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Obamacare: Historic Victory

US Politics & Gov't  (tags: Editorial, GOP Lies, Health Care, Michael Moore, Obama, O'Donnell, Schultz, SCOTUS, Videos )

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TomCat S (125)
Friday June 29, 2012, 10:56 am
A day has passed, and I got to spend most of it studying. This is my best understanding of what happened and why, followed by three excellent video clips. Please note that my thoughts on the motivations of Chief Justice Roberts are my own opinions only, and I do not present them as facts.

Carol H (229)
Friday June 29, 2012, 11:34 am

Robert B (55)
Friday June 29, 2012, 11:51 am
What is so astounding (but does not surprise me) is the stupidity of the Republican party. They rail against this and vow to repeal it, yet have NO VIABLE ALTERNATIVE. The only thing that would improve this would be to finally have single payer, universal health care.
OBAMA 2012!!! We can't afford to backslide.

Teresa W (782)
Friday June 29, 2012, 12:16 pm
great news

Jason S (50)
Friday June 29, 2012, 1:00 pm

Patrizia S (315)
Friday June 29, 2012, 4:29 pm
great news.Thank you Tom!!

Kathy B (106)
Friday June 29, 2012, 4:57 pm
I've read quite a few articles since yesterday and read the comments from the peanut galleries, because I'm trying to get a feel for what people think. What I am reading indicates that those that are opposed to the ACA are not going to do any research, or listen to any positive news stories about it. And there are some whoppers of untruths out there.

Sometimes I despair about what people will believe and how stupid they are.

John Doe (22)
Friday June 29, 2012, 6:15 pm
It's a good start but until single-payer healthcare for all is a happening thing, Obama must not rest on this current mini-victory. Given the chance, Romney wil repeal this law? - Don't be silly he is not that stupid.

Kamila A (141)
Friday June 29, 2012, 9:59 pm
The Republicans really sound idiotic since Romney was all for it before, and during the primaries they called it Obamney-care. But, hypocrisy, stupidity, lack of morals and values never stood in their way. They call the night day, the desert wet and the rain dry and do it while looking the people right in the eye. How do they keep going with this? Imagine if the democrats tried the stunts they pull...!
Its not "republican" or "democrat" that means anything anymore. Evil men/women may go under any label. We need to reassess this whole government and allow only men and women of integrity and high moral conduct to lead our nation......Obama is definitely a good start! No wonder the psychopaths can't deal with him, they just don't get goodness and truth because in their upside down world, they perceive it as its opposite. Forget it, who can explain the minds of fools, losers, and freaks anyway. Lets just vote them out!
Imagine how absolutely horrible it will be if Romney wins. I shudder to think of it.

Past Member (0)
Friday June 29, 2012, 10:15 pm

Lynn Squance (235)
Saturday June 30, 2012, 3:09 am
I think the ACA is a good programme for Americans and the SCOTUS decision is a victory for everyone. It is a victory and it can only get better as it is tweaked. Of course, amusingly enough, the Republican/Teabaggers are harping on it as a tax because Roberts framed it that way. But it is more than likely a tax on the squeezed middle class because premiums are so expensive. The IRS is going to be after millions of people now because of the ACA according to Rubio. The Republican/Teabaggers are changing their tune? They're aligning themselves with the middle class now? Right, and I'm Santa Claus!

I watched the Obama video yesterday through HuffPost and thought he explained things well. And I appreciated his subtle dig at Rmoney and his healthcare plan while governor of Massachusetts. Anyone who listened and studies this a little more from government provided information, NOT from Republican/Teabagger, Faux Noise, Limbaugh or any of the other right wing nut cases, will see how this will help them. If you already have health insurance, it should make it better. If you are one of 30 million Americans without health insurance, this will make it more affordable. It isn't universal healthcare, but it accomplishes a lot. I suspect if the fight was so hard for this, universal healthcare would have been a blood letting battle!

And Mama, that little Republican/Teabagger add, what a pile of crap — but then what would we expect from Rmoney and the Republican/Teabaggers?! Here's another little tidbit from an e-mail from Grassfire Nation (these guys really make me want to hurl just hearing their name!)

"This is a dark day in American history. In affirming the constitutionality of ObamaCare as a tax, the Supreme Court has greatly damaged our Republic and put even more power in the hands of the most radical president in American history.

Without the illegal participation of Elena Kagan — who by all rights should have recused herself — ObamaCare would have fallen. Just as bad, our Chief Justice has turned his back on the Constitution once and for all — siding with the four liberal justices in delivering a ruling that basically puts no limits on the federal government's power to tax and control the American people.

But it clarifies one thing….

The Court's ruling does make one thing clear: There is now only ONE WAY out of the Marxist pit that Obama and the Left have thrown us in to. There is only ONE WAY to repeal ObamaCare and restore our Constitution, protect our families and our liberties.


​I actually feel a bit sick to my stomach right now. The Court's ruling affirming ObamaCare is like a punch in the gut. But I'm not ready to quit. In fact, I'm ready to fight! Because the lasting defeat will come on Election Day if the Marxist In Chief is re-elected and given four more years of power."

Such bear scat! And there are bunches of people out there that buy these lies.

Michael Moore's interview with Lawrence O'Donnell was good and if he said it once, he said it a thousand times — we will go forward, there's no going back now.

Michael Moore ". . . Maybe Mr Roberts is a man of conscience . . ." — I really had to laugh at that one! There is no Republican/Teabagger who is a person of good conscience IMHO.

Ed Show — I watched quite a few segments and the Republican/Teabagger rhetoric is simply mind boggling in its stupidity! One right wing media person mentioned that Roberts was/is on medication for seizures and that this has impaired his cognitive abilities. Give me a break! And Palin — what a nut job! Quoting the 10th amendment and then saying Mr Obama knows nothing of the constitution, and probably hasn't read it. What planet is she from? Can't be earth. Encouraging governors to be tough, and opt out! Then several of them going on record as not implementing the exchanges

One thing that Richard Wolfe said when asked if he thought the Tea Party was going to energise around the healthcare issue before November, he agreed they would. But he also said, in his opinion, the left is energised as well. Another point he made was about jobs. He thinks that the Republican/Teabaggers are so preoccupied over the ACA decision, that they are missing the opportunity to talk about jobs, and the American people care about that just as much if not more.

This all makes me wonder if the Republican/Teabaggers are committing political suicide. I'm sure glad I live in Canada with universal healthcare and none of these histrionics. We have our problems, but this makes them look tame.


Past Member (0)
Saturday June 30, 2012, 7:30 am
This past week, the Supreme Court handed down its decision on "The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (PPCA)", also known as Obamacare.  For most part, the court ruled in favour of the constitutionality of this legislation fuelling more of the GOP and Tea-Party rhetoric.

Among other newsworthy topics of the week, Fred and Marg will be discussing the Court's ruling and the public reaction.

Join Fred and Marg on "Lies My Country Told Me", Saturday, June 30th at 2:00 pm Eastern Standard Time, 1:00 pm Central, 12:00 pm Mountain, 11:00 Pacific and last, but not least, 3:00 pm Atlantic. You can join us in the chatroom or call in and give your opinion to (346) 677-1814.

TomCat S (125)
Saturday June 30, 2012, 8:13 am
Thanks to all. Kudos to Lynn. John, you hve a legitimate beef, but it has absolutely nothing to do with the decision.

Myron Scott (70)
Saturday June 30, 2012, 9:19 am
Well, Chief Justice Roberts has gutted one GOP argument against
Obama, one long favored by Scarlet and the other red-end Care 2
activists: The argument that Obama is an "ineffective" leader.

Health care and civil liberties policies aside, Obamacare viewed
objectively solely as an effective exercise of Presidential power is a
dramatic accomplishment for a first term president. Historically,
finally providing something akin to national health care insurance
after over a half century of failed efforts is epoch-making.

That doesn't mean it necessarily will win more votes for Obama
than it will cost him.

That doesn't mean, as a matter of health care policy, that the individual
mandate is better than a single payer system would have been.

That doesn't mean that Roberts' decision did not authorize a new
kind of central government interference with individual liberty
in the form of the freedom of sovereign citizens in their role as
consumer to refrain from consuming a product or service.
That, said Roberts, is unconstitutional if done under the Commerce
Clause but ok if don't under the taxing power. (???)

When is a fine (unconsitutional) not a fine but rather a tax
(permissible, per Roberts)? Apparently, when it's convenient to say
that it is.

Finally, this is not to say that I think Obamacare is worse than no
national healthcare reform at all. It is not.

But can foul means really long serve a good end? Or was Gandhi
right: The end never justifies the means because, really, there are
no "ends and means"? There are just means to other means.


TomCat S (125)
Saturday June 30, 2012, 10:08 am
Thanks Mtron. Obamacare, as is, is just a first step.

Dotti L (85)
Saturday June 30, 2012, 11:03 am
Thanks for bringing us those great videos.

Elle B (81)
Saturday June 30, 2012, 2:34 pm
Thank-you Tom. Concur with your concise assessment...
...on the most recent political full-court pass demo from the Political Pro-League's Chief Official Roberts. Status: The Political Pro Games MUST GO ON! Commentary: Is Frank Luntz just an over-financed Citizens United Cato Crowd punk posing as a pro? Because Judge Roberts had to feed the missing Bumper Sticker line from the officials' table: IT's A TAX! He burned some midnight fossil fuels astudying those real statistics--the "true majority" of the nation. Chief Roberts then decided to step out onto the floor to demonstrate the ease of a full court pass when teams are pushing, shoving and trash talking at the center line. From the officials' table--he issued the more than obvious public confirmation--the "true-majority" and their elected representatives are still constitutionally legal citizens [due to shear numbers in the arena.] And with supreme timing--signaled to the temptuous and troubled minority amateur double F (Fanatical-Fakes) team posers to back-up under the radar and not ignore the "true-majority" still in the stands if they want to win with the only play THEY know well...confuse, divide and conquer. Meanwhile with big screen wirelesses buzzing and audiences stunned by the official's full-court lob-pass...the illegal unconstitutional Citizens' United rule was used in an official game, further sanctioning that corporations have unconstitutional Free Speech Rights. Judge Roberts is smiling all the way to that island he mentioned--because very few know how the Political Pro-Games are really played...including inept officials at the table. Thus, allowing an illegally financed minority amateur rag-tag team in very expensive uniforms and continue throwing the games. . .with the "true-majority" still buying tickets. RAP-UP: Like it or not...the legal "true-majority" better get real busy--burn some bio-fuels OVERTIME and pay attention 24/7. . .before we are divided, conquered, campaigned, illegally legislated and ruled out of "box-seat" arenas.


Elle B (81)
Saturday June 30, 2012, 3:02 pm
“Health is a human necessity; health is a human right” ―James Lenhart

"Every tax, however, is, to the person who pays it, a badge, not of slavery, but of liberty." —Adam Smith, "Father of Free Market Economics"

''No society can surely be flourishing and happy, of which the far greater part of the members are poor and miserable. It is but equity, besides, that they who feed, clothe and lodge the whole body of the people, should have such a share of the produce of their own labour as to be themselves tolerably well fed, clothed and lodged.'' —Adam Smith, Father of Free Market Economics

”. . .especially when the object is to reduce poverty.” —Adam Smith, "Father of Free Market Economics"

”When the regulation, therefore, is in support of the workman, it is always just and equitable; but it is sometimes otherwise when in favour of the masters.” —Adam Smith, "Father of Free Market Economics"

''Even our commercial policy should hold an equal and impartial hand: neither seeking nor granting exclusive favors or preferences.'' —Adam Smith, "Father of Free Market Economics"

Which book(s) were Ronald Reagan and Margaret Thatcher actually reading from before they incompetently performed their joint disservices? Because it WAS NOT Adam Smith's "Wealth of the Nations" which they kept brandishing about while regurgitating "Big Government is the Problem!" and all that other CATO Crowd economic gibberish.

John Doe (22)
Saturday June 30, 2012, 4:28 pm
What really matters in life? - Healthcare for all, education, helping the homeless or war? The latter is by far the main priority and largest budget of all - Time for change?

Mary T (178)
Saturday June 30, 2012, 7:43 pm
Thanks Tom.Noted.

Alan B (48)
Saturday June 30, 2012, 8:47 pm
The Reagan & Thatcher governments sold off the public assetts to BIG PRIVATE INVESTORS! That was the start of WORLDWIDE DECLINE,because profit was then the bottom line,instead of service! Job losses galore resulted & service went into free fall,the repugs are sharing in money divs from this,but couldn,t give a S.. T about job losses!

P A (117)
Sunday July 1, 2012, 2:47 am
Thanks TomCat - President Obama's speech was excellent - why aren't all his speeches like that?

Sunday July 1, 2012, 9:38 am
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