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TomCat S (127)
Saturday March 7, 2015, 10:38 am
It seems that we can’t turn on the TV anymore without seeing a burning oil train polluting the environment, despoiling waterways,and threatening lives and property. Unfortunately, what makes that all seem insignificant to the criminal corporations and corrupt politicians that allow Bakken crude trains, is the huge profits they also carry.

Lady S (446)
Saturday March 7, 2015, 10:50 am
o.o Another one?! What's that like 5 in the past month or so?

JL A (281)
Saturday March 7, 2015, 11:05 am
Thanks for including the technical information about this kind of fire operation to give us a more accurate understanding of such events compared to normal news coverage TC.

Joanne Dixon (37)
Saturday March 7, 2015, 11:12 am
Interestingly, BNSF is the line that runs cars by my place. A little digression here - my community did go to our county council and requested assistance dealing with the railroad. The assistance they requested, and received, was to give the railroad an exception so it doesn't have to make noise when approaching an intersection. Seems my neighbors were having trouble sleeping.

I love your statement "Comparing a BLEVE to a controlled BURN is like comparing a KKK Republican to Mother Theresa." The only thing in common there is a) both have flames and b) both oppose(d) abortion rights.

Winn A (179)
Saturday March 7, 2015, 11:45 am

Vivian B (169)
Saturday March 7, 2015, 11:59 am
I think they are detailing these oil trains on purpose! They want their Keystone XL so bad that they are making it impossible for the oil trains to get through safely!
I SMELL A RAT! Too many at once to be accidental!

Past Member (0)
Saturday March 7, 2015, 11:59 am
It's like the movie Groundhog Day lately.
Wake up...oil burn, white officer shoots an African American, the truly loonies wasting air time with their attacks on The President.

Chris C (152)
Saturday March 7, 2015, 12:32 pm
Anything the oil industry puts out is a damned LIE!

Pat B (356)
Saturday March 7, 2015, 12:58 pm
3 is way too many!!! I'm praying that no one gets or is injured, and that Gelena is far enough away from the BLEVE. Thank for for the lesson on that too, TC.

Arielle S (313)
Saturday March 7, 2015, 1:07 pm
Meanwhile, the wind farms once again did not explode or pollute nearby rivers.

jan b (5)
Saturday March 7, 2015, 2:05 pm
Conspiracy anyone ?

Yvonne White (229)
Saturday March 7, 2015, 2:23 pm
Who could have foreseen..;) I am getting suspicious that these fires are on purpose to raise the price of gas again..;)

David C (81)
Saturday March 7, 2015, 3:19 pm
leave the poison in the ground

David C (81)
Saturday March 7, 2015, 3:21 pm
.....can we also suspend the no sledding rule???? great question! I think we should!

Seth E (82)
Saturday March 7, 2015, 4:02 pm
The API says that the Bakken crude is no more volatile than other crude, and even scientific studies have said so, but those studies were funded by API.

Anyone with half a brain can see that this crude is extremely volatile, and it is also highly suspicious that there have been so many of these derailments so soon after KXL was rejected.

If API can fund their own "scientific studies", I doubt it would be beneath them to fund sabotage to further an agenda, too.

pam w (139)
Saturday March 7, 2015, 4:18 pm

Mitchell D (82)
Saturday March 7, 2015, 6:38 pm
Oh, the API funded the science? Then it has to be iron clad, absolute truth!
I think Vivian may have something there.

Janet B (0)
Saturday March 7, 2015, 7:37 pm

Edith B (146)
Saturday March 7, 2015, 9:21 pm
It is fortunate that no lives were lost this time, but what about next time? The burn in Wv recently destroyed one home, those people now have to put their lives back together. There just are not enough of us protesting this horrible situation, more citizens need to get angry and let our government know we are not putting up with this anymore.

Hent catalina - maria (95)
Saturday March 7, 2015, 11:16 pm

P A (117)
Saturday March 7, 2015, 11:36 pm
Over here 'Twitter-storms' seem to make politicians think again – I do wish something like that would happen over there re these terrifying oil trains – I worry a lot for my friends over there who live within a mile of the tracks (ten or twenty years ago, no-one would have EVER have thought that wasn't too close to be safe!). Please people, protest – send me any petitions and I will sign them!

I just put 'petitions against america's oil trains' in my search engine and found this which worried me   – up to 5 miles of oil trains a day proposed – through Vancouver! That was the only one that seemed current.

TC your experience sounds utterly terrifying – and a BLEVE sounds beyond terrifying. God protect the innocent – the oil companies, train companies and local councils seem to be ignoring them!

P A (117)
Saturday March 7, 2015, 11:50 pm
Have just seen Vivian B's idea - I'd never have thought of that - oh dear!

Lynn Squance (235)
Sunday March 8, 2015, 1:26 am
Here are 2 more oil train petitions:

Stop subsidising dangerous oil trains From the petition: "But a new Reuters analysis has found that state governments and the federal Department of Transportation alike have handed out tens of millions to expand crude oil rail transportation across the country. The public assistance in states like New York, Pennsylvania, Ohio, and Oregon comes as railroads are posting record profits, and as authorities press for safety overhauls that the oil and rail industries have opposed."

President Obama: It's time to ban oil trains From the petition: "From today's event to 2013's massive oil train explosion in North Dakota to the 47 people who lost their lives after an oil train explosion in Quebec, it is clear that oil trains put our communities at risk for death, injury, and destruction. "

IMO, rail companies and probably oil companies are taking short cuts to move the oil all in the name of profits. Inadequate rail car maintenance, the wrong parts on some trains, inadequate staffing for the amount of work that needs to be done are all problems. This most recent bomb train near Galena, Illinois is just one more example of rolling death.

There is an interactive put out by Forest Ethics that allows you to find out if you are within a half mile or full mile of a potential rolling bomb. (It is attached to a petition but the petition itself is not active). Where I live, there is an Imperial Oil refinery about 3-4 kilometres away. The rail line runs through an all residential area such that I am within the half mile radius. Within that radius, there are also high rises so the density is thick. Take the time to see how close you are.

Oil train Blast Zone How close are you? Are you within the oil train blast zone?

Gloria p (304)
Sunday March 8, 2015, 4:51 am
Is the oil mafia warning everyone that a pipeline would be safer?

Lona G (66)
Sunday March 8, 2015, 6:52 am
Thanks for all the technical knowledge on this accident, TomCat. If you, a former volunteer firefighter, can tell that their "controlled burning" is a load of crock, especially when the local firefighters have told Rachel that they had to flee the scene, leaving $10,000 worth of equipment behind, it really puts authorities to shame who do not seem to "pick up" on that.

Three derailments in just as many weeks, uncontrollable fires and exploding cars close to towns, trains as long as 140 cars all filled with this highly volatile stuff running of the rails. Is there any safety protocol in place for these trains as to the speed, number of cars, weather conditions, maintenance of the tracks...? Don't answer, there either isn't, it's a hundred years old or no one abides by it. Because the profit is all that counts, as usual.

Seth E (82)
Sunday March 8, 2015, 10:53 am
With just a quick search, I found a study from The American Fuel & Petrochemical Manufacturers (AFPM), no doubt an impartial group; the API tooting their own horn citing such an "independent" "third-party" study from North Dakota Petroleum Council (NDPC); and another study done by Turner, Mason & Co., but a quick look at the About The Firm for Turner & Mason indicates that they offer "engineering and management consulting services for the petroleum and petrochemical industries".

Well, damn, with such reliable parties telling us this stuff is safe, why don't we just start believing them, right?

Hell, we can be deceived about the color of a dress, so maybe this isn't really toxic fire burning at these derailments after all. It's probably just a shower of puppy dogs and rainbows.

TomCat S (127)
Sunday March 8, 2015, 11:12 am
Thanks all. Very tired.

Lori D (183)
Monday March 9, 2015, 4:11 pm
They upgraded the tanks cars from DOT 111's to the CPC-1232 model with thicker walls. Supposedly not as easily penetrated. There are still hundreds of thousands of DOT111's on our tracks transporting volatile oil not to mention other things. Yet the last major oil incidents involved the newer model. Not as safe as they? This includes the incidents in WV recently and last summer in Lynchburg VA! And wait till you hear about the insurance . . . most likely you and I will be covering the brunt of the clean up!

Katie & Bill D (107)
Wednesday March 11, 2015, 11:05 pm
so scarey to those of us that have tracks close to us!
thank You tomCat
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