tazers cause more or less injuries and fatalities than the alternatives ?
 

Christine vaudrin rios (376)
Saturday April 25, 2009, 11:11 am
THESE POLICE OFFICERS NEED TO BE PROSECUTED FOR THERE "CRIMES!" THIS NEEDS TO STOP. A SIX YEAR OLD? COME ON NOW! ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!!!
 

Mary Neal (183)
Saturday April 25, 2009, 1:48 pm
Christine and everyone,

You could learn about lots of censored news if you join ASSISTANCE TO THE INCARCERATED MENTALLY ILL or just visit our group here at Care2 - open to the public to view.

I only have time to post a little of what happens to Care2 News Network. But my sharebook and AIMI are available on RSS feeds, I believe.

Also my NowPublic articles - highly censored - are on RSS feed.

Find out what is happening around you. Everyone is so concerned with torture in the overseas camps, while justice issues in America are simply atrocious. PRISONERS ARE BEING TORTURED RIGHT HERE IN THE USA EVERY DAY!

Children are being Tasered to death.

Seniors, too.

Mentally ill citizens die regulary by Taser and gunshot.

Prisoners within American correctional facilities are swaring to being electrocuted, beaten, verbally abused, and mental patients in prison are allegedly being advised by prison guards to just kill themselves!

WAKE UP. The USDOJ won't even investigate my sick brother's secret arrest and wrongful death, and he was an American citizen. His family just paid their taxes to their country! Communist China is criticized for human rights abuses, yet I am chased by four cars and a USDOT truck for asking about my sick brother's wrongful death and the police won't even investigate my stalking!

Website: http://wrongfuldeathoflarryneal.com

Articles: http://nowPublic.com/duo

Sharebook: http://www.care2.com/c2c/share/sharebook/html?pid=513396753

Assistance to the Incarcerated Mentally Ill:

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Get informed. Help folks right here at home who need you, please. Charity begins at home.

Mary Neal
Assistance to the Incarcerated Mentally Ill
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Joanna D (216)
Sunday April 26, 2009, 2:24 am
Please sign the petition and read the story:
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/95/justice-for-mother-of-late-robert-dziekanski
A public inquiry has begun in Canada into the case of a man who died on an airport floor after police officers used a Taser electric stun gun on him.

Robert Dziekanski, a Polish immigrant who did not speak English, was confronted by four policemen at Vancouver airport in 2007.

A bystander filmed the officers repeatedly stunning him with a Taser.

The police were heavily criticised when the recording emerged but no charges were brought.

The inquiry will hear from up to 80 witnesses and is expected to last six months. It could find the officers guilty of misconduct.
In October 2007, the 40-year-old Mr Dziekanski became agitated and began to behave erratically after wandering around Vancouver's airport for 10 hours.

Unable to speak English, he had become increasingly confused as he failed to find the public arrivals area where his mother had been waiting for him.

He was confronted by four Royal Canadian Mounted Police officers who stunned him five times with a Taser gun.
 

Carl Nielsen (7)
Sunday April 26, 2009, 6:49 am
Its hardly fair to blame the police for the final consequences of society at large refusing to fund the institutions to take proper care and provide shelter if neccesary for the mentally ill instead of leaving them to fend for themselves in their own little private hells.
 

Mary Neal (183)
Sunday April 26, 2009, 8:53 pm
You are right, Carl. I agree with you to a point. I do think the police who tasered Inman Morales while he was 10 feet up and no threat to them, making him fall to his death without even trying to put down a mattress are very much to blame for that senseless death. So there are times when the police ARE to blame when mental patients who are left out by society are killed by officers - like Morales.

Because my neighbor moves and abandons his dog and the animal shows up at my house houngry does not entitle me to kill it, right?

Blessings!

Mary
 

Kisha F (114)
Friday May 1, 2009, 9:13 pm
There are some good law enforcement officers, but too many have become lazy and complacent. Tasers are too widely abused.
Noted with great sadness.
 

Mary Neal (183)
Friday May 1, 2009, 10:02 pm
Thank you for responding, Kisha.

I think it takes a little more than "laziness" to tazer children to death. That takes a cold-hearted son of a gun.

It takes more than laziness to go into an elementary school or wherever they were and taser a six-year-old, too. It takes a sadistic sociopath.

MOST of our police officers are decent people - not just "some." But they won't tell on their foul co-workers, and that makes them responsible for the evil things their co-workers do, also.

Please caring law officers, if your co-workers are wrong, help get them off the police forces. This is your country, too. Some day if an officer kills an unarmed man like Oscar Grant, our nation could erupt into violence. PLEASE BE A PART OF THE SOLUTION TO POLICE BRUTALITY.

PLEASE TELL.

I appreciate your comments, Kisha, and your noting the article. God bless the children, especially those growing up with Autism who may be subject to Tasering and imprisonment for reason of their mental defect some day.

Mary Neal
 
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