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Election Projection - 9/23


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TomCat
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TomCat S (125)
Sunday September 23, 2012, 12:41 pm
Like the last two weeks, here is my 2012 election map with my projections. Please understand that I am working with the election system we have, although I find that system to be grossly anti-democratic. I shall cover how I would change it at end of the article.
 

Maggie S (40)
Sunday September 23, 2012, 12:46 pm
I posted a lot about the polls this AM! realclearpolitics is one of the best sources for polling updates. Here is the link: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/ And one thing to remember - Rassmussen is a right leaning poll and that is how they sample. Today, the polls give obama 323 electoral votes and he is leading in 9 out of 10 states. I posted a link earlier.
 

Past Member (0)
Sunday September 23, 2012, 12:57 pm
Garbage information. Rasmussen has Obama and Romney tied today. Obama is in deep doo doo for re-election. He's the incumbent President and he is neck and neck with his opponent ...that is very bad news for Obama. Hence, his $35 million estate in Hawaii that "needs" to be move in ready by January 2013. So, Obama's not rich. Who would fund an estate of that magnitude for Obama and his family?

Do your research. Obama is a pure charlatan. He knows he is going to lose in November. This may be the first time he has been right in the past four years.
 

Past Member (0)
Sunday September 23, 2012, 1:07 pm
Thank you Tom. Great blog.
 

Maggie S (40)
Sunday September 23, 2012, 1:15 pm
Hey Diane - Diane in denial - you had better update your polls! YOU ARE IN DENIAL JUST LIKE THE REST OF THE REPUKES! RASMUSSES IS THE LEAST RELIABLE POLL - all right wing! Why can't you guys wake up and smell the roses? Look at the headlines, look at the papers - Obama is killing Romney - he is ahead in 9 of 10 swing states! IT'S OVER DIANE, GET YOUR HEAD ON STRAIGHT!

Today is national Repuke lie day!
 

Past Member (0)
Sunday September 23, 2012, 1:19 pm
Yes, Tom, great left wing media reporting. Pure MSM garbage. Obama is in real trouble in the polls. But you wouldn't know because you have trees in front of you. Romney and Obama are neck and neck and the real change will occur after the debates. Remember Obama HAS to talk about his failed economy, high unemployment, massive debt and his only claim to fame thus far, The Lilly Ledbetter Act. Then he has to face his weakened, detached foreign policy debacle that keeps rearing its ugly head in the middle east.

Obama is in deep trouble and the best thing that can happen to our country is to get the progressives out of our White House. We will never be a socialist country. Obama is a Marxist-socialist and he needs to take that overseas where it might be well received. Meanwhile, countries are going bankrupt because of redistributive wealth and "free" healthcare. Nothing is free. The rich are paying for the healthcare and entitlements in other countries. The rich are leaving these countries because of high taxes in owning a businesses that provide the jobs. The jobs leave these countries....and the decline of those countries follows. First, Greece, next Italy, then Portugal then Spain ... meanwhile Obama is pushing the same agenda that has now failed in these countries.

Pay attention. Know the facts. And understand that the majority of Americans polled have consistently stated that our country is going in THE WRONG DIRECTION. Know what that means.
 

Past Member (0)
Sunday September 23, 2012, 1:21 pm
Maggie, I'm never in denial. Never. Your vernacular is elementary and it's often times difficult to understand what it is you are trying to say. When you use words like "repukes" and "Rasmusses" I have to pause.

Talk like an adult.
 

David C (75)
Sunday September 23, 2012, 1:24 pm
don't know where Anti-Obama Diane gets her 'expertise' but every poll I've seen is closer to Tom's than her spewings.....also @Diane, do you know what Marxism-Socialism is if you think Mr. Obama is one?????
The rich continue to get richer, the stock market is over 13000, and none of those who created the economic downturns are being investigated or jailed......this ain't Socialism and definetely NOT MARXISM....learn to read something that isn't propoganda!!!
 

Past Member (0)
Sunday September 23, 2012, 1:25 pm
Maggie, you are being spoon fed left wing media garbage. The independents will vote for Romney. The Jewish community will vote for Romney. Obama did NOT win by a landslide in 2008 and those who voted for McCain will NOT vote for Obama.

There is rampant "buyer's remorse" among democrats. They won't be voting for Obama again. I'm a logical thinking person. Obama is in trouble as he should be based on four long, arduous years of his incompetent leadership. I personally believe that Obama even knows this by now. He is getting his $35 million estate in Hawaii ready for January 2013.

Stay current.
 

Past Member (0)
Sunday September 23, 2012, 1:28 pm
Dave, that's because you are being spoon fed left wing media garbage. Let's say I'm wrong. When an incumbent president is within a few points of the opposition this close to an election, the incumbent is in a truck load of trouble. Read the history of past presidents in this same situation and then read the results.

Obama needs to be very very worried. Based on his lackluster performance recently I believe even Obama knows he will be defeated in November. For a pure narcissist, this can be devastating. Quite frankly, I believe Obama is ready to leave Washington. The tsunami vote in November 2010 which replaced the big spenders, the liberals, and replaced them with "No spending" republicans shut Obama down in the congress. Even Obama's OWN democrats shut him down for further spending. Hog tied comes to mind.
 

Past Member (0)
Sunday September 23, 2012, 1:32 pm
Dave, I'm "anti" any president who would seal their history from being read by Americans.
 

Kathy B (106)
Sunday September 23, 2012, 1:35 pm
Diane, you poor brainwashed dear being spoon fed right wing media garbage.

You can save your breath and move along to a venue that will listen to your nonsense, you're wasting your time here.
 

Maggie S (40)
Sunday September 23, 2012, 1:41 pm
Diane, I can read ALL of the polls which agree that Obama leads! GET OVER YOURSELF! YOUR BOTED, LYING SOB OF A CANDIDATE IS LOSING!!!! Diane is one of the moronic Anti's here - she is one who is in total denial of the lack of any qualifications Romney has to be President! You can check ANY and ALL polls every day and you will see Obama going up and up! AND GOOGLE CONSERVATIVES AGAINST ROMNEY and see what his once-supporting Repukes say about him!

Diane is in denial - she is one of these fantasy thinkers who cannot accept the truth! Not only about her candidate but about the fact that he is LOSING BADLY!!!!! Did you know that Paul Ryan has starting running ads for his Senate re-election? What does that tell you? God, even hitting these GMO Repukes over the head does not get through to them. YOU DIANE ARE BEING SPOON FED BY THE LIKES OF BECK, BREITBART.COM, REDSTATES.COM - have you even tried to look at legitimate media sources? Of course not! That would be a shock to your delicate sense of reality! AND THEN DIANE, HOW ABOUT THE BOGUS TAX RETURNS ROMNEY TRIED TO PUSH OFF ON US AND EVERYBODY SAW RIGHT THROUGH THEM?

You know what guys, sometimes is it not worth have a battle of with with unarmed people - and Diane qualifies for that in spades!
 

Past Member (0)
Sunday September 23, 2012, 2:04 pm
It is not I who is brainwashed. It is the liberals who know absolutely nothing about the real Obama. He spoon fed you what he wanted you to know about him in his books then he sealed his records so that no one could take a walk down memory lane discovering his past behavior. I call that "more than gullible." So, let's be clear here on who is in denial. You folks don't even know what it is you don't know about Obama and yet....you keep promoting a "ghost."

Maggie, Romney presented one year of a tax return that is required. Beyond that he didn't need to submit more tax returns. You are "assuming" that his tax returns are bogus but, please, I believe the IRS will take care of that if something is wrong....it won't be the liberals determining if his tax returns are correct or not...it will be the IRS and so far....*crickets* they haven't found Romney's tax returns to be bogus or else we would've heard from the IRS by now. So, again, get a grip.

Of course, it is not never having a battle between documented information with someone who hasn't been absorbed emotionally and mentally by "The Messiah." I never thought for a nano second that Obama was qualified to the POTUS and I'm not alone.

Remember, Obama did NOT win by a landslide in 2008 so let us say that 47% of Americans didn't buy into the crap that the liberals bought into....electing a Saul Alinsky "community organizer" to the highest office in our country.

Never fear...I am armed...with the facts. You don't want to face reality and your research IMO is very limited based on the comments you make especially in your vernacular.
 

Past Member (0)
Sunday September 23, 2012, 2:06 pm
Do you know what I find remarkable? On C2NN, on a website of over 20 million members, on a very liberal website, that only a handful of liberals are out here defending Obama. What does that tell you? Over 20 million members and it's the same five or six liberals on C2NN out here promoting Obama.

It would appear that millions of Care 2 liberals must not be feeling what you are feeling otherwise.....where are they?
 

Past Member (0)
Sunday September 23, 2012, 2:11 pm
Noted. Thanks.
 

Joe R (190)
Sunday September 23, 2012, 2:42 pm
Oh Diane, we're here ... just tired of your same old, same old.
 

Past Member (0)
Sunday September 23, 2012, 2:49 pm
Rather than have to get into a pointless debate with a Republican puppet that, like the rest of the Republican extremists, ignores truth for "faith", creating their alleged "facts" out of thin air, I'll just say, Thank you for posting,Tom. Also, I am voting for Obama.
 

Edwin M (346)
Sunday September 23, 2012, 2:50 pm
Wow Diane, calm down before you give yourself a coronary. Obviously you do not care for President Obama which is your prerogative but your ranting isn't affecting anyone but yourself. I know how I am voting and I certainly don't feel I need to defend the President to you or anyone else. Just as you are entitled to vote the way you want the rest of us have that same right whether you agree with them or not.
 

Past Member (0)
Sunday September 23, 2012, 3:00 pm
Joe, Kevin and Edwin, I am passionate about my country, the United States of America. We have a Constitution and we are a Republic. Our country was built on capitalism and the great immigrants who came through Ellis Island to join and become free citizens of the USA. Capitalism built our country and only capitalism can save it from a Marxist-socialist president. I'm beyond passionate and my heart is in the right place. It matters not, Joe, what you are tired of because it matters more to me that my children and grandchildren deserve the same quality of life that I have experienced being an American.

Kevin, all you hear, and most of America is the left wing media manipulation of the actual facts that are being squashed to promote WHO? A man who had serious relationships with radical people at a young age? A young man who dropped to his knees at all hours during the day in Indonesia as a Muslim? A young man who studied the difficult Koran and speaks fluent Arabic? A young man who knew he had to seal his personal records if he was going to campaign to be the POTUS? As president, a man who soon after being inaugurated in early 2009 who went around the world....the world....to apologize for our great country? You support this person? Why? Why would you support a person you know nothing about? Before you criticize my politics check your own....and ask yourselves the hard questions....who is Obama?

No, Edwin, you don't have to defend who you are voting for but what you really should do is ask yourself the hard questions. Who IS Obama? Because if you think you know him you don't know him until you read his book "Dreams From My Father." Once you've read that book if you still support Obama then you are the same as he is....an anti-American. You can't read Obama's "own words" and agree with him and be an American. Obama tells us who he is. He's clear. Beyond that, what you believe is what you own.
 

Carole K (195)
Sunday September 23, 2012, 3:01 pm
OK! Compelled to respond to Diane O.: Yes, very liberal; but that is NOT an insult as you surmise. I reminisce and long for the days of my youth when being called "liberal minded" was pretty much synonymous with being "open minded". We more reticent liberals are quite different than GOP blowhards. We believe in the common good and sacrifice for the sake of others. We do not claim to build everything on our own and we are willing to share with those less fortunate than ourselves. We study the issues and attempt to compromise and collaborate for the welfare of all citizens, not just being motivated by our own self interest. You might refer to us as (are you ready for this?): "the silent majority"; but, alas, that term has been so overused as to identify a quite different segment entirely. LOL! However, TomCat helps me contemplate the current issues and I check his posts daily. As always, thank you very much for your service, TomCat!
 

Maggie S (40)
Sunday September 23, 2012, 3:03 pm
OMG Carol the head case is here!!!!! Watch out for that one - she is the type that, when the reality of this election hits her, will grab a gun and go shoot people! Have you read her posts? Totally out in some alternate reality - they are the danger ones!
 

Maggie S (40)
Sunday September 23, 2012, 3:06 pm
Sorry, that should be DIANE THE HEAD CASE - CAROL IS ONE OF THE GOOD GUYS! Sorry Carol - I gave you a green star!
 

Maggie S (40)
Sunday September 23, 2012, 3:09 pm
Diane should move on. I don't know why she embarasses herself by posting here. It is obvious that she has spots missing off her dice and she is probably a danger to bother herself and other people! Glad she doesn't know where I live! Too much of a whacko for my tastes, but, a perfect perfect example of a Repuke! They should bronze her and put her in Romney's foyer!
 

Edwin M (346)
Sunday September 23, 2012, 3:14 pm
You have the temerity to call me unamerican?I am a veteran and served this country proudly, what have you done to serve your country beside make ridiculous comments on a social networking site?
 

Past Member (0)
Sunday September 23, 2012, 3:16 pm
Maggie, just because you say I am embarrassing myself doesn't make it so. I have flagged your personal attacks three times now. I'm not interested in who you are, where you live or anything personal about you. I'm here as a political poster who is very concerned about the direction of her country. The majority of Americans are very concerned about the direction Obama has taken our country.

Repuke? I'm a republican.
 

Past Member (0)
Sunday September 23, 2012, 3:18 pm
Edwin, you posture as unAmerican if you support Barack Obama. Obama went around the world apologizing for our great country. How does that make YOU feel as a veteran who put your life on the line so that your fellow Americans can live in a free country?

How did that make you feel as a veteran?
 

Edwin M (346)
Sunday September 23, 2012, 3:28 pm
I shall concede defeat, you are apparently right and anyone that disagrees with you is wrong and if I've learned nothing else in my life it's that you never agitate someone that has forgotten to take their meds.
 

Maggie S (40)
Sunday September 23, 2012, 3:36 pm
People like Diane who go off their meds tend to shoot other peole! Can you believe how arrogant she is? What a brazen lying person she is - a real genuin Repuke! AND concerned with our country? That is a real stretch! Go away Diane you are not contributing anything useful here! You are a serious fruitcake, and, you need some help! Go see a shrink before you hurt yourself or someone else!
 

Kit B (276)
Sunday September 23, 2012, 3:38 pm

Estate in Hawaii? Only on some really slanted and unsubstantiated web-sites, probably another concoction of Corsi (conspiracy theorist) a man who could not identify the truth if it bit him on the nose. Why is it un American to not support Romney? That is a strange position for anyone to take in free country. Then again, our freedom has never been in as much jeopardy as since we invaded a country for no other reason then feeding the ego of a lousy president.
 

Past Member (0)
Sunday September 23, 2012, 4:05 pm
No meds, Maggie, none at all. You can try using personal attacks because you don't agree with me but when you do you have to face The Code of Conduct on Care 2. You've already been flagged.

Kit, that story is unfolding. You'll hear more about it but it will take awhile because the MSM won't touch it....not yet...not unless forced to. And you disappoint me by going back to George W. Bush....a president who hasn't been on board for the past four years. Very disappointed in that comment of yours.

UnAmerican not to support Romney? You've taken my words out of context. Please go back and read my comments and then comment. You've surprised me this evening. Usually you are very much on top of things.
 

Kit B (276)
Sunday September 23, 2012, 4:18 pm

The Main Stream Media will not report on climate change, that does not mean it is not true. This is just another mock story. I don't care that some people don't like Obama, but this unending need to demonize him is beyond the pale. I don't care for Romney's ideas, that does not mean I need to create fictional stories about him.
 

Past Member (0)
Sunday September 23, 2012, 4:18 pm
Maggie, your post to me hasn't appeared but I read it on the tracking....what you and the rest of the liberals know is that the republicans do not resort to personal attacks. Why? Because we don't have to. I have never been a follower of Rush Limbaugh. I follow my own interests and my own research.

IMO it is unAmerican for any anyone to follow a Marxist-socialist who just happens to be our president, hopefully, for just a short time. Obama has done a great deal of damage to our country. He has instituted class warfare which has divided our country, has been unable to reach across the isle to get bills passed, and has ignored the seriousness of our middle east situation. I've already gone into his blatant mishandling of the taxpayer's money by investing in green companies all of which have gone belly up. Look, if you support him, that's your choice. I do not support him and I'm counting the days until the majority of Americans vote him out of our White House. He was never competent to be the leader of our country. When he went around the world apologizing for our country....how did that make our veterans feel many of whom lost limbs and other wounds defending our country. How do our veterans feel about a President who would do something like that? I guess we have to ask them.
 

Past Member (0)
Sunday September 23, 2012, 4:27 pm
I believe global warming is a myth. You do not. So we, in adult language, disagree. The MSM was all over global warming when it was an "item." Surprise...it is no longer an important item of discussion because it has gone asleep for now. But, when you take my comments out of context, that is what is happening here and now. I am not creating "fictional" stories about Obama. What I have stated are the facts. They can be hard to digest at times. Watch for more "intel" on Obama's $35 million estate in Hawaii and his library and museum that is taking shape as I write. MSM is not reporting it. Perhaps you need to question why that is not being reported.

 

Mary T (178)
Sunday September 23, 2012, 5:40 pm
Diane you must be one of the 1% or maybe need to take some med, I really think you are nothing but a racist as the rest of the GOP is, Why are you so intent to try and change the peoples mind that are posting on here shouldn't you be watching Fox news, You can call us liberals and socialist it does not hurt us, As I can tell you are the only one on here that is a republican so I think that we have you out numbered so please go away and post your comments on a republican site, Thanks Tom, Obama/Biden 2012
 

Past Member (0)
Sunday September 23, 2012, 5:49 pm
I was going to comment Tom, but to be honest just to many insults going back and fourth for my taste.
 

Kathy B (106)
Sunday September 23, 2012, 6:30 pm
Diane, you are a hypocrite you wish us to forget the worst president to inhabit the oval office, yet you still cling to the debunked 'apology tour'.
 

Beverly T (82)
Sunday September 23, 2012, 6:53 pm
@ Diane.....
I already knew that a vote for Obama is the right choice. But I wish to thank you for confirming WHY my choice is right....repeatedly btw..... I WILL vote for Obama and ALL Democrats on Nov 6.

Thank you Tom for the post.
 

John B (185)
Sunday September 23, 2012, 7:16 pm
Thanks Tom for the projection update. I'm working hard here in Ohio to get it in the blue section of the map. Read and noted.
 

lee e (114)
Sunday September 23, 2012, 7:44 pm
Thanks Tom - just look what you uncovered!
 

Maggie S (40)
Sunday September 23, 2012, 7:56 pm
I have asked, and will ask again, Diane to not comment on any of my posts! She has nothing valuable to say! She is racist and bigoted, and, have you noticed, SHE never posts anything! If she went out looking for information, she would find that her views are NOT supported anywhere. She is a very sad sad person. I think she is a negative element in what can otherwise be a good discussion. I am going to flag all of her comments on my posts and ask Care2 to remove them. I don't like racism or bigotry and Diane promotes all of this. I will continue to flag her on my own posts. I am glad to see that the rest of you find her as awful as I do. Wish she would just go to Limbaugh's blog. I even gave her the link on one of the posts!

If she was not so arrogant that she thinks she is the only one who is right, it would be different. I find her demeanor insulting. I get irritated with Allan Y, but, even though he is a bigot and a racist, he is not nearly as awful as Diane. Besides, I need Allan Y for the animal petitions. Go away Diane, nobody here loves you!
 

Maggie S (40)
Sunday September 23, 2012, 7:57 pm
Everybody - check realclearpolitics.com daily. They update on a daily basis. Good format too.
 

Alan B (48)
Sunday September 23, 2012, 8:58 pm
Dianne O.,Oh1 for the lovely days of George Bush! HE KNEW HOW TO PLAY THE GAME!. Look at the GREAT STATE HE LEFT THE UNITED STATES IN ; WARS OVERSEAS,BIG
 

Alan B (48)
Sunday September 23, 2012, 9:03 pm
debt,unemployment,charged henchman Cheney,yes he did a great work! You,no doubt still say "George Bush is a great man,look what he did for America!"
 

Michael Carney (217)
Sunday September 23, 2012, 11:04 pm
I just find it unbelievable, that most of the Red States, are some of the poorest in the Country, and most of the people in the Red States are part of the 47% Mitt, so effectively told he didn't care about , and what he thinks of you, yet you in the Red States still will vote for him, even though he's against you, and you people vote against your own interests...I don't understand that...
 

Lynn Squance (235)
Sunday September 23, 2012, 11:37 pm
To paraphrase John Paul Jones "We have not yet begun to fight!"

Get out the vote!!!!!

Don't be complacent!!!!!

Vote Democratic 2012!!!!! Vote Obama/Biden 2012!!!!!

 

P A (117)
Sunday September 23, 2012, 11:50 pm
Goodness me - stars to just about everyone, Edwin M, Kathy B, Joe R, Kevin A, Carole K, Kit B, Mary T, Beverly T, John B, Lynn S - but I couldn't send one to TomCat, Michael Carney, Maggie S - the computer wouldn't let me yet. Strangely nothing towards the poor ranting Diane in Denial, poor soul.

Thanks for the excellent political analysis TomCat - you are spot on as always.
 

H Nick H (1826)
Monday September 24, 2012, 12:43 am
My friends, people like Diane just enjoy getting people upset and have no real or factual bases in their thoughts and words. There are always those who seek to destroy the others in any group. Remember, they are only a small percentage of people who seek do disrupt, separate, spread hate, and usually only do this for their own self gratification. They think they are smart and doing something, but this just adds to their delusions of self importance. And when you reply to them, they come back from another way, without ever knowing or showing any facts. it's a wast of good time and space to acknowledge such tripe.
 

P A (117)
Monday September 24, 2012, 7:10 am
Nick - you are quite right - and I will adopt your attitude - have a green star!
 

Kamila A (141)
Monday September 24, 2012, 7:18 am
Nick, you are right.

Obama is going to win 2012, thank goodness. Using the scary words "socialism" and "Marxist" is only frightening to the brainwashed FOX viewers who are already lost in a miserable world of fear. Those systems presented ideas that people found appealing at the time they were introduced for a good reason, because they spoke to the average person who was being exploited. Ignorance of history and the facts plus scary words are not going to win the election for Romney. Fortunately, there are more educated Americans about this, and Americans who hold the true non-hypocrital Christian values of compassion for others who need help ( for example because of the misfortunes of losing jobs due to corporate maneuverings such as Bain Capital's mob-style capitalist ways, or simply when an injury on the job leaves a person unable to provide for his family), and many other nasty methods of "winning" than there are those who are bent on telling lies and trying to regain control of something they only know how to destroy.
Left to the sociopathic ideologies that these so-called Republicans and Conservatives uphold, the world will become a place where the elite will rule, while the rest of us will become their servants just like before Marx had an idea that caught on. Maybe by repeating that word "Marxism" will lead some people who had not even thought of it to say, wow, that guy had an idea! Any anyone with a sense of history would also know that the reason why communism didn't work is exactly why the Republicans also won't work: because the sociopaths are the ones that run with the power because they have no conscience about how to take it and use it.
Why don't we start calling them what they are, this new party of Sociopaths,or the Neo-Sociopathic Republican Party since they feel free to fling the "socialist" word at the liberals, as if it should actually frighten anyone with half a brain. Lets call them what they really are, sociopaths, those who have no heart.
 

Kamila A (141)
Monday September 24, 2012, 7:44 am
By the way, I was out canvassing in Iowa yesterday, and must report that those who were the Romney supporters were almost shaking with rage when I rang the bell. They are miserable people, and very frightened that the sky may fall. The so-called undecideds were also lost in fear, and also very shaky. I left a few older people with the suggestion to help quell their fears that if Romney wins, he will surely go to war with Iran since his supporters want that, and we all know how that will not help our country at all.
 

Kit B (276)
Monday September 24, 2012, 7:46 am

In my not so humble opinion, a person must first read Karl Marx, and then study the USSR, maybe even take a few courses in government and civics before making claims that any one is a Marxist. The most casually used term these days is socialist, next is Marxist used without the benefit of knowing what they are talking about. FYI, the USSR was not a Marxist country, though Karl Marx was used to assist in inciting a revolution, the government was totalitarian, the complete opposite of Marx. Sir Thomas More and Plato both offered their ideas on Utopia before Karl Marx, an idealistic but unfeasible proposition for humans, we are all far to self-centered to attempt to live in peace and harmony. The United States does have, and has had socialism, though even a beginning student would know that socialism in the US is only applied to corporate welfare.

Indeed, we do have more people on food stamps then before, 10% more under Obama. Perhaps if any of his proposals had been considered by Congress those people would be working and not need any form of assistance.

As for climate-change, personal opinions are not relevant, it is real, it's been a growing and consistent encroachment into our lives for over 50 years. That said, I realize that until the coastal cities are inundated, people die and property lost, some will remain lost in their chosen fantasy. How is it that many are only to ready to accept science when it can save their life, but not when they don't like the facts?
 

Carol H (229)
Monday September 24, 2012, 9:02 am
Obama-Biden 2012!!!
 

Nancy L (141)
Monday September 24, 2012, 9:48 am
Diane, you are wasting your time. These posters refuse to see the truth. But I applaude your attempts. Never in my life have seen so many people blinded by the smoke and mirrors.
 

Nancy L (141)
Monday September 24, 2012, 9:49 am
Sending a Green Star is a simple way to say "Thank you"
You cannot currently send a star to Diane because you have done so within the last week.
.If you'd prefer to send a written note, you can Introduce Yourself or Send a Message
 

Kit B (276)
Monday September 24, 2012, 3:11 pm

Contrary to your assumptions it's rather clear that many here have done their research and simply find your candidate lacking.
 

Past Member (0)
Monday September 24, 2012, 3:40 pm
Kit, that's okay. You have your freedom of speech. Bottom line is that the majority of Americans polled feel like our country is going in the wrong direction under Obama. That's a fact. You may not like that but Obama has IMO has wasted and jeopardized our country by two credit downgrades and a weakness in dealing with foreign affairs.

Soon after Obama was inaugurated he went around the world "apologizing" for our great country. No other president would've done that. Now .... it is what it is.

We have an important election in front of us. I hope Obama is sent packing after four failed years in our White House.

Nan, I'm here to get the truth out. The MSM won't give accurate reports as we know. So, in my small way, I'm stepping up to the plate to simply provide the truth....which is not being presented by the MSM.

We now wait and see how the debates go...and then we watch and see how the American people vote. We live in a wonderful country. I love my country. I never want to see my country succumb to a socialist status which will break down the very fibers of our Constitution. Circumventing our Constitution is something Obama has spent years studying. It is wrong for America. So, let the chips fall where they may in November 2012.
 

Nancy L (141)
Monday September 24, 2012, 7:04 pm
Same here Diane. I have been trying for a few years now to do exactly the same. There are many on care2 that simply refuse to see truth.
 

Susanne R (236)
Monday September 24, 2012, 11:07 pm
Oh Diane! When you declared a truce in an earlier post in an effort to....what you described as.... "get me to stop following you around" and asking you to provide credible proof for your "assertions" after I provided credible sources to prove them false, I didn't forget to respond. I chose to wait and see if you'd continue to use the same lies that I had proven false to influence others. I'm glad I waited, because based on your level of activity today and the fact that you're still posting those same lies to make your case proves to me that your request lacked sincerity.

I see that you've resorted to repeating the same lies that have been proven false by Pulitzer-prize winning fact-checking sites, so I'll ask you again to respond to challenges I've made on other posts --still unanswered by you:

Friday August 31, 2012, 10:38 pm
Diane O. --The statement you keep repeating that President Obama "went around the world apologizing for our country early in 2009" received a "PANTS ON FIRE" rating from PolitiFact.com, a Pullitzer Prize winning political fact-checking website. I don't expect you to take my word for it, so here's an excerpt from their final analysis and a link to their ruling in its entirety::

"On the substance of Romney’s charge, we believe that what we wrote in March 2010 still stands. While Obama's speeches contained some criticisms of past U.S. actions, those passages were typically leavened by praise for the United States and its ideals, and he frequently mentioned how other countries have erred as well. We found not a single, full-throated apology in the bunch. And on the new angle Romney has added -- that the trips were intended to offer the president a forum to apologize to other countries -- we think it’s a ridiculous charge. There’s a clear difference between changing policies and apologizing, and Obama didn’t do the latter. So we rate Romney’s statement a 'PANTS ON FIRE": Mitt Romney repeats claim that Obama went around the world apologizing for the United States
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You've commented on more than one occasion that "Obama sold the American people an enormous $860 billion stimulus that created very jobs and each of those jobs cost the taxpayers $350,000.00."

I found similar information on PolitiCheck --but you you managed to find someone who exaggerated even more on the "cost per job" figure. Here's how the rumor got started:

"PolitiFact Ohio found that the statistic originated in a blog posting on the website of The Weekly Standard, a conservative magazine. The posting by Jeffrey H. Anderson attributes the $278,000-per-job cost to "Obama’s economists." But to come up with that amount, Anderson did his own math with figures from a status report on the stimulus by Obama’s Council of Economic Advisers.

Citing the report, Anderson said the stimulus had added or saved just under 2.4 million jobs at a cost to date of $666 billion. He divided the $666 billion by 2.4 million jobs to come up with a rounded-up figure of $278,000 per job."

Their ruling:
The National Republican Congressional Committee, like Boehner and Dewhurst, claimed that the federal stimulus cost $278,000 per job. The NRCC called it "Kind’s stimulus" because U.S. Rep. Ron Kind, D-Wis., voted for it. Our PolitiFact colleagues have twice ruled the claim False and the NRCC offered us no new evidence to consider. We rate its claim False, as well. Stimulus jobs cost taxpayers $278,000 each, GOP committee says in claim against Dem Wis. Rep. Ron Kind
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As mentioned previously,you stated that President Obama went on a world-wide apology tour, which has been proven false relative to "apologizing" being the reason for the trips, yet you go on to state that he isn't interested in foreign affairs. Yet when Callista Gingrich stated that President Obama "weakened respect for America aborad," PolitiFact had this to say:

"Our ruling

Callista Gingrich stated that Obama has "weakened the respect for America abroad."

Using the most reasonable yardstick -- comparing Bush’s last number to Obama’s most recent number -- the United States on average has higher favorability ratings in most countries Pew surveyed. However, America’s favorability has eroded somewhat since Obama’s first year in office, though it’s still above the final levels of the Bush administration. On balance, we rate Callista Gingrich’s statement MOSTLY FALSE.
Callista Gingrich says Barack Obama has “weakened the respect for America abroad”
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I don't know where you're getting your information from, but your source is not doing you, or anyone who reads your comments, any favors. For the sake of the future of our country, we need to make the best possible choice --and in order to do that, we need to know the truth!

To access the original thread: Tell President Obama We Stand With Him - Petition

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After all the trouble you went to in an attempt to destroy our President's reputation and insult my Care2 friends --using information that has been proven false-- I hope that you'll consider going on an apology tour the day after he's re-elected.
 

Susanne R (236)
Monday September 24, 2012, 11:18 pm
OMG!!! I finally found the site where Diane found her information about the home President Obama is purchasing in Hawaii. It's none other than the Weekly World News! You know, the one that brought us Bat Boy and other tales of the fantastic? They might not be publishing hard copies, but they evidently still have a website for their die-hard fans!

Here's the link: OBAMA BUYS $40 MILLION ESTATE IN HAWAII

And that wasn't their top story! The top story: DINOSAURS PLAYED WITH MARBLES!

Enjoy!
 

Susanne R (236)
Monday September 24, 2012, 11:28 pm
While you're on the Weekly World News Website, be sure to read the stories about Megan Fox who, in spite of being married, is actually a man....and the one describing how Kim Kardashian's butt exploded. It also appears that a zombie is running for president, but you have to click on the extreme left or right of the page if you want to learn more about his platform.

Enjoy!
 

Kamila A (141)
Tuesday September 25, 2012, 6:30 am
Susanne........... thank you.
 

Beverly T (82)
Tuesday September 25, 2012, 9:54 am
@ Susanne R.
I'd love to send you a star for each rebuttal but alas I can not. Thank you for your efforts to keep the truth alive.
Keep up the good work.

And koodos to the others of you who also know fact from fiction.

Weekly World News !!@!!!! LMHO !!!!!!!!
 

Past Member (0)
Tuesday September 25, 2012, 2:34 pm
Susanne, follow the news and see how this unfolds. Then get back to me with your comments.
 

Susanne R (236)
Tuesday September 25, 2012, 6:50 pm
Which news sources should I follow, Diane? I haven't seen this story in any credible publication. My extensive online searches lead me to Kevin DuJan, who has his own conservative blog site and writes articles for the Weekly World News, and Jerome Corsi, a well-known conspiracy theorist. Rumors and conspiracy theories aren't news. They're lies with an agenda. I really don't have any more time to waste on writers who are having a good time fabricating ridiculous stories while making money at the expense of the person they're slandering and the readers who buy their books or pay for subscriptions to their online sites.
 

H Nick H (1826)
Wednesday September 26, 2012, 12:32 am
People. You keep falling into a trap by even acknowledging people who live in a bubble and won't look at the truth or even facts. They just now how to attack yell louder, and keep picking up things to argue with others It's their game True discourse is another matter. I always believe to look at other points of view and then discover what is true for you. But, if you base your view on faultily information from propaganda sources like Fox, Crossroads, Rush, and on and on, then you lose credibility on everything. You then appear to be stupid and adversarial.

So stop wasting time and space for people who really don't care. Can you imagine trying to have a conversation with Rush L? You might as well talk with a wall. People like him can only see one way, their way. Why do you think Rush calls his followers DITTO HEADS. (thats a no brainer)
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday September 26, 2012, 2:42 am
The truth always comes out. We should all be seeking the truth.
 

H Nick H (1826)
Wednesday September 26, 2012, 10:29 pm
My friends, you are talking to a wall of ignorance and wasting your time with people who can not think for themselves. Once they are known, they will move on to do this same junk on another place, always trying to deceive and lead astray from real knowledge. Don't fall for their dribble. You waste your time. Instead, go talk to a wall. At least it might echo your thoughts. :)

I've seen these fly by nighters come and go so often on here (and other places). Even much worse than on these posts. Enjoy life, stop watching all the billionaire commercials on tV seek the truth, and VOTE OMABA. and all the other democrats. It's the only way to be safe. I don't normally vote for one party, as I don't trust them all. Especially with billionaires buying our politicians and forcing their views on us all.
 

Past Member (0)
Thursday September 27, 2012, 3:17 am
Seeking the truth won't result in voting for Obama. Obama has to run on a lousy four year record. Obama will go down in history as our worst President. He has earned that title all by himself.
 

Kamila A (141)
Friday September 28, 2012, 3:25 pm
Actually, its Baby Bush, worst ever president, and should be in prison along with Darth Cheney, and that's just the Truth.
 

Steve H. (0)
Friday September 28, 2012, 11:56 pm
Hi all
I am new to this site and pretty much like what I have read from most people here. What bothers me is the fact that some people make stuff up, distort the facts, and belittle others with childish name calling rants..
I am an Independent and vote my conscience. I vote for the person I believe that will do the best job, and unfortunately this time around it's not the republican nominee.
The president of the United States has many responsibilities as the leader of the free world. While president Obama dealt with the economy, he also had to wrangle with two different wars he himself didn't start, along with the fact that he took out Bin Ladin.
I believe he has done as well as any president could have in his situations. I just can't get over the fact that people allow their beliefs and opinions to completely engulf any common sense they might have had otherwise.
For those who think that name calling, flaming, bashing others for their beliefs is going to sway them in your direction you are totally wasting your time and energy. All you are doing is reinforcing their intentions! I for one am not swayed by names, false claims..









 

TomCat S (125)
Saturday September 29, 2012, 8:37 am
Thanks to most. Do not feeds the trolls.
 
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