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Fuhrer Tanks China Relations

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TomCat S (128)
Saturday December 3, 2016, 12:22 pm
I, for one, have been concerned that Drumpfenfarten, Fuhrer of the Republican Rectum-Rage Reich, has been refusing foreign intelligence briefings, claiming to get information from other sources (Kremlin, perhaps?). He just tanked our China relations so badly, that without major damage control, we may find ourselves back in a cold war with China.

Joanne Dixon (37)
Saturday December 3, 2016, 12:24 pm
"Fuhrer Drumpfenfarten is certainly devious enough to return us to a cold war footing with China intentionally. However, the Fuhrer is also stupid enough to have had no idea what he was doing." Well, that is certainly it in a nutshell. Which would be better? How do you even use the word "better" here? Which would be WORSE?

JL A (281)
Saturday December 3, 2016, 12:40 pm
I read he is trying to build a hotel complex in Taipei which was discussed...he is willing to trash all foreign policy if he makes a buck. Thanks Tc

Joanne Dixon (37)
Saturday December 3, 2016, 1:02 pm
Incidentally -

Trish K (29)
Saturday December 3, 2016, 1:31 pm
His defense to this was -gee whiz maw- She called me first . He's is dumb especially for a five year old.
But look how great he made America look. We hire the mentally impaired .

Mandi T (367)
Saturday December 3, 2016, 1:42 pm
Good Grief ! Tks TC

Pat B (356)
Saturday December 3, 2016, 1:52 pm
Uh, oh!!!! Doesn't surprise me in the least....he lacks any skills (domestic/foreign relations), whatsoever to be President.

Judy C (91)
Saturday December 3, 2016, 2:15 pm
We might as well get used to this type of faux pas. Trump is a bull in a China shop with tunnel vision.Taiwan is a huge business center, just the kind of place he loves. The BBC article Quotes a Tweet by Donald Trump: ""Interesting how the US sells Taiwan billions of dollars of military equipment but I should not accept a congratulatory call." Trump certainly lacks the subtlety required to hide the US's massive hypocrisy.

Judy C (91)
Saturday December 3, 2016, 2:18 pm
I should have said the BBC article in Joanne's comment was source for the quote.

divergent revolution (309)
Saturday December 3, 2016, 2:43 pm
greed and stupidity bomb

Darren Woolsey (218)
Saturday December 3, 2016, 3:18 pm
ANY world leader, prospective or otherwise, would improve their ethical and moral chances with the public, if they sought engagement with every country going, and not division.

However, China has a FEW issues that need addressing: Human Rights, Animal Rights, Yulin Dog Festival.

Their ability to produce en masse, materials, then swamp the world markets, thus destabilizing the economies of other countries. They did this with the production of cheap steel, which killed the British Steel industry.

Also, as Judy alludes to, an arrogant business head, a'la Sir. Alan Sugar, and other members of the crass Dragon's Den in Britain, ought to demonstrate that business leaders need to take basic education in healthy COMMUNICATION, rather than playing stupid, superior-than-thou Corporate twit.

David C (78)
Saturday December 3, 2016, 3:20 pm
just another hypocritical paradox from the Fuhrer Trump

Animae C (508)
Saturday December 3, 2016, 4:01 pm
And so it begins....

Lynn Squance (235)
Saturday December 3, 2016, 4:36 pm
I read about this last Thursday I think and my jaw hit the floor, (I still have to carry it around in a sling.)  The arrogant and mendacious fool kept going on about how he would "fix" everything, during the campaign.  He kept going on about his skills as a negotiator and how poorly the current administration, and I suspect previous administrations including Republican administrations, negotiated agreements.  Well in international politics, the "Art of the Deal" means nothing.  He said he would make America great again, but all I see is an asshole who is such a narcissist that he will only destroy America, and I fear take the rest of the world with it.

Some of his supporters said "He's a businessman and knows how to get things done."  Bullshit!  He knows how to bully people, and that is not how foreign relations work. Drumpfenfarten is demonstrating that the past means nothing, absolutely nothing.  I remember hearing him go on about China (currency manipulations) during the campaign and how he would bring China to heel.  Ha!

Not only is Drumpfenfarten mendacious, arrogant, and narcissistic, but he is unintelligent in the worst ways.  The best thing that Republicans can do now, since they created this mess in the first place (it's only going to get worse!), is to impeach the asshole on 21 January 2017.

Vivian B (169)
Saturday December 3, 2016, 6:30 pm
Ugh! He can't walk and chew gum at the same time! Leave it to The Don to eff things up!

Katie & Bill D (107)
Saturday December 3, 2016, 6:47 pm
Rachel tells it all, we have an IGNORANT PRESIDENT ELECT!!! WHAT ELSE IS DOWN THE ROAD??
He has messed up the CARRIER CO. DEAL IN INDIANA The Union Was never even Notified. the remaining jobs here will only be 723! So he is not right on Saving Jobs either! I wonder what Obama thinks now with Tawain and China too?? I truly thinkTRUMPE can't do anything right! NOT GOING TO MEETING'S HE NEEDS TO!
Thank you TomCat

Dawnie W (250)
Saturday December 3, 2016, 6:49 pm
trump opening his big mouth and putting his big hoof into it!❤️

❤️Thank you kindly TomCat❤️

💕💛ღ❤️Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ💕♥L💜ve, Hugs and Peace go with you all♥💕Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ❤️ღ💛💕

Glennis W (393)
Saturday December 3, 2016, 7:27 pm
Getting worse everyday He and his hanger ons are all Imbeciles, wouldn't have a brain with them all put together, No brains just cavities to keep the ears apart. Dickheads. Thank you for caring and sharing TomCat

Edith B (146)
Saturday December 3, 2016, 8:28 pm
Be careful with that chili, you don't want a wild fire in your town.
NY Times:  This will only be the first time he blunders, he has no idea of handling diplomatic situations, a five year old in a candy store would have more judgment.  I wish we didn't have to suffer along with those who voted for him.

Betty Kowall (304)
Sunday December 4, 2016, 5:41 am
Trump is an idiot and so are the people who voted for him!

Lona G (66)
Sunday December 4, 2016, 7:16 am
Drumpf has really no idea what he's doing. No idea at all. He wasn't just chatting with a friendly little old Chinese woman who just happened to be president of a little old island filled with Chinese dissidents, he was being very friendly with Tsai Ing-wen, a 59 year old lady who was inaugurated only at the end of may of this year and who was elected on her hard-line policies on China. Her predecessor was getting too cozy with China and wasn't completely adverse to some form of coalition with the mainland. Tsai however stands for the opposite, i.e. complete independence, and her inaugural speech wasn't well-received at all in Beijin. Drumpf now having a friendly chat with her and throwing all diplomatic advancement made over the past decades over board isn't only ill-advised – uhmmm…non-advised – but incredibly stupis. He may have been aware of what he was doing, which I personally doubt, but I'm sure he has no idea of how he has made America a pawn in the very difficult relationship Tsai's election had thrown China and Taiwan back into.

Terrie Williams (798)
Sunday December 4, 2016, 7:17 am
Well, that didn't take long, did it.......not even in office yet and already intentionally (yeah, it's intentional...nothing Der Fuhrer Dumba$$ does is unintentional) getting us in a bind with other world powers. Get ready, peeps, it's gonna be a long, hard, slow road to total HELL with this Fuhrer Clusterf**k at the helm.

Mitchell D (82)
Sunday December 4, 2016, 9:58 am
“Knowlege is a priceless gift, but the illusion of knowledge can be more dangerous than ignorance.” Pico Iyer
I am almost glad that he does not take the briefings, IMAGINE HOW BADLY HE COULD SCREW UP TWISTING THE TOP SECRET INFO TO HIS OWN NEEDS??!!
Does he think he'll charm Tsai into bed? Like he apparently wanted to do when he was hounding Princess Di?
See my new posting on his psychopathology, just submitted minutes ago.

Arielle S (313)
Sunday December 4, 2016, 10:12 am
And he's not even President yet....

Ed Site Issues V (198)
Sunday December 4, 2016, 10:15 am
Noted, Thanks

Janis K (129)
Sunday December 4, 2016, 10:30 am
Thanks for sharing.

Louise D (44)
Sunday December 4, 2016, 11:03 am
the suspicion that Aliens have been beaming Bozo rays at America again ... well they did it with the UK but is crying out to have their own Robert Mugabe or Kim Jong Un? It is obvious he does not do diplomacy in fact it is very low down on his list of personal characteristics along with basic human decency. Admittedly Tiawan is a lot better than China for human rights, but then not so long ago it was a fascist state. Still, Trump is more interested in sending his second son over to Taiwan to do business so I suspect this has nothing to do with diplomacy and more demonstrating how corrupt Trump will be as President.

Lara W. (0)
Sunday December 4, 2016, 11:19 am
Although I agree that this was a diplomatic misstep, I don't like the incendiary tone of the article. Seems a bit echo-chamber-y to me. Trump got elected because people only read news that fits their view, and much of it is the same name-calling that's in this. I hope that journalistic integrity outsurvives this presidency.

Winn A (179)
Sunday December 4, 2016, 12:19 pm
Noted - Thanks

TomCat S (128)
Sunday December 4, 2016, 12:49 pm
Thanks, hugs and stars to almost all, Personal attack flagged.

Darren, I've heard of the Dragon's Den TV series, but never seen it. I agree with what I think you mean, but what is it about the series that makes it applicable?

Debra G (0)
Sunday December 4, 2016, 1:23 pm
Andy Borowitz's take: Trump's Taiwan call demonstrates just how badly he needs the foreign policy expertise of Sarah Palin. (Ouch) I suppose his talking with Taiwan's leader is his punishment to China for creating the climate change hoax.

divergent revolution (309)
Sunday December 4, 2016, 1:37 pm
resilience is about PERCEPTION
@lynn well put!

Barb SiteIssues V (202)
Sunday December 4, 2016, 1:41 pm
Noted, Thank you

Janet B (0)
Sunday December 4, 2016, 2:49 pm

Kay M (46)
Sunday December 4, 2016, 3:03 pm
Good afternoon and thank you for this article -which i read and noted- WOW it is getting real bad real fast and he is not even president yet- JUST TRY TO IMAGINE WHAT HORRIFIC DAMAGE HE CAN AND WILL DO ONCE HE IS CROWNED IN JANUARY- he has no intentions of doing diplomacy -or governing - he will leave all of that to pence and the merry band of misfit billionaires in his cabinet - the right hand has no idea what the left hand is doing and he has no interest in learning or reading up on it- for example during thanksgiving -he walked thru his dining room at merry go round leg o - and asked the customers who they want for secr. of state- GOOD GOD ALMIGHTY what a way to govern - flip a coin- ask a stranger- I PRAY EVERY DAY THAT GOD WILL BLESS US AND PROTECT US FROM HIM so we may survive the next 4 years under his rule- sincerely KAY M.

Colleen L (3)
Sunday December 4, 2016, 3:49 pm
Agree with Kay stated "he isn't even President yet" and he's already stirring up problems. Scary. Thanks TomCat

Nyack Clancy (287)
Sunday December 4, 2016, 8:06 pm
We can hope he will be impeached due to conflict of interest- in MANY business areas- from the oil pipeline to his International Hotel Enterprise.

Even so? I am not convinced Pence will be much better.

Sheila D (28)
Sunday December 4, 2016, 9:21 pm
It's a conundrum as to whether he knew what he was doing or not. I'm going with he didn't have a clue; one of the bigger problems of having entirely zero political experience and seemingly having no interest in learning about what's going on in the world. He's worse than a bull in a China shop...

Hartson Doak (39)
Sunday December 4, 2016, 9:21 pm
My guess is that the Trump presidency will be even more corrupt than Reagan's was. He'll break most of the China in the shop and wonder why everyone is so unhappy.

Julie W (33)
Monday December 5, 2016, 12:35 am
From the 'South China Morning Post': "'Good relations with Beijing require governments to recognise the principle that there is only one China. A nation with diplomatic ties cannot have official contacts with Taiwan". This comment referred to Singapore training its military on the island, and was made before the phone call from Tsai. The phone call has infuriated the Chinese.

I said early on in Trump's campaign that his personality and total lack of political experience would make him a poor statesman, as he has no concept of tact or diplomacy. I was howled down as he was supposedly a' good businessman', and that was seen as more important.

Ros G, do you really think someone can call the president elect and he will just pick up the phone? Try it sometime! Read TomCat's explanation as to how it really works.

Darren Woolsey (218)
Monday December 5, 2016, 1:10 am
Tom, "Dragon's Den" in England, deals with the prospective ability of wannabe inventors and people with business ideas, trying to market and advertise their stuff, in front of a pack of established business people and millionaires. The other TV programme, hosted and driven by Sir Alan Sugar, is The Apprentice, which works on a similar methodology and ethos.

Basic general theme being, that anyone wanting to run for any office, or have a power seat, has to convince enough people of the rightness of his cause, in order to have people vote for him.

Cue: Republicans, Democrats, Independents, Green Party, etc.

I would argue that in a healthy balanced world, you would of necessity have to have an amalgam of Socialism and Capitalism, with appropriate checks and balances.

Most of the masses, have access to "mainstream media" and so, whatever is broadcast in mainstream media BECOMES "The News" and what is going on, the format being, major news, minor news, sport and weather. That design is deliberate, so that BAD news is quite quickly buffered by sport and weather, intended to make you feel good.

Mainstream press/media relies on funds/commercials, that pay for the service. So if you have plenty of cash, and want to continue your business, you channel some resources into those press/media outlets that are going to advertise your stuff.

Over the last 30 years, Corporate Capitalism has established a stranglehold over the "mainstream" press/media to predicate the idea that earning money is a good thing, and that if that means exploiting a countries resources, so be it.

The environment has clearly suffered as a result of this school of thought (Example: Oil and ALL the issues that come attached with it.)

So, what Corporate Capitalism has achieved in the last 30 years is the belief that the pursuit of profit over everything else, is a good thing. No, it's not. Without checks and balances, and a serious nod to Mother Earth, humankind will exploit and destroy the very planet it lives on. Not good.

Margie FOURIE (148)
Monday December 5, 2016, 1:20 am
Thank you

TomCat S (128)
Monday December 5, 2016, 12:11 pm
Thanks all,

Darren, I understand and agree. Thank you,

TomCat S (128)
Wednesday December 7, 2016, 1:53 pm

Darren Woolsey (218)
Saturday December 10, 2016, 12:35 am
China has a very questionable Human Right AND Animal Right AND Environments record.

Plus, with their production of cheap steel, they have almost single handedly broken the British Steel Industry.
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