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TomCat
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TomCat S (125)
Sunday June 12, 2011, 4:09 am
Republicans would like nothing better that to relegate the status of women’s reproductive rights back to the days of back alley butchers. Rumor has it that RepubliCare, the plan with a built in death benefit, has adopted the coat hanger as the logo for their female division. In a positive development, it appears that one of the earliest attempts to block women from abortion helps to prevent Republicans from outlawing all abortion at the state level, because to do so blocks the Republicans from Federal money that they say they will refuse, but crave like an addict seeking a fix.
 

Carol H (229)
Sunday June 12, 2011, 4:42 am
noted, thanks Tom
 

patricia lasek (317)
Sunday June 12, 2011, 5:55 am
They like nothing more than getting Federal funding, so they are on the horns of a dilemma.
 

as s (201)
Sunday June 12, 2011, 6:50 am
To cut money for an legal procedure is tyranny! it is saying the rich can have medical procedures , but the right wing will decide how the rest of us live. Why would any woman vote for the GOP? Palin doesnot even believe in abortion in cases of rape and incest.
 

Kit B (276)
Sunday June 12, 2011, 7:55 am

Here are some very solid points about abortion taken from an article: (Sorry Tom, I know this is long but I think worthy to this topic)

1. "You can't be pro-choice and be anti-death penalty/anti-war at the same time."

False. The pro-choice position is predicated on the idea that women have the right to decide whether to carry their pregnancies to term. The victims of the death penalty and war are fully conscious persons rather than presentient entities in a woman's womb, so the moral questions involved are entirely different.

2. "Abortion causes breast cancer."

Mostly false. In 1997, the New England Journal of Medicine published the largest-scale study ever on this subject--with 1.5 million participants--which concluded that there is no independent link between abortion and breast cancer. Clearly if abortion does increase the risk of breast cancer, it does so by an undetectably small margin. Becoming pregnant and carrying a pregnancy to term may, however, reduce the risk of breast cancer.


3. "This is what an abortion looks like."

Almost always false. Many abortion protest photographs are artist's renderings or the result of image manipulation, and the bulk of the rest are of very late-term fetuses aborted for emergency medical reasons. The most well-known graphic abortion poster is of a 30-week-old fetus, aborted six full weeks into the third trimester. The vast majority of abortions are performed during the first trimester, and Roe v. Wade only protects first and second trimester abortions.

4. "Even first-trimester fetuses can feel pain."

False. Fetal nerve cells can react to trauma, but pain reception requires a neocortex--which is not formed until early in the third trimester.

5. "Fetuses become conscious at 8 weeks."

False. Fetuses begin to develop a minimal brain stem at 7 weeks, but are not capable of consciousness until the third trimester and most likely remain unconscious until birth. As one brain scientist puts it: "the fetus and neonate appears incapable of ... experiencing or generating 'true' emotion or any semblance of higher order, forebrain mediated cognitive activity."

6. "Emergency contraception causes abortions.

False. Emergency contraception prevents pregnancy from occurring in the first place by blocking fertilization of the egg and subsequent implantation in the uterus; it does not, and cannot, induce abortions. If your objective is to reduce the number of abortions, then the single most effective thing you can do to achieve that goal is to help make emergency contraception universally available over the counter.

7. "Banning abortion will get rid of it, once and for all."

False. In El Salvador, abortion is illegal with a possible 30-year prison sentence attached--and women can still easily obtain cheap black market abortificients to induce abortion. The only drawback? No medical supervision. Banning abortion won't put an end to abortion, but it will put women's lives at risk.
(El Salvador is but one example - many others could be used to same result)

8. "Pro-choice activists want to increase the number of abortions."

False. Pro-choice activists lead the charge in advocating comprehensive sex education, increased access to birth control, condom use, and emergency contraception, all of which reduce the incidence of abortion. Strangely, anti-abortion activists work equally hard to make these options more difficult to access--creating the impression that the anti-abortion movement is more concerned with sexual purity than abortion.

. "Pro-choice activists want abortion on demand until the moment of birth."

False. Pro-choice activists work to protect the Roe v. Wade standard, which allows states to ban elective third-trimester abortions. The debate over late-term and partial-birth abortions has to do with abortions performed for emergency medical reasons, not elective abortions.

10. "Human life begins at conception."

False. Human life actually begins prior to conception, because each sperm and egg cell is a living thing. It is more relevant to discuss when sentience, or self-awareness, begins. In 2000, the British House of Lords established a Commission of Inquiry into Fetal Sentience, which estimated that higher-level brain development begins to commence at about 23 weeks.

http://civilliberty.about.com/od/abortion/tp/abortionmyths.htm -- Shared in a post by David Buchan.
 

. (0)
Sunday June 12, 2011, 10:06 am
Noted, thank you Tom.
 

Bonnie B (103)
Sunday June 12, 2011, 4:34 pm
Noted, tom, thanks. Love the Logo for Republicare!
 

Past Member (0)
Sunday June 12, 2011, 5:06 pm
Thank you.
 

Mary T (178)
Sunday June 12, 2011, 5:15 pm
Thanks Tom we all know they hate women I wonder how the women in their family's feel.
 

Yvonne White (229)
Sunday June 12, 2011, 5:55 pm
We know WHY RepubliCONs want to criminalize abortions, because women they impregnate don't want those genes carried on!;) I am pro-choice, even though I never had an abortion. If RepubliCONs can't trust women to do what they want with their Own bodies, why would they trust women to raise children? They DON'T! They will next try to pass child-rearing laws, they already try to undermine custody laws, try to deny women government aid & support, etc.,etc., etc.. They HATE women - period!
 

Shelly Peterson (213)
Sunday June 12, 2011, 6:27 pm
It is all so infuriating!!.....Tom,.let us know when YOU find where they slide it to next!!!
 

Shelly Peterson (213)
Sunday June 12, 2011, 8:27 pm
There is a great article, same subject, under Care2/Causes..entitled.."Defunding Planned Parenthood, the Battle Turns Uglier"...........put these 2 articles together,!!!!....more people are voice their opinions on Government on there, right now!!...very interesting for those who care about these issues!!...Tom, I hope you will have time to view it!!
 

Nimue Michelle Pendragon Gaze (339)
Sunday June 12, 2011, 8:32 pm
Noted.
 

Past Member (0)
Sunday June 12, 2011, 10:09 pm
Very sad.
 

Mary Donnelly (47)
Monday June 13, 2011, 1:40 am
Thanks Tom. Thanks Kit.
 

TomCat S (125)
Monday June 13, 2011, 1:53 am
Thanks everyone. I got no sleep last night so this may be my only substantive comment, but I have to reply to Kit.

I will not disagree with anything you said, although there is conflicting evidence on some points. personally I think every abortion that takes place is a tragedy. That is my moral belief. However, I respect that others do not share my moral beliefs. I am not worthy to dictate someone else's morality. I have no right to tell another what choices she must make. That is a private decision, and that's is why I support women's reproductive rights. Also, while I consider every abortion a tragedy, sometimes circumstances are such that every available choice is tragic.
 

Helen A (39)
Monday June 13, 2011, 12:45 pm
I agree with Tom on this about it being personal but they are taking even that away from a woman. I would think that it is a hard enough decision to make w/o congress breathing down their backs. I pray for them and what they have to go thru...
 

Past Member (0)
Monday June 13, 2011, 1:07 pm
That's exactly how I feel, Tom S, Thank you!
 

. (0)
Monday June 13, 2011, 1:18 pm
noted, thanks Tom
 

Past Member (0)
Monday June 13, 2011, 2:32 pm
It is unacceptable that government should be able to control women's fertility. If men had babies, it would be a constitutional right to have an abortion.
 

Susanne R (236)
Monday June 13, 2011, 3:30 pm
So the Republicans are adamant about controlling women's reproductive rights and banning all abortions under any circumstances --UNLESS it affects the federal funding they'd otherwise be entitled to receive. I think that tells us everything we need to know about what matters most in their eyes. They're happy to take the taxpayers' money, but aren't willing to give them what they want or need. So much for their high moral standards. It appears that the kneel at the altar of the almight dollar...
 

Kit B (276)
Monday June 13, 2011, 3:37 pm

Exactly Rudolf - if men carried the babies there would be no debate. I am not an advocate for abortion as much as advocate of the freedom and right to make a choice for one's body and life. I can't really speak from a personal perspective as I was not confronted with this in my life, I do know many who did face this and the choice is never easy nor fair. Nor should it ever be a question of blame. Most important it should not be a question in the public debate, those who find it abhorrent are not forced into the choice of abortion, those find no other alternative should not be shamed. This is not a choice for governments, it's one of the most painful, private decisions a woman will ever make. Forcing it underground will only result in more deaths.
 

wendi huffman (4)
Monday June 13, 2011, 4:51 pm
noted & thanks for sharing
 

Bette-Ann Libin (11)
Monday June 13, 2011, 9:02 pm
Mother Nature is taking copious notes on the ultimate assault she is enduring...again....and again....and again...not too woory, Karma is a Bitch in wheels....patience, my friends, a little patience while the Reproductive...oops....Republi-Cons stew in their own juices...while the Church may never look our way regarding abortion rights for women...trustworthy news orgs (such as NPR)have reported factions of the Church are so ourraged by Boehner they are calling their own on their own eggragious acts of moral depravity. They may not believe in a woman's right to whoose but they have begun eating their own young!
 

Barbara Erdman (63)
Monday June 13, 2011, 10:29 pm
noted and thanx Tom :-0
 

donald Baumgartner (6)
Tuesday June 14, 2011, 7:33 am
Long lIVE Roe Vs. Wade!!
 

Charlene Rush (2)
Tuesday June 14, 2011, 1:25 pm
To Kit B.: Yes, in fact, your comment was long.
None the less, it was accurate, informative and most useful.
I, for one, thank you for it.

Anti-abortion, pro-life people, are not about saving babies. They are about POWER & CONTROL - males wanting CONTROL and women wanting to give it to them.
Women involved in this movement, don't have control over their lives, don't want it, or know how to achieve it. They don't want the responsibility, that comes with taking charge of their own survival or destiny.
These women love to play pretend.

Unborn fetuses are _IN_ and already born children and adults, are _OUT_.
 

TomCat S (125)
Wednesday June 15, 2011, 3:15 am
Great comments.

In a nutshell, according to Republican policy, life begins at conception and ends at birth,
 

caterina caligiuri (69)
Wednesday June 15, 2011, 1:41 pm
. GOVERNMENT SHOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO ..CONTROL WOMEN 'S FERTILITY ?....HEY...ARE THEY OUT OF THEIR HEADS...??????...E IMPOSSIBLILE...INACCETABILE.. FUORI DAL MONDO...!!!!!!!.....IMPOSSIBLE...!!!!!!...STAND UP AMERICAM WOMEN AND LET THEM HEAR YOUR VOICES...YOU YOU NEED A HELP....i WILL HELP YOU WITH MY VOICE TOO.....!!!!!!!!!!!!! THANKS TOM *cat
 

Bette-Ann Libin (11)
Wednesday June 15, 2011, 2:55 pm
Tom,

Sadly while your comment is so very true, it is hysterical at first blush!

If not for violence against women within their own families, work environements, communities, Church's....YUP the good guys in long black robes...if women did NOT face retribution, I say withold sex for a week and we'll rule the globe!
 
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