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Michael Moore's Five Point Plan

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TomCat S (124)
Friday November 11, 2016, 2:02 pm
The first time I saw Bowling for Columbine I was hooked. Since then I have seen almost everything Michael Moore has produced, except his piece on Rump Dump, and that was only because of my vision problems. I’ve never been disappointed. His five points are the end of a much larger article, and I urge you to click through to read it in its entirety.

Pat B (354)
Friday November 11, 2016, 2:06 pm
Excellent, excellent article.

Time to dust off (my tears), rise up, and get through this.

Thanks, Michael, and Thanks, Tom for this great post.

Joanne D (37)
Friday November 11, 2016, 2:18 pm
Amen to Michael - Amen to you -

On #2 I am split. If turning them off lowers their ratings enough to get them fired, it would be good. I don't know whether that would work or not. Certainly not patronizing their advertisers will DEFINITELY help. Is there a way to find out what they are saying that doesn't add to their ratings?

Kathleen M (208)
Friday November 11, 2016, 2:38 pm
Noted. Thx TomCat.

Walter F (128)
Friday November 11, 2016, 3:11 pm
Thanks Tom for the excellent article .

Ted W (127)
Friday November 11, 2016, 3:14 pm
Noted, forwarded and shared ultra-liberally across four networks! Thanks for sharing, TomCat!-Love Michael Moore's films as well-havent seen the newest yet!

pam w (139)
Friday November 11, 2016, 3:16 pm
Thanks, Tom. It's going to take awhile to digest this hatred/racist wave of politics.

Past Member (0)
Friday November 11, 2016, 3:22 pm
he has always been a favorite of mine too

Trish K (29)
Friday November 11, 2016, 4:13 pm
Make sure your state passes the National Popular Vote . Eleven of us states have passed and are registered. Then make sure you stay up to watch the little donnie Impeachment series. Maybe some girl, will bring him down. He's hiding so much he looks mentally beside himself and I don't drink. Work hard to turn the congress Blue. It will be difficult but we can do it.

Nyack Clancy (287)
Friday November 11, 2016, 4:21 pm
Thanks TC

Animae C (508)
Friday November 11, 2016, 5:36 pm
Hillary 60,467,601

frump 60,072,551

i have been posting this everywhere!
i really dislike your undemocratic system.

Katie & Bill D (107)
Friday November 11, 2016, 7:14 pm
Michael Moore Has always been a brave soldier speaking up and doing things we most would never do.
If we would all listen and do what he says!
Good article here TomCat. Thank you

Glennis W (393)
Friday November 11, 2016, 7:41 pm
Thank you Tom and Michael for this post, really great article. Thank you for caring and sharing TomCat

Winn A (179)
Friday November 11, 2016, 7:50 pm
Thanks TC. Michael Moore is absolutely right. Great article and yes, Hillary did win the popular vote. Ladies, put on your big girl panties because it's going to be a bumpy ride for the next 4 years. Do what you can, where you can and let the Democrats know what you think.

Edith B (146)
Friday November 11, 2016, 8:43 pm
#! seems the most important to me right now because the Democratic party is no longer the party of the people as it claims.  Neither party exists for the people anymore.  They exist to perpetuate themselves.
#2 I fully agree!
#3  That would probably take out most of the party, since so many of them are DINO's.
#4  I was neither stunned nor shocked, but tremendously disappointed.
#5  I am all ready doing this.

Dawnie W (250)
Friday November 11, 2016, 11:53 pm

Good article...Noted❤️

😺Thank you so kindly for sharing TomCat😉

💕💛ღ❤️Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ💕♥L💜ve, Hugs and Peace go with you all♥💕Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ❤️ღ💛💕

Katie & Bill D (107)
Saturday November 12, 2016, 12:45 am
It took Trump 3 days to UP HIS SECURITY SO HE IS SCARED!! but it took him that long!
They are right in front of the Trump Tower where he lives in Manhattan. THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE WALKING. There was a couple going to go to the theater but they joined them they were 50 yrs old so it's everyone, Trump says they are professional protester's I don't think so No One could pay this many people. Now there are 25 or more cities with protester's. Thank you TomCat

Ed Site Issues V (198)
Saturday November 12, 2016, 1:48 am
Noted, Thanks

Heidi Gail N (60)
Saturday November 12, 2016, 2:50 am
The fight has just begun.

Lynn Squance (235)
Saturday November 12, 2016, 5:03 am
I agree with Moore. During the American Revolution, American colonists overthrew King George III of Britain over taxation without representation among other things. I think there needs to be another revolution, not necessarily a bloody one, but nonetheless a revolution of thoughts and actions that restore 'We the people' starting now!


Freya H (344)
Saturday November 12, 2016, 5:20 am
Another thing we can all do: Wear a safety pin wherever we go.

Lynn Squance (235)
Saturday November 12, 2016, 5:21 am
The British didn't listen 240 years ago, but Donald Trump is no George Washington!

Arielle S (313)
Saturday November 12, 2016, 5:56 am
And there is this open letter to from the whole world:

Lona G (66)
Saturday November 12, 2016, 6:14 am
Amen to all five points.

Seems there are a lot of fires being stoked up to get America trough those very cold four years.

Barb SiteIssues V (202)
Saturday November 12, 2016, 8:44 am
Signed & Noted, Thanks

Terrie W (798)
Saturday November 12, 2016, 9:47 am
Revolution is coming....may be peaceful, may be bloody .....but it IS coming.

SuSanne P (193)
Saturday November 12, 2016, 10:10 am
Thank you TC. I agree with all the posted comments and can't say enough praise for Michael Moore. I'm all in for a Peaceful Revolution as I see is in place as we have to continue Bernie's momentum. Arielle checking out your link now. TY

SuSanne P (193)
Saturday November 12, 2016, 10:15 am
Signed and shared both TC and Arielle's submissions on FB.

Gene J (289)
Saturday November 12, 2016, 10:20 am
"HILLARY CLINTON WON THE POPULAR VOTE!" The MAJORITY of our fellow Americans preferred Hillary Clinton over Donald Trump."

Okay. I've been on Michael's mailing list since he began it. I've bought, and watched, everything he's done. One of his pieces, Sicko, I gave away as Christmas gifts. But here's the thing. He has never been in the majority. We DO have the electoral college and to change that would require a constitutional amendment that will never happen. The reason it is there is so that a few large, highly populated states, could not dominate the country. Which is what would happen with a popular vote system. The republican party is NEVER going to agree to change that - their entire base is in states that would be meaningless in a popular vote system - I mean LOOK at the colored map and see where the red is. So, while Michael is technically right, and I personally would like to see a popular vote system, I do not believe this country will ever get a constitutional amendment through as none of those red states want to give up their "power" and to ratify a constitutional amend requires 2/3's of Congress to propose an amendment and ratification by 2/3's of the states. That is NOT going to happen.

Yes, Hillary won the popular vote but that means nothing - it was liked 51% - 49% IF that far apart. The country is so divided, so locked into its positions, and those positions are so far apart, I don't see a path to unity short of a World War or a monstrous attack on us - nothing short of that is going to bring people with such wildly divergent views together. Nothing. I've been reading results and analysis and I see nothing that bespeaks a path to unity. There is no agreement on the major issues, absolutely none. In fact, the parties couldn't be more polarized than they are now. Trump may end up being the most moderate Republican in Washington. For all the talk of "change" and what just happened sweeping out all the detritus from DC, NOTHING of the sort happened. The people sent back the same damn politicians who have been obstructing the political process since 2010 and added a few more. They didn't clean House or Senate, they sent back the same professional politicians who are more Todd Akins like than Reagan like. And those are the men who don't want women to even have contraception let alone abortion rights. The glass ceiling just had another layer of glass laid on it.

I love Michael, I wish the country did but they don't. They never have. No one has listened to him, no one will. His own hometown of Flint is the worst mess in Michigan. He hasn't been able to effect change their. Sicko was SO compelling and SO right and now we are about to see the closest thing to single payer we will see in our lifetimes, repealed yet again. Only this time the Senate will go along and it will not be vetoed.

Work for social justice - this has been the clarion call of the boomer generation. So continue, I will, I have spent my life doing exactly that. But I harbor no illusions about what is going to happen next. The only "good" news is that the white share of the vote continued its decline - which began in 1992 and has gone down by 1-2% each election since, now down to 76% of the total. In four years millennials will be half the work force. It will be they who drive change and they aren't in accord either. They do not all march to the same drummer. They too are divided. In the 20's Texas and Arizona will become more than half people of color, the rest of the country by 2043. But what that means no one knows. People of color certainly didn't vote as a block this year, they never have. The only surety is that whites will no longer be the dominant force in our elections. What that means in terms of how we are governed is by no means decided.

It will be interesting to observe, but I am done predicting. I've no clue what happens next, and what I think will, I don't like, but then I've got no clue. Obviously. Continuing to talk liberal principles which I believe in with all my heart and soul? Yes. But will that matter in any way to any one but me? I don't think so. Or this election couldn't have turned out the way it did. Fully half the country does not share my concerns. I don't know what, if anything, ever changes that. And neither does any Democratic politician or pundit. I hear they are thinking of making Keith Ellison, Minnesota's Muslim Congressman (City of Minneapolis is his district) DNCC chair. As much as I admire him, that will only solidify the rampant racist, anti Islamist folks who are now running things. Keith cannot change the party enough to make it politically viable in even one red state. I don't know that anyone can. Elizabeth Warren will be 74 in 2020 and two years into her second term in the Senate - it is tough to unseat a sitting President, I don't know that she wants to try. Bernie at 79? No. The time to turn things over to the young voters is NOW. This is their century. They will make the rules and cast the votes and fill the offices. But what they will do? I have no idea. Neither does any pundit nor any pollster nor any politician above the age of 40. And, neither, I am sorry to say, does Michael Moore. We'll just have to work, watch and help on those issues we believe in and let the young folks drive the car. It's time our generation gave up the keys.

TomCat S (124)
Saturday November 12, 2016, 10:31 am
Thanks alll. Hugs and stars, Gene, google the National Popular vote site or see the ling in today's Open Thread to be uploaded shortly.

Anne F (17)
Saturday November 12, 2016, 12:52 pm
It troubles me that so many people declined to vote at all in the presidential race.

Peggy B (43)
Saturday November 12, 2016, 12:56 pm

Colleen L (3)
Saturday November 12, 2016, 1:19 pm
Good article. I'm feeling like Pam does... still sick from the whole mess. Thanks TomCat

Sheryl G (359)
Saturday November 12, 2016, 3:04 pm
#4 What you mean to say is that you were in a bubble and weren’t paying attention to your fellow Americans and their despair. YEARS of being neglected by both parties, the anger and the need for revenge against the system only grew. (WHICH IS ALSO WHAT BERNIE UNDERSTOOD - Sign we got Trump instead)

Along came a TV star they liked whose plan was to destroy both parties and tell them all "You’re fired!" Trump’s victory is no surprise. He was never a joke. Treating him as one only strengthened him. He is both a creature and a creation of the media and the media will never own that.

I Agree, the Corporate media was too busy making money off of Trump and I recall one of those CEO's saying as much, something along the lines of he might not be good for the Country but is good for our profits.


Sheryl G (359)
Saturday November 12, 2016, 3:04 pm
**typo above Sigh not sign

fly bird (26)
Saturday November 12, 2016, 3:11 pm

Thank you, TomCat, for sharing

Freya H (344)
Saturday November 12, 2016, 3:47 pm
You are absolutely right, Terrie W.! I frequently end my comments with "A storm is coming." Especially now that Trump the Chump is going to be the next POTUS, no question that a storm is coming. Can anybody recall such raucous, impassioned and well-attended protests following any other Presidential election?

Janet B (0)
Saturday November 12, 2016, 7:29 pm

Lisa M (15)
Sunday November 13, 2016, 8:20 am
I love Michael Moore. I read this a couple days ago and also watched his multiple interviews.

TOM T (247)
Sunday November 13, 2016, 9:34 am
Interesting, both the article and the comments. I do believe

Jeff Creech (64)
Sunday November 13, 2016, 2:42 pm

Jeff Creech (64)
Sunday November 13, 2016, 2:46 pm
Just wanted to comment about why I do not comment on political posts. My opinions must be so far away from everyone else's that someone always hacks into my account and blocks my access to care2 every time I voice even my smallest opinion.

TomCat S (124)
Sunday November 13, 2016, 3:22 pm
Thanks all,

Jeff, based on your profile, I don;t see why there should be a problem, unless you're commenting in threads started by Trump supporters or attacking people instead of disagreeing with their ideas. I'd encourage you to comment, although I have no authority here.

Vivian B (169)
Sunday November 13, 2016, 7:11 pm
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