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Open Thread - 3/11/2018

US Politics & Gov't  (tags: Open Thread, video )

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Pat B (356)
Monday March 11, 2019, 1:25 pm
Vox: Personally, I think it's good. I'll have to watch this a couple more times, though. Great video, btw...

AN: omg. Excellent piece, w/pass this along. Foreboding and frustrating that he's even in the WH. RESIST !!!

NYT: I agree that we need to be careful, and keep hate out of it !

Cartoon: Very, very sad.

Hope that WWWendy's eval went well. We're in spring mode here, with nice weather. Hope that you get some rest. Take good care, and Thanks, Tom.

This just in: "dt - "Thank you, Tim Apple." Tim Cook - "Thank you, Donald Collusion." ~Michael C. ~

Joanne Dixon (37)
Monday March 11, 2019, 1:39 pm
6:31 Looks like a sweet little place. Wonder if they serve dawg.

This is a story about conflict between border wall builders and native Americans. I was invited to share it widely, and so are you.

Vox - Yes. Framing has been described as a way to win debates before they even start. We need to take over the framing. One way (not the only way) we need to do that is by making it household knowledge how much the well-being of every one of us depends on policies Republicans dismiss as "Socialism."

AlterNet - They have always been racist. They are still racists. They will continue to be racist. And, under Obama (through no fault of his), it rose to the level of an obsession. And, as C. S. Lewis once said, "A man with an obsession is a man with very little sales resistance."

NYT - You have put your finger on why we do not have the hard conversations that we so obviously need to have. Some don't want to be hurtful. Some do want to be hateful. Everyone is afraid of being accused of hate, regardless whether such an accusation would be accurate or not. "Careful" is almost throwing roses at it. "Tiptoe on eggshells" might be a better description.

Cartoon - Cue Barbara Jordan here (and please note she did NOT mean the one in the cartoon.)


PANDA B (79)
Monday March 11, 2019, 1:39 pm
thanks, lets get the Green New Deal detailed and going........

PANDA B (79)
Monday March 11, 2019, 1:42 pm
Right wingers say things nearly every minute far worse than what Ms. Omar has said.......

PANDA B (79)
Monday March 11, 2019, 1:43 pm
I think that Congresswoman Omar has actually asked a great question...why does Israel and AIPAC have such a stronghold on US policy????? I say this as a pro-Israel, pro-Palestine, pro-Life, pro-Peace, pro-Future....saying this an agnostic jewish presbyterian who lives in Minnesota and supported and supports Ms. Omar........

Freya H (345)
Monday March 11, 2019, 1:47 pm
Opposition to the Green New Deal is based on two things: a) ignorance of what it really states, and b) the fact that Democrats have proposed it. All the fighting has nothing to do with its actual content, and everything to do with half-assed paranoid claims that we'll have to give up our cars and subsist on bunny food. Bullfeathers!!! It's about weaning us off limited, polluting fossil fuels and rebuilding our crumbling infrastructure. Who stands the most to lose? Big Oil and Big Coal - so of course they're getting their footlickers to belch propaganda intended to make the Green New Deal look bad.

Nita L (127)
Monday March 11, 2019, 3:36 pm
VOX: The Green New Deal is not a bill it's a blueprint for ways to stop climate change from which bills could be made.

Alternet:  Great article.  Most of us thinking people new this was the case for why people voted for the tangerine monster.

NYT:  I agree TomCat.  We need to have serious discussions to solve problems.  I think Rep. Omar had a valid point but she worded it very poorly.  She might want to get help on her wording before she speaks out next time.

Thank you TomCat.  I hope WWWendy's evaluation went well.

Colleen L (3)
Monday March 11, 2019, 4:46 pm
Voc: I bookmarked the page so I can read more into it and get a better understanding of it.

AN: We do know that he was illegally voted into office. Agree with Joanne that there is a lot of racism. That's all he speaks of. TC, you hit it on the nose when you mentioned they love tRump all because they share his evil hatred.
NYT: Very touchy situations where we do need to be careful of what and how we address this. I agree with you TC and others  that hatred does need to be kept out of it.
Take care. Thanks TomCat

Glennis W (393)
Monday March 11, 2019, 5:51 pm
Take care and rest well when able Thank you for caring and sharing TomCat

Mitchell D (82)
Monday March 11, 2019, 6:02 pm
Vox: I like what I have heard about the Green New Deal!  If the Dems can't show that it is needed, despite whatever the Gopiggies claim, then we have REALLY got a problem.
Alternet: Yes, it has always been about bigotry, and racism!  I think greed was operating, as well.
NYT: The Dems can be their own worst enemy.  How sad is it that we need to have legislation passed trying to do away with bigotry and other such forms of hate in this country.
'Toon: And, if we ever let the Gopiggies have a new Constitutional Convention expect them to splice much of that constitution into ours.

Mitchell D (82)
Monday March 11, 2019, 6:05 pm
Freya, those half-assed claims are just the kinds of things that the imbecile sheep tend to eat up!

Katie & Bill D (107)
Monday March 11, 2019, 9:52 pm
I agree with Nancy Pelosi, Trump should Not be Impeached, it may divide the party, we have other things to take care of, he will get his soon. it's coming.
as many of his friends that has been going to jail he is NOT Innocent!
This is what he hangs around with.
The Woman that owned the Massage Parlor where Robert Kraft was Found. She pushed Mar-A-Lago
and is from China Was a Big Donator!
Thank you for the article
Thank you TomCat

Lona G (66)
Monday March 11, 2019, 10:19 pm
2:31 At 38 C, 100 F, I was in desperate need of a cool picture 😁

Vox: Excellent, spot on. Republicans are allowed to weaponise every issue by turning it from one that goes far beyond politics into survival of all of this planet into one of black-or-white political partisanship. Any one with any sense, not just Democrats, should bring the conversation back to content of the New Green Deal as soon as Republicans make it about the elections again. Refuse to play along with Republican nihilism, explain what the Green New Deal entails, show people what it means for our survival beyond the 2020 elections. RESIST in every debate and interview!

Alternet: So ‘the white working class voted for Drumpf because they were financially stressed’ was just an excuse, a cover-up of the real reason: they are angry and share his racist and sexist prejudices. That’s sad, as Drumpf would say, because it says a lot of the mentality of a large portion of the population.
America, we have a problem.

NYT: The tightrope between freedom of speech and hate speech is too difficult to walk for many who lean right.

Lynn Squance (235)
Tuesday March 12, 2019, 4:15 am
Puzzle — 4:46 I heard the restaurant does not allow Puddy Tats, but it does not matter because speedy Lona beat you to it!

Vox — I like the looks of the Green New Deal and the potential gains for the US and the world. Of course Republicans don’t like it because Democrats are pushing it. I doubt Republicans have even looked at the content, Trump certainly has not (he needs pictures!). With the recent abysmal job numbers (20K versus 180K expectation), GND could actually change that and help Trump look good. (Did I really say that? ARRGGGHHHH!!!!!) Coal is not coming back and many of the miners know that, yet Trump is still pushing that. It is time to take the politics out of the equation and work on solutions.

AlterNet — Hatred. The bane of human existence. There is no place for it in today’s world unless of course you’re a Republican going backwards in time.

NY Times — “Serious discussion in search of solutions may seem hurtful to some, but they are a necessary step toward progress. On the other hand, discussions intended only to hurt members of a group are hate speech. Hurtful need not be hateful, but hateful is wrong.” — AMEN!!! Louie Goh-merde, pissant that he is, was almost apoplectic at one point discussing this matter. It is interesting that some Republicans, like Trump, have shown themselves to be anti Semitic as well as flat out racist and bigoted. It’s about what suits their purpose at the time. Republicans called out Ilhan Omar but they do much worse daily with impunity.

Cartoon — And Republicans are still following that constitution!

Resist, Persist, Remove!!!

Lock HIM up!!!

Silence is Consent!!!

TomCat S (128)
Tuesday March 12, 2019, 10:15 am
Thanks and Hugs. 😻

Debra G (0)
Tuesday March 12, 2019, 1:02 pm
Part of the reason the US is so pro -Israel goes back to the Cold War, when the USSR was backing Egypt and other Arab states. The US was trying to keep the Suez Canal open. They did briefly hesitate to aid Israel in the Yom Kippur War. And they condemned the PLO and Hezbollah for hijacking commercial planes and the Achille Lauro, throwing Israeli kindergarteners off of buildings in Ma’alot, bombing public busses, bombing the US Marine base in Lebanon, etc. Since then, Israel has a peace agreement with Egypt and backchannels with Jordan. But, yeah, we’re good buddies with Russia now. This does not excuse the insane policies of Netanyahu, backed by the insane right wingers, many of whom emigrated from the Soviet Union and cant seem to embrace anything but authoritarian rule.

oh, Parliament just voted down May’s Brexit plan.

Angelflowers Dawkins (1)
Tuesday March 12, 2019, 6:06 pm

Danuta W (1251)
Wednesday March 13, 2019, 5:24 am

TomCat S (128)
Wednesday March 13, 2019, 10:47 am
Well said, Debra.
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