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Online Surveillance Bill (C-30) Opens Door for Big Brother

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See 1st comment - another quality article by Lynn Squance.


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TomCat S (125)
Sunday February 19, 2012, 12:24 am
“There was of course no way of knowing whether you were being watched at any given moment. How often, or on what system, the Thought Police plugged in on any individual wire was guesswork. It was even conceivable that they watched everybody all the time.” – George Orwell, 1984.
- Another quality article by Lynn Squance

TomCat S (125)
Sunday February 19, 2012, 12:24 am
Thank you Lynn. I hope Canada will not repeat our GW Bush experience.

irene davis (74)
Sunday February 19, 2012, 1:08 am
Thank you for the information.

Ellen m (215)
Sunday February 19, 2012, 2:26 am
While i really resent it, i just go on the assumption that i am being tracked, and listened to 24/7.
I will fight this invasion of my privacy at every turn, but i'm not going to be paranoid, And will continue to "own" everything i say and do.
Maybe by being an open book by choice i can work more effectively...thanks Lynn

R. G (12)
Sunday February 19, 2012, 3:40 am
I agree with Ellen, all but the assumption part. I think it is safe to say we are being tracked, watched esp. on social networks.

David C (29)
Sunday February 19, 2012, 4:01 am
Guys you are being tracked 24/7, thanks to your M/phone and GPS. If its turn on the police can find you within 5 mins. The UK police have started using this to find missing people, track drug sellers and in other cases. The software they are use came from the FBI where it be used for the last 10 years.

Joe R (190)
Sunday February 19, 2012, 7:32 am
Nice to see another article from Lynn! Accompanying petition signed.

Carol H (229)
Sunday February 19, 2012, 9:59 am
thank you Lynn and Tom, noted

David C (75)
Sunday February 19, 2012, 10:04 am
more I read and talk to a Canadian colleague, the more saddened I am....used to think Canada was an US ally, but antithesis in actions...seemed to actually act more like people were equal, future/environment are important, they seem to be developing the worst things we did in US under GWB and Greedy Oil Polluters....

Lynn Squance (235)
Sunday February 19, 2012, 10:16 am
Why it is true that we can be tracked much of the time by virtue of the technology we choose to use for various reasons, to have that tracking enshrined in law and automatic is not acceptable. To have police with the ability to access information with out a judicial warrant is unacceptable. If there is probable cause, let the police explain that to a Justice of the Peace (in Canada --- my mother was a JP who regularly signed warrants day and night) or a judge. There have been enough cases in both countries of police officers using various police systems to get information on people for personal reasons, nothing related to their policing duties --- and those are the ones we know about.

In the article, Vic Toews, our Minister of Public Safety, says that 'Canadians must “either stand with us or with the child pornographers.”' But that is black and white thinking. With over 32 million people in Canada, he is proposing to subject them all to "spying" to monitor a comparative few. Please don't get me wrong, I am in no way condoning child pornography, but there are ways to go about finding, charging and convicting these criminals without trespassing on the rights of all people. Toews, a neo-con like PM Harper, is using hot-button topics to lull people to sleep.

And make no doubt about it, Harper is a Baby Bush wannabe, but probably more cunning and with more intelligence. I am currently reading a short book about Harper called "Rogue in Power" by Christian Nadeau. If you get the chance to peruse it, tell me you don't recognise Baby Bush in it.

I hope everybody was able to sign the petition at the end of the article. It should be available to Canadians and Americans. To other countries I'm sorry, I don't know. But this is something that should concern everyone because once it is law here, it will be come law elsewhere. The dominoes will fall.


Liberty W (43)
Sunday February 19, 2012, 10:56 am
The only way they can't listen in on you is you have to take the battery out of the phone, other wise you can be watched and listened to. Not only are they watching you through your phone, they are through your computer's web cam. School are enforcing the fact that parents have to have their kids wear bracelets weather they want them to or not. They ( the school/feds) claim it is a way to monitor the kids heart, b.s. it's so they can watch what the parents are doing, if the kids blood pressure goes up they will ask that kid did your parents upset you blah, bla.. another school is enforcing such things as well. You are being watched, you are being tracked, The general public believes what they see and hear coming from the FEDS, the FEDS are for nobody but themselves. They are all related in sume form or other... They are all family) blood is thicker than water, and all of us outside the white house are nothing more than Federal Slave working to pay the Feds every stinking cent we make. Buy milk pay tax, buy flowers get taxed, buy gas get taxed, go to the dentist get taxed, buy new shoes get taxed, shall I go on.... your taxed in every direction there is sometimes twice on one item. OMG ( OBAMA MUST GO = OMG) =0)

laura r (6)
Sunday February 19, 2012, 11:40 am
Canada oh Canada, refuse to cave on this world corporation domination ruse; Thanks Lynn and T0m

Debra S. (0)
Sunday February 19, 2012, 12:47 pm
Cyber spying and censorship is wrong no matter who does it! Let's kill this bill!!!!!!!

Past Member (0)
Sunday February 19, 2012, 1:09 pm
They will use this bill in conjunction with the Defense Authorization Act, (scheduled to go into effect March 3rd, and makes our backyards the new battlefield in the phony war on terror), to eventually round up key dissenters of all kinds, whether or not they pose a terror problem.

Kerrie G (116)
Sunday February 19, 2012, 1:12 pm
Noted, thanks.

Robert B (55)
Sunday February 19, 2012, 1:19 pm
I don't know why some politicians think that spying without a warrant is ethical or legal.

patricia lasek (317)
Sunday February 19, 2012, 1:32 pm
Thanks Lynn. I signed the petition even though Big Brother is most likely watching.

Patricia E G (52)
Sunday February 19, 2012, 2:18 pm
The decision was made prior to putting satellites in Space.

Thank you TomCat

James E (16)
Sunday February 19, 2012, 2:53 pm
I find it interesting that primary concerns raised in the article related to who was going to pay the cost, not whether the intrusion was right or not.

Lois Jordan (63)
Sunday February 19, 2012, 3:55 pm
Signed. Seems like every single day there's a new intrusion on the Rights of the People. So depressing.

Fred Krohn (34)
Sunday February 19, 2012, 4:04 pm
Down with Minitrue! Ban use of both cybersurveillance and satellite surveillance without warrants or for less than real felony crimes!

David Menard (43)
Sunday February 19, 2012, 4:58 pm
I hope you Canadians give Harper the boot before you end up as screwed your neighbors to the south. After all the ultra right wing fascist BS we have had shoved down our throats by GOP/Fourth Reich starting with W right through to the current GOP Junta and their tbagger toadies.

Robert O (12)
Sunday February 19, 2012, 5:54 pm
Thanks Tom.

TomCat S (125)
Sunday February 19, 2012, 9:12 pm
Thanks to most, with obvious exceptions. For all who thanked me, please thank Lynn. :-)

anne Barusta (0)
Sunday February 19, 2012, 11:04 pm
In the Canadian proposal any person can be arrested anywhere by police without any warrant and kept for 5 days without being charged, basically a police sate and that is very scary, no more democracy !!

Cheryl O'Hara (52)
Monday February 20, 2012, 5:10 am

Michael O (176)
Monday February 20, 2012, 5:16 am
If there's sufficient suspicion to do a search, then the police need to follow the appropriate protocols and get a search warrant. Accessing personal information without just cause is unacceptable.

Referring to your citizens as "standing with the child pornograhers" because they have concerns about their privacy being violated, or as "radicals" because they don't trust the oil companies to do the right thing is particularly appalling.

Harper and his band of cronies need to to be voted out at the next election and opposed tooth and nail every step of the way until then

Phillip I (67)
Monday February 20, 2012, 9:23 am
The harper creature is, well, several levels of disgusting.... It is like a w-bush, with brains. Find a coalition that can get rid of it!

Bill Eagle (41)
Monday February 20, 2012, 10:25 am
Where the heck is the 4th Amendment of the Constitution when it comes to being secure in your own person?

Lynn Squance (235)
Monday February 20, 2012, 2:43 pm
@ William Eagle --- In Canada, we have the Charter of Rights and Freedoms. Here is an outline. If you look at section 7, I believe you will find it comparable to the 4th amendment.

Fundamental freedoms (section 2), namely freedom of conscience, freedom of religion, freedom of thought, freedom of belief, freedom of expression, freedom of the press and of other media of communication, freedom of peaceful assembly, and freedom of association.
Democratic rights: generally, the right to participate in political activities and the right to a democratic form of government:
Section 3: the right to vote and to be eligible to serve as member of a legislature.
Section 4: the maximum duration of legislatures is set at five years.
Section 5: an annual sitting of legislatures is required as a minimum.
Mobility rights: (section 6): the right to enter and leave Canada, and to move to and take up residence in any province, or to reside outside Canada.
Legal rights: rights of people in dealing with the justice system and law enforcement, namely:
Section 7: right to life, liberty, and security of the person.
Section 8: freedom from unreasonable search and seizure.
Section 9: freedom from arbitrary detention or imprisonment.
Section 10: right to legal counsel and the guarantee of habeas corpus.
Section 11: rights in criminal and penal matters such as the right to be presumed innocent until proven guilty.
Section 12: right not to be subject to cruel and unusual punishment.
Section 13: rights against self-incrimination
Section 14: rights to an interpreter in a court proceeding.
Equality rights: (section 15): equal treatment before and under the law, and equal protection and benefit of the law without discrimination.
Language rights: generally, the right to use either the English or French language in communications with Canada's federal government and certain provincial governments. Specifically, the language laws enshrined in the Charter include:
Section 16: English and French are the official languages of Canada and New Brunswick.
Section 16.1: the English and French-speaking communities of New Brunswick have equal rights to educational and cultural institutions.
Section 17: the right to use either official language in Parliament or the New Brunswick legislature.
Section 18: the statutes and proceedings of Parliament and the New Brunswick legislature are to be printed in both official languages.
Section 19: both official languages may be used in federal and New Brunswick courts.
Section 20: the right to communicate with and be served by the federal and New Brunswick governments in either official language.
Section 21: other constitutional language rights outside the Charter regarding English and French are sustained.
Section 22: existing rights to use languages besides English and French are not affected by the fact that only English and French have language rights in the Charter. (Hence, if there are any rights to use Aboriginal languages anywhere they would continue to exist, though they would have no direct protection under the Charter.)
Minority language education rights: (Section 23): rights for certain citizens belonging to French or English-speaking minority communities to be educated in their own language.

I took this from Wikipedia so you can get more info at

For those who are not aware, the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms is based in part on the US Bill of Rights.

Unfortunately, Harper and his harlots are our right wingnuts, our GOP if you like. As I said in an earlier post, Prime Minister Stephen Harper is a neo-con Baby Bush wannabe but with more intelligence and more cunning.

Past Member (0)
Monday February 20, 2012, 4:11 pm
Noted. Thanks.

Lynn Squance (235)
Tuesday February 21, 2012, 11:29 am
UPDATE: The following is an update e-mail I received today. I hope that more will sign the petition and tell your friends about it The response from Toews is typical of the Harper government, and in particular Mr Harper himself. He uses any tactics that he thinks will get people to buckle down. But we have to push back with the typical "Hell NO, we won't go!!!" As Christian Nadeau, a professor at l'Université de Montréal and author of Rogue in Power says, Harper is remaking Canada by stealth, and this is how! Please SIGN THE PETITION, Canadians and Americans alike, at the end of the original article on Politics Plus. Thanks

"Over 106,000 of you have spoken out against online spying1, but Public Safety Minister Vic Toews still isn’t getting the message. Toews recently suggested that anyone opposed to his legislation (that’s you) is standing with child pornographers. Those critics include 8 in 10 Canadians2 (again, you) and all thirteen of Canada’s Privacy Commissioners and Ombudspersons3—everyone who is against warrantless access to our private information.

Toews is using disgusting tactics and misleading Canadians4. We need to scale up our public pressure campaign to stop him and his online spying plan.

Toews’ comments appear to be part of a coordinated effort to use the safety of children as political cover5, and we need to scale up our efforts to stop it. Instead of apologizing or committing to meaningful changes to the bill, Vic Toews is unleashing a PR storm with the same old talking points.

With your help, we can tell Toews:

- It’s not okay use our fears against us. We’ll fight back with local actions in key ridings across the country.
- It’s not okay to mislead Canadians. We’ll push for meaningful changes to this bill with targeted online ads.
- It’s not okay to invade our personal privacy. We’ll launch a sophisticated online video to ensure Canadians know what Vic Toews is doing.

P.S. We can’t let this truly offensive charade go unchallenged. It’s disgusting, and quite frankly immoral and un-Canadian.

[1] Over 106K Canadians have added their names to the petition at

[2] A survey from the Office of the Privacy Commissioner of Canada indicates that vast majority of Canadians oppose warrantless online spying.

[3] See this letter to Public Safety Canada from Canada's Privacy Commissioners and Ombudspersons

[4] See the CBC article, Online surveillance bill opens door for Big Brother

[5] See the Postmedia article, Can you spot the difference on “lawful access” bill?"


Terrie Williams (798)
Wednesday February 22, 2012, 3:11 pm
Thanks, Lynn

TomCat S (125)
Thursday February 23, 2012, 8:01 pm
Thanks Lynn1
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