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TomCat S (128)
Tuesday June 12, 2018, 1:37 pm
Pursuant to my volunteer work, if I were to violate my privacy ethics, I could tell you some stories about criminal injustice that would make your hair stand on end. Prosecutors will often not hesitate to act criminally, because their political future depends on an ass in a cell for every crime. That happens even here in Oregon, and we’re one of the best. In Republican controlled states, it’s far worse, such as the Republican hell hole that spawned Kris Kobitch. Kudos to JL A for the referral.

David C (78)
Tuesday June 12, 2018, 1:40 pm

Joanne Dixon (37)
Tuesday June 12, 2018, 1:43 pm
I'm going to share the comments I made at Mother Jones, including a reply and my counter-reply (and there are some other good ones there too.)

Having a spouse incarcerated in a prison owned by CoreCivic, I am keenly aware that, while CoreCivic is CoreCivic (and before that it was CCA), it has separate contracts with every state in which it has a presence and with the Federal Government. I assume the same is true of the Geo Group. Even more to the point, the oversight it receives is very different depending on what state its contract is with. Some states, mine is one, really watch them like hawks, even putting a full time liaison in the prison itself. Other states - you can read Shane Bauer's article linked above. As far as the Federal contracts and oversight is concerned, I don't know this, but it is possible that oversight varies with the Federal District the prison is located in - I don't know that, but I also don't know it's not true.

Any abuse you hear about CoreCivic or Geo is certainly happening at the prison being reported on, and possibly at other prisons, but it's unlikely that it is happening at every CoreCivic or Geo Group prison respectively. Of course that doesn't make it right, and it's no excuse for CoreCivic either. Nor does it let states or the Feds off the hook - they are not doing their jobs of monitoring the contract when this happens.

I have also learned that it is not just Trump voters, there are also liberals who appear to feel that a convicted prisoner has no rights. When enough people feel that way, oversight will simply not exist.

REPLY: It is not likely the oversight of privately run federal prisons varies depending on location because that is not how federal policy works. There would just be one oversight policy. It's different for privately run state prisons because the contract is with the individual state govt.

COUNTER-REPLY: That sounds right - certainly in terms of contractual obligation. I just don't know to what degree DOJ would delegate oversight to the districts, having no experience with them at that level. There is a tendency among human beings that if you give two people authority to enforce the same policy in different geographical areas, you end up with two different enforcement styles which make it appear that there are two policies.

Since I honestly don't believe that there should be only one Justice system (or Injustice system , or Just-us system), because states do have an investment here, I can see that the problems are complicated almost beyond belief.  And all I can really do is go on saying that.  People desperately want things to be simple.


JL A (281)
Tuesday June 12, 2018, 1:58 pm
Thanks TC. Wonderful explanations of how the world of corrections actually works Joanne. In CA, because many prisons began with independent reporting to the Governor's Office before any dept. was created, that culture of independence from oversight agency shows some funky persistence at times no matter what the state-wide policy officially is. Historically agencies go back and forth on centralizing functions/authority vs. distributing them regionally with at least some autonomy/added delegated authority. Haven't read anything this administration on organizational culture at Bureau of Prisons (BOP) to know whether the head is acting like Sessions at DOJ (micromanaging at times) or not, or even has changed anything with the new administration. Only clue is jumping to move prisoners to take asylum seekers and other refugees and immigrants being detained.

Pat B (356)
Tuesday June 12, 2018, 1:58 pm
This is horrible!
I am for the prosecutors who do these underhanded act(s)go to jail, and yes, the defendant should be released. I am certainly for that! Every prisoner, convicted or otherwise being detained has rights. Basic and human rights.


Nita L (127)
Tuesday June 12, 2018, 2:15 pm
You stated it perfectly Pat.
Thank you TomCat.

Beryl Ludwig (78)
Tuesday June 12, 2018, 2:22 pm
They're all liars and cheats.

Thank you TC
be well🐱

Freya H (345)
Tuesday June 12, 2018, 2:34 pm
We scream and howl about injustice and tyranny in other countries, we condemn repressive regimes abroad - but in doing so we are the pot calling the kettle black, and in some cases the pot is even blacker.

pam w (139)
Tuesday June 12, 2018, 4:07 pm
Every day...EVERY SINGLE DAY....I realize how naive I've been, thinking that MOST people and MOST government institutions are honest. Now...I'm terribly afraid I'm ''catching'' negativity and distrust from the treasonous groper and his team of theives!

Glennis W (393)
Tuesday June 12, 2018, 5:48 pm
This is horrible and deplorable Lots of cheat Thank you for caring and sharing TomCat

Mitchell D (82)
Tuesday June 12, 2018, 6:24 pm
We are just so exceptional, we believe, that we do not see our very own, home-grown hypocrisy!

Colleen L (3)
Tuesday June 12, 2018, 8:54 pm
Agree with so many of the great comments above.
Thanks TomCat.

Lona Goudswaard (66)
Wednesday June 13, 2018, 5:33 am
My first reaction after finding my gob-smacked voice again was: “Only in America”, but as Freya has already pointed out, that’s far from true. I’m sure quite a few repressive regimes use and abuse this kind of criminal “justice”. And that is point in fact, isn’t it: they are repressive regimes.

Winn Adams (179)
Wednesday June 13, 2018, 6:28 am

Richard A (2)
Wednesday June 13, 2018, 10:42 am
Even though I am not a lawyer, I feel these after-conviction restrictions and added punishments are not delineated in any penal code.
Some of these actions are simply another means of controlling the vote.

Dot A (180)
Wednesday June 13, 2018, 10:50 am
God help us. Those without the leverage of money are being eaten alive, and the system is getting fatter while the people starve, from the cruelty and unjust. When will humanity ever learn. The love of money is the root of all our sins and sufferings. It's an old story, told in the age of technology, exponentially ~

divergent revolution (309)
Wednesday June 13, 2018, 1:08 pm
uranus changes planets every seven years,,,,,,,,it moved into taurus on May 15th
the last time it was in taurus was 84 years ago in the 1930's
hitler's rise to power
history doesn't repeat itself ,,BUT IT RHYMES
stay vigilant...........the america first policy is the icing on a nightmare cake

TomCat S (128)
Wednesday June 13, 2018, 1:15 pm
Thanks, Stars, Hugs, and Amen to all! 😻

Dot A (180)
Wednesday June 13, 2018, 2:14 pm
Hi Divergent, - truth for a warning, said poetically, - that while nothing is repeated in exactness, it can be repeated in similarity or likeness. Until we finally learn our lesson, I suppose,.... Looks like the lessons of hate, obsession for power, and narcissistic self love, are raising that ugly head again. What are we going to do about it? I appears that there are too many who just don't believe that evil exists, so they ignore or deny it until it has its way. This time, is it the USA?

Katie & Bill D (107)
Wednesday June 13, 2018, 7:42 pm
Thank you TomCat

TomCat S (128)
Thursday June 14, 2018, 12:45 pm
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