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They Shoot Babies, Don't They?


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Amr
- 3153 days ago - planetization.org
Can you believe that this is actually happening in our world, while some people have no clue about it? Last time I checked, a "childhood" should be full of candy and toys.. but instead, in Palestine ... is different ... sorry if photos are "HARSH" ...



   

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Philippa P (154)
Friday November 5, 2010, 7:52 pm
It's always the littlest ones that suffer - the true innocents! Let's hope the fighting ends soon along with the suffering.
 

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Friday November 5, 2010, 8:02 pm

Yes, it happens. But, adults of conscience need to STOP IT.
 

wolfNoFwdsPls a (135)
Friday November 5, 2010, 8:16 pm
I do hope that the USraHelli occupation system --which does seem to more and more adopt the atrocious methods of the perpetrators of the holocaust-- will disappear from Earth, sooner rather than later. Hopefully before their ethnic cleansing turns into fullblown genocide.

assalam 'alaikum + shalom !

 

Krasimira B (175)
Friday November 5, 2010, 8:20 pm
Noted and signed, thank you Amr.

Click on "Iraq" (bottom) - very important petition.
 

Erica B (36)
Friday November 5, 2010, 8:24 pm
The people that have the least to do with war also suffer the most...the children!
 

resignd Cannot remove (139)
Friday November 5, 2010, 8:35 pm
This needs to be shown Amr, and I sent you a green start and forwarded the page on to my email list and asked them to boycott Israeli products and distribute the message alone with my long message. I also sent it to Rachel Maddow and to my government representative and senator. It is almost too horrible to comprehend, particularly to minds that have been brainwashed and unaware. It is reality hitting a brick wall. Please we must get petitions to send our congress people in Washington DC with photos and facts and statements that we will not pay for this massacre. Foreign aid and US support of this war is egging it on and it seems America is the only country standing with Israel. We must condemn their actions publicly or it will not stop. Such a tragic way for children to grow up in fear and with tears instead of security, safety and love. And for parents to lose their children and children to lose their families too. The photos must show people what is happening and I have seen even more shocking ones of children turned into ash, phosphorus wounds and severed at the waist. Americans must see this, know what we are party to, and spread the information to other sites like Facebook and Twitter. WE need to spread it fast before the Israeli control of our internet interferes. I do not belong to either and hopefully other com mentors will do so. I am an American and feel great shame for the part that my country has had in this persecution and killing of Palestinians.
 

resignd Cannot remove (139)
Friday November 5, 2010, 8:48 pm
Again I miss words, I meant for my friends to send your page along with my long message, not "alone". I do proof but miss the obvious, and in my corrections I make another mistake. Had cataract surgery and have lens implants that are not very good quality I am afraid as I have more and more trouble seeing.
 

greenplanet e (155)
Friday November 5, 2010, 10:27 pm
Heartbreaking.
 

Past Member (0)
Friday November 5, 2010, 11:07 pm
It hurts so much.
My greatest disrespect to these heelers.
Wonder how they would feel if they were in the role of this Palestines.
Thanks Amr and Judith for fwd.
 

Past Member (0)
Saturday November 6, 2010, 1:50 am
Children are their important targets,
“… if those who suffered during the Holocaust and died would come back to life, I am sure they will be today supportive of the Palestinian rights, because they would not accept injustice that they were also subjected to.” --Dr. Mustafa Barghouthi

You are great Amr, I can't praise anymore.
 

Luciana D (30)
Saturday November 6, 2010, 2:18 am
Do you think that those who committed those crimes (in Palestine and in Iraq) will one day be brought before an international court?...
 

Past Member (0)
Saturday November 6, 2010, 2:18 am
Harsh photos show reality, waking us up, drawing change, if open hearts see
Thanks for forward Qais ~
 

Parsifal S (96)
Saturday November 6, 2010, 2:20 am
Does Israeli government not impeach such murderers?
_____________________________________________
And I wonder why, when Israelis murdering it is called killing.
And you won't find much information in the news...
But if Muslims murdering it is called what it is.
And we get overwhelmed by the (already) aquainted brainwash explaining us all how mean Muslims are...

WHY!
 

Amr A (29)
Saturday November 6, 2010, 2:35 am
Luciana D. wrote:

"Do you think that those who committed those crimes (in Palestine and in Iraq) will one day be brought before an international court?..."

Personally, I don't think so.
 

patrica and edw jones (190)
Saturday November 6, 2010, 2:59 am
Parsifal - get real. That soldier is checking his weapon and the media have seized upon the occasion to portray a different story......wish you guys wouldn't keep harping on about the great divide between Israel and Palestine- the divide is only as wide as the Governments want it to be....Didn't know you were that biased Percy - read the Jerusalem Post and the JewishNaqaba - the story that was NEVER told. You might get things more into perspective, mon ami.
 

resignd Cannot remove (139)
Saturday November 6, 2010, 3:10 am
M & M Jones, Why do you think the soldier was checking his weapon? He was pointing it directly at the child intentionally to frighten and intimidate the parents. If he intended to "check it" it would not have been directed at any person, especially a child. Did you not see the photo of the baby with a hole in it's chest. Israel does like to target children, as the phosphorus bombs and radiation waste bombs were rocketed into Gaza, not away from children. I realize it is hard to accept the reality of the brutality but this is what Amr wants us to see as it really exists. Who would want to associate with this travesty?
 

resignd Cannot remove (139)
Saturday November 6, 2010, 3:15 am
The Jonses, Also note the soldier is looking into his scope of his gun indicating he was looking at his target. You cannot ignore that reality. Please all people who have a heart must write Israel about the imprisonment of a people in their own land. Israel has full control because they have the weapons. Not likely the Palestinians have state of the art weapons given to them by the U.S. Please speak out for the children's sake if for no other reason. This is like when the Jews were being "persecuted" and no one spoke out. Now the Zionists are doing the persecuting and America has been inundated with WWII movies and are frozen in time unable to reason this out due to the thick propaganda here, and are not speaking out as they must, as they are a part of this even if they do not want to be. To be silent is to be compliant.
 

kay h (156)
Saturday November 6, 2010, 3:36 am
Noted & signed ......
 

kay h (156)
Saturday November 6, 2010, 3:37 am
Always the innocent children who must suffer in these terrible struggles.
 

patrica and edw jones (190)
Saturday November 6, 2010, 3:42 am
JP - YOU CAN READ ANYTHING YOU LIKE INTO THIS SCENARIO AND WE CAN JUST AS EASILY READ IT OUT- COMPRENDE? WE SAY AGAIN THE SOLDIER IS NOT POINTING AT THE CHILD - THE CHILD IS WAY OFF ON THE RIGHT.....THE CAMERA ANGLE PORTRAYS IT LIKE YOU WANT TO SEE IT.
 

Luciana D (30)
Saturday November 6, 2010, 4:35 am
In the picture above, the gun is surely NOT pointing at the child, easy to see if one is not blind. But nobody tells WHERE and WHEN the picture has been taken. The article does'nt say neither that THAT child had been killed.
The real problem is that children ae also dying under bombs, or guns. In my opinion, unless one is really a sadist, children are not shot on purpose, they are "collateral damages", as civil deaths are commonly called now...
This doesn't mean that the crimes are not or less existing.
 

Michela M (3964)
Saturday November 6, 2010, 4:51 am
THIS IS WHY I AM AGAINST WHATSOEVER WAR!!!!!!!!!!!!! TERRIBLE!!!!!!!!!!! Noted!! Thanks
 

Amr A (29)
Saturday November 6, 2010, 5:17 am

Apparently, SOME of the people commenting here have NOT opened the article link itself!! ,,, cause if they did, then it contains much more harsh photos that deserve more commenting and analysis than either the solider is pointing to the child or not!!!

Greetings to all
 

Amr A (29)
Saturday November 6, 2010, 5:23 am

Thank you a lot Judith for your greet comments
Have a nice weekend
 

mary f (200)
Saturday November 6, 2010, 6:01 am
unbelievable this must stop
 

annelies j (71)
Saturday November 6, 2010, 6:27 am
Very sad truth. I'm not sure I agree with the accusation Obama causing so much of this. This has been going on for much longer than Obama has been our president. Would he be sending all that money if someone else hadn't started all this many years ago? Just like he's now being accused of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, they now accuse him of this too? Once this kind of violence has started under different leaders it doesn't seem like it's there's an easy and fast solution to stop this.
I will try my best not to support any of those companies listed here. Thanks so much for bringing this to our attention. Amr. would you mind telling me where I can find info to research these companies some more myself?
 

Parsifal S (96)
Saturday November 6, 2010, 6:31 am
Amr, I have opened and immediately closed the harsh picture page.
I have been a field medical assistant in 3 wars (in ME, all basically caused by CIA) once and this memories came back.
If one has not seen the hate and the blood and all this emotions, the tension and the smell of burning flesh, the faces of children, looking at you with empty eye sockets, the people you could have saved but unable to get medical supply...

I, for my part do not believe the IDF heeler is directly pointing at the kid.
It might be as Fam. Jones saying.
However, this will even be a prove, this pic was not changed by Photoshop.
But even such a gesture and the terror in the eyes of the parents? speaks books.

Smiley 7mm by IDF
 

Parsifal S (96)
Saturday November 6, 2010, 6:46 am
I mean no sane human, no soldier with military training ever would, whilst loading or unloading his rifle, even point near another person but in a save place where he cannot harm anyone with his weapon.
This is a basic lecture a soldier, when dealing with arms is to learn, to follow and strictly obey.
It definitly is a clear provocation to create respect and/or fear to make the people follow certain rules of war. And to break the childs mind.
 

Amr A (29)
Saturday November 6, 2010, 6:47 am

Dear Parsifal S.,
I guess that know better than others about the suffering of these people there ... however, why not to believe that these soldiers can do something like this in the photo? .. since the other photos "and tens more" are telling more extreme things ...

Greetings
 

Kris B (136)
Saturday November 6, 2010, 7:57 am
I think the only way to stop the war is to stop the funding and to get focus on the horror. This post is a jolt to those of us who are not living it. Amr, I hope you keep the information flowing and maybe enough people will join together and stop the support and funding. We must stop the hate.

Thanks Quis for posting “… if those who suffered during the Holocaust and died would come back to life, I am sure they will be today supportive of the Palestinian rights, because they would not accept injustice that they were also subjected to.” --Dr. Mustafa Barghouthi WE ARE ALLOWING HISTORY TO REPEAT
 

Kerrie G (116)
Saturday November 6, 2010, 7:57 am
Noted, thanks.
 

Parsifal S (96)
Saturday November 6, 2010, 8:10 am
But I honour these heroes of Peace, refusing in THE global fascist super state to fight against humans in their own country:

Select one clip, you would be surprised. All of them telling great stories of a huge victory: The victory of a fight against the greatest aggressor, existing. The enemy within. The own enemy. Oneself, the beast. And they not only fought the war: These heroes won without any weapon - but their mind
 

Parsifal S (96)
Saturday November 6, 2010, 8:12 am
Group dynamics, not head hunters.
Late puberty games, killers role models, weak nature, long lasting stress situations, unwatched moments, revange, silly games, postures, spillt minds, hate. But I bet a good kosher white not intentionally - except in rare cases. But I condemn what this bloody stupid IDF (did I say Israeli D E F E N S I V E Forces???) obeyer doing with his rifle.
A madgone, sick, unfit for service.
A shame for the honest soldiers, obliged to fight.
 

Susan T (20)
Saturday November 6, 2010, 8:15 am
I find the issue of white phosphorus perhaps the most disturbing, as it is a horrific weapon. If you are not familiar with it, it is a chemical compound that burns fiercely. Its primary use by Israel seems to be in the form of a smoke screen producer, but there are less lethal (and torturous) alternatives for producing smoke screens so it is inexcusable to continue to use it.
It is so sad that children are so often the victims of war.
There will be no peace until there is a Palestinian State. Only then will the cycle of violence stop. Let's all hope that the talks underway now actually produce a resolution.
 

Kenneth L (314)
Saturday November 6, 2010, 8:15 am
Not necessarily trusting either Palestinians or Israel to tell the exact whole truth about something, and that neither Palestinians nor Israel are simply innocent little victims put upon by the other, a lot of what is put forward as 'truth' is propaganda, slanted prejudiced views and statements by both sides.
Why? These are all human beings and human beings are aberrated in various ways about various things.
Personally I'm sick of continuous 'poor little me' and 'big bad them' stuff that has been going on for CENTURIES AND CENTURIES AND CENTURIES with people. Fix the human being.
 

Tom W (24)
Saturday November 6, 2010, 8:53 am
Kars4kids - Donations of your unwanted cars go ONLY to Jewish children (as if they need it) although they advertise for children making you think the charity goesr to all children.
Children ARE children irrespective of race, color or creed. Disgraceful and deceitful Jewish charity organization who inturn get a tax credit for their deceitful advertising.
 

. (0)
Saturday November 6, 2010, 8:59 am
Children are not born "innocent" in this day and age. They bring alot of iniquities from their ancestors that they must deal with. Regardless, a child cannot defend themself against a machine gun! But, can an adult? It is not something I desire to have in my life, so wouldn't force it on anyone else. Our Prayers should be for us all, from young to old.
 

Kathy Javens (104)
Saturday November 6, 2010, 9:15 am
Noted. So stunned I cannot comment. Too sad for words.
 

Judith K (93)
Saturday November 6, 2010, 9:32 am
Although I am from Germany, and people dont like us to critizise Israelis, I will speak up now. I am sick and tired of Israel`s inhuman behaviour. This dehumanisation, especially of kids, is a violation of every international law. No support for Israel anymore whatsoever, no moaral, no financial, no nothing. Enough is enough.
 

Gary C (5)
Saturday November 6, 2010, 9:44 am
noted thankyou....
 

TERRANCE N (65)
Saturday November 6, 2010, 11:41 am
They say a picture speaks a thousand words. Thank you very much my good friend Qais for putting forth a great deal of work and creativity to enlighten us on such a profound issue of war crimes, Zionism, neocons, and American support of such terrorism that has gone on for 60 years.

Could this be the reason why our country is said to be insolvent and on the verge of total bankruptcy? Has
God finally grew tire of all the lies, theft of land, war crimes, occupation, and Aparthied and decided to bankrupt America, thus leaving Israel practically naked to the world to witness her shame? Name me one nation beside the United States who will grieve for the demise of such a monsterous state called Israel.

"That soldier is checking his rifle". Do you not see the look on the faces of the parents holding the childrens hand? What kind of individual holds his rifle pointing in the direction of a child? Do you not have children, nephew, or nieces? What kind of individual justifies the actions of a soldier in this situation? I suggest an individual without feelings, or humanity.

And to Kenneth L; " Fix the human being". In order to fix anything, you must first know what is the root of the problem. The Zionist movement was based on the acievement of a Jewish state. Israel has had it's state since 1948. Why does Israel to further occupy, terrorize, and keep the Palestinians from having a state of their own? Israel promotes violence in order to justify getting aid from the United States.
 

Mary P (157)
Saturday November 6, 2010, 12:31 pm
Thanks Amr. These are heart wrenching photos. Its shocking how
People are actually more concerned about whether the soldier is
Pointing the gun at the child or not in just one picture!!! What about
the soldier who is pointing the gun at a group of school children.
What about the gunshot wound in the babys middle??? What about
The dead little joys of bundles??? Don't they feel any compassion
For the suffering and pain of human beings. Can they even imagine
Living the life of the oppressed Palestinians??? What about the
Demonic Israeli IDF who continuously shoot and murder little children
Playing in front of their homes??? Would anyone like having their
Children living the life of a palestinian child? Are they any different
To your children??? Don't they deserve the right and freedom
To be a REAL child and have a happy and carefree childhood like
ALL the other children of the world??? Instead of being hunted down
Down like animals and murdered in Cold Blood by the inhumane
Evil Murdering IDF.

SHAME ZIONIST ISRAELI GOVERNMENT and SHAME AMERICAN
Government for funding and enabling MURDERS of little BABIES.
Disgusting Baby killing Machines
.
Loving GOD creates life; only to be destroyed
By Hatefilled MEN..

The most Hateful Word in my dictionary is "Co-Lateral Damages".
When civilians are killed. Its as if their lives are so insignificant; as
If they are not even human beings; note their families are devastated
By the unjustified murders and mourn thei deaths like you and I
Would for our beloveds.

WAR does Not negate the FACT that ciivilians have been MURDERED.
Man may Accept their killings as "co lateral damages" but in GOD's Sight
Its considered MURDERS. Its hard to envisage these MURDERERS
Of little Babies as "The CHOSEN PEOPLE" of our MERCIFUL GOD.
 

Kathlene Lentz (30)
Saturday November 6, 2010, 12:45 pm
Murdering children is wrong no matter who you are. This needs to stop!
 

Patricia A (0)
Saturday November 6, 2010, 12:46 pm
Thank you for this. War is NEVER as one sided as it presented. The unspeakable horrors need to be put forth in images such as these so people cannot run away from the reality. I know that atrocities are perpetrated on both sides, and that the issue is hugely complicated on both sides, but both sides are never presented. It is obvious how bias the US is toward Israel. As a nation, we cannot even handle facing our own combat/war(s) and the realities of the deaths that we have caused, American, Iraq, and Afghanistan, let alone the contributions and support to others. We are all criminals. I often give up on the human race.
 

(0)
Saturday November 6, 2010, 12:50 pm
children and not comment on them, but try to justify the pointing of a gun at a child by stating he was cleaning his gun? When I read comments like this, I really hold out no hope for humanity at all.

In addition, to find justification in the War on (not with) Gaza is ludicrous. We have a ceasefire, which Israel breaks, Hamas (who I am not stating is a good guy) tries to renegotiate the ceasefire. Israel, who has been planning to do exactly what it ends up doing for six months is ready to go. and this is the end result. They end up showing the world their "real hooliganism during the course of the recent operation" [Livni].
 

Christopher Fowler (82)
Saturday November 6, 2010, 12:50 pm
I have an issue with the picture with the caption "human shield". Either the folks writing this are blatantly and unrepentantly lying, or they have no clue as to what is necessary for one to use a human shield.

As a veteran soldier, I can tell you that the picture in question is not one of using a human shield, but of protecting a civilian. The civilian in the picture is hunkered down behind that short piece of wall, with the soldier leaning over him, standing up. trying to find the enemy or checking if the coast is clear. He is not using the man as a human shield. A human shield is used to protect your head and body, not your legs from the knee down. so think about what you are believing in those pictures.
Unless we were there to see those children get killed, we really do not know if it was the Israelis that killed them or if it was what we call "friendly fire".

People always mourn when a loved one dies, particularly, and understandably, if that loved one is a small child. But showing a funeral or a dead child with a bullet hole in them, while very moving, does not constitute proof of who it was that killed them.

Now don't get me wrong; I am neither pro nor anti Israel and it is true that Israel has done a lot of things ranging from horrendous to questionable, but just accepting a photo with a caption and taking it as fact (unless the picture shows the actions of the person/group in question), is just plain lazy.
Israel is a violent nation because it was established against the will of the people that were already there, it was removed from British control through terrorist acts of the Israeli people and, historically, the ancient Israelites were a warrior people with absolutely no problem with taking what they wanted by force.

Punish people for what you can prove that they did, not for what you just assume that they did. This applies to all people all over the world.
 

(0)
Saturday November 6, 2010, 12:53 pm
Part of the first paragraph got cut off. Here it is again.

I cannot understand when someone has actually looked at these pictures of dead, harmed children and not comment on them, but try to justify the pointing of a gun at a child by stating he was cleaning his gun? When I read comments like this, I really hold out no hope for humanity at all.

In addition to find justification in the War on (not with) Gaza is ludicrous. We have a ceasefire, which Israel breaks, Hamas (who I am not stating is a good guy) tries to renegotiate the ceasefire. Israel, who has been planning to do exactly what it ends up doing for six months is ready to go. and this is the end result. They end up showing the world their "real hooliganism during the course of the recent operation" [Livni].
 

(0)
Saturday November 6, 2010, 1:00 pm
I cannot believe that allegedly literate people can gobble up this unsubstantiated sensationalism without knowing or caring a jot about its origins or the motivation of the authors. Presumably the same ones that believe that the Harry Potter movies are based on fact and that everything you read in the tabloids is true.
 

Vivien G (153)
Saturday November 6, 2010, 1:08 pm
How anyone can shoot a child and live with themselves is beyond me.
 

William R (20)
Saturday November 6, 2010, 1:09 pm
Its time for America to break away from Isreal and stop the murdering of children.
 

Susan Pernot (75)
Saturday November 6, 2010, 1:15 pm
What goes around comes around
 

Amr A (29)
Saturday November 6, 2010, 1:22 pm

Bernard Cronyn wrote:
"I cannot believe that allegedly literate people can gobble up this unsubstantiated sensationalism without knowing or caring a jot about its origins or the motivation of the authors. Presumably the same ones that believe that the Harry Potter movies are based on fact and that everything you read in the tabloids is true."

Well, this was my "claim" which I supported with photos ... more hundreds of photos are everywhere online with very few clicks (in case we want to see the "Naked Reality" away from mass media) ...

Then, this was my claim, please show us the opposite if any!!

Greetz
 

resignd Cannot remove (139)
Saturday November 6, 2010, 1:26 pm
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2581480528015482044&hl=en#
Christopher, Consider this when you want absolute proof as to who did the killing. Do you think for a minute that the Palestinians killed their own children? If Israel has not taken the position of being the controller and demand all the land in Palestine and Jerusalem as their own and have armed soldiers at every check point where civilians wait extreme periods to pass with intentional harassment and abuse and demanding control of using military force with state of the art weapons including tanks,war planes and phosphorous and nuclear loaded missiles, provided by America, there would be no children shot and dead. Did you look at the page with the arrow "Visit site" ?
Soldier have a hard time accepting blame for their killing of innocent people, rationalization in order to live with yourself. If men would refuse to obey orders that are against humanitarian laws and in wars that are basically illegal we would have no need to rationalize. Soldiers do kill innocent people including children sometimes because the child is holding a rock trying vainly to protect themselves. Imagine shoot a child for having a rock in their hand ready to throw. Sticks and stones will break your bones with bullets in Palestine.
Recall the recent publicity of US soldiers killing innocent civilians after rousting them from their homes in the middle of the night and killing them and collecting human parts as souvenirs. The military trains men to kill without conscience, even little children.
 

Amr A (29)
Saturday November 6, 2010, 1:33 pm

Judith, more virtual green stars!

Thanks a lot for the videos

Greetings
 

Vladimir Tarlo (50)
Saturday November 6, 2010, 1:37 pm
Hundreds Thousands kids, students, innocent people all over the world were killed by fanatic Islamic terrorists and by suicide satanic terrorists. Show these pictures.
 

resignd Cannot remove (139)
Saturday November 6, 2010, 1:37 pm
Another point Christopher Fowler, Look again at the picture of the human shield young man. Do you note that he has a white material around his face with a knot in the back and how the soldier could have the squatted man behind his legs if he was trying to protect him. He is holding him blindfolded against the wall while he tries to kill Palestinians. Don't tell me he is ready to shoot one of his own. You deserve our respect because you are a veteran, but don't you think it is time that people refuse to fight in an illegal war and kill civilians. I am a nurse and could never consider taking a human life. To kill civilians and brush it off as collateral damage as if they were chickens and cows is the road to insanity. There goes the reason for post traumatic stress after wars, men trying to deal with their deeds that they know was brutally wrong.
 

gone g (133)
Saturday November 6, 2010, 1:38 pm
I have no words to express what I am feeling right now. OMG
 

Kim O (396)
Saturday November 6, 2010, 1:52 pm
Thank you Amur and Qais!! Why is it the little ones are always the targets!! Too sad and sickening for words!! Wars need to be stopped altogether!!!!
 

Alicia V (181)
Saturday November 6, 2010, 1:57 pm
Beyond words.
 

Evelyn Z (300)
Saturday November 6, 2010, 2:09 pm
Noted.
Kindly tell me, how do you tell an Israeli child from a Palestinian child? They do share many of the same genes & physical characteristics.
 

William Y (54)
Saturday November 6, 2010, 2:19 pm
Typical one sided argument.. there is good and bad on both sides. Reminds me of when I came back from a tour in Vietnam and was called a baby killer. Yes some babies were killed, by both sides but there was no mention of Charlie (Viet Cong for those not old enough to remember the Vietnam War) doing his dirty work. War is full of atrocities so picking one side as inhuman is totally stupid. The only way to stop such atrocities is for a complete ending to war which, considering the greed of the most inhuman animals, the humans, will never happen.
 

. (0)
Saturday November 6, 2010, 2:20 pm
For those who can actually believe Israeli soldiers kill children, you're being taken in by picture propaganda that does not tell a full story. Israeli soldiers do not shoot unless acted upon. Yes, in a war situation, children die. This a part of the horror of war. They are not the targets, they are the result of a terrible situation having enemies living at their borders, and among their citizens.
Where are the pictures of Israeli children killed by Palestinians? Please, pause and think.
 

Gloria H (88)
Saturday November 6, 2010, 2:44 pm
How can any man( or woman) go home after being in the military and killing a child, go home and be able to look his/her own children in the face? The pain the parents (of the dead baby with a gut shot) must feel! I cringe when I see ads for recruitment into our own military. How gullible are young people, puffed up with patriotism, eager to "right" wrongs, desparate to make a name for themselves, send themselves through college, "become" an adult fast, only to find themselves in situations that they can't back out on (desertion/court martial) and killing in self defense or by intention or accident. All for invisible boundary lines in the dirt.
 

Amr A (29)
Saturday November 6, 2010, 3:00 pm

Lyn Z. wrote:

"Kindly tell me, how do you tell an Israeli child from a Palestinian child? They do share many of the same genes & physical characteristics."

Dear Lyn, Firstly, they don't share genes or characters as you think. Secondly, even Israelis did not claim that these are Israeli children!! But they (Israelis) are trying to find excuses and explanations for these inhuman crimes .
 

dena Lenard (0)
Saturday November 6, 2010, 3:04 pm
It's funny, you know what I DON'T see here? The pictures of all the dead Israeli babies that were killed by suicide bombers? Or the little Palestinian children throwing molotov cocktail at soldiers. It's so easy to just show one side of the story, isn't it? Imagine if every single activity in your life - getting on a bus to go to work, eating at a cafe, shopping at a market - could involve you being blown up by a suicide bomber. Have you EVER heard of an Israeli walking into a public place and blowing himself up along with innocent Palestinians? No, you haven't.
 

Brigitte T (69)
Saturday November 6, 2010, 3:09 pm
Children of Gaza

Stories of Those Who Died and the Trauma for Those Who Survived

Rory McCarthy reports from Gaza City on the individual stories of some victims and the physical and psychological toll on an estimated 350,000 youngsters

By Rory McCarthy

January 24, 2009 "The Guardian" -- Amira Qirm lay on a hospital bed today with her right leg in plaster, and held together by a line of steel pins dug deep into her skin. For several days after her operation Amira, 15, was unable to speak, and even now talks only in a low whisper.

In her past are bitter memories: watching her father die in the street outside their home, then hearing another shell land and kill her brother Ala'a, 14, and her sister Ismat, 16, and then the three days that she spent alone, injured and semi-conscious, trying to stay alive in a neighbour's abandoned house before she could be rescued last Sunday.

Ahead of her, she has a long recovery. First there is an imminent flight to France for the best possible medical treatment, many more operations and then months of rehabilitation and psychiatric care.

Only now, after most of the dead have been buried, is the first properly researched reckoning of the toll emerging. What already stands out is the striking cost borne by the children of Gaza, who make up more than half of the 1.5 million people living in this overcrowded strip of land.

The Palestinian death toll after three weeks of Israel's war was 1,285, according to the Palestinian Centre for Human Rights, or 1,268, according to the al-Mezan Human Rights Centre. Among those dead were at least 280 children.

The impact will be felt by many more for years to come. Among the more than 4,000 people injured more than a quarter were children, some left with severe disabilities. The Gaza Community Health Programme estimates that half Gaza's children – around 350,000 – will develop some form of post-traumatic stress disorder.

Amira Qirm, who lived in Tel al-Hawa, the scene of some of the heaviest fighting in Gaza City, is among the few in line to receive medical treatment abroad.

Already she has a dream to fulfil once she returns to Gaza. "I want to be a lawyer," she said today , "and to stand in court facing the Israelis for what they have done."

Most of the other children will have to make do with treatment in Gaza. Last week some psychologists were walking through the ruins of a house in Atatra, talking to a boy from the Abu Halima family who had lost his father, three brothers and an infant sister in a horrific fire after an Israeli phosphorus shell hit the house.

"The problem is they are not feeling safe even in their own homes, on the streets, in the mosques," said Ehassan Afifi, the psychologist. "This boy is seeing what happened as if it is an endless movie. The physically affected can be operated on, sometimes cured. But these mental problems may lead to problems for the rest of their lives."

Israel has consistently rejected international criticism that its forces used excessive and indiscriminate firepower.

Asked about the criticisms, the prime minister, Ehud Olmert, said in an interview yesterday in the Israeli paper Ma'ariv that the mental health of the children of southern Israel had suffered in recent years. He added: "So now there is talk about Israel's cruelty. When you win, you automatically hurt more than you've been hurt. And we didn't want to lose this campaign. What did you want, for hundreds of our soldiers to die? That, after all, was the alternative."

On the Israeli side 13 died in this conflict, three of them civilians. In total in the past eight years, 20 people in Israel have died from rocket and mortar attacks launched by militants in Gaza.

Halting this rocket fire was Israel's primary goal and for the last few days, at least, it has achieved its aim.

But Eyad al-Sarraj, a prominent psychiatrist who leads the Gaza community health programme, said that years of violence in Gaza had only fostered radicalism among its young people, who have seen their fathers humiliated and now left defenceless.

His organisation is training 1,000 ­people to spread out across Gaza to offer help with grief and mourning and to pass serious cases on to professional therapists.

Already there were reports, he said, of children bed-wetting, stuttering, falling mute, having trouble sleeping, becoming violent or restless and losing their appetites.

The difference between this war and the uprisings, like the first intifada of the late 1980s, was that whereas there was once a frontline, with tanks near the border, now the bombing and artillery reached deep inside Gaza's urban areas and into the homes of ordinary families. "Yes, we have developed a coping strategy but we are still frightened of the Israelis doing this again and again," said al-Sarraj.

"The devastation is a reminder of what the Israelis will do. You need to give children a protective environment and give a chance to the fathers to regain their status as protectors and providers by giving them jobs and homes to live in … This is a massive, man-made disaster and we have to tackle the results."
 

Brigitte T (69)
Saturday November 6, 2010, 3:14 pm
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"My mother, my wife, and my three daughters all held white flags..."


Thursday, 05 February 2009 21:09 Last Updated on Thursday, 05 February 2009 21:19 Written by Sameh A. Habeeb and Janet Zimmerman

Innocence Lost
The story of Khaled Abd Rabo
Sameh is a twenty-three year old journalist based in the Gaza Strip. He has been active for years to bring out the word of his people's suffering. Janet is a twenty-one year old journalist and an American citizen, determined to help after she had seen the horrendous crimes that perpetrated in Gaza by Israel. She crossed thousands of miles to evaluate the situation with her own eyes, her own mind, and her own heart. She stumbled across Sameh's work online, and it was not long before they became friends and united in the struggle to open the eyes of the world to the agonies in which they are so often closed. One story that caught their attention was located in the eastern Gaza Strip. It is an account of the personal catastrophe of Khaled Abd Rabo.

We began our journey and were barely able to reach the town of Abd Rabo. As we drove along, our car dipped to the right and to the left. The ground was rutted from the holes that the Israelis tore into the streets with their bombs, their bulldozing, and their fires. The land was also wounded. A once lush and tranquil neighborhood had been transformed into hell on earth. Our eyes were filled with nothing but devastation, and masses of people covered the place like flies.

Our car came to a halt and we walked down the street to Khaled's shattered home. And there was Khaled himself, sitting in the rubble of what was once a happier time.

"This house used to have four floors, and a nice garden. It brought us peace and tranquility," he began to tell us. "The Israeli army came to this house many times before, but the last was in March of 2008."

He explains how they invaded his home and investigated him and his family. "They found nothing. I am a police officer in the Ramallah government; I have nothing to do with Hamas.

"That day when they left us, they did not take anything or harm anyone," he continued. "I remember it was 12:50pm on the fourth day of the military ground invasion when the army took control of the region. A real battlefield was born and thousands of people were trapped. Nobody could leave due to the excessive fire from the Israelis, and the soldiers kept on coming, and coming, and coming.

"And then the tanks came. One of them was based only meters away from my house. There were twenty-five of us, and we were all told to leave," he said as his voice trembled and he began to cry. "The soldiers were eating chips and chocolate, and they were smiling when they killed my daughters.

"My mother, my wife, and my three daughters all held white flags when they tried to leave the house. We saw two of the soldiers get out of their tank, and we told them how we wanted to leave. We waited and waited for their response but were given no answer. Then, to our own surprise, a third soldier emerged and he opened fire on the children with insanity.

"Souad was only seven years old, Summer was three, and Amal was of only two years. My mother was shot as well, and I watched all that I loved fall to the ground. I screamed for them to stop! I ran into the house to call civil defense, ambulances, anyone who could help.

"For one hour the injured were bleeding, and two of my daughters were killed despite the so called ceasefire. No help was able to come to us in time. One of the ambulances tried, but the Israeli soldiers stopped the paramedic and forced him to remove his clothing. They then bombed the ambulance and it was buried in rubble. The paramedic fled naked while their fire surrounded him.

"I left the house with some of my family members," Khaled continued. "We carried my mother in a crib. I held Summer in my arms, and she was still breathing despite her gaping spinal wound. I thought to myself, 'no way can I leave little Summer, even if I end up dead like my other two daughters.' I passed her to my brother and then took the body of Souad in my hands, and my wife held Amal as we left the house.

"The soldiers were firing uncontrollably above their heads and everywhere around them. Many of the houses were demolished by their tanks. As we crossed one of the roads, there was a man and he tried to save us but the snipers saw this and killed both him and his horse. When we finally reached the town of Jabaliya, we saw that everyone had brought all of the injured citizens here. So shocked were we by what we saw that we threw our bodies to the ground, and for one hour we remained there unable to fathom what has become of our people."

We asked him why he thought they would kill his children. He replied, "I am certain they were drunk, or were given orders to kill everyone including the children. This was on Harets a couple of days ago, that many Israeli rabbis were giving orders to leave no one alive," he explained. "I don't know why my daughters were killed. They never committed any crimes, they were children! They did not fire rockets at Israel, although Israel claims to only aim at those who have first fired at them.

"We are a very peaceful people, we have nothing to do with fighting or rockets. I know if I go to the court about what has happened the Israeli army would create thousands of pretexts to make their soldiers appear innocent. They have done this with many other cases before," he went on.

"It was not a war between two immense armies. Obviously, it was a war between civilians and the fourth largest army in the world: Israel. But they do not call it a war. They call it an operation."

An operation where tens of thousands of Gazans were either killed or psychologically and physically wounded. The devastation did not only effect the people, but all you can imagine. Yet buildings can be repaired and the land will grow again, but Khaled's mayhem will never be alleviated. He will never hear the laughter of Saoud and Amal again, but he will hear the aching cries of Summer. She is now paraplegic due to her injuries. The only thing that functions is her mind. A mind that will forever be telling the nightmare of what happened to her life. Even during her first interview in the hospital, in every single detail, she narrated the story to Al-Jazeera as Khaled did to us.
 

resignd Cannot remove (139)
Saturday November 6, 2010, 3:24 pm
Some who refuse to participate in War and killing like this Muslim American
One Year after Ft. Hood: The Missing Story of Muslim Peacemaking
Marking the one-year anniversary of the Fort Hood shootings by remembering those service members who lost their lives that day and lifting up the words of Muslim peacemakers, whose stories we rarely hear in the U.S. mainstream media over the loud cry for war and continued occupation.
Today, November 5, 2010, marks the one-year anniversary of the Fort Hood shooting, in which former Army psychiatrist Major Nadal Halik Hasan shot and killed 13 people at Fort Hood, Texas, wounding 42 others. As U.S. servicemembers and the families of the victims of this shooting grieved for those who were killed and Americans mourned the loss of life, reports on these crimes riveted the mainstream media. The shootings were certainly newsworthy. The problem is that almost the only time Muslims are featured in the U.S. news media is when a Muslim engages in an act of violence. A one-sided focus on violence committed by some Muslims fuels the racist narrative that “Islam is a religion of violence”—which underwrites the so-called “Global War on Terror.”

In spite of ongoing efforts by many in the Muslim religious community and Muslim-American organizations, the long and vital history of Muslim peacemaking has been lost in the avalanche of reports on Muslims where the mainstream media connects them only with violent extremism. The lack of acknowledgment and recognition in the U.S. of Muslim peacemakers continues to have grave effects on Muslims all over the world as well as those at home in the U.S. In addition, the ongoing hyper-focus by the U.S. state and mainstream media on Islamic militants to the exclusion of those Muslims whose peacemaking efforts oppose militarism of all kinds continues to prop up and justify ongoing U.S.-backed military occupations, including those of Iraq, Afghanistan, and Palestine.

Private First Class Naser Abdo, a 20-year-old Muslim servicemember currently serving in the U.S. Army and seeking Conscientious Objector (C.O.) status on the grounds of Islam, is a Muslim peacemaker. He states, “As I studied Islam and Islam’s commitment to peace, I developed an entirely new perspective on war and conscience… That’s when I realized my conscience would not allow me to deploy.” Pfc. Abdo’s C.O. case still awaits an Army recommendation of discharge from the military based on moral, ethical, and religious objection to all wars. Abdo is facing possible deployment to Afghanistan in spite of his C.O. claim, though Army commanders decided to delay his deployment after he went public with his case. Speaking out as a Muslim, Abdo is against war and has been working with nonviolent antiwar organizations including the War Resisters League and Quaker House in Fayetteville, NC on building public support for his objection to war on the grounds of Islam.

Several Muslim-American organizations in the U.S., such as the Muslim American Society Freedom Foundation, have been key supporters of Pfc. Abdo’s claim for Conscientious Objector status based on the principles of Islam. In a statement released by this organization in support of Pfc. Abdo, long-time Muslim peacemaker and antimilitarist Ibrahim Ramey states, “We believe that his position is not a product of personal cowardice or disloyalty to his nation, but rather, a coherent expression of his faith and his personal belief in the tenets and laws of the religion of Islam.” In a separate statement, Ramey further underscores the U.S. government and mainstream media blackout of Muslim opposition to militarism: “Major Muslim efforts for peace-making in Palestine, Afghanistan, Iraq, and other conflict spots are virtually unknown to U.S. news consumers, and even to policy makers. In my opinion, this phenomenon plays into the hands of institutions that seek to permanently militarize the U.S. economy by creating the illusion that Muslims are ‘the enemy’ and must therefore be controlled or eliminated for the sake of ‘democracy.’”

Many other Muslim organizations also attest to the importance of U.S. recognition of Muslim peacemaking efforts. In “An Open Letter to President Obama” sent on the eve of his visit to Egypt to address the Muslim World in May 2009, 1,600 American-Muslim and non-Muslim scholars on the Middle East called on the U.S. government to recognize nonviolent Muslim leaders: “For too long, American policy in the Middle East has been paralyzed by fear of Islamist parties coming to power…However, most mainstream Islamist groups in the region are nonviolent and respect the democratic process.” This letter further urges the U.S. to discontinue its support for violent political regimes in Central Asia and support democracy through peaceful policies: “The United States, for half a century, has frequently supported repressive regimes that routinely violate human rights, and that torture and imprison those who dare criticize them and prevent their citizens from participation in peaceful civic and political activities…There is no doubt that the people of the Middle East long for greater freedom and democracy…What they need from your administration is a commitment to encourage political reform not through wars, threats, or imposition, but through peaceful policies that reward governments that take active and measurable steps towards genuine democratic reforms.”

Despite the ongoing work of Muslim peacemakers and antimilitarists, Muslims living both inside and outside of the U.S. continue to feel the deeply negative effects of the dominant culture’s association of Muslims with terrorism and violence, often referred to as “Islamophobia.” In the U.S. military, Pfc. Abdo experienced a great deal of harassment and discrimination from his fellow servicemembers: “Early in basic training… one soldier repeatedly insulted me and Islam saying, ‘Go pray to your god that doesn’t exist or your pedophile prophet.’…During the training cycle I persistently reassured my comrades that my religion did not make me an enemy of theirs or an enemy of the state. The climax of this harassment occurred when my comrades all made a concerted effort to get me an unwanted discharge because I was not welcome in their ranks.”

These acts mirror the broader U.S. climate of discrimination against Muslims, as evidenced in the media craze surrounding the “Ground Zero Mosque,” otherwise known as the proposed construction of the Park 51 Muslim Community Center in Lower Manhattan. The association of Islam with terror also served to spark the “International Burn-a-Quran Day” controversy out of Gainesville, Florida, which made national headlines on the ninth anniversary of the September 11th attacks. Just a few short weeks ago, a white New York City passenger named Michael Enright shouted, “Asalamualaykum, consider this a checkpoint!” prior to slashing the throat of Ahmad Sharif, the Muslim cab driver.

Furthermore, U.S.-backed war and occupation has been disastrous for Muslims living all over the world. The Iraq War Logs, which include close to 400,000 classified U.S. Army intelligence documents, were recently released by Wikileaks and include accounts of the violent deaths of 66,081 Iraqi civilians, along with reports by the military that confirm widespread killing and abuse of Iraqi civilians by U.S. military forces and U.S. contractors. The documents also reveal U.S. military instructions from high up the chain of command to ignore detainee abuse by Iraqi authorities. In the U.S.-led counter-insurgency war in Afghanistan, there has been 31% increase in Afghan civilian deaths and a staggering 55% increase in child casualties so far this year as a result of the war, according to the latest statistics from the United Nations. The U.S. is also conducting air strikes and Special Forces operations in Pakistan, Yemen, and Somalia and is slated to send $3 billion in military aid to Israel for FY2011 in support of its military occupation of Palestine.

The abuse and killing of Muslims isn’t an accidental byproduct of the U.S. military pursuit of a select group of Muslim extremists. It is the direct result and the intended effect of the U.S. government decision to go to war in pursuit of military-backed power in Central and South Asia. When the mainstream media in the US focuses solely on Muslims as violent extremists, it acts to provide a justification for these wars. The direct link made between Islam and terror also provides cover for waging war against a people, not simply targeting a few individuals, because according to this narrative, any Muslim could be a terrorist.

It is for this reason that we as people living in the U.S. must work to undo the deeply harmful effects of this narrative on the lives of Muslims living both in the U.S. and abroad and construct new narratives not premised on the logic of war and imperialism. We must lift up the stories and ongoing work of Muslim peacemakers like Naser Abdo. We must continue to make the connections between the over-amplification of violent acts committed by small groups of Islamic militants and the ongoing need for the U.S. government to attempt to justify unjust war and occupation. In a statement in a press conference earlier last month, Pfc. Abdo was clear in making this connection:

“In reference to ‘Islamophobia’ as it pertains to the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan there is much that I have come to understand as a Muslim Conscientious Objector. As a Conscientious Objector, I am morally disinclined to associate terror with Islam as is often the case during routine training exercises…To a soldier, the association of terror and Islam serves the purpose of falsely justifying ones actions in combat by stripping Muslims of their humanity. The association of terror and Islam is what we now refer to as ‘Islamophobia.’…It is as if the U.S. public is just recently following a trend that has been rampant in the military for years. Only when the military and America can disassociate Muslims from terror can we move onto a brighter future of religious collaboration and dialogue that defines America and makes me proud to be an American.”

For more information on Naser Abdo’s case, go to www.freenasserabdo.org.
Also, check out this article that will appear in the Fall issue of Fellowship magazine by Ibrahim Ramey:
http://forusa.org/race-religion-reaction-islam-struggle-american-religious-freedom-equality

For more info on Muslim peacemaking, see also Rabia Harris’s piece “On Islamic Nonviolence” in Fellowship:
http://forusa.org/content/islamic-nonviolence

To find out more about organizing with WRL or supporting Naser Abdo, contact WRL Organizing Coordinator Kimber Heinz at kimber@warresisters.org.



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resignd Cannot remove (139)
Saturday November 6, 2010, 3:28 pm
Yes, Allan Y., produce those pictures of reasons for killing Palestinian children.
 

Brigitte T (69)
Saturday November 6, 2010, 3:36 pm
Claiming that the soldier in the picture is protecting the family is garbage. You don't protect civilians by pointing your weapon towards them or even close to where they are.

The role of a true soldier is not to terrorize the population or shoot babies and women.

It's not just the hundreds of photos that prove that countless Palestinian children have been killed by the Israeli, it's also all the eye witnesses, it's also the grieving families. The countless tragedies in Gaza and the long list of dead babies, dead children, dead teenagers, dead civilians, murdered by Israel.

These children were just children, real children, like yours and mine.

But Israel doesn't care, they feel that the less Palestinian babies the better.

Just look at the T shirts proudly worn or owned by Israeli soldiers with TARGETS drawn on them which are pregnant women, elders and babies.

Baby killers.

That's a part of every genocide. That's why so many US soldiers killed Indian babies and pregnant women.

 

Amr A (29)
Saturday November 6, 2010, 3:37 pm

Allan Y. wrote:
"Where are the pictures of Israeli children killed by Palestinians? Please, pause and think."

Can you please show up these pictures here (if any) ? .. Thanks
 

Kenneth L (314)
Saturday November 6, 2010, 3:47 pm
I notice in the Israel-Palestinian conflict somebody always eventually uses numbers of casualties on one side compared to the number of casualties on the other, and whoever has the most casualties is the big victim and the other side is the big horrible ogre BS. It's obscene to use casualty numbers in this way.
As William Y. said, "War is full of atrocities so picking one side as inhuman is totally stupid"

It's clear Amr whose 'side' you're on. All you're interested in is trying to promote a view that Israel is the horrible evil ogre and the Palestinians are innocent little angels.

Doesn't work and is meaningless considering ALL homo sapiens has harmful acts against others up their butt.


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David S (2)
Saturday November 6, 2010, 3:59 pm
The ongoing persecution of the Palestinians and others by the Zionists is astonishing in that they apparently learned nothing from the holocaust. They are repeating the behavior inflicted on their relatives and ancestors by the Germans. I fail to see why the leaders our country, in addition to all the other military madness they've involved us in, continue to support this Zionist nightmare of genocide against the Palestinian people. As for me, I certainly don't want my tax dollars going to sustain and escalate this massacre. Let the Zionists sink or swim on their own. They never should have pushed the local populations out of Palestine in the first place. Who gave them the right? They came waving their bible as if it gave them permission to wipe out thousands of people and take their land. They even persecuted the eastern Jews that were already living there, and had been for thousands of years, and sent them walking to Lebanon. That is clear evidence that it's not about a Jewish homeland. It's about invading, murdering and stealing other people's land by force. It's about obfuscating the dirty truth and lying at every opportunity. The entire enterprise stinks to the heavens, and I don't understand how anyone could have any sympathy for these Western Zionist invaders who rival the Nazis themselves in their cruel and inhuman actions. One hopes that a leader might arise among them that will be able to bring this madness to an end.

I certainly do not understand nor approve of the involvement of our country, the US, in this ongoing horror, and I will not vote for anyone that does not intend to cut off any further US support for the activities of the Zionists.
 

. (0)
Saturday November 6, 2010, 4:08 pm
the isralites who were in Egygt and rescured by moses were good people humble,kind and hurmless compared to isralites who exist today,murders, killers of innocent childrens full of hate to palestinians community.This are not the childrens of God whom moses rescued in Egypt.They are devils when i see what they do today
 

DAN h (6)
Saturday November 6, 2010, 4:13 pm
who ever you are that wrote these lies, your sick minded. You warp the truth, so bad,weak minded people believe your poison. We that know what is really is the truth, these palestinian people, will fight each other if they can;t find some one else to fight. They wrap bombs around there own children, and send them out to go to a place, with as many people they can find together, and blow themselves up, all for what mom, and dad, said ali wants them to do. Now that is sick minded, why would you think the Israel people would be scared of a child. I could go on for hours but you will print your sick lies anyway. you have no truth in you, your empty, of GOD, and full of evil!!!!!!!
 

Amr A (29)
Saturday November 6, 2010, 4:19 pm

Kenneth L. wrote:
"It's clear Amr whose 'side' you're on."

It's Also clear now, Kenneth, whose side you are on!!

"I notice in the Israel-Palestinian conflict somebody always eventually uses numbers of casualties on one side compared to the number of casualties on the other, and whoever has the most casualties is the big victim and the other side is the big horrible ogre BS"

No, This is not the case here, and I did not even mention any numbers for victims. However, please tell us your "methodology" to say who is the horrible and who is the "ANGEL"?

If you want to claim the opposite, please provide us with some photos or videos for the victims as you see!
 

marie T (163)
Saturday November 6, 2010, 4:30 pm
Notedthankyou
 

Amr A (29)
Saturday November 6, 2010, 4:30 pm

Dan h. wrote:
"who ever you are that wrote these lies, your sick minded. You warp the truth, so bad,weak minded people believe your poison ............. I could go on for hours but you will print your sick lies anyway ....... you have no truth in you, your empty, of GOD, and full of evil"

What about a more decent way to express our opinion!! First and before adding proofs for our claims, we have to be polite with others, this is what all good people here are doing, I am sure you are one of these good people!

Greetings
 

TERRANCE N (65)
Saturday November 6, 2010, 4:34 pm
"But showing a dead child with a bullet hole in themdoes not constitute proof".This quote by Christopher Fowler is the exact rational of the Israeli murderers and other killers like them. If no one sees me, catches me, is able to stop me, or arrest me, whatever I do is alright. If the Israeli Zionist didn't kill this child Christopher, who did? The Palestinians. The Americans. The UN.

This kind of thinking is that of a remorseless, unconscienable, sadistic killer. People like the IDF, Massod, settles, and even Netanyahu himself will kill as long as there is no one to stop them from killing. These are Jews. These are Zionist who are capable of committing mass atrocities if the world allowed them.

They have lost all understanding of what it means to be a human being in the twenty first century. Their Zionist, Nazi, and KKK mindset are so warped with contempt for those who they look upon as less than human.

Guiolt and fear grip them so much that they are incapable taking a deep breath and see the humanity in others besides their narrow clan. Why have we in America allowed such a demonic entity like the Zionist to so control the media, governmental, and financial aparatur of our country.It's like an infection that has practically destroyed it's host(America).
 

Amr A (29)
Saturday November 6, 2010, 4:39 pm

TERRANCE N. wrote:
" If no one sees me, catches me, is able to stop me, or arrest me, whatever I do is alright. If the Israeli Zionist didn't kill this child Christopher, who did? The Palestinians. The Americans. The UN. "

Well said Terrance, this is enough to answer those who want to "white-wash" Israeli hands out of the Palestinian bloods including this of babies.

Greetings TERRANCE N.
 

Jennifer R (5)
Saturday November 6, 2010, 4:50 pm
Seriously, thats so fucked up. I am so tired of this that I will just go live in a cave, be naked forever, grow my own food, and stay away from people. Yuck. What a freaking SCREW the human race is turning out to be.
 

. (0)
Saturday November 6, 2010, 5:08 pm
It's sad that war so often harms innocent children - who didn't have a part in it at all.

And Tom W., you mention kars4kids and state that the organization is deceptive and tries to make donors believe it's for all children rather than just Jewish children. And yet the site clearly says:

"Your car donation to Kars-4-Kids will benefit Joy for Our Youth. J.O.Y. is a national organization dedicated to addressing the educational, material, emotional and spiritual needs of disadvantaged Jewish children and their families. We distribute donated items, including food, clothing, home furnishings, toys and crafts through our own network as well as other charitable organizations throughout the world. In addition, we pay for children’s education, tutoring, summer camp, family mentoring, educational and other support services. JOY is a registered national, 501(c)(3), non-profit organization, which was established in 2000."

What's deceptive about that - it states it's for Jewish children.

And "as if they [Jewish children] need it"?? Well, I suppose if you think that all Jewish families are well off and no Jewish child is ever in need then your mindset becomes comprehensible. However wrong it may be.
 

Geynell Eskite (68)
Saturday November 6, 2010, 5:10 pm
War is a tragedy and a waste of resources and of human (and animal) lives. It is usually over something as stupid as a freakin' piece of real estate, or religion. Religion is the basis for a great deal of horror. Ethnic cleansing, murdering gays, stoning women, and "holy war" (committing atrocities with moral impunity because "fill-in-name-of-your-god-here" is on their side). There is nothing "holy" about war. It is evil. Violent, armed conflict is necessary only to protect the weak, and defend against unwarranted attack. Atrocities on both sides of this conflict are unfortunately the status quo. Each uses an atrocity committed by the other as a justification to commit their own.
 

. (0)
Saturday November 6, 2010, 5:18 pm
True, Geynell. If we could rid the world of religion, we could also rid it of one of the reasons for conflict. Though there are unfortunately all too many other reasons humans find to fight and hate one another.
 

Past Member (0)
Saturday November 6, 2010, 6:04 pm
Go back and take a look at those pictures again. They could be from any war in any part of the world. This is what war looks like. People are killed and atrocities are committed ... always. It doesn't matter what the purpose or goal was for starting a war, this is what it turns into. Our own troops (Bless them all) are currently doing things that will haunt them for the rest of their lives. The only people who are immune to the horrors of war are the ones declaring it from their comfortable chairs in their cushy offices. Their children don't have to fight, nor do they. Who's wrong? Who's right? Does it matter? Does anyone really "win" when it comes to this?
 

Richelle R (62)
Saturday November 6, 2010, 6:12 pm
I agree with you, Karen. I also believe the US needs to stop funding Isreal.
 

TERRANCE N (65)
Saturday November 6, 2010, 6:27 pm
I meant to say ,"These are not Jews". "These are Zionist................."
 

Mary S (12)
Saturday November 6, 2010, 6:29 pm
These images were/are difficult to view. I makes me ashamed to be part of the human race. As a teenager I spent time seriously pretending to be an alien lifeform because I was so disgusted with people.

It is less important to name the group responsible for these horrors than it is to say "THIS IS WRONG, and CAN NEVER HAPPEN AGAIN". I don't suppose there is anyone listening, except those of us who would never do such things to anyone.
 

Anita Cheryl Scott (9)
Saturday November 6, 2010, 6:34 pm
There are no pictures of Israeli soldiers killing babies. I can't believe that anyone would swallow this claptrap. I don't doubt that children on both sides are killed. On the Palestinian side because I always see their children out in front, throwing rocks, etc. Since they put their children out in front, knowing what can happen, who is at fault when they are killed?
On the Israeli side, children are killed by so called "suicide bombers" blowing themselves up in cafes, bus stops, etc. Who is responsible for this.
Don't make it seem so simple as to pick one side or another. Both are at fault, but I haven't seen Palestine trying to make peace. Have you?
 

patrica and edw jones (190)
Saturday November 6, 2010, 7:03 pm
Agreed Anita and Karen. The Media have much to answer for in the way they twist the news. We are no commenting on this forum anymore - it is too confrontational and fills people with hatred and anger. Children - whatever race, colour or creed - need a safe and secure World to grow up in - and not the one we adults are currently making. Let the hatred die and let peace have a chance. We must make sure the Governments everywhere can hear our voices- let us all get on the Peace Train.
 

TERRANCE N (65)
Saturday November 6, 2010, 7:13 pm
"It doesn't matter what the purpose or goal was for starting a war". Karen, if invade your home, help myself to your money and jewelry, fill up my van with half your water, your children wake up and I have to kill your son, and rape your daughter. You then conquer your fear and decide to fight back. You wound me and I call you a terrorist.

The next day you decide to go to the police. You get in front of the judge and tell the whole story beginning with the burglary. Do you think a judge would be fair in saying it doesn't matter that i broke into your home to begin with?

I say, I want to do the investigation myself. Would it be fair for me to do the investigation when it was me that broke into your home in the first place?

Your attitude of who wrong? Whose right?Does it matter? Is exactly why we are still dealing with this sixty year situation. Instead of you investigating the facts presented by the research of Amr. You take the lazy way out. Or is it because you think your side (Israel) is winning?

It's greed, ignorance, apathy, and complicity that's the reason war is raging on our planet.
 

Elderberry T (201)
Saturday November 6, 2010, 7:15 pm
Todays news....Israeli Jets Bomb Homes in Gaza 6/11/10.
http://www.care2.com/news/member/184653585/2612155 Keywords?? israel , JETS, BOMBS, GAZA HOMES !

TX Amr
 

Elderberry T (201)
Saturday November 6, 2010, 7:29 pm
Do Not Support Companies who Support This

Here are Some of Them: Avoid :

Motorola * Estee Lauder * L'Oreal/Body Shop * Intel McDonald's * Coca Cola * Disney * Home Depot
* IBM * Revlon * Starbucks * The Limited * News Corporation * Sara Lee



 

TERRANCE N (65)
Saturday November 6, 2010, 7:42 pm
Anita, Israel recieved it's independents in 1948. Why is it that Israel has to occupy Palestinian land and prevent them from being an independent state? Would the children be throwing rocks if there wasn't tanks in their neighborhoods? What would you do if Mexico sent tanks to occupy where you lived and then started shooting at you and your neighbors?

Where were you when the Israeli's started droping white phophorous, and disproportionately killing 1,400 people in Gaza compared to 13 Israeli's killed. Their haven't been a suicide bombing in more than five years.

Israel said that it's main concern for occupying Palestinian territory and not practicipating in meaningful peace talks was because of it's security. Things have been very secure for Israel lately. What is Israel's excuse now?

Israel have no excuse because Israel doesn't reallly want peace. Israel profits from instigating war. Now that the Palestinians have started peace demonstrations, Israel have decided to arrest the non-violent demonstrators.

"We are not commenting on this forum anymore". "It's to confrontational". Would you rather us ignore the dead children, the murdered Turkist aboard the freedom Flotilla, Rachel Corre, the massacre in Gaza, the bulldozing of Palestinian homes, the destruction of olive trees, the use of white phophorous, depleted uranium, the stealing of water, the separate roads for Israeli's and Palestinians, and the racial and religious discrimination?

What hatred are you talking about exactly Patricia and edw Jones? have someone called you a name? Insulted you? Or is ist that you simply don't have any defense for you client Israel? Israel's actions are indefensible. Israel can't even defend itself. Why should you be able to defend her. Yes you should go.
 

Marti Williams (170)
Saturday November 6, 2010, 7:49 pm
Any ideas to solve the problem besides sending out pictures that will inflame hatred with will never solve anything ???
 

resignd Cannot remove (139)
Saturday November 6, 2010, 8:11 pm
Sorry cannot give you another green star Terrance. Yes, Marti Photos can make one feel that it is real and that can make one very uncomfortable. Better to talk is broad terms and cluck our tongues. That should help.
 

NICKY MELVILLE (119)
Saturday November 6, 2010, 8:26 pm



These pictures, although heartbreaking in the extreme, could be pictures from ANY war at ANY time. Why do we think that it is just Muslims, or Nazis or...... whoever happens to be on the hate list at the time are any more horrifying than any other? We love to think that American soldiers would never go this ! Of COURSE they did! In Iraq... you could have seen these pictures of babies being killed over and over again! Why must we stir up hatred about one nation over another? It is never one nation of people of people of one religion that is to blame for attrocities such as these..... WHY do we always turn against one ENTIRE group of people when it is only a few radicals who actually want anything to DO with war! Look at us now!! Every day I receive emails from people who should know better with negative comments and jokes about Muslim people. I am a Christian and I am ASHAMED of what so-called Christian people could do to one another. I am totally and utterly against war in in any way shape of form, because every time there is a war in ANY part of the world..... the things that are happening in these pictures is a reality. Little children are blown apart and mother's hearts are broken. If you think that Boycotting Israeli goods, well let;s DO it, but the whole of human nature needs to be changed!! How can we send our young boys off to war where they will be killing little children?? These young guys have no IDEA that of what it is like when they realize, when they come back that the blood of those little ones is on their hands.. Why do you think that our soldiers are still suffering from mental illnesses? They will never be the same after what they have seen and what they have had to do... The world has gone CRAZY!... Our Care 2 community must be aware of what we are fighting against. We must do NOTHING that causes any harm to any other person or animal We must spread PEACE. We must NEVER cause any other person to hate any section of society. We must do all we can to promote peace. We should keep these pictures in our mind, any time we do anything to cause disharmony between people, because we are still so low on the ladder of evolution, that we actually think that wars are going to promote peace! Teach your children to love and respect people of all nations and religions Do HOTHING To cause another to HATE! Live your lives in humble communion with your God and with the environment and commit random acts of kindness where ever you go. Be thankful every day that if you live in a part of the world that is not in the middle of a war, you already are being blessed more than you will ever realize!
 

resignd Cannot remove (139)
Saturday November 6, 2010, 9:03 pm
Nicky Melville, Maybe it is time parents took responsibility to teach their children the value of all life, and to teach them to refuse to do anything that is against their conscience. That is what really gets people in trouble - going against your own conscience. We need strong men and women who refuse to follow orders that violate the humanitarian laws and the Geneva Convention. War will stop when there is no one to fight them. Let the bully leaders and corporations go at it hand to hand. Stop telling our youth it is glorious to defend your country when it is not being attacked. Wars of aggression would come to a screeching halt. There are many Israeli soldiers who are now speaking out about how they feel about the orders they were given and speak about being ashamed. They are told to harass and intimidate and reduce the Palestinians into a heap of fear. The Palestinians have stopped fighting back and are not going to leave Palestine which is infuriating to Netanyahu. Remember in America you only hear one side of the story and often it is not accurately reported.
If American would not stop sending financial aid to this rich country ($3+ Billion and weapons paid on top of that by the American people) Israel would have to stop their settlement building and bullying and murder. Write your congress people and tell them enough, no more money to Israel - a wealthy country, no more weapons to Israel, paid for by American and none sold to Israel. Back Netanyahu into a corner and see who they attack next. Call and write our President and Senators and Representatives and tell them this is outrageous and we do not want to pay for the loss of Palestinian homes and the bloodshed of Palestinians. And tell our youth they are not going to be the cannon fodder of the world because until we speak out loud and clear the leaders in this country have plans for more wars and more deaths. The numbers of Israel soldiers refusing to participate is growing and some are speaking out publicly, but we will not be told the numbers. Attitudes must change.
 

resignd Cannot remove (139)
Saturday November 6, 2010, 9:08 pm
http://www.gazatoday.blogspot.com/
Interesting link regarding outlook of Gaza and Palestinians
 

Doug C (51)
Saturday November 6, 2010, 9:14 pm
All of you who say war is hell, these things happen in war. Remember who is the aggressor, occupier, overlord, thief and murdering bastard. It is not the people who have no army, air force or navy. It is the people who claim victimhood while they take America's money and weapons to use on innocent children. Congress dismisses out of hand any criticism of Israel and gives credence to any rumour of Arab treachery. Find those weapons of mass destruction yet? You butchering bastards! I wish there was a god so she could smite your evil bloated pink asses. One more thing- AIPAC and Israel GFY!
 

Hugh M (75)
Saturday November 6, 2010, 9:24 pm
What can I add to this vehement debate? This is horrible and all our tears at the pictures will not stop the killing and horror in every war. What will stop it is what I expect everyone here is already doing, thinking about our own acts, voting carefully if we are lucky enough to live in a country where we have that right. tLet's tune our hearts and behaviour in to the vast guiding principle that lives in all of us if we choose to acknowledge it, then spread the light. Overcome the inhibitions and fears of being the odd one out that stops us from sharing our passion for what is right. I am not necessarily talking only to those here who have a spiritual belief, just talking about what we all know within ourselves. If you believe you can pray, send out light, or use the beautiful power you know by another name, to influence reality for good then get into it! Weep for the soldiers who are hardened by training (read;brainwashed) until they can commit these acts. Weep for the young and old lives destroyed or obliterated. Hope for a change of consciousness for all mankind and send the power to change to the whole world. Otherwise this will continue.
 

Ancil S (175)
Saturday November 6, 2010, 9:25 pm
Terrible,just terrible.
 

Matloob ul Hasan (81)
Saturday November 6, 2010, 9:29 pm
Noted, thanks.
 

Eugene C (3)
Saturday November 6, 2010, 10:18 pm
When the violence stops within each individual, then the violence will stop in the outer world. One of the most positive things we can do is stop warring inside ourselves, then within our family's, then with our neighbours and so on. Then we will be able to see very clearly what the motives are of those around us that are still at war! this is the journey towards freedom.
 

Beth S (330)
Saturday November 6, 2010, 10:54 pm
I keep hearing that the press is only telling one side of the story. Someone sent me some interesting pictures a few weeks ago. http://holyfalafel.com/tourism/gaza-palestine-travel-guide/
 

KAREN L (10)
Sunday November 7, 2010, 12:05 am
concerning the holyfalel site from Beth S......This is a mish-mash of photos from Israel & pre occupation Gaza.
I've seen some of these pictures before and several of my non-zionist friends have identified several pictures from Tel Aviv.

The big lie is alive and well....I guess.
 

Amr A (29)
Sunday November 7, 2010, 1:03 am

Judith P.
"http://www.gazatoday.blogspot.com/
Interesting link regarding outlook of Gaza and Palestinians"

Thank you Judith for the link
 

. (0)
Sunday November 7, 2010, 1:10 am
The holyfalfel site isn't meant to be serious about these pictures, Karen. It says it's "Holy Falafel is a blog on Middle Eastern culture and lifestyle with a twist of satire....." So, no 'big lie', I'm afraid. Just satire.
 

Amr A (29)
Sunday November 7, 2010, 1:46 am

TERRANCE N. (45)
""It doesn't matter what the purpose or goal was for starting a war". Karen, if invade your home, help myself to your money and jewelry, fill up my van with half your water, your children wake up and I have to kill your son, and rape your daughter. You then conquer your fear and decide to fight back. You wound me and I call you a terrorist. "

"The next day you decide to go to the police. You get in front of the judge and tell the whole story beginning with the burglary. Do you think a judge would be fair in saying it doesn't matter that i broke into your home to begin with? "

Perfect explanation for what is going on right there in Palestine ... Bravo Terrance.
 

tony lane (3)
Sunday November 7, 2010, 1:47 am
we should not be surprised that this is happening because nearly all of our daily press tv and radio news is bought and paid for by the WORLD CLUB ELITE but there is the internet and there is real news out there but you will have to do some sifting and surfing that is why a lot of people are becoming aware of the treachery of their governments but this is all gradually being got at by the powers that be,australia has this problem with their government blanketing the true news from the people,but what they did not bargain for is the resilience of the people because like during the second world war australia now has an underground internet network so you see the real news will eventually get out,regarding what is going on inthe occupied lands of palestine and other terrortries with a big emphasis on terror,many jews and israeli's do not understand their true history or have not read the ancient sumerian texts properly it do not say that they are the chosen people to rule over the gentiles or the goyim,what it really says that they were chosen to serve the nephelim or the annunaki and that is the reptillian who came to earth many millions of years ago and stayed untill they left about fifty thousand years ago,and left behind a thousand watchers and a race of people were chosen to serve them and that is the real history that they do not want you to know,it may be the reason for their agressive behaviour or because a lot of the world is also beginning to learn their real history which in turn takes away their credibility.
 

Amr A (29)
Sunday November 7, 2010, 1:53 am

TERRANCE N. wrote:
"Anita, Israel recieved it's independents in 1948. Why is it that Israel has to occupy Palestinian land and prevent them from being an independent state? Would the children be throwing rocks if there wasn't tanks in their neighborhoods? What would you do if Mexico sent tanks to occupy where you lived and then started shooting at you and your neighbors? "

One more virtual green star of appreciation ...

Greetings and blesses.
 

Herbert E (10)
Sunday November 7, 2010, 1:55 am
The most moral army of the world as they like to call themselves do not kill two year old kids,
except in 'self defense' or for fun.
I call them BASTARDS.
 

. (0)
Sunday November 7, 2010, 1:56 am
I'm glad to finally have that mystery solved, Tony. The Jewish people are aggressive because they were the ones chosen to serve the reptilians who came to earth millions of years ago. Case solved.
 

Jelica R (144)
Sunday November 7, 2010, 2:05 am


To Lyn Z. (299) Saturday November 6, 2010, 2:09 pm:

"Noted.
Kindly tell me, how do you tell an Israeli child from a Palestinian child? They do share many of the same genes & physical characteristics."

Unfortunately, they do not share the same media coverage.

TY Qais for your PM, and Amr A. for this post.

 

Luciana D (30)
Sunday November 7, 2010, 2:19 am
NICKY MELVILLE, I would send thousands of stars to you if only I could !!!!!!!
 

Alexandra Rodda (180)
Sunday November 7, 2010, 4:27 am
I had a patient once who had migrated to Australia from Israel. When I asked him why he had done that, he said that he saw there what the Jews were doing to the Palestinians and that it was no better than what the Nazis had done to the Jews. he did not want to be a part of that.
When will people learn that two wrongs do not make a right?
A lot of people think that the "a tooth for a tooth and an eye for an eye" is a biblical injunction to take revenge. Actually all it is is and attempt to limit violence by what were then fairly unevolved people. There has to be a distinction between spiritual principles and the rules that enlightened people make for the less evolved. Those rules need to be upgraded as the general population becomes less savage. The same thing could be said for the Muslim religion. One can tell that a lot of Mohammed said was for the benefit of savage tribesmen. Like all of them, he tried to raise them a notch or two.
globalization.org though it should be praised for revealing the horrors of war and hate, is an extremist and somewhat crazy website.
 

Sharon Balloch (127)
Sunday November 7, 2010, 4:30 am
They are fighting over a piece of dirt... killing children for dirt. You could take that whole country and lose it in the woods here where I ive and people are killing children to keep a piece of dirt. I know it is much more complicated than that, but is it really?
 

Bracha Katz (31)
Sunday November 7, 2010, 4:50 am
What is the real story behind these photos? There is very little detail. How many were staged or manipulated/

I will take the issue that is easiest for me to answer, the one about Rachel Corrie. The Israeli bulldozer was going to demolish a house on top of a smuggling tunnel used by Palestinian terrorist to smuggle weapons from Egypt to Gaza.

She was standing on top of a mound of dirt as the bulldozer approached, then she fell over backwards, and was hidden under the dirt. The bulldozer continued and accidentally crushed her.

Corrie apparently stood atop a mound of dirt as the bulldozer approached the house, but then fell backward, tumbling down the mound and out of sight. The bulldozer continued and accidentally crushed her.

The Israeli soldiers had repeatedly warned protesters to keep a safe distance.

What about the pictures of guns being aimed at women? There are no details included. Did these women have weapons of them? Bombs?
 

Carl Nielsen (7)
Sunday November 7, 2010, 4:53 am
If you send out childre to fight and use them for cover when you attack, then what do you expect ?
 

Nola g (5)
Sunday November 7, 2010, 5:00 am
Thank you for the eye opening article.
 

. (0)
Sunday November 7, 2010, 5:15 am
Sharon, those 'pieces of dirt' are extremely valuable and necessary to us. They're what we live on and off of. Fighting over 'pieces of dirt' is far more comprehensible to me than, say, over religious differences.

But, of course, land can have meaning beyond the practical to the individual or the group.
 

Caroline Vimla (16)
Sunday November 7, 2010, 6:53 am
Very disturbing images :( I pray for the souls of the little ones who are the innocent victims...
 

Sharon Balloch (127)
Sunday November 7, 2010, 7:22 am
Lindsey I would not fight over religion either, it is as evil as fighting over land.. there is enough there for everyone but no one wants to share. And yes land has meaning, but what meaning could possibly be more important than the life of one child. You could tear down the stable where Jesus was born and turn it into a mini mall and it would not mean the life of one child to me. The very cross that Jesus died on, you could light it on fire and throw it down a rat hole but it would still not be worth the life of one small mouse to me.

And if I killed a child in order to save that cross I would be ashamed to stand before God come Judgememt day..
Call me crazy but one of the ten commandments says Thou Shalt Not Kill, so to me folks had better find another way because breaking the big ten to me is not an option for anyone who Says they love God. And Jesus says what ever you do to the least of these you do to me...
 

Kenneth L (314)
Sunday November 7, 2010, 7:47 am
Amr you said to me "It's Also clear now, Kenneth, whose side you are on!! "
You're WRONG. I'm on neither side. Could care less about which side is 'right' and which is 'wrong'. You have no ability to take an exterior view of both sides in a conflict, I do.

And "No, This is not the case here, and I did not even mention any numbers for victims. However, please tell us your "methodology" to say who is the horrible and who is the "ANGEL"?
If you want to claim the opposite, please provide us with some photos or videos for the victims as you see"

I didn't say you did. It was 'Brigette T." And it is LOST on you that one side is made out to be 'horrible' and the other side an 'angel'.
As I said, you are unable to take a third person view of two opponents in a conflict because you are too busy being ON ONE SIDE saying your side is the innocent little angels and the other side the big bad ogre.

First and foremost, people are HUMAN BEINGS. And human beings whether Jew, Palestinian, athiest, Christian, black, white, have harmful acts against others jam-packed up their butt in various degrees.
 

Bora Salama (4)
Sunday November 7, 2010, 7:57 am
These are victims of hard earned American taxpayers' money. The ordinary American may be struggling to make ends meet in these hard times but the politicians trip over each other to stand in front of the Zionists and promise them 30 billion (yes THIRTY BILLION) dollars of what they collect from Americans so that Israel can buy more weapons - to kill more children?

watch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gmC0RfOpHs

"The Israeli-Palestinian conflict is one of the world’s major sources of instability. Americans are directly connected to this conflict,......" It is in your power – and it is the duty of every American with a conscience – to bring this madness to an end. Visit http://www.ifamericansknew.org/

 

Beth S (330)
Sunday November 7, 2010, 8:49 am
Why do the Arabs try to kill Israelis that are trying to help the Arabs?

"Jerusalem area Arabs once again have stoned two Israeli Magen David ambulances trying to help neighbors. This time, the medical rescue vehicles were trying to save an Arab boy who fell five floors from his home in El Azaria, a village between the northern Jerusalem neighborhood of French Hill and nearby Maaleh Adumim.

Magen David medics were resuscitating the youth when attackers began to pummel them with rocks from all directions, breaking the windshield.

Last week, a group of students and a visiting Australian narrowly escaped death when they made a wrong turn and entered an Arab village, where they were ambushed by local Arabs. One of the villagers tricked the students into driving further, where a blockade trapped the vehicle as Arab rioters attacked the car with rocks and metal pipes.

The driver was able to maneuver his car through a narrow opening and escaped the mob."

 

Beth S (330)
Sunday November 7, 2010, 8:52 am
Someone sent me this, too:

Even Arabs Don't Want PA Rule

Ironically, even Arabs themselves are not particularly willing to give up Israeli rule and become citizens of the Palestinian Authority. Back in January 2005, when the Palestinian Authority held elections, a significant percentage of Arab Jerusalemites stayed away from the polls – for fear that their status as residents of Israel might be jeopardized. The Associated Press quoted a taxi driver at the time who said that he would not vote: "Are you kidding? To bring a corrupt [Palestinian] Authority here. This is just what we are missing."

In fact, when Palestinian rule seemed a realistic possibility in 2000, Israel’s Interior Ministry reported a significant increase in citizenship applications from Jerusalem Arabs.
 

Beth S (330)
Sunday November 7, 2010, 9:51 am
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TERRANCE N (65)
Sunday November 7, 2010, 10:07 am
Tara, "Corre 'apparently' stood atop a mound of dirt as the bulldozer approached the house". How do you know what happened. Obvously you weren't there? Why are you giving cover for the driver of the bulldozer? The investigation is still ongoing. Unless you are providing facts from the investigation, you need to stop putting forth you personal feeling, which is most likely misleading others.

Beth, after being made refugee's, having the west bank occupied, and Gaza turned to rubble; sure there are Palestinians when given the choice would choose to live in Israel. survival is the key word here. What the Palestinians want more than anything else is to be ruled by themselves in their own independent homeland.

The tactic used by Israel is to make life so unbearable for the Palestinians that the Palestinians either leave the area all together, remain in bombed out Gaza, live in occupied West bank, or live in racist Israel. Zionist like you Beth are the epitome of devils. You distort the situation to make it appear contrary to what is really going on. You are what the bible discribe in the book of revelations as the synagogue of satan. Jews who claim to be Jews, but who lie, steal, murder, and committ war crimes and call yourself Jews. You are the man of sin Also described in the bible and you are now being revealed to the world. You soom will occupy the bottom pit of hell, also described in the book of revelations.
 

Thomas H (37)
Sunday November 7, 2010, 12:13 pm
Don't look for the Corporate Media in the USA to show this. Forward it to everyone, especially the tea-bagging, kidnapping, dope-smoking, kidnapping, narcissistic Aqua Buddhas. Of course, facts can't get in the way of their dementia, so send it again. And again. And again.
 

Thomas H (37)
Sunday November 7, 2010, 12:14 pm
Oops, sorry. That was out of line. What I meant to post was "tea-bagging, kidnapping, dope-smoking, HEAD-STOMPING, narcissistic Aqua Buddhas." My bad.
 

annelies j (71)
Sunday November 7, 2010, 1:03 pm
How would we, as Americans, feel if some other country came, took our land away to give to others? That's what happened to the Palestinian people, right?
 

Luciana D (30)
Sunday November 7, 2010, 2:37 pm
When I read some of the comments above, I keep thinking that peace is not for tomorrow !
 

Vijay Tankha (28)
Sunday November 7, 2010, 4:17 pm
First what kind of a name is Amr? Why don't you give your full name. Second, why would anyone want to take their children out into a conflict zone, where there were bullets flying? Third, how can we be so sure that you state is the truth? We have all read propaganda and hate stories about Israel ever since the British divided the country and left conflict in their wake, they did the same here in the east, Hindus and Muslims never hated each other so much as after the departure of the Brits. So sorry Amr, don't buy. Try signing your real name. The way you've done it is almost like an anonymous letter and we all know what to do with those..................!
 

resignd Cannot remove (139)
Sunday November 7, 2010, 8:39 pm
http://palestinethinktank.com/2010/07/03/ghassan-hage-a-massacre-is-not-a-massacre/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+PalestineThinkTank+%28Palestine+Think+Tank%29
This article about a Massacre is not a Massacre is worthy of reading several times. I want to give full credit so am not printing it all here.
Right on Terrance, I am with you. It is outrageous to hear the smug comments of people who believe that they are indeed special and loved more by God. They are idiots who live in a fantasy world, not they are really insane psychotics who are a danger to everyone they meet. The problem is that the people funding them and supporting their murder and theft are also of the same class. We must get other people leading America who has the balls to stand up to these treacherous people. If they indeed own our country now then tell the world. If not then explain we are sucking up to the most evil country that has been on the face of the earth and why our government steals from the public to send foreign aid intended for undeveloped countries facing starvation to one of the most wealthy countries in the world, and why we must pay for their military machines.
 

resignd Cannot remove (139)
Sunday November 7, 2010, 8:59 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrtPpk6nhF8&feature=related
The link is to youtube and is Dennis Kucinich speaking before the House. "Israel is killing children with your tax dollars". You must view this as he gives a very descriptive report from the paper about the bodies of children found and of their mothers. For you naysayers, and those who are just becoming aware, you must look for information, and do not turn away from this issue. You are needed also to help put a stop to this atrocity.
Bora, you are right about the $30 Billion, but it will be over 10 years projected at this time, but becomes more because we are paying for three state of the art war planes that will be delivered to Israel this year on top of the $3 billion this year. We must protest this. We must tell our congress that we do not want to be a part of Israel.
Please watch the linked video above. I am also posting it on my page. Please share this with all you know, on your friend list, etc.
Thank you.
 

resignd Cannot remove (139)
Sunday November 7, 2010, 9:33 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CEBnUI5q2Q
Here is the video. Short but very moving.
 

eileen k (1)
Sunday November 7, 2010, 10:52 pm
TX for sharing this very insightful article, Amir. Too bad the US Mainstream Media, instead of providing us with objective news regarding the Middle East, brainwashes the American populace with Zionist propaganda and lies.

The duty of the Press is to deliver the news in an objective manner; e.g., report both sides of the story. The American press, however, presents only one side - the Israeli side - thus, depriving the populace of the truth. Photos of slain Palestinian children are shown around the world, except here in the US. If it weren't for the Internet, Americans would be totally ignorant of the Palestinians' plight. We cannot depend on America's version of Pravda and Izvestia for the truth; instead, it's bloggers such as you who provide this truth.

As the saying goes, the Truth shall set you free.
 

Amr A (29)
Monday November 8, 2010, 12:15 am

Denise Tankha wrote:

"First what kind of a name is Amr? Why don't you give your full name"

- My "full name" was not the title or the subject of this post, was it?

"Second, why would anyone want to take their children out into a conflict zone, where there were bullets flying?"

- They don't take their children out into a conflict zone, those children were killed inside Gaza strip either inside their houses or in the streets, as you can see in the photos, the new-born baby was shoot in chest (she even did not start walking or speaking yet) .. other children were burnt or buried under their destroyed houses ... shortly, Israelis invaded their home .. children did not go to invade Israelis!!

"Third, how can we be so sure that you state is the truth?"

- Well, I did not post and article of words, I did post some photos (they always say that photos do not lie and that a photo can tell a thousand words). These photos were not denied even by Israelis themselves, they just provided silly excuses like "collateral damages" ... moreover, you can google for some other resources online, some people here have already posted some other websites ... Please, see the links posted by Judith P. However, if you have referenced strories (I prefere to support with some photos or videos, not with the points of view) from the other side, please post them for us on Care2 and we will be grateful for you.

"So sorry Amr, don't buy. Try signing your real name. The way you've done it is almost like an anonymous letter and we all know what to do with those ....................!"

- Does it matter to use either a real name or a nick name? This "anonymous letter" contains photos which are more than enough to bleed hearts and to tear eyes for those shot, Killed, burnt, smashed, buried .... kids. isn't it?

Greetings and thanks for commenting
 

AErika De (0)
Monday November 8, 2010, 1:31 am
i'm an Israeli and opposing the war against the Palestiniens and i'm very much for criticizing Israel for it but I'M APPAALLED by the fact that people belive these fantastic stories. why wont we describe the israelies with little horns like the devil's, it's more or less the same level....
 

Past Member (0)
Monday November 8, 2010, 2:28 am
Noted. Thanx Amr.
 

Amr A (29)
Monday November 8, 2010, 2:32 am

Dear Erika Debreczen,

I am sorry that these are not "Fantastic Stories", I hoped if they were just false stories but there is not even a story, there are some terrible photos for criminal acts against humanity and childhood, there are suffering people ... otherwise, tell us who killed those innocent children? Palestinians? Europeans? Americans? Arabs? Hindu? Muslims? UN? ..... (((NO))) ..... it's Israel who did! and still doing .... either by shooting fire, bombs, air strikes or by the 5 years of siege on Gaza (of the 1.5 million population) which killed more people than the war itself ... Remember Marmara Ship and Freedom Flotilla? Remember how many houses and infrastructure have been destroyed? Remember how much offense Israel gave to Palestinians? Remember the stolen lands and evacuated people? Remember the destroyed olive trees? Remember the thousands of checkpoints for humbling the People there? Remember the hunger and thirsty in Gaza? Remember the UN decisions which are not respected and just sent to garbage?

Shame on you as a Jew to support and live in a criminal state like this!
 

Kenneth L (314)
Monday November 8, 2010, 6:33 am
Hey Amr, how much can you milk the tears and sympathy and lower base emotions out of others? You just don't get it that BOTH SIDES have harmful acts against the other up their butt. Surely you can find a little better game to play (but I doubt it).
 

Thomas H (37)
Monday November 8, 2010, 6:52 am
"It is no measure of health to live in a profoundly sick society." ~Jiddu Krishnamurti. As long as Society remains sick and demented, brainwashed soldiers will kill humans. As long as Society remains sick and demented, the uncomfortable truths will be glossed over in favor of some nationalistic hubris that condemns ever more human beings. As long as Society chooses to ignore the manipulative propaganda spewed by those who just cannot accept change, we will live under the Corporatocracy's thumbs.

"Sometimes you think you're crazy
But you know you're only mad.
Sometimes you're better off not knowing
How much you've been had."
~Bob Dylan

Thanks for the links, everyone. I ain't skeered of a little research. I kind of like critical thinking and coming to my own conclusions based on the facts as shown before me. Cull the crap, compare what's left. It's not all that hard to do.
 

Marianna Molnar (9)
Monday November 8, 2010, 9:23 am
read it. heavy.
 

Jelica R (144)
Monday November 8, 2010, 9:39 am

Police release rabbi arrested for inciting to kill non-Jews, By Chaim Levinson, 27.07.10

Rabbi Yitzhak Shapira, head of the Od Yosef Hai Yeshiva, released from police custody hours after being arrested for encouraging the killing of non-Jews.

Rabbi Yitzhak Shapira, head of the Od Yosef Hai Yeshiva and author of "The King's Torah," was arrested early yesterday morning at his home in the West Bank settlement of Yitzhar. His book describes how it is possible to kill non-Jews according to halakha (Jewish religious law ).
...........
According to Shapira, it is permissible to kill a non-Jew who threatens Israel even if the person is classified as a Righteous Gentile. His book says that any gentile who supports war against Israel can also be killed.

Killing the children of a leader in order to pressure him, the rabbi continues, is also permissible. In general, according to the book, it is okay to kill children if they "stand in the way - children are often doing this." "They stand in the way of rescue in their presence and they are doing this without wanting to," he writes. "Nonetheless, killing them is allowed because their presence supports murder. There is justification in harming infants if it is clear that they will grow up to harm us. Under such circumstances the blow can be directed at them and not only by targeting adults."

 

resignd Cannot remove (139)
Monday November 8, 2010, 10:10 am
When an idiot attacks your name Amr, you know they have no argument but cannot accept the truth. It takes a while for unbelievers to let the reality sink in, especially when they are a part of it, have some responsibility in it. America has much responsibility, but the Zionist state bears the full brunt of the murdering of Palestinians including their infants and children. Kenneth attacks calling the truth "milk and sympathy". Is that the best you can do? Again tell us of the numbers of Israelis injured and killed compared to the vast numbers of Palestinians? You are shouting down a empty well, getting the blowback of your own voice because your words are hollow and empty. You as well are likely one of the people who are enjoying the land stolen from Palestine, obtained by the letting of Palestinian blood.
The Jews were never given the whole of Palestine and has continued daily to threaten lives while they steal more land. The old movies showing always "Jews" as the victims, the sympathy grabbing scenes we have seen in numerous movies made me feel very sympathetic toward them, but then I learned that 40% of those killed in the camps were not Jews. And now I see Jews acting worse than the Nazis. I no longer want to watch any movie about the Holocaust since now I know that they were made for Americans to make us sympathetic towards Jews and to ignore the Palestinian issue, while the news demonizes Muslims and give us false and exaggerated reports of Palestinian aggression. Granted a few of the large number of Arab, Muslim, and Islam people have acted insanely and destroyed people but it is not representational of the Islam belief, no more than are all Catholic priests pedophiles.
Palestinians want their land returned and to go home and create their own peaceful society. They were not at war with anyone before the Jews were given their land. What an outrageous decision to give a country's land to another people when they had nothing to do with the persecution of Jews but lived peacefully with them. Do some research and start accepting that you need to address your government and tell them to stop the attempts to exterminate the Palestinians and to return their land and make a fair settlement for lasting peace to occur. This will never happen if you stick you head in the sand..
 

Amr A (29)
Monday November 8, 2010, 10:11 am

Jelica R. wrote:

"Rabbi Yitzhak Shapira, head of the Od Yosef Hai Yeshiva, released from police custody hours after being arrested for encouraging the killing of non-Jews. "

Now is clear why Israel is doing such crimes ... However, I believe that Judaism as a religion does not ask its followers to kill others ... it's all about the behavior of followers who are always able to find supports for their goals in the scriptures... like this big lie that Palestine was the lands of Jews from thousands of years!! Yes, they lived their, but it was not their lands ... they were minority between it's people, living under the authority of the original "owners".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pf3riDnc5M

 

Amr A (29)
Monday November 8, 2010, 10:13 am

Please watch this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0aEo59c7zU&NR=1
 

resignd Cannot remove (139)
Monday November 8, 2010, 10:46 am
Jelica R., What a powerhouse of an article you provided. If the Muslims or Islam had made these statements it would have been headlined for six months. Thank you for this important incidence, which in practice is likely to be referenced as justification for many executions of Palestinians and their children. The truth is coming out more and more. Readers please share this article on other related postings. Sent you a green star Jelica, and wish I could send more than one.
 

Latonya W (82)
Monday November 8, 2010, 1:05 pm
OMG that was so horrible I am in so much pain.Noone should have the heart to kill or hurt and hit and anything harsh to children NOONE The only thing I have to stop using is Johnson & Johnson My gosh......this is freaking horrible
 

Amr A (29)
Monday November 8, 2010, 1:30 pm


Latonya W. wrote:
"The only thing I have to stop using is Johnson & Johnson"

Even if this is the only that we can do, it's still good and better than nothing, at least as a symbolic action to give a sign that we don't want to see more Israeli crimes against humanity.

However, Latonya, we always can do more ... the most important is to tell others and to help them to see what is hidden or deteriorated (intentionally) by media (which is mostly controlled or owned by Zionists)

Regards and thanks for commenting!
 

Carl Nielsen (7)
Monday November 8, 2010, 2:00 pm
Judith - what do you mean by "IF the Muslims or Islam had made those statements" ?
Arab media do so all day long every day of the week - its broadcast via satelite all over Europe and the middle east. Have you ever seen a Palistenian Childrens show ? Check out "pioneers of tomorrow" on youtube.

The reason this isn't reported in the news is that it isn't newsworthy - it would be like reporting that a priest was heard saying the lords prayer.
 

Luciana D (30)
Monday November 8, 2010, 2:27 pm
It's worthy watching "pioneers of tomorrow" on youtube, one can learn a lot ! Have fun.
 

Jelica R (144)
Monday November 8, 2010, 3:07 pm

Amr, Rabbi Yitzhak Shapira is from a prominent religious school in the Occupied Palestinian Territories. This example shows how some manipulators wrap their criminal intentions in religious attire to make it easier to swallow for their congregation. I don't think that most Rabbis agree with that, on the contrary many Rabbis strongly condemned the book.

Carl, do you really think that more than one billion Muslims worldwide abide to sharia law? As far as I know, only 3 countries in the world are ruled by sharia: Iran, Saudi Arabia and Somalia, about 110 million combined, or less than 10% Muslims.

Fundamentalists can be found in every religion.
 

Dylan Thomas (27)
Monday November 8, 2010, 3:52 pm
HATE BEGETS HATE AND VIOLENCE BEGETS VIOLENCE.
the only winners in war are those who profit from the death and destruction
it all makes me sick.
BOTH ISREAL AND HAMAS
THEY ARE BOTH TERRORISTS
and the innocents; as in all wars are the ones who suffer
MOSTLY THE CHILDREN
 

Dylan Thomas (27)
Monday November 8, 2010, 6:32 pm

patrica and edw jones (150)
Saturday November 6, 2010, 2:59 am
Parsifal - get real. That soldier is checking his weapon and the media have seized upon the occasion to portray a different story......wish you guys wouldn't keep harping on about the great divide between Israel and Palestine- the divide is only as wide as the Governments want it to be....Didn't know you were that biased Percy - read the Jerusalem Post and the JewishNaqaba - the story that was NEVER told. You might get things more into perspective, mon ami.

AND YOU KNOW THIS FOR A FACT? HOW? WERE YOU THERE?
after all of the lies by the right here in america this past election cycle and the past few years, i'll believe the picture before i believe another right winger who doesn't know squat, especially since there are other more horrific photos.
fact is, as long as isreal goes on committing terrorist acts and crimes against humanity and the usa and the rest of the world go on supporting them and covering up their terrorist acts, hamas will retaliate with terrorist acts against the isreali people.
 

Dylan Thomas (27)
Monday November 8, 2010, 7:04 pm

Vladimir Tarlo (49)
Saturday November 6, 2010, 1:37 pm
Hundreds Thousands kids, students, innocent people all over the world were killed by fanatic Islamic terrorists and by suicide satanic terrorists. Show these pictures.

vlad, we aren't talking about muslims, we are talking about palistine and isreal. not all muslims are palestinian, that is the problem with riechwingers like you. how many of these muslims are actually from palestine?
most are from america's allies, saudi arabia, pakistan and yemen .
 

resignd Cannot remove (139)
Monday November 8, 2010, 10:19 pm
Here is a good read for you Dylan Thomas, Carl Neissen, and fence sitters.
http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/przion1.htm
It has some pretty powerful stuff.

Another is a poem written by a history professor put to music that is entertaining. You can find it on my Page. It is titled "A Massacre is not a Massacre". Oh and llisten to the short speech by Dennis Kuchinich "Israel is killing children with American tax dollars".
 

Amr A (29)
Tuesday November 9, 2010, 12:06 am

Bravo Judith! An interesting book which explains much about what Zionist Israel is doing, perfect background for anybody who wants to understand the Israeli methodology and ideology.
 

Julie-Anne T (13)
Tuesday November 9, 2010, 2:06 am
Noted and read and OMG those poor people and little ones. May they RIP. But I strongly believe there is good and bad people in every race, country or religion and that surely many Israelites and Palestinians would also be devastated and not condone such brutality. It is the soliders here killing the innocent that must be stopped.
 

patrica and edw jones (190)
Tuesday November 9, 2010, 2:28 am
GO CHECK IT OUT ON GOOGLE DYLAN - OR THE ARUTZ 7 WEBSITE - YOU MIGHT SUDDENLY GET ENLIGHTENED.
 

Kenneth L (314)
Tuesday November 9, 2010, 5:24 am
Judith says to me: "Again tell us of the numbers of Israelis injured and killed compared to the vast numbers of Palestinians? You are shouting down a empty well, getting the blowback of your own voice because your words are hollow and empty. You as well are likely one of the people who are enjoying the land stolen from Palestine, obtained by the letting of Palestinian blood."

Wrong, wrong, and wrong.
You're simply nutso about hating Jews. A hate-monger. I could care less who is 'winning' or 'losing' in Palestine.
You use the insane 'justification' of how good you are and how bad the Jews are by quoting numbers of fatalities, comparing them, how the size of one stack of bodies compares to the size of another stack of bodies, and the one who has the bigger stack is the poor innocent little victims and the other side the big bad monster.
Grow up. Get a life. Stop hate-mongering. You're a chaos merchant.
 

. (0)
Tuesday November 9, 2010, 5:34 am
True, Kenneth. Using the number of dead or injured or the superiority of military might to determine who's right or who's wrong won't fly.

After all, in the War Between the States, Confederate forces suffered (per capita) substantially greater injury and death than their Union counterparts. And the Union forces had substantially greater manpower and firepower. And the numbers of civilians killed on the Southern side overwhelmingly was greater than on the Northern side.

Does that mean the Confederacy had right on its side merely because of those facts? Of course not.
 

Dylan Thomas (27)
Tuesday November 9, 2010, 5:45 am

patrica and edw jones (150)
Tuesday November 9, 2010, 2:28 am
GO CHECK IT OUT ON GOOGLE DYLAN - OR THE ARUTZ 7 WEBSITE - YOU MIGHT SUDDENLY GET ENLIGHTENED.

ROFLMAO i doubt that i will find anything enlightening from a biased hardcore right wing zionist paper like ARUTZ 7. nice try.
if you want to enlighten anyone, try a less biased source.
after the attack on the human aid flotilla and the following isreali propaganda blitz i lost what little respect i had left for isreal. i would take the word of former american ambassador to iraq edward peck over the zionist propaganda machine any day. especially ARUTZ 7.
ok, just for the sake of argument, let's say you are right, the soldier in the above picture is only checking his gun, go to the actual article and try to explain away the more horrific pictures there.
the problem is people like you think isreal can do no wrong when the real fact is, isreal is just as bad of a terrorist group as hamas...nay...worse because isreal has one of the most powerful militaries in the world.
 

Dylan Thomas (27)
Tuesday November 9, 2010, 6:13 am
patricia and edward if you truly want enlightenment read up on the history of zionism, the beliefs of traditional jews and the teachings of the torah.

http://jewsagainstzionism.com
http://www.nkusa.org/
http://www.ijsn.net/home/
http://www.israpundit.com/archives/24062

 

Amr A (29)
Tuesday November 9, 2010, 6:19 am

Kenneth L. wrote to Judith:

"You're simply nutso about hating Jews. A hate-monger. I could care less who is 'winning' or 'losing' in Palestine. "

I would like to remind you Kenneth as well as all others that nobody here said something bad about Jews or Judaism as a religion. We were discussing the "State Terrorism" done by Israel. The discussion was not about Jews.
Does not matter here the religion of people living in Israel or its official religion, Jews, Christians, Muslims or even religion-less, these crimes (and much much others over more than 60 years) are done by the criminal Israel! ... please stop these "Ready-Made Accusations" like: Antisemitism , Jews hating , hate-mongers and these sick empty staff.
I hoped if you could give a comment on these terrible photos in the article rather than defending criminal acts.

What Judith and others are doing here is just opening the eyes of people (especially Americans) for the true stories hidden or deteriorated (intentionally) in media, especially because as everybody knows, most of the effective mass media are controlled or owned by Zionists!! Finally, you have a mind, watch, read, compare .. then judge yourself.


 

Amr A (29)
Tuesday November 9, 2010, 6:30 am

Lindsey DTSW wrote:
"After all, in the War Between the States, Confederate forces suffered (per capita) substantially greater injury and death than their Union counterparts......"

What you might need to know is that Palestinians do not even have a state or an army!! they are living as refugees in their occupied (stolen) lands under the Israeli authorities, there is a political Palestinian Authorities just to negotiate with Israel in the name of Palestinian people, and this is the official definition by the UN, So, it's a non-balanced conflict between some resisting civilians and the 4th powerful army in the world. However, Palestinians insist not to submit until they take back their rights or until their last blood drop.
 

Amr A (29)
Tuesday November 9, 2010, 6:35 am

Dylan Thomas, thanks a lot for the interesting links, Zionism seems to be the enemy of the humanity.
 

April Thompson (2)
Tuesday November 9, 2010, 2:15 pm
So sad! Noted!
 

Dylan Thomas (27)
Tuesday November 9, 2010, 6:08 pm
Amr, any person, group, state or country that uses violence and war to achieve their goals is an enemy of humanity my friend.
mankind will destroy itself and the planet through war, because the next big one is gonna be nuclear. the only creature that will be left if the planet survives will be the cock roach.
we as a species need to end the insanity for our own good...our own survival.
HATE BEGETS HATE
VIOLENCE BEGETS VIOLENCE
AND WAR BEGETS ANNIHILATION

PEACE MY FRIEND
 

Amr A (29)
Wednesday November 10, 2010, 12:34 am

Dylan Thomas, I fully agree with you ... just one thing I want to clarify .. resistance should be differentiated from war-waging ... for example .. if your country, city, street, house are invaded, you will not submit, you will resist .. this is natural and prevent others from thinking in invading or attacking you ...

So, big difference between "war waging" and "resistance"

e.g. Palestinians are "resisting" not waging a war ... simply because they are fighting on their occupied lands not on the lands of other people ... they did not invade or steal the lands, water food or resources of others!
What do you see?

Peace to you and everybody here!
 

Kenneth L (314)
Wednesday November 10, 2010, 3:14 pm
Really Amr? David S. said in an earlier post on this thread: "They came waving their bible as if it gave them permission to wipe out thousands of people and take their land." Not about Jews? Not about religion?
The majority of Israelites ARE Jews.(75% approx.).
You simply continue the fear-mongering and hate-mongering in the region with horrible pictures. Prey on people's base emotions. You don't give a single word of reasoning power to resolve anything in the region. It's the same old poor victim, bad monster scenario over and over which never changes anything..
 

Kenneth L (314)
Wednesday November 10, 2010, 3:22 pm
And there is also use of the word 'Zionist' on this thread Amr, and one of the DEFINITIONS of that word 'Zion' in the dictionary is---"the Jewish people".
I think you're very clever Amr, that's about it.
 

Kenneth L (314)
Wednesday November 10, 2010, 3:25 pm
It also has more definitions of the word Zion, and it's about as religious a word as you can get:

Zion or Sion (ˈzaɪən)

— n
1. the hill on which the city of Jerusalem stands
2. Judaism
a. the ancient Israelites of the Bible
b. the modern Jewish nation
c. Israel as the national home of the Jewish people
3. Christianity heaven regarded as the city of God and the final abode of his elect
4. any form of social organization, way of life, or life after death regarded as an ultimate goal
5. a. a religious community or its site, regarded as chosen by God and under his special protection
b. an ideal theocratic community, esp any of the Christian Churches regarded as such a community
 

Kenneth L (314)
Wednesday November 10, 2010, 3:33 pm
And what is this statement of yours Amr "Palestinians insist not to submit until they take back their rights or until their last blood drop."
Now since when do you speak for all the Palestinians? That's a big group of people. You don't even KNOW them all. But you SPEAK for them all? You see, logic crumbles all generalities and illogic.
Not only that who are you to 'speak' for them?
There's too many self-important little individuals claiming to be experts and know-it-alls.
 

José Ovidio Pérez Morel (50)
Sunday November 14, 2010, 12:24 pm
Unbelieveble !!!!!!.......watched and shared, shared, shared........................
 
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