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The Mandate and the Cliff


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TomCat S (128)
Friday November 16, 2012, 10:06 am


When GW Bush claimed that his mandate gave him political capital to spend, he had won (albeit Diebold assisted) by 2.46% of the popular vote. Republicans agreed that Bush’s mandate was clear. Barack Obama just won by 2.85% of the popular vote, but Republicans claim he has no mandate. Obama clearly has a mandate to govern, because Democrats also gained seats in both the Senate and House. In fact more voters voted for House Democrats than House Republicans. Republicans maintained control in the House only because they have abused power to stack the deck through gerrymandering. Obama must therefore govern from strength as we approach the speed-bump, exaggerated as the fiscal cliff.
 

pam w (139)
Friday November 16, 2012, 10:56 am
Thanks, Tom!
 

Kit B (276)
Friday November 16, 2012, 11:10 am

This is no joke, and the red states that are screaming are those that will be most in jeopardy, they rely most heavily on Federal money to keep their services going, on the state and city level. The percentages of wins and loss are far less important than the clear and certain fact that the people spoke. It's past time for the Congress to stop the in fighting and grumbling and get to work. Leave your politics at the door, roll up your sleeves and get to work, ya know that stuff you are paid to do, and paid well.
 

divergent r (309)
Friday November 16, 2012, 11:29 am
Is this why 19 states were whining about secession?
 

Terrie Williams (798)
Friday November 16, 2012, 12:27 pm
Hey, Kit, did you see or hear where our Fearful Leader of TX, Gov Good Hair Perry, is backing way away from secession now. LOLOLOL.....know why too....he wants to run for Prez again and he can't do that as Prez of TX....not to mention line his pockets with Federal money. My My My........what a TOOL.

If the Rethugs won't work on this problem then I say call their bluff and let it go off the cliff like lemmings, then, set forth new legislation to fix the friggin problems.
 

Gene J (287)
Friday November 16, 2012, 12:47 pm
There was a time when I'd have been happy to let the dixiecrat states secede, and good riddance. As long as they pay their own way, being the heaviest consumers of federal dollars that they are because of their refusal to take personal accountability for themselves and their states, wait, where have I heard that before?

This really is a speed bump but one which could do real harm to those receiving extended unemployment benefits and those about to become eligible for them. They'd hurt and badly if at least a temporary agreement to keep those in place isn't completed by the end of the year. The rest, well, yes, the President does have the bully pulpit and there is no way for the right wing to save face here, either they are going to agree to raise taxes on those over 250,000 or they are going to be responsible for raising taxes on everyone. Not the way to increase your base, dudes. They have no leverage, and the saner ones among them know it. So we're not talking the secede petitioning folks, they are obviously unhinged. The President does have a mandate and he's right to use. I'm sorta enjoying this part.
 

Elle B (81)
Friday November 16, 2012, 1:09 pm
Ty Tom. Until genuine detailed ideologies and the ongoing effects of The Southern Strategy/Neo-Racist, Radical Evangelical and Libertarian-Austrian School Economic "affiliates" are understood by the "majority" of the electorate the problems in Congress will not be solved. The coals will always be smoldering ready and waiting for new fuels to flame up again. Republicans cannot win national and many state/local elections without Neo-racist, Radical Evangelical and Austrian School Libertarian votes. The leaders and financial sponsors of those segments KNOW THIS--and want their ideologies legislated and to be the Rule of the Land. Republican candidates are obligated to these constituencies and their agendas--hence the constant dog whistling and obstruction. So-called moderate and centrist Republicans live in continual denial and do not know who and what they are actually voting for and with. Democrats et al who think the lying, denying, obstructionist behavior can be remedied through compromise without addressing this issue are co-dependents in denial. It is a tangled web dynamic that must be revealed beyond mere pundit opinions and political campaigns but by statistical analysis and factual presentation of the true agendas and ideologies of the Austrian School Libertarians, Radical Evangelicals and the Confederate Racist Southern Strategy/Neo-racist constituents. The overlap and dynamic of these socio-economic political influences MUST be clearly presented to the American populace. Otherwise these players will just regroup, re-configure and re-brand to inject the same toxic nonsensical illusory misinformation that serves to confuse and is lethal to participatory democracy and genuine free-markets. We are still just putting out fires intentionally set in the underbrush.

 

Tamara Hayes (185)
Friday November 16, 2012, 2:15 pm
To all of the whining, back pedaling, money sucking, obstructionistic Repuklicans, and you know who you are, shut the f...k up and let the President actually get to work and work with him instead of planning your next schemes. He won, get over it already.
 

Yvonne White (229)
Friday November 16, 2012, 2:40 pm
The TeaBagger RepubliCONs don't seem to recognize a True Class War when they see it - WE are mad as hell & we're NOT gonna take it any more! WE get Our way this next two years or there won't be ANY RepubliCONs winning Anything there after!
 

David C (29)
Friday November 16, 2012, 3:37 pm
Thanks Tom
 

John B (185)
Friday November 16, 2012, 4:53 pm
Thanks Tom for the post and both clips from the Ed show.The President needs to stand strong because the GOP knows that they will be held accountable if nothing is done. Read, viewed and noted.
 

Mary T (178)
Friday November 16, 2012, 6:25 pm
Thanks Tom, Noted.
 

Shelly Peterson (213)
Friday November 16, 2012, 9:43 pm
Someone send Yvonne a zillion green stars and Tom, too!...for me!!(I am out for a couple of days!).............
When I first found Care 2, I was so excited!! intelligent people, that know what they are talking about..share their opinions..and I could balance it next to what I WAS HEARING AND READING IN "my community media..VIA t.v, radio , local newspapers and major newspapers...AND i SIGNED UP AND PAID FOR A 2 YEAR SUBSCRITION TO " THE NATION" MAGAZINE ..( even bought one for my Mom, up in Antacortes!!!) which I read a bit everyday on the bus going to work!...then I would get home, get on Care2, , READ AND EDUCATE MYSELF!!!...(I believe , I am one of the luckiest people on the face of the Planet, as I met all of you!!!.....I asked and I received...and it kind of .."blew me away""...and I have said thanyou every day..AND NEVER LOOKED BACK, except to say 'THANKYOU!! FOR YOU AND YOUR INTELLIGENCE, and the fact that your will share that with all of us!!!"..when I didnot understand or questioned an opinion, I asked and you answered!..and then i could research some more and develope "my own logical opinion"...before, I relyed on MSNBC, which I loved..at work they have cut me off, but say that when we get to the next new shop, I can have a T.V and hear my own radio "politics", as long as I keep making them this kind of a profit margin!!!!......yeah!!!..."I still have the radio on!!!"..until the afternoon..the compromise is!..."whatever!"..that is fair and that is democracy!!...(I have a winning edge! I like hearing the opinions of what the channel they listen to are saying...music, I am not into the heaviest of hard metal...(I am a jazz/R & B ,1!st,... they hate!so compromise= I get politics and you get heavy Metal and everyone is called," Hollah, bitches!!!What's on your mind?"......compared to KIRO radio...they are so closest to and promoting truth!!! ...and telling the stoners: get with the politics!..It matters!!!....I am so OBAMA and DEMOCRAT!!!..2 years ago , before i was laid off and we had the TV on, most our clients are Military, and they would be gathered around MNSBC listening to what I had on..if you could hear it over the machines, including them asking , " Can we please hear this!?!"= MSNBC!!!..that was 2007- 2010
 

Shelly Peterson (213)
Friday November 16, 2012, 9:57 pm
Oh! SORRY!!....THE radio station that says "Hollah bitches, whats on your mind?"...tTHEY ARE THE MOST TRUTHFUL ABOUT INTERNATIONAL POLITICS AND OURS HERE IN THE USA!!...when they have the ".."to comment, which they do......!!!!THEY ADDRESS THE TRUTH DAILY!!!!.....but they do it in a way, to let them on the air, for their clientele..l.!!!it is like politics plus for and from '""STONERS"!!...which they are addressing that situation too!!, quiite effectively!!!....(Ken said tonight, I have to "bounce" you can change the channnel!....naw , this is a great convo and topics!!!".."WHAT!!?!"...."I like it, great convo!"...(truth scares some! augh!, oh well, whatever!)
 

Shelly Peterson (213)
Friday November 16, 2012, 10:35 pm
(sorry Tom, that I AM TAKING UP SPACE!).....WHAT I am tying to share is...WE need to talkk to everyone, in what ever manner will make sense to them, that THEY WILL LISTEN TO TRUTH AND BE PART OF THE SOLUTION AND NOT THE PROBLEM...LIKE BOUGHT BY "TEA pARTY/ , VOTE FOR gop BECAUSE YOU ARE TOO STONED, DADDY PAID THE BILLS AND TOLD YOU TO DO SO!!!....(THAT IS WHAT THESE GUYS SAY!!...i AM LIKE, "oh yeah!!!!!THANKYOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)..(okay, silently, i AM PRAYING FOR MY BROTHER,..lost cause , idiot,...but these guys GOT TO HIM!!!...My Mom, TOLD ME!!!...THAT DAVID YOUR BROTHER, had been listening to some heavy metal radio program....and said he voted for Obama!!...Shelly, I have hope now that Obama has been re-elected!!....(even your brother and my son, just VOTED FOR OBAMA!!! WE MUST CELEBRATE!!!)..... there is always hope when the truth is told, OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN...and we all have "guts" to stand up for the truth!......my brother, the Puke, just voted for Obama!!...FOR REASON, FOR FACTS...and put his prejudice aside, FOR LOGIC!!!! (AND I think he finally go the math and realizes, HE WON'T GET ANY HEALTH CARE FROM ROMENEY!!!...let alone trying to "work" anything...my brother and people like him ,are part of the problem..they suck up any help that the rest us might need once in a while, just to get up back on our feet due to economic DOWNTURNS.., while he sits at home, getting stoned and declaring "EVERYONE OWES ME!..I ask , what!?! You are not all that and a bag of chips!!you're stoned!! sober up and get with the rest of society! You have so much talent!..but like this, you are a suck-ass!.....I pay my taxes gladly...wish I could have a turkey dinner..but I am still so thankful to have a roof over my head and back to work!..and there is so much volunteer work to do!!!...and Care2 and your posts, keep me up to date and focused on the truth!!...and the daily motivation to click to donate, sign the ever increasingly important petitions...and "listen " to garbage" and motivate for truth!!! AND JUSTICE!!!......so Thankyou!...and the REAL TRUTH IS, we had a "breather "for 2 days, TIME TO GET BACK TO WORK ...with our family, neighbors and coworkers, people on the bus, standing in line in the grocery store...ANYWHERE, WHERE THEY B RING IT UP!!!....JOIN IN!!!
 

P A (117)
Saturday November 17, 2012, 12:11 am
"Bear in mind, that if no deal is reached now in the lame duck session, there is no immediate need to change the rates at which taxes are currently withheld, so there need be no immediate effect on wage earners. There is no doubt after the first of the year, every item on the list will be fixed, because the political cost obstructing them will be more than the Republican Party can stand." Thanks TC!
 

Lynn S (235)
Saturday November 17, 2012, 5:23 am
McConnell — "…an opening bid of $1.6 in new taxes just isn't serious … it's a joke …"

Rush Limbaugh (from a Lawrence O'Donnell segment) — "… I'm seeing the signs of Republicans giving in on opposing new taxes…"

The trouble is, these are NOT new taxes. When Baby Bush brought in the tax cuts, there was a built in expiry date to those cuts. Mr Obama extended those cuts. So how do McConnell and Rush manage to justify not going back to the tax rates in place before Baby Bush's tax cuts? How do they manage to see these as tax increases?

I think that the Republican/Teabaggers are starting to self destruct over the fiscal cliff. Publicly, Boehner it seems is starting to "soften" his stance and mentions putting 'revenues' on the table for discussion along with spending costs. But McConnell, seems to be laughing about it all, and seems to be digging his heals in even more if that is possible. Other Republican/Teabaggers are moderating their stance, although I'm not convinced, even remotely, that they are serious. By making some of the spending cuts, the cuts will filter down to municipalities and basic services for education and protection (and others) will diminish or disappear. Nick Hanauer, a billionaire and member of the Patriotic Millionaires has said that tax rates for the wealthiest should go up to the Clinton era rates and then some.

I guess we're just going to have to wait and see over the next days and weeks how this unfolds. Although I have no stake in this personally, I hope that Mr Obama and the Democrats hold the line without giving anything up. There is a football cheer I remember from my high school days that I hope characterises Mr Obama's stand. "Roll 'em (GOP) back! Roll 'em back! Way back!"

 

TomCat S (128)
Saturday November 17, 2012, 8:46 am
Thanks everyone. Kudos to Gene, Elle, Shelly and Lynn. Atg thiw point we just wait and see.
 

Dotti L (85)
Saturday November 17, 2012, 1:19 pm
Shelly, my friend and almost neighbor. Don't worry about space taken. Love you too and your comments.
 

Rita White (1)
Saturday November 17, 2012, 2:20 pm
Mr Obama has to hold the Congress accountable and remind them it is not about them it is about all of us. Their jobs will come up for re-election and then we will show them who the boss really is. we are their boss and it is time we hold each senator and reprensenative accountable for the quality of their work. are we not held accountable at all of our jobs? Mr Obama can do his job with our help. we must write , email and call our elected officials to get them to do the right thing for the American people. we can not leave Mr Obama by his self and then fuss when he can't get through to the hardheads he has to deal with.
 

Shelly Peterson (213)
Saturday November 17, 2012, 9:39 pm
Zillions of green stars, to you, Dottie!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

TomCat S (128)
Sunday November 18, 2012, 7:33 am
Thanks all. Amen Rita!
 
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