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TomCat
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TomCat S (125)
Monday July 23, 2012, 12:03 pm
I used to be an NRA member, before it became a shill for the gun industry. I even earned their Sharpshooter award with nine bars. I have nothing against guns or shooting. That said, what the NRA wants is often diametrically opposed to what gun owners actually want.
 

divergent revolution (309)
Monday July 23, 2012, 12:36 pm
what you said Tomcat, minus the part about once being an NRA member.
thanks,working at a prison is extremely altruistic of you.
Impressed.
 

Yvonne White (229)
Monday July 23, 2012, 1:15 pm
This fact alone is horrifying!: "If you are put on the U.S. terror watch list you cannot board an airplane. You can, however, still purchase guns and explosives. According to the Government Accountability Office, “From February 2004 through February 2010, 1,228 individuals on the watch list underwent background checks to purchase firearms or explosives; 1,119, or 91 percent, of these transactions were approved."
NRA members understand this even if their leadership stubbornly tries to protect the gun-ownership rights of terrorists (but they’re patriots I tell you!). 82% of NRA members think this gap should be closed…"
 

Yvonne White (229)
Monday July 23, 2012, 1:17 pm
I grew up around guns. There are Basic things people need to be taught - Assume Every gun is Loaded!:( My dad has many shooting trophies, most of the family hunts..BUT - AR15's & other assault guns are not the same as handguns to help homeowners protect themselves from intruders. They are not the same as hunting rifles or sporting rifles. These weapons are designed for harm and death on big scales, so why would ANYONE outside the military want or need them?
 

paul m (93)
Monday July 23, 2012, 2:06 pm

Noted Tom, I'm not into guns, Like all comments..
 

Carol H (229)
Monday July 23, 2012, 3:05 pm
noted, thanks Tom
 

Joe R (190)
Monday July 23, 2012, 3:31 pm
The issue needs to be looked into and I don't think either party will take on the NRA. Sad! (And Moses - you're pathetic!)
 

Susanne R (236)
Monday July 23, 2012, 4:06 pm
Former Governor of Pennsylvania, Ed Rendell, is one of the most sensible and gutsiest advocates I've ever seen when it comes to gun control. I'm linking a Youtube clip in which he expresses his views. The clip is four years old, but the argument is the same. He was interviewed on MSNBC on Friday regarding the Aurora shootings, but I wasn't able to locate a clip of that interview.

GOVERNOR ED RENDELL AND GUN CONTROL

Why is it that law enforcement wants gun control --but the NRA, the companies that manufacture and sell guns, criminals, and certain mentally unstable individuals don't? From what I've read, a good number of NRA members want better gun control themselves. Why is it that those who are against gun control are winning? There's a whole lot of money to be made in the sale of guns, and that's the only answer that makes sense to me.
 

Mary T (178)
Monday July 23, 2012, 4:55 pm
Thanks Tom, I have never or will ever be a member of the NRA.
 

Past Member (0)
Monday July 23, 2012, 5:09 pm
Thank you.
 

Past Member (0)
Monday July 23, 2012, 6:21 pm
On board with you Tom...Make that two of us
 

Dotti L (85)
Monday July 23, 2012, 8:31 pm
Don't like guns, never did and never saw a movie with Charton Heston because of his being so adamant about the NRA. And Joe, you had me there for a moment (Moses).
 

P A (117)
Tuesday July 24, 2012, 2:12 am
"If you are put on the U.S. terror watch list you cannot board an airplane. You can, however, still purchase guns and explosives." ...... You WHAT??!!! What utter genius came up with THAT?!!! Thanks for the link Susanne R.
 

Gloria p (304)
Tuesday July 24, 2012, 6:14 am
If we had gun control a theater full of people would have saw the show the other night then gone home.
 

Karen Martinez (18)
Tuesday July 24, 2012, 7:14 am
Ok, guns don't kill people, people kill people--but it's way easier to kill someone with a gun than it is with a stick. If we didn't have so many easily accessible guns, we probably wouldn't have so many people killed from gunshots. Don't think the guy in Aurora would have hurt so many if he hadn't had a firearm. Don't think our gang-bangers would be willing to jump out of the car and do a drive-by beating. We've made killing too easy, and desensitized ourselves too much.
 

Arielle S (313)
Tuesday July 24, 2012, 7:21 am
You're all so sensible - what the heck is wrong with the NRA? Maybe we let everybody have all the guns they want and just make the ammunition outrageously expensive?
 

David C (75)
Tuesday July 24, 2012, 7:40 am
guns and ammo don't kill, but people who believe violence and killing are acceptable with guns do.....seems easy to say we have to break that connection....
 

Lynn Squance (235)
Tuesday July 24, 2012, 7:53 am
"Five measures, none of which would violate the very broad reading of the Second Amendment recently given by ultra-conservative Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia; all of which would have an immediate impact in terms of making our families safer, in a country where 34 people are murdered by guns every day–or one Virginia Tech every single day of the year. "

Thirty-four people are murdered daily which is the equivalent to one Virginia Tech every day!

Why is it that when we hear about mass shootings — École Polytehnique, Montréal; Virginia Tech; Columbine; Aurora, Colorado; Tucson, Arizona — we are enraged and start thumping about gun control etc, yet we remain dispassionate about gun control the rest of the time? If there are 34 murders using a gun each and every day in the US, and that is the equivalent of a Virginia Tech, then society certainly has its priorities in a twist.

I suppose the reason is that we don't hear about all the murders, only the select few that involve well known people or celebrities, or those that are in our own little world. Perhaps it is the difference between looking up at the night sky and seeing the stars, and looking at the Milky Way from space. I don't know. But reading that last part of the article certainly hit home.

And then there is the NRA. The profitable gun lobby for the arms dealers. I was appalled that the NRA was rating legislators not too long ago on a particular vote (I can't remember which one) and some Democratic legislators voted with the Republican/Teabaggers because they didn't want a bad rating. That certainly told me all I wanted to know about the real 2012 NRA — too much money, too much influence, and too much power.

Joe, I'd forgotten about Moses, but you're right! I thought of Planet of the Apes and thought how good Heston was chained and caged.
 

Kenneth L (314)
Tuesday July 24, 2012, 8:15 am
The NRA is one of the most insane, corrupt, and vested interest groups in the world IMO.
 

JL A (281)
Tuesday July 24, 2012, 8:18 am
sounds like the NRA has been co-opted similarly to what has happened to the US Chamber of Commerce
 

TomCat S (125)
Tuesday July 24, 2012, 8:20 am
Thanks all. Big rush today, and it isn't Limbarf!
 

Terrie Williams (798)
Tuesday July 24, 2012, 11:22 am
Never have been a member of the NRA nor will I ever be. That said, I own a lot of firearms, some handed down from generation to generation and are not fired, some that were gifts from relatives, mainly father and husband, some I bought for myself. I was trained in firearm safety, use and maintenance by my father, a career Marine. Those of us who have been brought up with firearms know what and how and when and why to use them and have a very healthy respect of and for them. They are NOT toys. I also believe that fully automatic, large clip rifles and handguns DO NOT belong in the hands of the common people. They are strickly for large scale killing, and I ain't talking deer or buffalo -- I am talkin' human beings -- that is ALL they were ever designed for. Period. Military.

If a person cannot be satisfied with a nine-round clip in a semi-automatic 9mm or PPK....one or all must ask then WHY one has that weapon in the first place. If a person cannot protect themselves in their own home with, say, a .357 S&W magnum or say, a Beasley Colt .45, both of which can hold 6 rounds, or even with a 4 - 8 or 12 gauge shotgun with buckshot .....one had better call the cops instead...and hope they get there in time.

Criminals, gang-bangers, mentally unstable individuals do NOT buy their weapons in gun shops or even in big box stores or places like Academy or Bass Pro Shops. They buy them from other criminals on the street or at UNregulated gun shows. That is where the big problem lies -- gun shows. I have never gone to one and have no desire to do so. I've never bought ammo online and do not ever intend to. Therein is another problem - UNregulated ammo purchases over the internet.
 

Robert B (55)
Tuesday July 24, 2012, 12:52 pm
The NRA has lost it's way. Instead of promoting responsibility and GUN SAFTY, they have sold out to the corrupt,corporate political world.
 

Michael Ruger (17)
Tuesday July 24, 2012, 1:00 pm
Why do we need guns in the first place? Truthfully do we even know that?The 2nd Amendment?The first settlersNative Americcans did not have them and got along okay.Sure they had conflicts with other tribes,but did they not try to respect each other tribes rights first?Andwhen and if they gave their oaths THEY KEPT THEM. Why our 2nd Amendment was more about protecting we coloniness after we outright broke treaties with our RED BROTHERS. Oh The RED Brothers started it huh? Nope The French showed them what liers the English were,or maybe showed them . Anyway not much Native American trouble anymore. Oh then attacks from other countries.Our unregulated Militia will save the day.HA HA bunch of paper target and denselless animal shooters doing that. Come on people we know the truth about guns.Those who have them dream they are bigger then those who don't. By the way most of those who have them send others to fight their wars,And sing GOOD BLESS AMERICA A Lot Pledge AlliegenceFly America Flags made in otther coountries,and spread either knowingly or unknowingly hate and distrust of their countrymen. The SADDEST thbing is they believe they are maintainiing THE AMERICAN DREAM. Yep by wantiing people carrying guns into movie theaters. So Sad So Very Sad!
 

Dianna M (16)
Tuesday July 24, 2012, 4:59 pm
One commenter on ReaderSupportedNews accused me of wanting to take everybody's guns away and turn this country into another North Korea. Well God damn if you're so worried about THAT why aren't you upset about the voter purge lists? Where's your outrage on behalf of the citizens who've lived in this country all their lives, some of whom have served in the military, but at 80 or 90 years of age, they show up to vote, and surprise surprise, YOU CAN'T VOTE, WE DON’T THINK YOU EXIST!! But no, even hint that anyone buying 600 rounds of ammunition should be carefully looked at, and watch their panties convulse.

When I go to buy pseudoephedrine I have to show my driver’s license, and I understand there’s a limit to how much I can buy. Why is this? Because pseudephedrin is used in the making of methamphetamines. So, where’s your outrage over that? “That’s different,” I hear you say. You betcha it’s different—I’M NOT COOKING METH, AND THEREFORE NOT KILLING ANYONE. Automatics and semi-automatics have one use, and one use only: killing a lot of living creatures in a short period of time. Therefore, shouldn’t ammunition be tracked as well as my pseudoephedrine “habit”?

. . . one guy also suggested I put a sign in my yard saying, "THIS HOUSE IS A GUN FREE ZONE" . . . as if that proved anything. And I am SO FREAKING TIRED of that old "Guns don't kill people" BS. DAMN some people are totally UNoriginal! And they accuse ME of not being able to think!

. . . End of rant. For now.
 

Lois Jordan (63)
Tuesday July 24, 2012, 5:59 pm
Dianna mentioned pseudoephedrine being "monitored"--so are lighters. Rather than buy just one lighter the other day at Target, my spouse decided it was cheaper to buy a "5-pack" and was asked for his drivers license. When I expressed surprise and bewilderment, we were given a "$5-off" store coupon....to keep us happy, I guess. Oh, the absurdity of it all! Some years back, he also decided, (against my wishes), to become an NRA member--after finding out the organization is rotten to the core, he quit.
The 5 suggestions in the article are a great start. But, in 1994, Congress passed the Federal Assault Weapons Ban--which needed renewal in 2004. Due to heavy "lobbying" by the NRA to members of Congress in both parties, this law was allowed to expire in 2004. I say reinstate it immediately.
I agree 100% with so many of the comments: my deceased dad was a hunter & was all about safety. He must be spinning in his grave at those who "need" semi-automatic weapons to hunt. I don't mean to offend anyone, but when the NRA goes "full guns" to "protect the 2nd Amendment," I almost feel I have to go 180 degrees in the opposite direction just to make the point.
 

Jason S (50)
Tuesday July 24, 2012, 9:31 pm
thanks
 
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