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US Politics & Gov't  (tags: HOP Hypocrites, GOP Lies, Maddow, NRA, Public Safety, Sabotage, Video )

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TomCat S (125)
Thursday June 20, 2013, 2:01 am
The ATF has been unpopular with extremist gun-nuts ever since the ATF attempted to seize the illegal weapons cache at the Branch Dravidian compound in Waco, TX, resulting in the subsequent destruction of that compound by the FBI. For the extreme right, it's a serious enough matter that it prompted one of their number, Tim McVeigh, to bomb the Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City, because it contained an ATF office. He has been lionized by the Tea Party to the extent that Tea Baggers have celebrated that date by bringing their weapons to "Open Carry" protests near Washington, DC. But Republicans have actually found a much sneakier way to keep the ATF from enforcing gun laws, and Democrats want to change it.

Gloria picchetti (304)
Thursday June 20, 2013, 2:46 am
Ah ha! The republicans are killing two birds with one stone. In the 38 word clause they eliminate a permanent director and they get to waste time confirming a temp. Nice work if you can get it.

Carol H (229)
Thursday June 20, 2013, 4:58 am
thanks Tom, noted

laura r (6)
Thursday June 20, 2013, 5:31 am
by fair means or foul, repubs have made a mockery of this country.

Kit B (276)
Thursday June 20, 2013, 5:31 am

The ATF did contribute in a real way to its' own bad reputation, that doesn't mean it should no longer function, but rather needed a new administration to redirect the task of the AFT. Do we really need a big bureaucracy that attempts to control alcohol, almost completely managed by local governments, tobacco not that many people smoke and this too managed by local governments, firearms. Firearms the one directive this bureaucracy could managed if they had a clear mandate for exactly what they are to enforce. They are meant to be an arm of law enforcement and an arm to the IRS (by enforcing proper taxation on alcohol and tobacco). If they functioned for only one of those tasks, firearms; in today's mood in the Congress they would still be number one on the Congressional *&%# list, but would have a clear, precise directive on the goals of the organization.

Muddling and meddling by Congress with either political, social or enforcement issues just does not add to the public safety or welfare.

Kit B (276)
Thursday June 20, 2013, 5:35 am

It is still true that nearly 90% of the people, even NRA members want a background check before the sale of firearms. Hell is not freezing but the ice caps are melting so maybe, just maybe this very mild bill can finally pass in the House and Senate and this could be something the ATF is charged with policing.

Past Member (0)
Thursday June 20, 2013, 6:25 am
Noted. Thanks.

Carlene V (202)
Thursday June 20, 2013, 6:37 am
They'll do whatever the NRA's lobbyists tell them to. They want those high grades, a A or A- so they can garner more votes from the uninformed (by faux noise, et al) who think the government will be at their door in the near future to confiscate their guns. Durbin has a possible solution but it won't make it off the floor. Too bad we are making such fools of ourselves to the rest of the world.

David C (29)
Thursday June 20, 2013, 8:04 am
Noted. Thanks.

Chris C (152)
Thursday June 20, 2013, 8:56 am
It will be interesting to see if DIck Durbin can pull this off. I PRAY for the day the Repugs nail that last nail in their coffins and the Progressives take both the House and the Senate so that this country can...FINALLY...come back to the greatness that it was!

Winn A (179)
Thursday June 20, 2013, 11:35 am

Lynn S (235)
Thursday June 20, 2013, 11:46 am
As I read from top to bottom of the article, I find that I can put it no better than you have in summary. This is what I was thinking.

"The hypocrisy here is extreme, because Republicans are saying that we just need to enforce the laws we have, at the same time they are preventing those laws from being enforced. I like Durbin's bill, but I see no chance of its passage as long as Republicans control the House. "

The only difference is that I say Durbin's bill has less chance of suriving than a snowball in hell!

If the Republican/Teabaggers are trying to rebrand themselves, they are doing a piss poor job! A leopard does not change its spots! They are the same extremist party that they have been for some time now!

John Coleman (18)
Thursday June 20, 2013, 1:59 pm
Scrap the BATF totally. Move its one function that has some merit, bomb making analysis, to the FBI.

Fred Krohn (34)
Thursday June 20, 2013, 2:07 pm
The Democrats and their unconstitutional gun control laws are the problm here, not the Ta Party and other conservatives. Ban the BATFE, NSA, DEA, FEMA, DHS/TSA, IRS, and all 'czars'.

Birgit W (160)
Thursday June 20, 2013, 2:45 pm

Robert K (31)
Thursday June 20, 2013, 3:44 pm
Fred you nitwit, read the entire 2nd amendment. You DO NOT have the right to own a gun.

Not all Democrats are on the right side, but no Republicans are.

Instead of relying on the ATF, Obama should have the treasury hire a spitload of new FBI agents with their division to duplicate the ATF mission. In fact he should shift thee ATF agents to the FBI which would obviate the hiring of new agents or spending more money on their pay.

The Communist party was outlawed for decades and they never did one millionth the damage to America that the Republicans. We need to outlaw the Republican/bagger party.

At least until they regain their sanity. As you can see from good ol' Fred's every post, sanity is sorely lacking on the conservative side.

Robert K (31)
Thursday June 20, 2013, 3:48 pm
Actually Kit, the Alcohol division of ATF is very important. It's the only thing standing between the corporations who would cut every corner possible to increase their profits, including serving up bathtub gin.

I'm not familiar with the Tobacco division, but I'd bet the same sort of thing would happen there, including additives that make tobacco even more addictive and attractive to minors.


John B (185)
Thursday June 20, 2013, 6:59 pm
Thanks Tom for the post and the Maddow video segment. This has no chance of passage with the GOP majority in the house. That's why the 2014 elections are so important. "Throw the bums out" Read and noted.

Jim Phillips (3247)
Thursday June 20, 2013, 7:14 pm
Be sure to listen to Rachel Maddow's video on what happened to the ATF in the Visit Site.

Rachel explains it all.


TomCat S (125)
Friday June 21, 2013, 4:08 am
Thanks to all but the one. Kudos to Kit, Lynn, and Robert.

Scott haakon (4)
Friday June 21, 2013, 8:18 am
Is this agency necessary? The problem with many of these agencies is that they have rule making that does not go through congress. people who believe in the 2nd amendment are human beings and name calling is not functional. IMO they are right. We must stand by the constitution. It is not about political correctness. It is abour balances.

TomCat S (125)
Saturday June 22, 2013, 3:25 am
Scott, while the agency is not necessary, the function is. I believe in the Second Amendment, but as it is written. TEAbaggers is the name the Tea party chose to refer to themselves. I'm all for balances. I want balance between the right to own a gun and a requirement to demonstrate legality, training, and ability to use it safely.
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