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Unquestioning Support for Cops

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TomCat S (125)
Tuesday July 28, 2015, 7:40 am
Every time cops commit another horrific act, the “thin blue line crowd” crawls out of the woodwork claiming that we need to have unquestioning support for cops: all cops, all the time, no matter the circumstances. I thoroughly disagree, as does the following author.

JL A (281)
Tuesday July 28, 2015, 7:58 am
One missing from the list of shame:
Another black life lost to police bullets, unarmed, ignored, and forgotten

Sheryl G (359)
Tuesday July 28, 2015, 8:06 am
We need police that do not beat the crap out of people and murder the citizens. I mean there is something very wrong and very troubling when American police killed more people in March, a single month, than the UK did in the ENTIRE 20th Century!

But Barbara above me thinks Fascist Govt., that promote war and guns is the way to go. I'd rather go back to the Protect and Serve model myself.

Question Authority! Good photo comment for the piece.

I just so happened to place a news item on concerning police brutality. If people would like to take a look its at the link below.
As Police Shot This Native American Man His Dying Words Were Whats Wrong With You Guys

Robert B (55)
Tuesday July 28, 2015, 8:24 am
These Gestapo tactics have to stop. We certainly need MORE proper training of our police. These bad apples ruin it for all of the GOOD competent Officers.

Sue H (7)
Tuesday July 28, 2015, 9:54 am
Are the police still living in an era where impunity reigned? Any state allowing Rogue cops to murder should be put on notice! Why aren't they subject to psych evaluations every six months??

Joanne D (37)
Tuesday July 28, 2015, 10:02 am
Even apart from the fact that many of the people cited in this article were children, or unconscious, or asleep, or otherwise completely docile - in fact I gather ALL were completely docile and any police testimony to the contrary is flat out lies - NOWHERE in the laws of ANY STATE OR TERRITORY does it state that a bad-ass attitude is punishable by summary execution without trial.

Bad ass attitudes don't contribute to police brutality (although the opposite may be true - widespread police brutality may well contribute to ordinary citizens developing bad-ass attitudes through justified rage). Not long ago we saw a group of visiting Swedish police officers subdue an altercation in a New York City subway with nary a gun and nary an impolite word, although with a lot of consideration for the welfare of those immobilized. If they can do it (and not even in their own first language), why can't we do it? Is true American exceptionalism rooted in steroid abuse?

It wasn't, I think. on the story of Paul Castaway but another involving Denver, that one of our resident trolls posted the asinine statement "Police have no obligation to protect and serve." I looked up the Denver Police Department's motto and discovered, as I expected that it was "Protect and Serve, " but also, as I didn't expect, it was changed in 2013. It was changed to "Everyone Matters." Gee, how's that working out for them?

I did see the story of Charly Keunang on Daily Kos. And I don't know what to say.

Arielle S (313)
Tuesday July 28, 2015, 10:03 am
I have to admit my attitude towards police has changed.... if you can end up dead because you didn't put on a turn signal or because you were a young boy playing with a toy gun or because you were trying to support your family by selling cigarettes, there is no "protect" for us any more.

Past Member (0)
Tuesday July 28, 2015, 10:16 am
There is something very wrong with the new breed of police. I don't know if it's the age, why they went into that field ? Something has to change though.

Lona G (66)
Tuesday July 28, 2015, 10:21 am
The people who support cops unquestioningly fall in the same category for me as people who support GOP/Israel/religion/… unquestioningly: not to bright and fond of following other sheeple. The keyword here is "unquestioningly", it means you've found your brain's OFF button.

Chris C (152)
Tuesday July 28, 2015, 11:50 am
I lost respect for police a long time ago!

David C (75)
Tuesday July 28, 2015, 12:04 pm
no one, except maybe you TomCat, deserves unquestioning "blind" support..........and whatever happened to "question authority"???? I guess it only means question Democratic Party authority when you disagree if you are a TeaPartier.

Sheryl G (359)
Tuesday July 28, 2015, 12:26 pm
Bye, bye Barbara. Didn't want anyone to think it was JL A.

JL A (281)
Tuesday July 28, 2015, 12:38 pm
Thanks Dandelion--I think I'm glad I missed whatever she wrote that apparently violated code of conduct or something.

Yvonne White (229)
Tuesday July 28, 2015, 3:15 pm
I missed it too..but I'm okay with that! ;)
I remember seeing the 68 Democratic Convention, the riots of the 60's, Kent State in 1970..we (teenagers at the time) called cops pigs..but not to their faces (we weren't suicidal) I have always been wary of cops. But we Shouldn't Have to be - they are public employees & we pay their salaries!

Animae C (508)
Tuesday July 28, 2015, 3:36 pm
police state
noun: police state; plural noun: police states
a totalitarian state controlled by a political police force that secretly supervises the citizens' activities.

Gene Jacobson (287)
Tuesday July 28, 2015, 5:50 pm
An old friend of mine used to say, with humor but more than a little truth as well, you have to have a little nazi in you to be a cop. What he meant was somewhere deep in you is the desire to order other people around, sure protect and serve, but just a tiny bit of bully, a tiny bit of need to exercise authority over other people. I think that's true and while most police officers are fine human beings the truth is the difference between police and law breakers isn't as far as one might think, they have more in common with each other than they do the rest of us. Add in some bigotry and paranoia and you have what we see happening around the world and here at home, today. I don't think AniMae is far off the mark, I wish I did, but what we've seen happen in the last year just can't be tolerated in a free society. I used to watch Cops, but had to give it up, they are more violent than necessary even when on camera and that ever present lecturing about how to behave when told to do something and the way they do it, just rubs me the wrong way. And I don't get arrested, it must be horrible to be something other than Caucasian and under the scrutiny of people who are armed, nervous and dangerous. I get that police officers face fear every day, I empathize, but they chose their occupation and their commitment to serve all of the public justly has to be their imperative. Else we do live in a police state. And I don't want to. Nor do those losing their lives for no reason other than the color of their skin. There is lots to fix in law enforcement and it really doesn't seem anyone is trying.

Edith B (146)
Tuesday July 28, 2015, 9:23 pm
Not all cops are bad, but those who are need to be held to punishment for their acts, not defended because they are cops.

P A (117)
Tuesday July 28, 2015, 11:51 pm
I don't think that it is just up to the public to raise an outcry to stop these bad (what an inadequate word!) cops – but it is also up to the good cops in the police departments. Can't they see that the bad apples in the barrel are destroying the good work that they do? Their reluctance to take on board any criticism or to admit incontravertible evidence seems evidence of an very worrying 'us against them' mentality – and policing should be performed with the consent of the populace, or it turns into a tyranny very quickly.

Sorry TC, couldn't click through for the article, I knew how depressed and despairing it would make me – Heaven help the victims and their families and friends.

Robert O (12)
Wednesday July 29, 2015, 1:02 am
While it is true that there still a few good honest cops out there, too many of them are running rogue and in the process becoming criminals themselves which begs the question, "Who will protect us from them?"
Thanks Tom.

Roro l (0)
Wednesday July 29, 2015, 1:33 am

Ben O (131)
Wednesday July 29, 2015, 2:46 am
"To serve and protect" -That's what it SHOULD be about, thanks very much!

Animae C (508)
Wednesday July 29, 2015, 5:17 am
The Origin of the LAPD Motto

In February 1955, the Los Angeles Police Department, through the pages of the internally produced BEAT magazine, conducted a contest for a motto for the police academy. The conditions of the contest stated that: "The motto should be one that in a few words would express some or all the ideals to which the Los Angeles police service is dedicated. It is possible that the winning motto might someday be adopted as the official motto of the Department."

The winning entry was the motto, "To Protect and to Serve" submitted by Officer Joseph S. Dorobek.

"To Protect and to Serve" became the official motto of the Police Academy, and it was kept constantly before the officers in training as the aim and purpose of their profession. With the passing of time, the motto received wider exposure and acceptance throughout the department.

On November 4, 1963, the Los Angeles City Council passed the necessary ordinance and the credo has now been placed alongside the City Seal on the Department’s patrol cars.

Winn A (179)
Wednesday July 29, 2015, 6:28 am
Agree with Gene J. :-(

pam w (139)
Wednesday July 29, 2015, 6:43 am
This is SO compicated! Sometimes, I think people should only be allowed to serve as cops for a few years and then be transferred to another job. They see so much terrible behavior that it MUS leave scars on them. Anyone who's ever known or loved a cop knows how they change.

Past Member (0)
Wednesday July 29, 2015, 7:57 am
Not from this one!! Unquestioning NON-support for Cops, I'd say! Thank you!

TomCat S (125)
Wednesday July 29, 2015, 12:16 pm
Thanks all. Kudos to Sheryl, because a couple personal attacks have disappeared.

I would say that the majority of cops are there just to do their jobs to the best of their ability. However, because the good ones clos ranks behind the bad ones to protect them form accountability, the good ones are also culpable for the crimes of the bad ones.

JL A (281)
Wednesday July 29, 2015, 1:06 pm
11 People Dead in Police Custody This Month

and Daily Kos reports that a police officer was indicted for murder in Cincinatti

Vivian B (169)
Wednesday July 29, 2015, 2:21 pm
For people to say they have unquestioning support for police is to say that all lions have the same for all other lions! And they dont! There is good and bad in all species! Especially MAN!

Roger G (148)
Wednesday July 29, 2015, 2:23 pm
it seems many people do not realize that police are only there to protect the top 1% of the population's properties and to beat on and kill the poorest of the poors...
Naivety is of epidemic proportions in the population !
noted, thanks

MJ M (88)
Wednesday July 29, 2015, 3:00 pm
This problem will never end as long as the drug war rages on.

How can we call some of them "good" when they protect the bad ones? Doesn't their inaction make the whole f***ing barrel rotten?

Birgit W (160)
Wednesday July 29, 2015, 3:13 pm
Ben O. says it all. Thanks for sharing.

Ken O (55)
Wednesday July 29, 2015, 3:23 pm
@ Edith B., no not all cops are bad but so many are and the "good" cops won't do anything about it they might as well all be bad.

Mitchell D (82)
Wednesday July 29, 2015, 4:34 pm
Not all coops are bad, but some people who become cops do it for the sake their need to control. Take a (new?) look at the movie "A Clockwork Orange!"
I had an uncle who was a cop, and a cousin-in-law, both good guys, who were cops; have a friend at my gym who was a cop, another good guy.
But, I'm afraid, the police culture in too many instances supports negative perceptions, and behavior, within the police forces.

Suzanne O (33)
Wednesday July 29, 2015, 6:52 pm
The blue wall. The one the union protects so dearly.

I am not anti-police. I do, however, have issues with those who feel they are above the law, expecting special treatment.

Mitchell, how do you feel about the wrong-way Staten Island police officer? Not charged yet for that crash and the deaths that came from it. Never brought to justice for all infractions in the past which may have prevented that terrible crash. That kind of perception, which is actually the reality.

TomCat S (125)
Thursday July 30, 2015, 11:37 am
Thanks all!
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