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TomCat S (125)
Saturday May 23, 2015, 12:47 pm
The Patriot Act, which I have always called the Unpatriot Act, is so vast complex that writing it could not have been done in less than six months. Yet the Republican Reich had it ready to shove down peoples throats less than a week after 9/11. Neocons at AEI and PNAC must have prepared it months in advance in hopes that a “Pearl Harbor incident” would give them an opportunity to gut the Constitutional Rights of the American people.

Kathleen M (208)
Saturday May 23, 2015, 1:24 pm
Noted with glee! Thanks foe sharing, TomCat. At last, the beginning of the end of peeping tomfoolery!

Animae C (509)
Saturday May 23, 2015, 2:05 pm

Wilde Thange (10)
Saturday May 23, 2015, 2:21 pm
I was just reading the Tonken Gulf incident also had been prepared months in advance and in that case the incident was in Aug of 1964 election and by election time Goldwater was being portrayed as too radical but Johnson's tough on communism credentials were established. He at least wasn't for nuking the North.
The Cuban Missile crisis on the eve of midterm 1962 elections for something likely under surveillance so months sense troops were being amassed in Florida.

pam w (139)
Saturday May 23, 2015, 2:33 pm
It's a complicated issue. How to protect rights in a society which is facing significant threats from terrorists?

I can see both sides of this and am very, VERY glad I'm not the decision maker!

Joanne Dixon (37)
Saturday May 23, 2015, 2:49 pm
Yeah, old Mitch McTurtle showed real leadership there. Keeping them up till one in the morning and then not even coming close.

I would not put it past him, though (and more to the point, neither would Daily Kos, CREDO, Free Press, and some other good groups) to try again right before the expiration, after having done some wheeling and dealing. So expect a petition (probably one huge joint one rather than several separate ones) to correctly voting Senators to stand strong.

Roger G (148)
Saturday May 23, 2015, 2:50 pm
noted, thanks

Yvonne White (229)
Saturday May 23, 2015, 2:55 pm
I'm sorry, but I don't see ANY Real Threats from Terrorists WITHOUT Help planning & implementing by American alphabet agencies! Individual threats, by radicalized people (which we manufacture Daily in all 3rd world countries & any American city) is more of a possibility AND actuality - from Unabomber to the Boston bomber to Columbine, etc., etc., etc. I firmly believe 9/11 was an Inside Job and can never happen again Without an American Agency's help & governmental permission. And my main arguement is that RepubliCON paramilitary types are too darn Stupid to do anything major without help..after the home-grown Oklahoma City idiots got caught, I can see WHY the government would want extra power to spy on citizens, but those same Idiot-types are OBVIOUS and Extra powers are NOT needed - the government either Already Knows who they are OR should know, just from old-school type "investigation"..they Don't NEED to spy on EVERYBODY!!! They are too Lazy to do their jobs as it is! Drinking & drugging it up in the Secret service, raping & pillaging with the CIA, and DEA doing just whatever they freakin' feel like to whomever they feel like doing it is the MAIN reason NONE of the "Agencies" should have a blank check to spy on ANY citizens! The Government NEEDS to clean out it's own rats-nests before they should ever start pointing fingers at ANY citizen ever again!

Pat B (356)
Saturday May 23, 2015, 3:26 pm
Good news!!! Thanks, Tom.

David C (75)
Saturday May 23, 2015, 5:14 pm

Sheryl G (359)
Saturday May 23, 2015, 6:49 pm
Sunsetting the Patriot Act is the biggest win for ending mass surveillance programs, and one that conventional DC wisdom said was impossible.

A wonderful let's hope they don't try to revive the dead.

P A (117)
Saturday May 23, 2015, 10:06 pm
Just what I was thinking Joanne. If they repeal something awful then they have something else waiting in the wings. However, we must continue, and always remember 'Don't let the b******s grind you down!'

Lynn Squance (235)
Saturday May 23, 2015, 11:12 pm
"With Congress now in recess until after the Memorial Day holiday, the NSA will dismantle its program so that no new data queries can be made after June 1…"

This is good . . . too bad it isn't permanent!

Roro l (0)
Sunday May 24, 2015, 2:34 am

Gene Jacobson (288)
Sunday May 24, 2015, 3:46 am
"The Senate could not muster the 60 votes needed to move forward with the NSA reform bill, the USA Freedom Act, passed by the U.S. House of Representatives last week."

And here is one more example of one of my pet peeves. It is typically republican. Name something the opposite of what it actually is, pretend it is what you named it, and in the meanwhile screw the people and do hideous things behind closed doors. The same way right wing "think" tanks work. Nauseating. And, damn good riddance.

Lona G (66)
Sunday May 24, 2015, 5:20 am
Sometimes the confusion caused by Republicans calling the NSA reform bill "the USA Freedom Act"while it is anything but that works in our favor. Next step: dismantle not only this program but the NSA, but that's a dream, I'm sure. I'm afraid there's an even more horrible infringement on privacy waiting to be put in place as soon as some "terrorist slips through" and runs amok. All will be blamed on Obama and Democrats and Republicans get what they want after all.

Past Member (0)
Sunday May 24, 2015, 8:21 am
Noted, thanks

Joanne Dixon (37)
Sunday May 24, 2015, 9:54 am
Yup. Just as I predicted, the first link to a followup petition came in this morning (Sunday):

Terrie W (798)
Sunday May 24, 2015, 10:26 am
And how many of us, deep down in our really dark places, believe for one minute that 'they' will stop snooping, stop data collecting, stop targeting innocent citizens, stop ALL thier ANTI-Condstitutional, ANTI-Bill of Rights BULLS**T? HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM? I know better. They have been, and always will be, playing spy v spy/spy just because we can/big brother is watching you CIA/FBI/NSA/SS/etc(insert alphabet here). Now, it's just in your face, but, they have always been lurking. They will continue to do so because 1) it is in their best interest to do so 2)gov't contractors-need I say more and 3) so the corporations can better control the masses who are not fooled by them.

They will give us this little 'win' the better to implement something even more incidious in the shadows that we won't know about or be allowed to 'notice'. But they will do something.

Jim Phillips (3247)
Sunday May 24, 2015, 11:20 am
CREDO Petition:

Tell Congress:

“The Senate’s vote against reauthorizing the PATRIOT Act represents major progress in the fight to restore constitutional rights suspended in the wake of the Sept. 11 attacks. Now is the time to allow the PATRIOT Act to expire. Vote no on any bill that would reauthorize the PATRIOT Act, whether it’s a so-called ‘clean’ reauthorization or a fake-reform bill like the USA FREEDOM Act.”


Winn A (179)
Sunday May 24, 2015, 11:23 am
Thanks TC

TomCat S (125)
Sunday May 24, 2015, 11:39 am
Thanks all. stars.

Bought Bitch Mitch is already trying to bring it back. See today's Open Thread.

Wilde Thange (10)
Sunday May 24, 2015, 12:30 pm
Note: in my comment I mention the Tonken Gulf resolution for authorizing war powers was ready ahead of the incident as with the Patriot Act.
Nothing will stop the Homeland Security system with cars in every city having their logo and fusion centers and their increasing data bases and license plate reader tracking etc.

They discovered the syphilis testing in" The Tuskegee syphilis experiment was an infamous clinical study conducted between 1932 and 1972 by the U.S. Public Health Service to study the natural progression of untreated syphilis in rural African-American men in Alabama. They were told that they were receiving free health care from the U.S. government.[1"
from wikipedia and these kind of things began in the New Deal when jobs program for all kinds of professional were begun, who know how many in secret having been going on ever since. Note the similarities of Pearl Harbor and 9/11 mentioned sometimes.
Anyway the test once discovered just moved to Guatemala and Hillary was apologizing for that recently.

We don't have 17 secret agencies and contract companies growing for no reason. Likely they do more than just spying.

Wilde Thange (10)
Sunday May 24, 2015, 12:35 pm
also wikipedia... the The syphilis experiments in Guatemala were United States-led human experiments conducted in Guatemala from 1946 to 1948, during the administration of President Truman and President Juan José Arévalo with the cooperation of some Guatemalan health ministries and officials.[1] Doctors infected soldiers, prostitutes, prisoners and mental patients with syphilis and other sexually transmitted diseases, without the informed consent of the subjects, and treated most subjects with antibiotics. This resulted in at least 83 deaths.[2] In October 2010, the U.S. formally apologized to Guatemala for conducting these experiments.

The experiments were led by United States Public Health Service physician John Charles Cutler, who later took part in the late stages of the Tuskegee syphilis experiment.[3] In archived documents, Dr. Thomas Parran, Jr., the U.S. Surgeon General at the time of the experiments, acknowledged that the Guatemalan work could not be done domestically, and details were hidden from Guatemalan officials.[4][5] Some letters between Cutler and John Mahoney, then Medical Director of the USPHS can be seen here.[6]

The experiments even involved young orphan girls sourced from a Catholic charity as victims. The nature of some experiments would have involved labial penetration of a child.[7] Details on one death from the experiments read
Cutler and his colleagues treated some people brutally. In one case, detailed by the bioethics commission, the US doctors infected a woman named Berta, a patient at the psychiatric hospital, with syphilis, but did not treat her for three months. Her health worsened, and within another three months Cutler reported that she seemed close to death. He re-infected Berta with syphilis, and inserted pus from someone with gonorrhoea into her eyes, urethra and rectum. Over several days, pus developed in Berta's eyes, she started bleeding from her urethra and then she died.

People who do such things are perfectly able to invade innocent countries for lies and strategic interests.

Marian Beth B (58)
Sunday May 24, 2015, 12:39 pm
I'm not believing that we've heard the last of this....

Katie & Bill D (107)
Sunday May 24, 2015, 5:15 pm
Tahnk You TomCat

Katie & Bill D (107)
Sunday May 24, 2015, 5:19 pm
Thank You TomCat
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