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TomCat S (125)
Monday September 5, 2011, 1:00 am
The relationship between Israel and Turkey has been deteriorating since Israel brutally attacked Turkish ships carrying emergency relief to Gaza under the Red Crescent. Israel killed nine in that assault, including a US citizen. Since Israel refuses to apologize for this war crime, Turkey intends to take the matter to the International Court of Justice.

Ellen m (215)
Monday September 5, 2011, 3:26 am
I for one wish Turkey luck in this endevour.
The time has been long overdue that Israel be held accountable for its actions and taken down a peg.
They are a people, no better or worse (sic) than any other.
They are not above the law, and should be treated accordingly.
I think the strong support by the US over the years, even to our own detrement, has finaly come to need a realistic re-evaluation. Thanks Tom

Cheree M (46)
Monday September 5, 2011, 4:18 am
Noted w / interest. TY

Kit B (276)
Monday September 5, 2011, 6:04 am

Unfortunately only time will tell if the court will hear the case or Israel is forced to remember that International laws apply to all.

LeMoyn Salmonsen (88)
Monday September 5, 2011, 7:02 am
Like Ellen, all one can say is - Ya will good luck with that one! Holding Israel accountable for their terrorist apartheid actions is the equivalent of getting the Oil companies to stop plundering and destroying the planet.

patricia lasek (317)
Monday September 5, 2011, 7:56 am
go Turkey! Sue the pants off Israel.

Kamila A (141)
Monday September 5, 2011, 8:32 am
I was in Turkey about 10 years ago and met a nice couple from Israel, who said they were vacationing there. They loved Turkey, and felt very safe. There were cheap flights between the countries, and the people were on very friendly terms. Turks had given Jews sanctuary when the Jews needed it, and there is a Jewish quarter in Istanbul....but that is changing now I guess.
Unfortunately, the psychopathic government felt it was just the right thing to do to unleash their bully power upon an unarmed ship with medical and other humanitarian supplies for the Palestinians who were, and still are, virtually prisoners of Israel. This act turned Turkey away from Israel. It also shook many other people to realize what has been going on.
The day of the Bully Sociopath is over. Bring in the good leaders who know what Peace is, and who ushers it in. May it be so.

Kamila A (141)
Monday September 5, 2011, 8:36 am
Why does the US support Israel and send so much money there? Seriously, its time to reevaluate.

Jim Phillips (3247)
Monday September 5, 2011, 9:00 am
Didn't you know that there are quite a high number of dual citizens working inside the US
government. Guess that these dual citizens will do whatever they can for Israel... Yes, they
have dual passports for USA and Israel...

TY, Tom.

Gary L (138)
Monday September 5, 2011, 10:47 am
America needs to stand for our values instead of just coving up for Israel the oppressed have become the oppressor the Jewish state has lost any claim to legitimacy

. (0)
Monday September 5, 2011, 11:24 am
Noted. . .tks. . .

Robert Barkley (1)
Monday September 5, 2011, 11:25 am
I guess being so narrow minded is a safe way to live. Someone tells you what to think, you parrot it back as your own thoughts, and move on to the next misconception.

Olive Tassell (7)
Monday September 5, 2011, 12:46 pm
Turkey has much to make up for in history, but at least now they have made the right decision.

Marianna Molnar (9)
Monday September 5, 2011, 12:49 pm
egyik kutya masik eb...

. (0)
Monday September 5, 2011, 1:12 pm
Turkey send that boat toward Gaza fully aware of Israel's intentions. The fault lies with Turkey, not Israel.

Fiona Ogilvie (562)
Monday September 5, 2011, 1:47 pm
Turkey was trying to do right for the people in Gaza, treated so savagely by Israel.

Mary T (178)
Monday September 5, 2011, 1:50 pm
I hope that Turkey does sue Israel.

surjit s (1)
Monday September 5, 2011, 3:23 pm
Allan " Turkey send that boat towards Gaza fully aware of Israel's intentions.That fault lies with Turkey not Israel " Agree with you. People forget that thousands were killed in Arab uprising.recently and are being killed every day ,but do we hear any out cry here? No. Google " hama massacre 1982"
Bee Hive. " Turkey was ....treated so savagely by Israel" Are you forgetting Turks killed 1.5 million Armenians ? May be you and likes of you have short memories.

Carol H (229)
Monday September 5, 2011, 3:52 pm
noted, thank you Tom

Kathy Parks (1)
Monday September 5, 2011, 4:30 pm
Forget Turkey. We are to obey God and the Bible admonishes us to bless Israel and the countries who do not are endangering the blessings of God on our own country.

marie T (163)
Monday September 5, 2011, 5:48 pm
Noted thanks

. (0)
Monday September 5, 2011, 8:18 pm
noted, thanks Tom

patrica and edw jones (190)
Monday September 5, 2011, 11:54 pm
So many one-eyed jokers on this blog - against Israel as usual. Don't any of you know that Turkey has one of the worst human rights records ever? Ask the Armenians. Turkey desperately wants to be part of the EU - but until it cleans up it's own backyard - NOT GOING TO HAPPEN!....... All Turkey will get from Israel is STUFFING. Maybe just in time for Christmas - oh but they don't celebrate that do they???

patrica and edw jones (190)
Monday September 5, 2011, 11:55 pm
Hawkeye - are you delusional??????????????

TomCat S (125)
Tuesday September 6, 2011, 1:26 am
Thanks to most. It also true that the Bible admonishes us to pray for the peace of Jerusalem. The best way in which the US can bless Israel is to stop propping up the government that refuses to honor their treaty obligations and restore support when Israel elects a government willing to make peace. It's time to stop paying attention to AIPAC and pay more attention to J Street.

Bracha Katz (31)
Tuesday September 6, 2011, 4:26 am
The people on the Mavi Marmara came to prevoke and be violent, and Israel was defending itself. By the way, the UN Palmer report said that:
'Israel’s naval blockade of Gaza is legal and Israel has the right to enforce the blockade, including in international waters.
The decision to breach the naval blockade was a dangerous and reckless act which needlessly carried the potential for escalation.
The conduct and true objectives of the flotilla organizers, particularly the IHH, included plans to violently resist any boarding attempt.

But the media is still giving people the impression that Israel was guilty.

Israel should be the one suing.

Kamila A (141)
Tuesday September 6, 2011, 9:06 am
Kathy, are you for real?

Kamila A (141)
Tuesday September 6, 2011, 9:11 am
The dividers always use the tactic of arguing a point that is completely off-topic. Turkey's human rights record has nothing to do with what happened on that ship. This is the same tactic by all Islamaphobes, and FOX followers, to pick on issues that are unrelated and keep talking points about it going even when apples and oranges are different fruit.

Gary L (138)
Tuesday September 6, 2011, 10:14 am
tara lav you are lying those people were unarmed and were murder by Israeli terrorists you seem to think and I use the term loosely that if you repeat a lie enough times people will believe wasn't there another country that used that tactic?

Gary L (138)
Tuesday September 6, 2011, 10:17 am
Patrica and edw jones two more rightwing nut jobs welcome we have some kool-aid for you

LeMoyn Salmonsen (88)
Tuesday September 6, 2011, 12:03 pm
@patrica and edw jones, Am I delusional? Well indeed it would seem so. Delusional in thinking, hoping, meditating on the concept that humanity would someday stand up strait to relinquish their position of mass rectal cranial inversion long enough to recognize we’re all in this together and none get out alive. That being a standard by which to gauge our lives, we may do well to stop slaughtering each other behind the same stupid-ness that has plagued mankind, without resolve, since we started burying our dead in a ritualistic fervor of myth. The myth; the dead will be risen up again by some omnipresent being in the sky. Providing of course we kill enough of the other guys, in that particular deities name, to gain favor.

Delusional, indeed, but none more so then when one considers the litany of delusional excuses humanity has consistently mustered up since time in memorial to justify horrific actions against their neighbors. In your earlier comment you were quick to point out, and accurately so, the atrocities the Turks perpetrated on the Armenians. Though I fail to see the point of doing so as it does not lend itself to the point at hand. No more so, I fear, then spouting some ancient admonishment about Israel and the bible. “Forget Turkey. We are to obey God and the Bible admonishes us to bless Israel and the countries who do not are endangering the blessings of God on our own country.” The point to which I was addressing in my follow up comment that I’m left to assume prompted your query re: my state of mind.

But please allow me to press on in response to that query. Do two wrongs make a right? If that’s the case the whole world is doomed to never having the capacity to be humane. As I sit here reflecting on my limited, but by no means nonsexist grasp on history, as it’s been a life long intrigue, I’m hard pressed to think of a single nation state currently in existence or going back into ancient history that does not have blood on its hands. All perfectly justifiable in the eyes of the victors, of course. The Americas, Australia, Asia, Africa, and most certainly Europe have all been witness to the practices of genocide upon aboriginal indigenous peoples or those preceding, since before written history. Does that then mean the page can never be turned? Perhaps from the passages expounding, “an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth” to possibly “love thy neighbor as you would love thyself” or “do onto others as you would have them do onto you” or grasp the principle of, “as you sow, so shall you reap.” Are we, as a common species, unwilling or incapable of evolving because of the mindless madness that plagued previous generations? Delusional in believing we will and must change our current course; our present incoherent beliefs in a salvation forced upon us from some omnipotent being outside the sources of our own accumulative thinking. Or be doomed to self annihilation on a planetary scale. It would at least seem to be so, based on past experience! My personal beliefs are irrelevant here because the facts are the facts and though the history is seldom written by the vanquished, what we’ve been doing is blowing back on us and all indicators point to it increasing in ferocity. If indeed that is the case, and I seen little else on the horizon short of divine intervention, we might do well to wake up and find an alternate path. Before all 7 billion of us, find ourselves bending over to kiss our sorry butts goodbye.

We have the power to choose, providing we’re willing to discard being herded around by those who would profess the power to control our thinking. And I might add, have by enlarge successfully done so for thousands of years by invoking god and damnation into every scenario. Fear, fear, fear, hate, hate, hate, terror, terror, terror we love them so much we refuse to see they are the true force feed delusions.

If you want to pursue the conversation or have further questions, I’m here and happy to carry on.

Please allow me to suggest a short read article that lends itself in many ways to the entanglements of the issues we consider here. Though not directly related to the current situation between the Turks and Israelis, it’s informative and relevant to the conditions imposed upon us by the purveyors of greed Oligarchs and in which we currently find ourselves globally none the less.

M B (62)
Tuesday September 6, 2011, 1:22 pm
The right wingers come out with "how bad Turkey is on human rights..." This tactical saying hasn't got anything to do with the fact that Israel committed a crime, and therefore should be hold responsible. I hope that justice will prevail !! and if there are numerous "dual citizens" in the US government ,I'm not surprised by the one-sided support for Israel (that explaines a lot to me). I wonder : how can people with double passports be 100% loyal to their government ?! Or is it fifty-fifty ?

Lynn Squance (235)
Tuesday September 6, 2011, 2:59 pm
I agree with the three points that Lisa G made, namely:

1. Reparations paid to Turkey by Israel;

2. A formal apology is issued by Israel; and

3. Reparations paid by Israel to the families of the people they killed.

This implacable government of Israel needs to stand up and take responsibility for its actions. It needs to honour the Oslo Accords which it signed, and take bold steps for peace for its own people, for the Palestinians, for the rest of the world. If Israel wants to live in peace, which I firmly believe its citizens do, then it must be the change that it wants to see in the world. By perpetually answering violence with violence, just means more dead. As Mahatma Gandhi said "An eye for an eye only ends up making the whole world blind." There must be open and honest dialogue with the Palestinians. I support an independent Palestinian state, and had I been alive in 1948, I would have supported an independent Israel. Bury the hatred of the past and get on with living today and in the future.


TomCat S (125)
Tuesday September 6, 2011, 10:40 pm
Lisa G was dead on. She usually is.

Raees K. (1)
Saturday September 10, 2011, 4:12 am
The UN Palmer Report is bias and btw UN is actually America in disguise and America is bought by Aipac. Do we still believe the Report to be unbiased. Every country in the world has the right to defend itself but no country builds walls to imprison its neighbours nor do they make like they own the oceans of God.

Raees K. (1)
Saturday September 10, 2011, 4:17 am
Do we hear America making a noise about its American citizen shot dead by Israel on board the ship? That says much for Turkey who is Not a Coward like America. At least it is standing up for its own citizens against a Bully(Israel) of the middle east whereas America will actually let israel get away with the murder of its own citizen . Shows where the people of America stand if attacked by israel. America will welcome israel no matter what the costs to america are, even at the cost of the American Lives.
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