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Eleonora
- 816 days ago - haaretz.com
After issuing threats against the UN, the United States, Senegal and Ukraine, all thatâEUR(TM)s left for IsraelâEUR(TM)s prime minister to do is impose sanctions on Antarctica.



   

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Eleonora Oldani (37)
Thursday December 29, 2016, 2:38 am
Opinion

Netanyahu Is Out of Control

After issuing threats against the UN, the United States, Senegal and Ukraine, all that’s left for Israel’s prime minister to do is impose sanctions on Antarctica

Zvi Bar'el
Dec 28, 2016 10:15 PM

If Peter Sellers were still alive, we’d have to invite him to serve as Israel’s prime minister. For a farce like the one concocted by Benjamin Netanyahu deserves, at the very least, an actor as funny and talented as the one who brought us “The Mouse that Roared” in 1959.

This hilarious film about the Duchy of Grand Fenwick, which declares war on the United States, was born of author Leonard Wibberley’s imagination. He undoubtedly never dreamed it would serve as inspiration for a real-life story line written by the prime minister of the Jewish state, who has decided to march at the head of the battalion just like Commander Tom Thumb in Arik Einstein’s song from “In the Land of the Dwarfs,” armed with a sharp pin in his hand.

The imitation even surpasses the original, because Netanyahu’s war spans four continents, from America through Africa and Australia to Europe. All that’s needed to make the lunacy complete is to impose sanctions on Antarctica.

From now on, every Senegalese mother who benefits from Israeli drip irrigation will know that you don’t mess with the Zionists. The enlightened states of Europe will know that from now on, they’ll have to beg for visits by the ministers of tourism and regional cooperation, the ministers of transportation and science, and especially the strategic affairs minister. The era of indulgence is over. What daring, what pride. From now on, it’s us against the world.

The giddiness didn’t begin with the sanctions Israel plans to impose on countries that sponsored or supported UN Security Council Resolution 2334. Its roots lie in what Netanyahu told the UN General Assembly in September.

“The UN began as a moral force and has become a moral farce,” Netanyahu exhorted the sparse audience in the hall. “The United Nations denounces Israel; the United States supports Israel. And a central pillar of that defense has been America’s consistent support for Israel at the UN.”

Three months have passed, and suddenly, this farcical institution has become Israel’s biggest enemy. The “Oom Shmoom,” as former Prime Minister David Ben-Gurion derisively dubbed the UN, the body whose decisions Israel traditionally crumpled into paper balls, has been magnified by Netanyahu to such an extent that it has ballooned into the greatest strategic threat facing Israel, while the United States is now a bunch of gangsters led by a black Muslim.

Anyone who needs a reminder is invited to read Paragraph 9 of Security Council Resolution 2334, the one that caused the storm. That paragraph details the previous resolutions and agreements that Israel has turned into confetti: Resolution 242, the Quartet’s Road Map, the Arab peace initiative, the French initiative, the Fourth Geneva Convention and the laws of occupation.

So what’s eating him? If the UN is an irrelevant institution whose decisions can be mocked, one that isn’t capable of resolving conflicts and can do nothing but cluck its tongue in the face of mass slaughter in Syria or South Sudan, one with no more power than the Arab League, what is Netanyahu so livid about?

But it seems that even Netanyahu, during those interludes when rage isn’t blinding him, understands that the UN, the institution that gave Israel its international legitimacy, is more than the sum of its parts. It is neither Senegal nor Ukraine. When it imposes sanctions, leaders are put on trial and countries are liable to collapse. Or alternatively, as in the case of Iran, to sign a nuclear deal or, heaven forbid, a peace treaty.

Therefore, a country that declares war on members of the Security Council is either a superpower or a joke. And Israel, despite the fancy dress, isn’t a superpower. Its prime minister has gone out of control, and it has become a country that shoots wildly in all directions, thereby destroying any chance of mobilizing an international coalition to deal with its real threats. Israel is telling itself a story of heroism against the UN while acting as if this were a second Masada.

In Israel, the Titanic’s orchestra continues to play. But now, it’s accompanying that famous and accurate song from “In the Land of the Dwarfs,” which describes how after Commander Tom Thumb, “the cavalry come / riding on fleas / They fill the air with / whistles and the sound of songs / The drummer pounds with force / on half a nutshell / And sings: How good it is / to go out to war together! / La la la la.”
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Thursday December 29, 2016, 2:39 am
This is the first comment by “Ezra” which I copy here as I believe it sums it up in a nutshell:

“The more details that emerge from last week’s behind the scenes activities, the more Netanyahu’s rage makes sense!

Netanyahu isn't raging because of the UN Resolution, he's raging because he was played like fiddle and made to look a right idiot for the entire world to see. Even now he is still allowing himself to be baited and falling hook, line and sinker for Obama's rope-a-dope in the dying seconds of the last round! He is proving that he is more than willing to take everyone and everything down with him in a ball of fire because HIS pride was hurt and not because of any imminent danger to Israel and its people. Firstly he was played for a fool by Putin. Putin pressured Bibi into abstaining from a vote on Syria, and when Israel complied Russia pulled the rug out from him the very next day! Ouch! Secondly, just when he was patting himself on his own back for bullying Egypt into retracting their resolution on the Settlements and circumventing the sitting US president by running to Trump, New Zealand at the behest of the U.K. of all countries stuck out their foot and tripped him up on his victory lap! A unanimous 14-0 vote, many votes coming from nations that he thought he had bullied, bought into at least a few "no" votes. And finally the US abstention and undeniable rejection of Israel's Settlement policy. EVERYTHING Netanyahu prides himself on came right back at him and blew up in his face. His close ties with Russia, his ability to "sway America this way or that", his all powerful manipulation of highly influential EU nations, his so-called impressive personal insight and understanding of America and other major Western nations, his ability to play high stakes foreign politics and win, and his latest claims of some mysterious and sudden overwhelming support he himself has garnered from vast influential blocs at the UN. All of it proved completely hollow and failed him utterly and unanimously.”
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Thursday December 29, 2016, 2:43 am

There are a number of good articles on Haaretz - as always - relating to this issue; it sure is worth a look. Two of them I give the links here:

Kerry's Speech Was Superbly Zionist, pro-Israel, and Three Years Too Late

After UN Vote, Why Did Netanyahu Take His Anger Out on Senegal?
 

Darren Woolsey (218)
Thursday December 29, 2016, 2:55 am
Power-possessors like Netanyahu are never IN control. . . .

Shared to spread awareness.
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Thursday December 29, 2016, 3:43 am

You're absolutely right, Darren - the problem is that these power possessed folks are in control of all our fate; this is what's really scary.

Sure you've heard about the tweet threatening to nuke Pakistan if ... and Pakistan answering in kind. It goes without saying that Israel denied having tweeted anything of that ilk and everyone accepts this as a fake tweet.

Strangely though - if ISIS or anyone else of that camp tweets any garbage it's always taken as 100% truth and sure it stems from ISIS or the rest of the gang. Interesting, wouldn't you say - LOL?!

Although I couldn't get myself to listen to and read the transcript of Kerry's speech I forced myself this morning to do so. Reading between the lines it reveals a lot of the more inner making - and it also goes to confirm that the US would exactly and to the dot know what to do. But alas!! they're not allowed to.

And who pays the price? The Palestinians first, the Arabs second and the rest of the world third. Not to forget the money the US taxpayers are leaking since decades into this "sovereign and great democracy". I have never seen anything more hypocritical than such a statement. If Israel would truly be a sovereign country - with all those great achievements in all and every field - why can't they exist without those billions and billions of aid$$$?!?!

Why is it OK for Israel to cut its aid to Senegal because they voted in a way that doesn't please Israel - but it would never be OK to suggest that Israel gets cut off the vast funds from the US taxpayers as well as from the constant drip from Germany as long as Israel refuses to comply with the UN resolutions, the Geneva Convention and International law in general?

Why can Israel give aid to any country anyway ... if they themselves can only survive thanks to the constant financial support of other countries at the expense of the residents of those donor countries?!?! The "logic" thereof fails me...
 

Darren Woolsey (218)
Thursday December 29, 2016, 4:01 am
The amount of revenue being ping-ponged about as if there was a high stakes tennis match going on, reminds us we're living in very fractious times, with vanity and egoism running the roost within the power-possessors who want their little slice of the attention of political dominance.

Just picture to yourself a crazy looking clown, whenever you see ANY of these power-possessors strutting their stuff. . .
 

Miss You All Dearly (67)
Thursday December 29, 2016, 4:08 am
Noted...... by Frog without friends.......... comments just disappear
 

Arild Gone for now (174)
Thursday December 29, 2016, 4:50 am
As Kerry said in his speech:"Israel can either be a Jewish State or a Democracy,they can't be both".

The only word missing from his speech was the word Apartheid.

That Bibi is nutty and due for the funnyfarm is something we have known for a long time.
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Thursday December 29, 2016, 5:14 am

Thank you Arild - I guess Kerry didn't dare to go that far ...

Ros - don't you worry; I'd recognize you any time!! Sorry for your comment disappearing - it sure would have been as always a perfect one - LOL!
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Thursday December 29, 2016, 5:16 am

Darren - I love you clown comparison! I often laugh when I listen to our so-called politicians ... but it's rather a bitter laugh and at times a surprised one when I realize that there are still so many people out there believing them!!
 

Leo C (312)
Thursday December 29, 2016, 5:38 am
Thank you for sharing!
 

Arielle S (313)
Thursday December 29, 2016, 5:58 am
Nutty and Trump - two of a kind.
 

. (0)
Thursday December 29, 2016, 6:11 am
TYFS Eleonora. He has never been in control...
 

Giana Peranio - Paz (398)
Thursday December 29, 2016, 6:13 am
He's been out of control for a long time now and he will soon be investigated by the police with warning for very serious offenses. Hope the throw the sob in jail tovdther with all our other crooked leaders. Thanks Elionora.
 

Abo r (107)
Thursday December 29, 2016, 6:16 am
Noted thanks.
The real problem is it is sooo late and he is leaving , who will continue after they leave .
It is just a step forward for negotiation is it so!!!
IOF is occupying Palestinian land to negotiate on what , IOF to leave withdraw from the land occupied and Palestinians to return to their lands . stop.
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Thursday December 29, 2016, 9:38 am
Thanks for commenting!

Thanks Giana - your comment means a lot to me and I couldn't agree more. While they throw your crooked leaders in jail they could take the Arab ones with them ... while at it. I know wishful thinking. But on a serious note - I truly believe that Netanyahu's actions and words have a very big (and dare I say intentional) part in the rise anti-Judaism. How often do I hear in discussions "Ha! just look at Netanyahu! These are the Jews!". No, he does sure not represent the Jews and I hope that he doesn't represent the average Israeli either.

I know he gets elected time and again - but maybe just out of fear (which is instilled in people like everywhere else) and lack of a better option ... very much like Egypt had with Mursi or Shafiq and America with Trump or Clinton?

I know one thing for sure: we people are always the ones who pay the ultimate price and this has to change!!

You all stay safe!!
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Thursday December 29, 2016, 9:42 am

Abo - it's so nice to read you again. I hope you and yours are safe and in good health.

The problem is always the same with the US Presidents: at the end of their terms in office they dare to act according to their conscience and knowledge without being dictated to. We've seen this a number of times. The one time a President dared to do what's right - President George Bush towards the end of his 1st term - he had to pay a heavy price by not being re-elected for a second term. Punishment follows immediately. Even once out of office they're still in for "punishment" if you recall the smear campaign against former President Carter after he published his book on the conflict.

Wishing you all the very best, dear Abo - and let's keep up our hopes for a fair and just peace in the holy land!
 

fly bird (26)
Thursday December 29, 2016, 9:50 am
Hope this is not going to be just a tap on the wrist, or something like that.

We'll see. Thanks for posting, Eleonora, and for all the comments.
 

fly bird (26)
Thursday December 29, 2016, 10:07 am
Why Netanyahu remains Israel’s ‘inciter-in-chief’.

The National – 27 December 2016

An 18-year-old art student in Jerusalem discovered the hard way this month that Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu doesn’t care for irony. For a class assignment, she took the famous Barack Obama “Hope” poster and changed the face to Mr Netanyahu’s, next to a noose, with the word “Rope” replacing “Hope”. The student wanted to portray the prime minister as a hangman, who extinguishes hope of peace with incitement and political repression. The Israeli police and Mr Netanyahu, however, viewed the work not as a critique of incitement but as an example of it – with the noose intended for the prime minister. The student is now the subject of a well-publicised investigation. As with most art, context is everything. For Israelis on the left, as well as Israel’s minority of Palestinian citizens, Mr Netanyahu is considered the king of incitement. And in recent weeks he has lived up to his reputation. The background to the hangman image is Mr Netanyahu’s incitement against former prime minister Yitzhak Rabin in the mid-1990s, as the latter tried to drum up support for the Oslo Accords. Footage of the period shows Mr Netanyahu addressing crowds holding aloft placards of Rabin in Nazi uniform. Months later a right-wing activist shot Rabin dead in the centre of Tel Aviv. Mr Netanyahu’s current conduct has revived those memories, leading another former prime minister, Ehud Barak, to label him Israel’s “inciter-in-chief”. Heading the list of targets has been the fifth of Israel’s population who are Palestinian. Mr Netanyahu lost no time in blaming them for the forest fires that raged across Israel last month. He and other ministers referred to an “arson intifada” and “pyro-terrorism”, though experts attributed the blazes to months of drought, high winds and a lack of preparedness. Weeks later, no one has been charged with politically motivated arson. Nonetheless, Mr Netanyahu has not retracted his incendiary finger-pointing. In the parliament, the prime minister has led a boycott of the Joint List, a coalition of Palestinian parties, after they refused to attend the funeral of former president Shimon Peres. Faced with a court ruling to dismantle a tiny settlement outpost in the West Bank, Mr Netanyahu has announced a campaign of demolitions in Israel of homes belonging to Palestinians. He has accused the minority of rampant illegal building, glossing over the fact their communities have been denied master plans authorising construction. And David Bitan, chairman of Mr Netanyahu’s Likud party, declared last month his hope that Palestinian citizens “won’t come to the polls at all” at the next election. He was expanding on the prime minister’s notorious election-eve warning last year that the minority was “coming out in droves” to vote. Notably, Mr Netanyahu has not rebuked Mr Bitan. There is little doubt that such statements are influencing public opinion. A survey this month showed that just over half of Israeli Jews want Palestinian citizens stripped of the vote for questioning whether Israel can be both Jewish and democratic. A higher number, 59 per cent, object to Palestinian parties being included in the government. Aside from rebel art students and Palestinian minority leaders, only a handful of institutions continue to criticise the government, even if meekly. They are in Mr Netanyahu’s sights too. The government is threatening to overhaul the supreme court to rid it of “liberal” judges, and has conditioned arts funding on theatres touring the settlements. The Haaretz newspaper is, according to Mr Netanyahu’s office, peddling “Nazi propaganda”, while the broadcasting authority has been “captured by leftists”. On Sunday, the government approved a “Facebook bill” to block any online content it deems incitement. Presumably Mr Netanyahu will be immune. Another bill disqualifies Israeli human rights groups from eligibility for national service volunteers, after an earlier law suggested they are traitors for receiving overseas funding. The education ministry has introduced new rules to deter schools from inviting speakers from human rights organisations. And an “ethics code” is being devised to police the political discourse of higher education staff. All of this is designed to taint left-wing speech and activity as “treasonous”. The Israeli public has received the message loud and clear. The same poll this month found 71 per cent of Israeli Jews believe human rights groups harm Israel, while half consider those identifying with the left as a fifth column. Perhaps none of this should surprise when Mr Netanyahu rushed to incite against the United Nations last week after the Security Council upheld international law, passing a resolution against Israel’s settlements. He described the resolution as “contemptible” and “anti-Israel”, and claimed President Obama had stabbed Israel in the back. In similar vein on Monday, Mr Netanyahu’s defence minister accused France of anti-semitism and putting Israel on trial after it announced a summit next month to revive peace talks. Mr Netanyahu is drawing his noose wide, not only for recalcitrant Israelis but for all those who stand in the way of his Greater Israel.

http://www.jonathan-cook.net/2016-12-27/netanyahu-israels-inciter-in-chief
 

fly bird (26)
Thursday December 29, 2016, 10:20 am
Re: Netanyahu and his push for new settlements, this came in yesterday -

Committee Cancels Vote to Approve East Jerusalem Settlements.

Israel’s Jerusalem municipality has reportedly cancelled plans to vote on approving the construction of new Israeli settlement units, in occupied East Jerusalem, that were initially put forward to defy a new United Nations Security Council resolution, which has reaffirmed that Israeli settlements in the occupied Palestinian territory are illegal under international law.

According to a report from Reuters, the decision to cancel the vote came to avoid further strain on diplomatic relations with the US, who allowed the resolution to pass with an abstention, as US Secretary of State John Kerry is expected to give a speech addressing the resolution and his vision for the Israeli-Palestinian conflict in general, later Wednesday.

Meanwhile, according to Ma’an, US President-elect Donald Trump took to Twitter on Wednesday, to assure Israel to “stay strong” until Jan. 20, when he will be sworn into office for the US presidency, as Trump has supported Israel in condemning the resolution and the current Obama administration for not using its veto power at the UN Security Council, to block it from passing.

The US abstained from voting on the resolution, while all other UNSC members unanimously voting in favor of it.

In the days following its passage, reports emerged that Israel’s Local Planning and Building Committee in Jerusalem municipality was expected to approve thousands of housing units in occupied East Jerusalem for illegal settlements.

Israel Hayom reported that the committee would approve 2,600 housing units in the settlement of Gilo, 2,600 others in Givat HaMatos, and 400 units in the Ramat Shlomo settlement.

However, newer reports said that the coming plans would have been only for the approval of 492 building permits in Ramot and Ramat Shlomo.

Members of the Jerusalem committee told Reuters, Wednesday, that the cancellation of the vote came at Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s request, out of fear that the approval of the new settlements would have given Kerry “ammunition before the speech.”

However, the construction plans were just one aspect of the resolution’s fallout, with the Netanyahu government also calling for an end to all non-security related coordination with the Palestinian Authority, and drastically limiting diplomatic ties with UNSC members states.

Meanwhile, Israeli Education Minister Naftali Bennett again called for the total annexation of the illegal Israeli settlement of Maale Adumim, as well as the entirety of Area C in the West Bank — the more than 60 percent of the territory currently under full Israeli military and civil control.

Human rights groups and international leaders have strongly condemned Israel’s settlement construction in the occupied West Bank, claiming it is a strategic maneuver to prevent the establishment of a contiguous, independent Palestinian state by changing the facts on the ground, while members of Israel’s parliament have repeatedly come forward announcing their support for annexing Area C.

A recent report by human rights group B’Tselem argued that under the guise of a “temporary military occupation,” Israel has been “using the land as its own: robbing land, exploiting the area’s natural resources for its own benefit and establishing permanent settlements,” estimating that Israel had dispossessed Palestinians from some 200,000 hectares (494,211 acres) of lands in the occupied Palestinian territory, over the years.

B’Tselem highlighted the “key role” of Israeli settlers in further isolating Palestinians from their lands, either through the establishment of outposts officially unrecognized by the Israeli government, or through the regular use of violence or threats of violence against Palestinians.

The movement of Israeli settlers taking over Palestinian land, and further displacing the local Palestinian population has been a “stable” Israeli policy since the takeover of the West Bank and Jerusalem in 1967, B’Tselem reported, underscoring that all “Israeli legislative, legal, planning, funding, and defense bodies” have played an active role in the dispossession of Palestinians from their lands.

http://imemc.org/article/committee-cancels-vote-to-approve-east-jerusalem-settlements/
 

Barb SiteIssues V (202)
Thursday December 29, 2016, 10:34 am
Noted, Thank you
 

Freya H (345)
Thursday December 29, 2016, 11:57 am
Nut-n-Yahoo has been out of control for some time. He is Israel's worst enemy, and friend to anti-Jewish wack jobs. I hope that 2017 will see real sanctions being imposed on Israel - and the next time Israelis have an election they are successful in effecting a regime change. Neither Israel itself nor Israelis are the problem, the bugnut government is.

Hitler is dancing in Hell.
 

Past Member (0)
Thursday December 29, 2016, 12:00 pm
That horrid ugly monster of a man/dictator has been outta control 4 most of his unsavory reign. Really hope the next Isreali leader will be one with some sense-rational thinking+compassion. All traits this turd lacks. thanks Eleonara
 

Angelika R (143)
Thursday December 29, 2016, 2:15 pm
There isn't much left for me to add.. except perhaps Ros left a cute comment and avi :-) and Giana did make a lot of sense with her comment!
I think I's know a better place than Nutyahoo's hand for that sharp pin! Guess! If the pin isn't doing the job, I know other tools, too!
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Thursday December 29, 2016, 2:54 pm

Thanks Jess for the update on the settlement activities and approvals respectively. It has always been polit-Israel's policy to "retaliate" with more settlements each and every time things didn't go the way the Israeli leaders wanted them to go. Blackmail in its purest form and the entire world swallowed/s it. So why not continue?

I believe we all know what the ultimate goal is - to swallow all of Palestine. The only unsolved problem is (at least at the surface of it): what to do with the millions of Palestinians (Christians and Muslims)? To expel them is not that easy; genocide is not on either; so what to do as one State solution with full rights for everybody is definitely a no-go for the Israeli leadership.

Remain in the status quo and hope that eventually the Palestinians will go away? Sit out the problem? I don't know ...
 

Judy C (91)
Thursday December 29, 2016, 5:39 pm
Thanks for posting this link in the comments to the article I had posted, Eleanora. After reading all of this, I think your conclusion is similar to mine.

I guess we may as well enjoy the comedic dimensions of Netanyahu's antics, which would be more entertaining if he wasn't so treacherous. There's plenty of farcical entertainment value here with Trump, too. It'll be scary to see what those two can cook up now with they're BFFs. I don't know if the world is a big enough place for the both of them, though.

Obama is certainly making a last ditch attempt at asserting his ego, too, as he's on his way out. I'm sure Netanyahu is delighted to see him go.
 

Peggy B (43)
Thursday December 29, 2016, 6:01 pm
Shared.
 

Sheryl G (359)
Thursday December 29, 2016, 6:41 pm
Judy "It'll be scary to see what those two can cook up now with they're BFFs."

Indeed a couple of egomaniacs with a marriage made in hell.......Sigh.

Thanks ELeonora for posting on the thread the article as I would not be able to view it in full otherwise.

Oh Ros, I'm so sorry, you've been on this site so long, just goes to show no one is safe on here having their profile messed up on them. Eleonora posted in Feedback & Suggestion your trouble, I hope everything can be returned to you as it was.
 

Bryan S (105)
Thursday December 29, 2016, 7:12 pm
Oh yes, i can see how Netanyahu is so outraged after the UN called his illegal settlements that violate international law...illegal settlements that violate international law. Considering how mad he is at the US, he should really show them by rejecting the 38 billion promised by Obama.

If there was a bit of sanity, then the US would offer even a little more IF Israel went back to '67 borders (or close) and allowed Palestinians statehood, and cut of all aid if Israel didn't. But of course the US has its own power designs, which have thrown the whole are into chaos and violence.

Thanks for the article Eleonora.
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Friday December 30, 2016, 1:01 am

Thank you Judy - yes, I know that we're on the same wave length. One thing though ... you've lost me with your abbreviation (sorry, English is not my mother tongue and I don't live in the US either ...): what does "BFFs" stand for? Some stuff comes to my mind but that's sure NOT what you meant ;-).

Looking at the unfolding events since 9/11 it seems to me that the world has been prepared for the Netanyahu's and Trump's in a step-by-step and very methodical way. One can call it conspiracy thinking ... which it is ... but not from my side. There are much too many helpful "coincidences" and the pieces keep falling in their right places without further help.

Personally I don't think that the world is a big enough place - never has been - to accommodate beings like those two and several others ...

Let's see what will be after Jan 20th ...

As for Obama: he is another US Pres who will go down in history as "too little too late". Thinking of all the hope that was placed in him when he got elected - yes, also by me although I'd say that I don't have many political and human illusions anymore. In retrospect I have to admit that the signs where there from the onset and we just refused to see ... wishful thinking was heavily at work. All the harder was the landing in reality.
 

Evelyn B (63)
Friday December 30, 2016, 1:42 am
A very interesting article - and as you say, Eleonora - Haaretz has had a number of such critical ones in the last few days!

I particularly appreciated Giana's comment, because I know she's caught in the "frontline" of BN's megalomania & the extremist attitudes of his government.

There are a number of excellent comments here - little to add!

But one thing struck me forcibly that hasn't been mentioned in comments so far :
When sanctions & boycotts are called for in the context of mislabelled settlement products - this is discriminatory, inciting hate, should be illegal -
But when a head of state threatens countries and international institutions with sanctions for taking a position critical of Israel - this is "normal", not inciting discrimination ???? (Cutting relations with a country ... wouldn't that be a form of Boycott & Divestment?)
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Friday December 30, 2016, 1:46 am

Bryan - I love your idea of refusing the 38 Bio US$ - LOL. Bibi would rather be castrated or die before even entertaining such an idea! Goes in line with my comment of Thursday December 29, 2016, 3:43 am - and not many object to those $$-gifts! "You bite the hand that feeds you" is most often true - Q.E.D.

What fails me is the fact that most Americans find it absolutely OK that the BDS movement is meantime in most of the US-States a criminal offense ... but stealing other people's land and destroying their livelihood incl. killing them ... seems to be agreeable to the very same people who mobilize against BDS!?!?!
 

Evelyn B (63)
Friday December 30, 2016, 1:49 am
A couple more relevant Haaretz articles (with text accessible):

Britain Pulled the Strings and Netanyahu Warned New Zealand It Was Declaring War: New Details on Israel's Battle Against the UN Vote

Haaretz Editorial - Israel, Syria and the UN: Netanyahu's Diplomatic Hypocrisy
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Friday December 30, 2016, 2:00 am

Netanyahu and anti-Judaism / anti-Semitism: what worries me on a more personal level is the amount of rejection incl. hatred which this "Zionist Hitler" has achieved to create towards Jews in general. I see and hear this ever so often in the expats circles in which I move; a mix of all nationalities from South America to the US to Mongolia and over to Finland and Europe in general. Especially the Germans often gasp in disbelieve and horror at what e.g. Americans say with respect to Jews forgetting that Netanyahu is not "the Jews per se" - in Germany as well as in Switzerland (my country) one would land in jail for making such remarks in public.

I often feel that this is Netanyahu's intention: create hatred towards the Jews in order to get more of them to make at long last Aliya and come to the "promised land" - as we've seen in the aftermath of the Charlie Hebdo attack. The countless lives that get destroyed in the process don't seem to bother him ...

We need to find a way out of this quagmire the sooner the better for all involved - except naturally for the politicians on all sides and the lobbies who make their comfortable living with it.
 

Patricia E G (52)
Friday December 30, 2016, 2:03 am
Noted
Eleonora, I really enjoyed reading this article.
Well written and funny. On the Mel Brooks/
Neil Simon style of writing. Although I would
re-cast Peter Sellers with Larry David. Would
make a superb play or movie.
Realistically, no one should get involved in land
wars in the middle east. Yes, I agree Netanyahu
is out of control.
Thank you.
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Friday December 30, 2016, 2:09 am

Thanks Evelyn!! Your comment wasn't there when I wrote - but it shows "l’âme sœur" at work again - LOL!
 

heather g (46)
Friday December 30, 2016, 2:15 am
Timely posting, thanks Eleonora. I found this "hysterical' description worth sharing - same subject matter :

http://www.alternet.org/world/chomsky-israels-response-unsc-hysterical?akid=15056.24815.ZHfnYH&rd=1&src=newsletter1069625&t=5
 

Darren Woolsey (218)
Friday December 30, 2016, 2:25 am
Noam Chomsky always has his finger on the pulse of what's decent, compassion and common sense.
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Friday December 30, 2016, 2:27 am
Thanks Patricia - You may have a point with whom should play with role ;-).

I don't quite agree with your argument that one shouldn't get involved in the Middle East war. There are not several wars - in reality it's one. Why? you may ask.

Simple - the UK (1917) followed by the US (1947) have quite intentionally created this murderous situation (knowing the effects very well) and have, hence and IMO, the darn responsibility to take care of it.

Not in the way they do now by instigating everywhere so-called "regime change" and/or "revolutions" to get a hold of the resources of various countries or to make them comply with pipelines through their land (Syria) or to steal more land (Israel) ... no, they must actively work for a just and fair solution. The wars have proven to bring nothing but hardship to the people in the region as well as to the Europeans.

But as long as they view a "constructive chaos in the Middle East" (Condie Rice in Tel Aviv Press Conference in 2006) the best serving situation/tool for their purposes (US and Israel) then nothing is going to change.

And the people one is tempted to ask? Well ... they can go to hell - the sooner the better! That's the reality as it presents itself today.
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Friday December 30, 2016, 2:39 am

Thanks Heather for the link - definitely worth reading it!!

I especially like this one: "Netanyahu called the resolution “a disgraceful anti-Israel maneuver” and blamed it on an “old-world bias against Israel.” Furthermore, he vowed to exact a “diplomatic and economic price” from the countries that supported it." ... remembering that only and only thanks to the UN decision (and in blatant disregard of its own charta!!) did the State of Israel come into existence!! Again ... the hand that feeds you ...

This is a nice side-effect and sure not intended by Nutty:

"Palestinian rights advocates have quipped that Israel’s suspension of relations with the UNSC member nations that voted for the resolution—powerful countries including the U.K. and France—has effectively realized a goal of the boycott, divestment and sanctions movement. AlterNet contacted Omar Barghouti, one of the founders of the BDS movement, to see what he thought of this assessment. Barghouti replied, "This unanimous resolution, despite its many flaws in addressing basic Palestinian rights, has dealt Israel's colonial designs a serious blow that will inadvertently, yet significantly, enhance the impact of the BDS movement in isolating Israel academically, culturally, economically and otherwise.""
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Friday December 30, 2016, 2:46 am

BTW I recommend to also read the comments in the AlterNet article - tells a story in itself. Many advocate to stop funding Israel with US taxpayer $$ - sad that they don't listen in D.C. ... maybe the Americans should once try civil disobedience and stop paying their due taxes ...?!
 

Darren Woolsey (218)
Friday December 30, 2016, 2:53 am
Any argument basically boils down to the fact that humans, especially those who are in apparent, relative positions of power, like to think and believe they're in control, and claim land ownership.

At the time of writing, those with weaponry are even contemplating the usual acts of barbarity against their own kind. . . humankind waging wars against bits of itself.

Happy New Year. . . I don't think so.
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Friday December 30, 2016, 3:20 am
Darren - can't send you more Green Stars: *************************

The two-legged animals have proven over the centuries that they're learn-resistant when it comes to wars and it's effects and outcomes.

As Uri Avnery, founder of the Israeli Gush Shalom (Peace Bloc) said so succinct:

"Violence is the symptom - Oppression is the disease"

If I look at the earth I can't see any borders ... all I see is a planet on which we all live together ... I can't see any labels "Promised Land for Jews only" nor for Christians or Muslims or any other ethnical or religious denomination .. nor do I see any tags for "desirables" and "inferiors" ...
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Friday December 30, 2016, 4:41 am
In the aftermath of Kerry's speech linked above in my second comment I got the following email from Jewish Voice for Peace which I'd like to share with you. And in case you’d like to support JVP’s efforts you may visit this site.

~*~*~*~*~

Dear Eleonora, I wanted to make sure you saw this, as a JVP supporter outside the U.S. Our staff and our work are largely focused on the U.S., and that's no accident. We believe that the best way to achieve change in Israel/Palestine is by changing the U.S. policies that sustain apartheid. And so we're especially humbled and honoured to know that you are standing with us in that effort - lending your hand not just to bring about change in Israel/Palestine, but in the U.S. too (we obviously need all the help we can get!). Assembling the people power it'll take to establish Palestinian human rights as equal to that of any other people is truly a global project, and we're thrilled that you're with us -- no matter where in the world you're from. Thank you again for your support, Ari

Dear Eleonora, Yesterday, outgoing Secretary of State John Kerry named some truths we haven’t heard from U.S. officials for quite some time, and probably won’t hear again anytime soon:
•That Israel’s practice of seizing Palestinian land while denying Palestinian people equal rights, from the nakba to the present day, cannot continue
•That indefinite occupation and democracy are incompatible,
•That criticism of Israel’s racist policies is not inherently anti-semitic,
•And that continuing to deny Palestinians rights (not just in the occupied territories but also inside the Green Line) is at odds with democratic ideals.

We fundamentally agree on those points. Even though Kerry is close to departing the stage, and even if this honest assessment is mostly about preparing for the Trump administration, it’s a big deal to see a senior U.S. official restate these basic principles so clearly.

That’s the good news. But Kerry’s plea to preserve a two-state solution sounded more like its eulogy. His “plan” offered no vision for how Palestinian human rights will be established and defended -- so it’s no real plan at all.

The reality is that Israel has no incentive to comply with the moderate principles Kerry outlined -- even if Kerry was going to be in power to try to implement them. Just a few months ago, the U.S. promised Israel billions more dollars in military aid, and that aid was met with rampant settlement construction. And that was under President Obama. Working hand in hand with his racist allies in the incoming Trump administration, Netanyahu is drawing up plans for an extreme future of xenophobia, violence, and annexation.

That’s the bad news. But I do have a slice of good news: our movement is growing to meet that challenge. Our work has never been more urgent that it will become under President Trump, and we need you to stand with us and make it stronger.

Because no matter who is in the Oval Office, we’re committed to building political power. We’ll double down on the thing we do best: grassroots organizing that moves the needle. Strategic communications that help us feel and share our core values about this issue. Alliances that makes our accountability to Palestinians real. That’s the kind of work we need - and part of what made it not just possible, but politically expedient for John Kerry to condemn settlement growth and the Israeli politicians who promote it.

And it’s our organizing that will, in time, build the future we deserve: of peace, justice and human rights for all the people of Israel/Palestine.

John Kerry’s speech was far from perfect. It explained why only justice can lead to peace, but still advanced a failed “plan” that wouldn’t come close to establishing Palestinian human rights. And the speech came only when Secretary Kerry has one foot out the door, on the eve of a new Presidential administration that sees justice as a punchline rather than a goal.

But yesterday’s speech was still a huge milestone -- because the U.S. government’s most senior diplomat stated a plain truth: Israel must choose between apartheid and democracy.

It is up to all of us to pursue that vision for justice, dignity and equality for Palestinians and Israelis. We’ll be there in the streets, in Congress, on campuses, and in houses of worship. We’ll campaign through Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions campaigns, until Palestinian human rights are realized and respected the world over.

Thank you for being part of our movement,

Ari Wohlfeiler
 

Sheryl G (359)
Friday December 30, 2016, 5:51 am
Eleonora "What fails me is the fact that most Americans find it absolutely OK that the BDS movement is meantime in most of the US-States a criminal offense ... but stealing other people's land and destroying their livelihood incl. killing them ... seems to be agreeable to the very same people who mobilize against BDS!?!?!"

It is called years of brainwashing, right from the get go. Israel is our best friend, which brings me to Judy's BFF - Best Friends Forever - translation. From a child onward that is something that is mentioned many a time over TV magazines in people's churches etc always followed by remember the Holocaust. Nothing or little is said about anything else over in the middle east unless some eruption takes place and then it is see we must protect our "only friend" they will not lie to us, they are making sure they have somewhere to live, oh and remember the Holocaust. Just for good measure we get and they are the only democracy so if that fails - somehow implies our democracy goes too. Frightening.

So yes, JVP has it's work cut out for them in the USA, to lift the years of propaganda off and begin to have a people climb out of their fog. Just like when the Indians were being slaughtered they were referred to as all sorts of negative terms, savages being the most popular. Easier to kill savages then people you are stealing land from, babies that were ripped from the Mother's breast then bashing it's against a tree. Savages non human, in order for one to live these savages had to go.

How could the "good" people go along with that? The truth was hid from them as I'm sure no great detail on how horrendous the torture and killing was upon those "savages" and again, use of terms to bring out fear in others allow many to ignore or slumber in sleep. Once communication became easier people stood up against outright slaughter and then the shift came with moving them to places where they won't bother us, or they are like children they need our help, it will be for the better if we educate them to be exactly like us......so off to Boarding Schools they went, seldom to see their family again for 8 to 10 years, long enough so they are not "them".

Events play out in similar fashion generation after generation when it comes to Greed - in many areas the people live side by side or could live side by side until one group or another wants it all, land, wealth, the power.

BFF in the ego driven land grabbing must have it my way or no way at all maniacs of the world that seem to be there in this world generation after generation. The masses are played and used and never seem to wake up early but only after so much damage has already been done.

But as that letter to you Eleonora stated, "we obviously need all the help we can get! in lending a hand and a voice........we do the best we can in our humble positions to bring the sunshine onto the situations that the Greedy Heartless One would like to keep in the darkness.
 

W. C (7)
Friday December 30, 2016, 8:24 am
Thank you.
 

Lenore K (0)
Friday December 30, 2016, 12:12 pm
ok
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Friday December 30, 2016, 1:29 pm
Thank you very much, my dear Dandelion. Ever since I got so much valuable information from and through you with respect to the situation of the Native Indians I've ben seeing the many parallels between the US and Israel. Maybe this is another reason why there is so much "understanding" from the American's side? After all - they did exactly the same back then when they first landed at the shores of the new continent and continue doing it until today; DAPL being the latest. The colonizer has all the rights and - as you say - the oppressed is an inferior savage which doesn't really bother our conscience when we slaughter them. What's an inferior savage compared to the white settlers who bring "civilization and democracy" ... after all ...
 

Birgit W (160)
Friday December 30, 2016, 1:35 pm
Darren and Giana say it all. Thanks for sharing.
 

Colleen L (3)
Friday December 30, 2016, 1:59 pm
Agree that Darren and Giana says it all. Thanks Eleonora
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Friday December 30, 2016, 2:44 pm
I forgot to add a question, Dandelion and others who live in the States: did ever someone question the fact that throughout America there are 48 (forty eight) Holocaust memorials as well as two virtual ones? After all, America was not involved in the Holocaust at all. How come? What's the interest?
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Friday December 30, 2016, 2:49 pm
Here is what Uri Avnery has to say about this resolution - on his webpage as of tomorrow:

Uri Avnery
December 31, 2016

Anti-Semitic Zionists

WHAT REALLY got me was the applause.

There they were sitting at the round table, the representatives of the entire world, applauding their own handiwork, the resolution they had just adopted unanimously. The Security Council, like the Knesset, is not used to applause or any other spontaneous outbursts. And yet they clapped their hands like children who had just received their Christmas gift.

(It was indeed a day before Christmas and the first day of Hanukkah, a coincidence that happens once in decades, since the Christians use the solar calendar and the Jews still use a modified lunar calendar.)

The delegates were deliriously happy. They had just achieved something that had eluded them for many years: the condemnation of a blatant breach of international law by the government of Israel.

Consecutive presidents of the US had used their anachronistic veto power to prevent the UN doing its duty. Now, President Barak Obama, at the very end of his presidency, dared to challenge the government of Binyamin Netanyahu, a person he detests with all his heart.

And so, after years of frustration, the highest international body could adopt a resolution on Israel according to its convictions. No wonder they behaved like schoolchildren let out for vacation. A vacation that may, alas, prove to be short.

ON THE face of it, the joy was exaggerated. The resolution has almost no practical meaning. It has no teeth. Netanyahu could use the old oriental adage: "The dogs bark and the caravan moves on."

But Netanyahu's immediate reaction was very different. He acted like a wounded animal: running berserk, thrashing around, biting everyone in reach.

Some of his reactions bordered on the ridiculous. He could have belittled the resolution and made fun of it, as Israeli leaders have done many times before. Instead he recalled his ambassadors from Senegal and New Zealand (traditionally friendly nations), canceled visits of foreign statesmen, called in foreign ambassadors for a dressing-down on Christmas day, threw around insults and especially besmirched President Obama.

This was obviously a stupid thing to do. The President still has 21 days to go, 21 long days in which to hurt Netanyahu. He could, for example, allow the passage of an irrevocable UN resolution to recognize the State of Palestine as a full member of the UN. At the moment, all of official Israel is in a state of panic in anticipation of such a move.

If Netanyahu had read Machiavelli, he would have known that you do not challenge a lion, unless you are able to kill him. Especially, I would add, a lion you have insulted and wounded many times before. Even lions do sometimes get angry.

But Netanyahu's behavior may not be as stupid as it looks. Actually, it may be quite clever. Depends on his aim.

As a diplomatic strategy, it is disastrous. But as a strategy to win elections, it is quite sensible. Here is the great hero, the new King David, fighting for his people, facing down the entire world. Is there anyone in Israel who can compare with him?

IN THE bad old days of Golda Meir, one of the Israeli army's entertainment bands sang a jolly song which started with the words: "The whole world is against us / But we don't give a damn…" The band danced around to the tune.

For some reason, Jews derive satisfaction from a world-wide condemnation. It affirms what we have known all the time: that all the nations of the world hate us. It shows how special and superior we are. It has nothing to do with our own behavior, God forbid. It is just pure anti-Semitism.

Netanyahu is out-Golda-ing Golda. The old lady now looks down on him from heaven (or up to him from elsewhere?) with envy.

ZIONISM WAS supposed to liberate Israel from these old Jewish complexes. We were supposed to become a normal nation, Israelis instead of "exile" Jews, admired by other nations. Seems we have not quite succeeded.

But there is a great hope. Actually, a giant hope. It has a name: Donald Trump.

He has already tweeted that after he assumes power, everything regarding the UN will change.

But will it? Does anyone – including himself – really know what he has in mind? Can Netanyahu be quite sure?

True, he is sending a rabid Jewish-American ultra-right Zionist as his ambassador to Tel Aviv (or to Jerusalem, we shall see.) A person so right-wing that he makes Netanyahu himself almost look like a leftist.

But at the same time Trump has appointed as his closest assistant a radical white racist with full anti-Semitic credentials.

Perhaps, as some believe, it depends entirely on Trump's moods. Who knows what his mood will be on the morning of the first important UN vote on Israel? Will he be Trump the Zionist or Trump the anti-Semite?

ACTUALLY, HE can be both. No problem, really.

The avowed aim of Zionism is to ingather all the Jews in the world in the Jewish State. The avowed aim of the anti-Semites is to expel the Jews from all their countries. Both sides want the same. No conflict.

Theodor Herzl, the Founding Father of Zionism, recognized this right from the beginning. He went to Czarist Russia, which was governed by anti-Semites, and offered a deal: we take the Jews off your hands, you help us to convince them to leave. That was in the heyday of the murderous pogroms. But the Jews who left Russia went en masse to America, very few to Ottoman-ruled Palestine.

This was not a unique chapter. Throughout Zionist history, many attempts have been made to enlist anti-Semites to help in the implementation of the Zionist project.

Even before the Zionist movement was born, American and British evangelists preached the ingathering of the Jewish exiles in the holy land. They may have been Herzl’s inspiration. However, this message of redemption for the Jews had a secret clause. The return of the Jews to Palestine would allow for the second coming of Christ. But then, the Jews would convert to Christianity. Those who refused would be annihilated.

IN 1939, when the Nazi danger became obvious, the extreme Zionist leader Vladimir (Ze'ev) Jabotinsky called for a meeting of his followers in Poland. The leaders of the Irgun underground in Palestine attended. One of them was Abraham Stern, whose nom de guerre was Ya'ir.

The meeting decided to approach the anti-Semitic commanders of the Polish army and offer them a deal: you arm and train young Polish Jews, and we shall liberate Palestine and transport the Polish Jews there. The officers agreed and training camps were set up in Poland. World War II put an end to the plan.

With the outbreak of the war, Jabotinsky, an ardent Anglophile in spite of everything, ordered the Irgun to stop all such actions and cooperate with the British. Stern proposed the opposite approach. His credo was: our enemy is Britain. The war provides us an opportunity to drive them out. The enemy of our enemy is our friend. Adolf Hitler is an anti-Semite, but now he is our potential ally.

Stern's approach caused a split in the Irgun. A furious debate broke out in all the secret cells. As a 16-year old member, I took part. Being a refugee from Nazi Germany, I rejected Stern's thesis.

Stern created his own group (later called Lehi, Hebrew initials of Fighters for the Freedom of Israel, also known as the "Stern gang".) He sent an emissary to neutral Turkey, where he delivered the German ambassador a letter for "Mr. Hitler", offering cooperation. The Fuehrer did not reply. That was, of course, before the Holocaust.

Stern was caught by the British and "shot while trying to escape". When the war ended, and Soviet Russia became the enemy of Britain and the West, Stern's heirs approached Stalin and offered cooperation. Stalin, whose anti-Semitism was becoming more pronounced at the time, ignored the offer.

During the war, one of the architects of the Holocaust was Adolf Eichmann, the SS officer who was in charge of organizing the transport of Hungarian Jews to Auschwitz. In Budapest he established contact with a group of Zionists, led by Israel Kastner, with whom he made a deal. As a good-will gesture he allowed him to send a few hundred Jews to neutral Switzerland.

Eichmann sent one member of the group, Yoel Brand, to Istanbul, with a crazy-looking offer to the Zionist leadership in Jerusalem: if the allies provided the Nazis with a thousand trucks, the deportation of the Hungarian Jews would be stopped.

Contrary to his instructions, Brand crossed the border into British-occupied Syria and was arrested by the British. The deportation of the Hungarian Jews - ten thousand a day – went on.

What was the Nazis' purpose in this bizarre affair? My own theory is that Heinrich Himmler was already determined to dethrone Hitler and make a separate peace with the Western allies. Eichmann served his plan to establish contact with the allies. As a dyed-in-the-wool anti-Semite, Himmler was convinced that the Jews control the world.

Some time after the war, in Israeli captivity, Eichmann wrote down his memories. He stated that he believed that the Zionists were the "biologically positive" element of the Jewish race.

Mahmood Abbas, by the way, as a student at Moscow University, wrote his doctoral thesis on Nazi-Zionist cooperation.

CAN TRUMP'S assistants now include rabid Zionists and rabid anti-Semites at the same time?

Of course they can.

This week, our far-right Minister of Defense, Avigdor Lieberman, condemned the French plan to convene (in Paris in a few days from now) a conference on Israeli-Palestinian peace. The Israeli government fears that there, Secretary of State John Kerry will submit his detailed practical plan for a peace agreement, including the setting up of the State of Palestine. This plan would be adopted by the conference, and then by the UN Security Council.

This would be President Obama's parting shot. No veto.

(By the way, Kerry's plan is almost identical with a plan my friends and I published in 1957, 59 years ago, called "The Hebrew Manifesto".)

Blazing with fury, Lieberman compared this to the Dreyfus Affair. Some 120 years ago, a Jewish captain in the French army was falsely convicted of espionage for Germany and sent to Devil's Island off French Guiana. He was later acquitted. Zionist mythology has it that Theodor Herzl, then a Paris correspondent of a Viennese newspaper, was so shaken by the event that he was inspired with the Zionist idea.

The coming Paris conference, Lieberman asserted angrily, was the Dreyfus Affair all over again, only this time against the entire Jewish people.

But not to worry: Donald Trump and his anti-Semitic Zionists will put everything in order again.
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Friday December 30, 2016, 3:06 pm

For those readers who wonder what Uri Avnery is alluding to with this sentence "He sent an emissary to neutral Turkey, where he delivered the German ambassador a letter for "Mr. Hitler", offering cooperation."

Various sources point to this document about the collaboration offer with Hitler by the Stern Gang. The original of this cooperation offer to Nazi Germany can be found at the German Ministry of Foreign Affairs Archive (Auswaertiges Amt Archiv), Bestand 47-59, E224152 and E234155-58. The complete original text was published in the doctorate of David Yisraeli (Tel Aviv University), The Palestinian Problem in German Politics 1889-1945 (Israel: 1947) pp. 315-317.
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Friday December 30, 2016, 4:01 pm

BTW - this was Gush Shalom's ad in today's Haaretz:

"It is possible
To have
A noisy quarrel
With all the world.

It is not possible
To convince
The world
That settlements
Are legal."
 

Lona G (66)
Friday December 30, 2016, 7:07 pm
Thanks for posting an excellent article and comments. Eleonora. There are too may out-of-control megalomaniacs in places of power these days and it's good to see that some, like Netanyahu, are on the brink of a really hard tumble.

I'd had thought Netanyahu a cleverer politician than this. After America's abstinence vote in the UN, the passed resolution and the hard and truthful speech Kerry made, Netanyahu could have bide his time and wait till pal Dumpf took over and set things right again. But no, he went ballistic and alienated every one except for a few penguins in Antarctica. Drumpf hasn't picked up the pieces for anyone nor kept a promise in his life, so Netanyahu can't expect much from him now except a belligerent "settler" ambassador who want's to set up shop in Jerusalem and make matters even worse. May they both sink into oblivion as soon as possible and take Drumpf with them.
 

Janet B (0)
Friday December 30, 2016, 7:18 pm
Thanks
 

Janis K (129)
Friday December 30, 2016, 8:21 pm
Thanks for sharing.
 

Bryan S (105)
Friday December 30, 2016, 8:23 pm
Thanks Eleonora. I got the idea about the 38 billion from this talk on youtube. It gives a good description: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XlsK2KgriRg

Yes, there have been too many in the US who have believed propaganda from the US government for too long. And the most horrible irony in the Middle East is that the US has bombed so many places unjustly in the name of "democracy" while then supporting and aiding Israel also in the name of "democracy".

As for Israel's plan for the Palestinians, i also thought of the Native Americans. Push them to small areas of the least valuable land, give them no real rights, use force if necessary. That is a very succinct truth published by Gush Shalom.
 

Stephen Brian (23)
Friday December 30, 2016, 9:06 pm
There are at least two other fairly simple explanations for Netnyahu's behaviour.

Coming out as an enemy of Obama is likely to pay off starting in three weeks. With some of Obama's last-minute legacy-work designed specifically to make it more difficult for Trump to carry out his campaign-promises, he is going to reward anybody who opposed Obama. Politics are also shifting to the Right in New Zealand. the rising popularity of New Zealand First is going to push the governing National Party to cut it off by presenting a more credible right-wing voice. Europe is moving the Right as well. All of this means less sympathy for Palestinians after the next election. New leaders would reward him for opposing their predecessor-opponents, and remaining leaders, needing a way to shift Right to maintain power, may take his lead on the matter.

Another possible reason which is equally or more likely is that he is playing Israeli domestic politics on the international stage. His coalition depends on every single party in it, and some of them are hard-right. He both wants to appease them for now, and take their votes in the next election so he becomes less dependent on them. Lashing out after this resolution is an effective way to do that.

Netanyahu could very well just be out of control and acting emotionally, or this could be a calculated move expected to pay off before the next Israeli election, assuming he survives his current scandals. Whatever his motivation, I would not laugh and dismiss what he is doing as so farcical. Keep an eye on the next elections throughout the West and see what impact the fit Netanyahu is throwing will have.
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Friday December 30, 2016, 11:48 pm

Lona - your words in someone's ear(s). I sincerely believe that the world would be a better place without Netanyahu in any position of power. First and foremost Israelis would be much safer if this war-mongering Nazi (yes, I'm aware of what I'm saying!) would not be any longer in the driving seat.

As for Herr Drumpf - we will see what he's made of other than big words.
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Saturday December 31, 2016, 12:02 am

Thanks Bryan for this link. I've never seen the guy but he puts his finger right on the spots - LOL - and highlights the many uncomfortable truths.

Very much like Prof Norman Finkelstein does on a different level and some years back: Why don’t they want to hear that the other side is ready to settle since decades?. He too mentions truths which are always conveniently forgotten by the Zionists anyway ... but also by those Zionist supporters.

I guess the look in the mirror is just too scary and shameful ... so lets brush over it with that thick paint brush and scream at every corner "anti-Semite" - as if this has ever been an argument to cover illegality and crimes against humanity as well as war crimes!!

If you go on Gush Shalom's website you find this great and irresistible peace proposal - nota bene the only one ever made by Israel! - of 2000/1 which these bad Palestinian people refused! Yeah ... how could they only resist such an offer ... it fails me ... ... ops they accepted the 2001 Taba proposal as a basis. Yet - even that was not good enough for the Zionist leaders. It is exactly what you describe in your comment above.

Barak’s Generous Offer

Israel’s Democracy
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Saturday December 31, 2016, 12:16 am

Hi Stephen - nice to see you again too ;-); we've both been away for some time it seems ...

Well, Nutty didn't just come out now as an enemy of Obama - this was clear from day one that a refined person like Obama can't see eye to eye with such a school yard bully. Although Obama failed on all fronts (IMO) and gave Israel more than any other President did - he still is a 10-notch classier person than this colonial immigrant Milikovsky aka Netanyahu who lies the moment he opens his gap.

Having said that - I suspected from the moment go that this whole charade is designed to put a thick smoke screen over the criminal investigations he faces at home. He has to show the gullible and deeply scared Israeli (the scare being done intentionally and daily by the government!) that he's the tough guy who stands up against this international conspiracy against Israel and, hence, he must be re-elected. Let there be no mistake here: the deals have already been cut some time ago with those right-wingers you address.

That we see a general trend to the right in Europe and elsewhere ... well, you know who to thank for, don't you?! Those creators and handlers of ISIS et al. would definitely welcome some appreciation ... not! But without disrespect to NZ - I don't recall that they play such a vital role - not to the left and not to the right.

On a personal level I must admit that I liked the looks of Bibi better before he started dying his hair. He was a perfect match with Abbas. Now he looks somehow "arabized" as most Arab leaders dye their hair :-(. Sure Bibi would love my comment as he starts fitting a little bit better into the Middle East ... ;-)!
 

Evelyn B (63)
Saturday December 31, 2016, 2:34 am
Lona - You make a very good point! Had BN been smart, like Putin - he'd have played a low profile. Because this SCR has no more teeth than any of the many previous SCR condemning Israeli policies & strategies - hundreds of them. It's only been in recent decades that the US has stepped into the total protector role in the SC, systematically vetoing anything that reads as criticism of the State of Israel. *************************

That's an interesting video, Brian - thanks!
 

Marco C (31)
Saturday December 31, 2016, 4:27 am
Psychosis elevated to the level of state leader. Its gone viral, we now have one of our own. Go USA.
 

Evelyn B (63)
Saturday December 31, 2016, 6:16 am
Having watched some videos linked from here - I came across another of interest (from last March)
Inside Story - Why is Netanyahu trying to rewrite history?
 

Sheryl G (359)
Saturday December 31, 2016, 7:17 am
Within the article you left by Uri Avnery, which by the way held a wealth of historical information, it read:

"But will it? Does anyone – including himself – really know what he has in mind? Can Netanyahu be quite sure?

True, he is sending a rabid Jewish-American ultra-right Zionist as his ambassador to Tel Aviv (or to Jerusalem, we shall see.) A person so right-wing that he makes Netanyahu himself almost look like a leftist.

But at the same time Trump has appointed as his closest assistant a radical white racist with full anti-Semitic credentials.

Perhaps, as some believe, it depends entirely on Trump's moods. Who knows what his mood will be on the morning of the first important UN vote on Israel? Will he be Trump the Zionist or Trump the anti-Semite?

ACTUALLY, HE can be both. No problem, really.

The avowed aim of Zionism is to in gather all the Jews in the world in the Jewish State. The avowed aim of the anti-Semites is to expel the Jews from all their countries. Both sides want the same. No conflict.

Even before the Zionist movement was born, American and British evangelists preached the ingathering of the Jewish exiles in the holy land. They may have been Herzl’s inspiration. However, this message of redemption for the Jews had a secret clause. The return of the Jews to Palestine would allow for the second coming of Christ. But then, the Jews would convert to Christianity. Those who refused would be annihilated."

I recall on C2 when we use to have more active members some lively conversations and one of them was when one member posted a David Duke video. No there was no outright slamming of one race or religion over another, a slick job, sort of the backdrop to what Donald Trump would use, Make America Great, and a lot of people jumped on it's bandwagon. I and a few others, MJM being one of them, said, but the video was made by David Duke and there is a method to his madness with this film.

Some people honestly did not know who David Duke was and the film was set to draw in those who would not know perhaps who he was or continue to support those who were already hooked. David Duke was a former Imperial Wizard of the KKK, meaning he wasn't just a member of the KKK he was it's HEAD of it. As a few learned that fact they moved off the thread, however the poster, who claimed she did not know that fact when posted still stuck with the video and said it had valid information. David Duke supported Donald Trump by the way.

I said, it holds enough truth to draw in people who would not normally follow the KKK. This is similar tactics that other groups use, ISIS for example, very few will jump right in if one said you will behead people and give knives to children to train them how to do the same. You draw the "lost" and dissatisfied into the realm bit by bit inch by inch. David Dukes slick video's was to draw the unwary in - and one of our Zionist on C2 backed the David Duke film as well. I told her to be careful, because he'd have her head on a platter right along with the African Americans and the people of Palestine.

I think Donald Trump wants fame more than anything and I do believe he would like to turn the USA into a Trump Tower, he has an ego thing. The ones around him, they have certain plans and I think it was I'll wash your back and you can wash mine, we'll get you there, we'll help, but in the end they have "their" plans. On the Republican side there was only one Candidate that would be more frightening than Donald Trump and it was Ted Cruz - because he is a "Believer".

Which brings me back to the part of what Uri Avnery "The return of the Jews to Palestine would allow for the second coming of Christ. But then, the Jews would convert to Christianity. Those who refused would be annihilated." Ted Cruz follows Dominionism and not only follows, it is believed Ted Cruz is an appointed one as per what he has been groomed to be.

Rafael Cruz, Ted's Father, is also a Preacher of Dominionism which holds that Christianity should exercise “dominion” over all of society, not just the traditional boundaries of religion. Historically, dominionism began as an offshoot of Christian Reconstructionism, the sect founded in the 1960s by defender-of-slavery R.J. Rushdoony that seeks to replace secular law with Biblical law, stonings and all.

And yet too few in the USA seem concerned with this group, already here in the USA, and get all in a dither about Muslims only. It is having one's blinders on. A group of Dominionism Preachers got together and so appointed or anointed Ted Cruz as such. Rafael Cruz said to his son, “You know, Ted, you have been gifted above any man that I know and God has destined you for greatness.”

I know Ted Cruz has not gone away, I have read where it is now stated that Donald Trump is just paving the way......

There is a curse, "may you live in interesting times" - well these will certainly be "interesting" times for us all no matter where we live.

There was a reason our Forefathers placed Separation of Church and State - but like many of our rights of the Foundation laid - we are losing them faster than the sands slipping through a sieve.





 

Marija M (25)
Saturday December 31, 2016, 9:28 am
...some very interesting comments...tks
 

Janet B (0)
Saturday December 31, 2016, 3:08 pm
Thanks
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Sunday January 1, 2017, 1:39 am

Not getting notifications anymore since yesterday – New Year gift from C2 :-( …

I remembered a certain video … searched for it … found it … and that is what I wrote: “After the reactions of polit-Israel to the latest UNSC resolution I believe it’s worth the time and watch this video discussion between Prof. Finkelstein, Gregg Roman and Mouin Rabbani of March 2016 where Gregg Roman tries to trivialize Netanyahu’s gaffe about the Holocaust.. Just picture for a moment what Mouin Rabbani says in answer to Gregg Roman … if a Palestinian leader would … listen to the interview.”

… only to find your comment, Evelyn, when I went on the thread! Well, anyone who want’s to watch it on YouTube … there are some interesting comments.
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Sunday January 1, 2017, 4:50 am

I loved and welcome your excursion over to Ted Cruz who for me was always the equivalent of the Muslim Brothers and Salafists (in Islam) or orthodox Jews. Except that the Muslims and the Jews (for all I know) don't believe in the second coming of Christ ... But I might be wrong on that.

It always shocked and scared me in a way when I heard Cruz and people on his campaign speak or when I watched interviews with his supporters. A carbon copy of the crazy bearded guys in Judaism as well as in Islam. Yet - as you pointed out - all they can see is the "danger" coming from normal Muslims as well as from extremists. The extremist Christians and Zionists/Jews in their midst get overlooked.

I also remember a statement by Joe Biden saying that he is proud to be a (Christian) Zionist! Does this mean his too is a Dominionist?

I believe it's high time that we take the exclusive focus off the extremists in Islam and divide our attention to the extremists in all 3 Abrahamic religions equally.

Equally we should stop pandering to the interests and the "tone of the time" and only speak of terrorism if the attacks are performed by Muslims. Drone attacks on innocent civilians and Jewish settler attacks on innocent Palestinians (Christians and Muslims) are equally to be called Jewish and Christian terrorist attacks - ...

Or ... one can simply get rid of all the religious denominations and call a spade a spade: all of them are in reality attacks on our freedom and democracy (see Patriot Acts, see the security acts instantly introduced in France, Belgium and Germany after those attacks!) and an attempt to pit us people against each other using the oldest and cheapest but best working trick in the book: religions.

But I'm not holding my breath ...

I don't have at the moment further details about the attack of last night in Istanbul (midnight our time, New Year's Eve) which killed so far 39 and injured over 40 innocent victims. IF it was politically motivated then it should be called exactly that: political assassinations. But because the killer was most likely Muslim I already hear about the latest Islamic terror attack (even if the attacker was a mentally deranged person) ... forgetting that the absolute majority of the victims are Muslims themselves.

If Christians kill Christians ... like the many mass shootings in America ... would ever somebody in the mass media or politicians call this "Christian terror attacks" ...???

We have a very long way to go to free ourselves from decades of brainwashing.
 

Janet B (0)
Sunday January 1, 2017, 2:35 pm
Thanks
 

Evelyn B (63)
Monday January 2, 2017, 2:23 am
An interesting analysis - by David Rothkopf, CEO & editor of the FP group (a Jewish American, I believe?)
The Last Act of Obama's Israel Drama May Be His Best
 

Evelyn B (63)
Monday January 2, 2017, 2:44 am
**************************************************************** Eleonora

The problem isn't the religion, it's those who use their religion to crush, condemn others: the extremists. They are a minority in any religion (or, for that matter, any political movement except when they create their own political movement to promote their condemnation of "the OTHER".

And the extremists play the "innocence" card when they use one label (if they can find any opening) to attach to a horror event ... and avoid an equally valid (or invalid) use of an equivalent label when their own kind are responsible for a horror. Who labelled Jo Cox's killer "Christian"? Or Anders Breivik - "Christian" killer of 69 youth on Utøya? I could give many recent examples of killers from "Christian" backgrounds ... most of them influenced by extremist right wing movements. Who labelled the killers of a Palestinian family "Jewish"? ... they at least were recognised as extremist settlers but the religious tag was avoided ...

And it's not only the 3 Abrahamic religions. Sadly - and counter to everything one believes about Buddhism - the Rohingya have been being massacred by Buddhists, even by monks - yet the religious label has been used very rarely there ...

Basically - we owe it to ourselves to ask, when there's a horror event and NO religion is mentioned - "WHY have they avoided any label on the perpetrator?" NOT in order to blame the religion, but in order to keep track of extremism-driven crime irrespective of religious background - and keep a balance in the picture we have of violence in our world.

RIP, all those who died in Istanbul - and my thoughts are with all their families & friends.
 

Darren Woolsey (218)
Monday January 2, 2017, 3:38 am
Shared Last Act article over social media to spread awareness.
 

Darren Woolsey (218)
Monday January 2, 2017, 3:38 am
Shared Last Act article over social media to spread awareness.
 

Sheryl G (359)
Monday January 2, 2017, 7:18 am
There are Christians that follow various segments of Christianity, ie Methodist, Church of Christ, Catholic, there are Baptist - now the Catholics and the Baptist might be a bit more strict than say the Methodists but all pretty much can live in mainstream society.

However there are people who consider themselves Christians and they follow some pretty extreme forms, we have a small group that dances with rattlesnakes and people get bit and die but thankfully this isn't at all catching on in large numbers. We do have sects such as the Dominionist that can cause some real issues and are making inroads into our political system. They downplay that they are Dominionist stating mostly a belief in Christianity, but make no bones about it, they have plans.

Dominionism pushes that the USA IS a Christian Nation, and that is where a lot of non Dominion people in mainstream society start to pick up on this "we are a Christian Nation". No we are not, it is why separation of church and state was placed in. Certainly you have a right to a religion or not to one if that be the case but we are NOT a Christian Nation, perhaps more people follow Christianity but we are not to be thought of as a Christian Nation. Dominionist do NOT agree to that clause of separation.

Ted Cruz Cruz liked to talk about “taking back” or “reclaiming” the United States. Wasn't that also a Trump thing to, take back America, Make America great again. Sounds pretty harmless. But Trump drew in more people connected with the Christian prosperity movement, a form of evangelicalism that celebrates the accumulation of wealth as a sign of God’s blessing. Is why they get upset with liberals who they feel are causing them financial pain with their "liberal" thoughts of accepting gays and a legal right to abortion. Failing to see the Corporate take over and wage stagnation and jobs going overseas through bad Trade deals. They instead see it as God's punishment and the Oligarchy loves them to "think" that is why and so that message is pushed.

That is bad enough, but Cruz and his followers are darker than that. Cruz wants Americans to believe the country has fallen away from its spiritual founding and he, with God’s help, is the man who can bring it back. Ted's Father, Rafael Cruz described his son’s political campaign as a direct fulfillment of biblical prophecy. The elder Cruz told the congregation that God would anoint Christian “kings” to preside over an “end-time transfer of wealth” from the wicked to the righteous.

Ted Cruz is anointed by God to help Christians in their effort to “go to the marketplace and occupy the land and take dominion” over it. This “end-time transfer of wealth” will relieve Christians of all financial woes, allowing true believers to ascend to a position of political and cultural power in which they can build a Christian civilization. When this Christian nation is in place, Jesus will return.

Dominionism isn't just for some people to find some spiritual comfort to get through their days, it is a step by step take over of first this Nation and then the world. Imagine Cruz having the codes to the nukes, I'm King President and you'll submit to us or else. As I've mentioned in an earlier statement, they believe in the biblical laws not man's laws, and they'll go right back to the days of stoning. When these people that work within faiths, go to the extreme, then we have in my mind a problem. The call themselves Christians too but I don't think a lot of Christians would want to follow that - yet step by step they are starting to use the terms and language of these extremists and I bet the same can be said for the extremist of other faiths. Extremist left unchecked of any faith can be dangerous.

Around the world be it Israel or wherever there seems to be a push to go to the extremes no matter what the religion is, yes even Buddhist attacking people, blows my mind because one thinks of them as being so peaceful. And we can get into why all this is taking place but one thing is for certain when the inequality is deep and as this global economic mess is spinning out of control more people will feel pressured to fight for their own survival and Climate Disruption is going to cause more of it where crops use to grow and can no longer do so be it floods or drought. The toxins in our environment is cause many people to become sick in the body but also in the mind. The Oligarchy use all of this to control us to feed their addiction to greed it is something Bernie Sanders and Sarah Silverman discuss at one point at this INTERVIEW SARAH AND BERNIE

So, no while religion in and of itself is not a bad thing it can be and is being used as a tool against us and all across history that was warned as well.
 

Winn A (179)
Monday January 2, 2017, 7:37 am
Noted
 

Georgina Elizab M (17)
Monday January 2, 2017, 8:49 am
Has he ever been in control??
 

Helga Ganguly (138)
Monday January 2, 2017, 11:23 am
On days like this I prefer to see myself as a Hindu.
 

Janet B (0)
Monday January 2, 2017, 1:08 pm
Thanks
 

Darren Woolsey (218)
Monday January 2, 2017, 11:54 pm
shared the interview footage over social media to spread awareness, Dandelion.
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Tuesday January 3, 2017, 3:16 am

Thanks Evelyn and Dandelion - I know we are in agreement on the basic problem(s). Sorry for not coming back sooner but I still don't get any notifications in my email :-(.

We've had this argument and/or discussion in so many threads, Evelyn - about the fact that only Islam is singled out as "religion-based and inspired" violence, terror, attacks ... whatever one wants to call it.

You mention that incident when Jewish settlers killed a Palestinian family - I go even further and mention the daily attacks by Jewish extremist settlers on defenseless Palestinian citizens who just want to farm their land or travel from one place to another in the West Bank and get on DAILY basis harassed, attacked and often wounded ... and nobody bothers to take any notice. Except B'tselem, the Israeli Human Rights Watch Org who has done so much in the past to bring these daily attacks by Jewish religious extremists to the fore.

Thanks to the cameras B'tselem is distributing to Palestinian civilians we also have it on record that most often the IDF stands idly by and watches on as the Jewish extremists mount their vicious attacks on innocent Palestinian civilians incl. women and children.

Other than that: absolute SILENCE except for some rare cases when they go "overboard" and sure not a single word of condemnation by any international politicians.

As you mention the latest Istanbul attack, Evelyn - have you seen any hashtag for it? I haven't. Have you seen any report that also on the 2nd of Jan a mosque was attacked in Istanbul by a man of unknown origin or religion with a Kalashnikov? I have but only thanks to a Turkish friend who was kind enough to send me a translated article.

How much headlines did the 36 human beings make who were killed in a terrorist attack yesterday in Baghdad or those 56 who were wounded in the same attack? But the whole world is up in arms if 12 people get killed in Berlin in a terrorist attack and the son of the one Israeli killed gets flown to Berlin to light the official Menorah ...

I'm dwelling on these examples because I placed in the expat WhatsApp group (with 256 members) a sea of candles with some words of compassion and request for prayers for the victims and their families when the last Istanbul attack happened - similar to the one which was placed when the other European terrorist attacks happened. The reactions ... respectively the lack thereof ... were quite sobering. The only one addressing the issue was an Italian friend although of the 256 participants 79 had read the message by noon time. I don't want to withhold her comment (verbetum): "Unfortunately the world is full of stupid people. I wish you all a year full of love, serenity, health. Happy New Year!!"

The group was quiet for the entire day although the ladies are usually quite active. At night the group admin. placed an info regarding an event ... the ice was broken and ever since they chatter as usual. Whereas when the Berlin attack happened the entire day incl. the next one was filled with sad comments, condemnation and prayers for the victims and especially for the Israeli woman.

There's nothing to say anymore ... or is there?
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Tuesday January 3, 2017, 3:29 am

To mention another example from the news of January 1st, 2017: "Police in Florence say a bomb squad officer lost an eye and had to have a hand amputated after a suspicious package he was examining exploded before dawn Sunday. Florence Police Chief Alberto Intini told reporters that the package left outside a shuttered bookshop with links to a group of extreme right activists, CasaPound, had caught the attention of a passing police patrol."

It can be safely assumed that those who placed the package which was loaded with explosives where not Muslims but Christians given that Italy is still a deeply Christian country and given that the CP is a right-wing group. Yet ... the religious label was nowhere to be found ...
 

Evelyn B (63)
Tuesday January 3, 2017, 4:43 am
Eleonora - QED (not "Yet"!) ... no religious label. So when, in a few months, people talk of the explosives & the injured officer, mental conflation will place it as a Muslim act ...

Stephen "explained" why the IOF are seen standing around & not intervening in those situations. He seemed to find his explanation completely adequate :
- The IOF mandate is protection of the settlers from Palestinian violence.
- Their mandate does not permit them to intervene when settlers perpetrate violence, because they're in Palestine & therefore it is the role of Palestinian forces of law and order.

He never did clarify if IOF would "have" to intervene if the Palestinian police were to lay hands on the settlers ... after all, that would be considered 'violence' ??? Against the aggressors, who happen to be settlers (& usually very extremist). Palestinian police don't have any mandate over Israeli settlers ...
Heads, the settlers win ... tails, the Palestinians lose. And apparently that's not a problem???

No - it has nothing intrinsically to do with RELIGION (in the sense of a faith), the religious tags are (ab)used for political purposes - blame or justification.

And as long as flames of hate can be stirred up, any innate sense of justice & right can easily be frozen & stifled.

Extremism stinks - & most of all when it is able to use political decision makers & leaders to provide a "cover" for white-washing.
 

Darren Woolsey (218)
Tuesday January 3, 2017, 12:17 pm
Make no mistake, when Religion and Politics mix, true religious behavior gets mangled, lost in the mix, and forgotten about.
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Tuesday January 3, 2017, 2:38 pm
Love your comment, Evelyn - very much to the point as always!

Especially this sentence: "So when, in a few months, people talk of the explosives & the injured officer, mental conflation will place it as a Muslim act ... " expresses exactly what I thought when I read it. Frankly, my fist thought was "Another Mohamed or Ahmed being the accused?".

It's interesting how clearly one can see the mind "games" that are at work - meantime any "terrorist attack" automatically triggers the association with Islam no matter what. They're always the first ones to be blamed. If it turns out that no Muslims are involved (like in the recent attack in Switzerland) then the news items fades almost instantly somewhere to a back page ...

Honi soit qui mal y pense ...

I always love how Stephen "explains away" the inexplicable. Whether his explanations are based on facts (instructions within the IOF) or not - I simply can't imagine that any law enforcing unit would be standing by and watch innocent civilians being attacked without lifting a finger. The interesting part he seems to have omitted or overlooked or is not aware of: more often than not the Palestinians who resist the attacks and defend themselves ... get arrested and/or restrained by the very same IOF which can't act to protect them in the first place ... but hey!! they're the most moral army in the world! My foot they are ...
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Tuesday January 3, 2017, 3:02 pm

Dandelion - sorry for not answering earlier to your comment but we had a power cut and my half-finished comment went up into thin air ...

These two sentences caught my attention:

"This “end-time transfer of wealth” will relieve Christians of all financial woes, allowing true believers ..." and "Dominionism isn't just for some people to find some spiritual comfort to get through their days, it is a step by step take over of first this Nation and then the world."

First - I always thought that earthly riches are not condoned in Christianity ... at least that's what they told us in school during religious education - LOL. Seems not to be true or not adhered to ...

Second - it seems to me we're looking at a case of pure projection when the Christian politicians always claim that Islam wants to take over step by step the world and establish a world caliphate (not really knowing what caliphate truly means).

In the end it boils down to what I'm saying since years: it's nothing but power hunger and greed of any of those "religious" people of any of the 3 religions and their books are just used as fig leaves.

Equally I'm advocating since years that the extremists of all three Abrahamic religions are birds of the same feather and that they should all be put on a remote and isolated island where they can sort out matters till the last man standing. Meantime, we normal people could live a normal life in a normal world ...
 

Lenore K (0)
Tuesday January 3, 2017, 7:25 pm
ok
 

Stephen Brian (23)
Tuesday January 3, 2017, 8:46 pm
Hi Eleonora :)

It's not even a matter of classy people and non-classy people. It's the Left / Right split and opposing ideologies playing a part in foreign affairs. Americans and Israelis have both used foreign policy to play domestic politics before, though the U.S. has much greater luxury to do that, being in a friendlier neighborhood. We see the same dynamic, more explicitly, with Obama, Putin, and Trump where Obama has no problem kicking out Russian diplomats, but Putin likes and wants to get along with Trump, so he didn't reciprocate. The criminal investigation into Netanyahu's affairs could certainly play a role in his push in domestic politics. While a conviction would force him to step down like his predecessor did, anything short of full public exoneration would leave him open to accusations in the next Israeli election,, and there is no way the investigation would produce such good press for him. Assuming his career survives the current investigation, he is going to need as much support as he can get to maintain power through the next election.

Regarding the Israeli armed forces' interventions in settler / Palestinian violence, what we have to remember is that they're not a regular law-enforcement agency charged with upholding the law. They're an army, charged with protecting a country and its citizens. Unless fairness is deemed useful to the long-term large-scale protection of Israelis and of Israel, it is not their job to be fair in this way. That said, if soldiers do receive orders to cooperate with Palestinian law-enforcement agencies, which I understand they usually do, then they are mandated to follow their orders. Israeli police forces, on the other hand, ought to be a different story: They should arrest any settlers who are aggressive toward Palestinians. If they are unable to enforce the law in some settlements due to resistance from settlers, then the Israeli armed forces should be assigned to supplement them until they are able to enforce it. Something may have been misunderstood in my earlier comments about the mandate of the Israeli army so perhaps I should clarify: The Israeli army and police are separate agencies. That the army is no mandated to do something does not mean there is no Israeli force mandated to do it. Evelyn, how would you feel if France decided to combine its forces' mandates, imposing martial law while sending police off to war? That would be ridiculous, wouldn't it?
 

Evelyn B (63)
Tuesday January 3, 2017, 10:50 pm
Stephen - you were very clear, explaining that the IOF hovering around & watching aggressions committed by extremist settler have no mandate to intervene except to protect the settlers. (The context where you raised this was a video of settlers aggressing Palestinian kids going to school, and you were explaining in response to strong criticism of the way they stood watching.)

Are you changing that explanation now? Are you saying that there IS a force mandated to intervene when settlers aggress and attack Palestinians in the West Bank? Because if so, can you now explain why it is not THEY who are present when known extremist settlers, aka trouble-makers, descend into Palestinian (non-settlement) land?

Or are you justifying the fact that IOF DO intervene if Palestinians respond to provocation & aggression, defend themselves when these settlers attack them, because in your eyes, such defence is WAR, while the aggression - which they have witnessed - is NOT? They don't even call in settlement/Israeli police to deal with the Israeli perpetrators - but they respond with their weapons if there is any risk of injury to their (violent & violence-provoking) extremists. Can you honestly say that you don't believe that they'd interpret intervention by Palestinian police as equally a threat to those Israelis who have intruded with aggressive intent on private Palestinian land?

So - which Israeli force IS mandated to PREVENT settler aggression when it takes place in Areas A or B?

Your "equivalent" is nonsense - unless you are saying that ANY confrontation on Palestinian non-settlement land is war, so sending the police to control Israeli settlers who are provoking violence (or trying to) by aggressing Palestinians, burning their trees, their property, stealing land by planting caravans as outposts that then become settlements .... sending police to control these criminals would be an equivalent to sending police off to war????? THAT's an infernal spiral that reflects the peace-preventing logic we are seeing.

"Unless fairness is deemed useful to the long-term large-scale protection of Israelis and of Israel, it is not their job to be fair in this way. "

In truth - the long-term security of Israel & Israelis DOES depend on either elimination of all Palestinians form Palestine (the perspective of the extremist Zionists) OR on de-escalation by preventing this almost daily process of aggression and expansion of settlers across land that is Palestinian (as delineated by the Green Line & recognised internationally ... although noticeably ABSENT on Israeli maps - and ignored by the settlement drive). So YES - it is in the long-term interest of a moral State of Israel to ensure "fairness" in such contexts. Because de-escalation is key to being able to build a peaceful co-existence.

And as you say:
"Israeli police forces, on the other hand, ought to be a different story: They should arrest any settlers who are aggressive toward Palestinians. If they are unable to enforce the law in some settlements due to resistance from settlers, then the Israeli armed forces should be assigned to supplement them until they are able to enforce it. " So - it is long past time for this to be adopted as policy. Which is in fact, exactly the point being made.

And no, I don't think we misunderstood what you said. In fact, you have just confirmed it.
Those who have the mandate to intervene are not there - those (IOF) who are VERY present, visible in every video of such settler attacks, do NOT have the mandate to prevent settler aggression - they are only mandated to intervene with force if & when the perpetrators of the aggressions are themselves then at risk of harm. Their intervention must be against those who might HARM the perpetrators.

That is what contributes significantly to keeping war alive and well ...
 

Evelyn B (63)
Tuesday January 3, 2017, 11:06 pm
There's a close parallel in the situation at Standing Rock, I suspect! Relatively massive presence of militarised police - but it wasn't they who controlled DAPL workers who tried to step in & escalate violent reactions among the Water Protectors & their supporters. It was the Water Protectors who caught these agents provocateurs. The official narrative claims violence initiated by the Water Protectors - yet there hasn't been a single video that supports this claim clearly! (There have been a few night-time clips, where one really can't see anything & the narrative tells one that gas canisters were thrown ... ) But there are thousands of videos uploaded that show an incredible level of control by the Water Protectors, preventing violent response even in the face of extreme provocation.

The Palestinians haven't managed to establish the same level of control over their hot-heads - but then, this has been escalating with the entire life-cycle of Occupied Palestine marked by expansion, land-grabbing, prevention of any stable economic activity, and pressure by extremists who do not recognise any Palestinian rights - backed by policies of right-wing governments. It certainly doesn't suit right-wing hasbara narrative to recognise the reality - that there is increasingly strong Palestinian support for non-violent resistance.
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Tuesday January 3, 2017, 11:36 pm
Thanks, Evelyn, for rebuking so solidly the rather flimsy and white-wash "argument" of Stephen - there's nothing to add except that even the Egyptian military (and Egypt doesn't claim to be a moral democracy or democracy at all! ... but then ... Egypt doesn't occupy foreign territory either nor does it steal on regular basis foreign land ... nor does it maintain an Apartheid system ...) would step in if a case presents itself where the police is needed but not present - but especially when innocent civilians are harmed!! Even by-standing civilians do intervene in such cases as you, Evelyn, know from your own experience here.

I like your comparison with the events at DAPL. In general the situation of the Native Americans holds a 1:1 analogy to the situation of the Palestinians. In both cases white European colonialists come to a foreign piece of land; maim, murder and/or expel the inhabitants; steal their land and aquifers; put the indigenous in little reservations (or Bantustans); claim the lands as rightfully theirs and - most despicable of all! - claim to be a democracy, have the most moral army in the world and in general make everyone believe that they hold the moral high ground and are entitled to teach everyone else ... while this despicable colonialist policy continues unabated in both countries.

Now if everyone else would behave the way these two countries behave ... then good night to the world.
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Tuesday January 3, 2017, 11:42 pm

Another perfect example how justice looks in Israel and how the judicial system is used … or a willing tool/participant (?) in this so-called only democracy in the Middle East.

For those of you who want to sign this petition for Nael Barghouthi: One has to read this to believe it!

“Dean” of Palestinian prisoners denied release as Israeli prosecutor demands extended sentence


 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Tuesday January 3, 2017, 11:58 pm

Stephen - I almost read over this sentence in your last comment: "Unless fairness is deemed useful to the long-term large-scale protection of Israelis and of Israel, it is not their job to be fair in this way."

Other than the fact that there is no fairness whatsoever involved in occupying foreign territory and stealing foreign land ...

It's an interesting way of wording the IOF's rather active role in helping the Jewish extremists aggress innocent AND peaceful Palestinian civilians on almost daily basis ... other than what the IOF is doing when they "fairly" (?) bombard the hell out of them during their so-called "operations" ...

It's not really your niveau, Stephen - the long absence hasn't done you much good ;-).
 

Darren Woolsey (218)
Wednesday January 4, 2017, 12:13 am
Well, whilst people have *enjoyed* their break from the real world, the real world has continued.
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Wednesday January 4, 2017, 12:17 am
Right you are, Darren - one can't escape reality!

It seems to me that this is what the IOF is best at doing fairly
 

Darren Woolsey (218)
Wednesday January 4, 2017, 12:55 am
Thanks for this article, Eleonora. . . ALSO shared over social media to raise and spread awareness.

2017 has started where 2016 left off. . .
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Wednesday January 4, 2017, 1:37 am

Thanks a lot, Darren! I know I can always count on your help if it is for a good and just cause - you're such a great friend!! Some extra Green Stars : ************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************
 

Stephen Brian (23)
Wednesday January 4, 2017, 6:16 am
Hi Evelyn :)

There is a force mandated with upholding the law when settlers violate it. It's the Israeli police, not the Israeli army. There is a distinction between the to that I hoped you would grasp when I pointed out what would happen if the distinction didn't exist in France. I guess you didn't get it.

You just asked why the police are not typically present as a crime is being committed. Do the French police regularly hang around in dangerous areas watching specific people and waiting for a crime to occur, or, like most of the rest of the world including Israel, do they typically show up after the fact? It is extremely rare, anywhere, that police are present early enough to break up a fight. Why would you expect Israeli police to arrive so quickly? They do show up after the fact, like this time:
http://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Conflict/Israeli-police-arrest-four-Jewish-settlers-following-clashes-with-Palestinians-424923

De-escalation is key to peaceful coexistence. I doubt that many Israelis have much faith that policing settlers would actually lead to de-escalation. They simply no longer expect that sort of reciprocity from Palestinians, and with good reason. Look at what happened when they tried to de-escalate with Gaza and pulled out all the settlements. The rockets haven't stopped. All that said, I agree that the Israeli police should have a heavy presence in areas from which settler-violence originates.
 

Miss You All Dearly (67)
Wednesday January 4, 2017, 10:49 pm
and then you have this gem: https://www.rt.com/news/372690-netanyahu-pardon-israeli-soldier/
 

Darren Woolsey (218)
Thursday January 5, 2017, 12:02 am
Also shared over social media to raise and spread awareness.
 

Miss You All Dearly (67)
Thursday January 5, 2017, 12:58 am
First paragraph from the article "Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has joined the chorus of right wing Israelis calling on the Israeli president to pardon a soldier convicted of manslaughter after shooting dead an already neutralized Palestinian attacker last March."

Yes Stephen "Right Wing Politics" rules the day.........we are seeing it here in Australia as well.....and the ones that support it are the ones that will get crushed.....along with those that don't........it's a numbers game after all.....fool some of the people, etc
 

Evelyn B (63)
Thursday January 5, 2017, 7:43 am
Stephen
If they DON'T expect trouble, why are the IOF there????
Are the police not there because they KNOW that the ¨Palestinians often do NOT respond to the provocation????
You're being - either less logical or more fog-generating to hide facts than usual!

But at least you return to fairness at the end.
"All that said, I agree that the Israeli police should have a heavy presence in areas from which settler-violence originates."
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Thursday January 5, 2017, 1:27 pm
Stephen - as Evelyn said in her last comment .... are you less logical or more into obfuscating the subject ;-)?

To your comparison with the French police ... we have a saying in Switzerland: you're comparison limps so badly - even crotches can't make it walk. I believe you get the meaning ...

You CAN'T possibly compare a situation in ... say a French Banlieue (dangerous place) with a situation in an occupied territory with violent and extremist settlers ready to attack at any moment innocent civilians whose land they're occupying!! Or can you? Is this "Zionist logic" ... ;-)?
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Thursday January 5, 2017, 1:37 pm
My dear Ros - so good to see you back here!! It seems that the problem with C2 has been solved?!

I was about to post a link to an article relating to the soldier's conviction as an example of how the often cited "justice" works (NOT) when IOF soldiers (or settlers for that matter) break the law when I saw your link. Amazing that the Prime Minister himself and all his minions call for a pardon even before the verdict is out in writing or any appeal has been filed and denied.

But what is really shocking are the arguments one reads coming from Netanyahu himself! "“IDF soldiers are our sons and daughters and must remain above any controversy,” Netanyahu wrote in Hebrew on Facebook. “I support giving Sgt. Azaria a pardon.”"

So just because the IDF soldiers are someone's daughters or sons ... they get a carte blanche to do whatever they feel like?! In this case Sgt. Azaria, according to chief judge, Col. Maya Heller "felt the terrorist deserved to die,”!! Great - he feels that someone needs to die, therefore, he has the right to kill him/her?!

But knowing the "shoot-to-kill-policy" in place as well as the "confirmation-of-death-policy" one shouldn't be surprised at such thinking.

 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Thursday January 5, 2017, 1:41 pm

I also recommend to read this article regarding the verdict

I also would like to put in a correction to my previous posting: much to my surprise Avigdor Lieberman (of all) calls to respect the verdict!! So not all of Netanyahu's minions support the instant call for a pardon but only 99.8% ...
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Thursday January 5, 2017, 1:44 pm

After soldier's conviction, Israel acts against 'incitement'

Israeli authorities said on Thursday they were taking action to contain a backlash against military officials following the rare conviction of a soldier who killed an already badly wounded Palestinian assailant in the West Bank last year.

January 05, 2017

The case has deeply divided Israelis and also cast the government in a dispute with the Israeli military. A military court on Wednesday convicted Sgt. Elor Azaria of manslaughter charges in the March shooting, a verdict that could deliver up to 20 years in prison.

The proceedings have also sparked an unprecedented campaign of support for Azaria and against the military establishment, long the country's most admired body. In protests outside the courtroom, demonstrators chanted veiled death threats against military chief Lt. Gen. Gadi Eizenkot. The trial's three military judges and the lead prosecutor have also faced threats and according to Israeli media have been assigned bodyguards.

Israel's Attorney General Avichai Mandelblit said on Thursday he was launching a probe into the chants on suspicion that they amounted to incitement to violence. The protesters had chanted: "Gadi be careful, Rabin is looking for a friend" — a reference to slain Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin, who was assassinated by a Jewish extremist in 1995.

Police said on Thursday that they arrested an Israeli man for inciting on Facebook against military judges who convicted Azaria. Police spokeswoman Luba Samri said another Israeli woman was also questioned over Facebook posts. She said police will act against those inciting to violence against public officials.

~*~*~*~*~

Now ... if these were Muslims ... we wouldn't hear the end of the story! But as these are Jewish extremists doing the very same thing ... it's a different story.


 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Thursday January 5, 2017, 1:49 pm

Uuhhh - that's an embarrassing typo (my comment of Thursday January 5, 2017, 1:27 pm) ... It should naturally read that "even crutches can't make it walk"
 

Patrick Donovan (344)
Thursday January 5, 2017, 6:03 pm
A totally amoral person who wants power at whatever cost to human life. A war crimes tribunal needs to be set up for him.
 

Patrick Donovan (344)
Thursday January 5, 2017, 6:09 pm
Unfortunately for me spreading the word on other social websites, my only other one is FB. Being of a certain age, I have several friends who are camp survivors or children of survivors who are sincerely upset when I share articles such as this. Thank you letting there be a free discussion
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Friday January 6, 2017, 2:26 am
Patrick - I couldn't agree with you more; a war crimes tribunal would be of the essence and is more than overdue!

While I do fully understand your friends' feelings maybe they should recall the saying of Elie Wiesel which you have on your profile page:

"“We must always take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented.”


 

Evelyn B (63)
Friday January 6, 2017, 4:16 am
Thank goodness, there are camp survivors whose integrity allows them to recognise that repeating against others the kinds of human rights abuses they themselves, and family members have survived (or often, didn't) is not acceptable, not justified.

But I can empathise with you, Patrick, because the upset is genuine. Perhaps all the more painful because recognising that one's people are involved in such abuses goes against the grain; they WANT to keep their illusions about the rightness of this "Jewish State" and what it stands for in their dreams. Truth can be the most uncomfortable when one doesn't want to believe it. Does a real friend leave them to protect themselves by rejecting truth? By standing by, ready to support them if and when they find themselves HAVING to recognise that there ARE wrongs being done in their name? It's frustrating, & tough .... especially when one recognises their sincerity.

But slowly and surely, members of the Jewish community, in Israel & abroad, are finding themselves faced with policies & strategies that they find intolerable. And finding the courage (yes, it takes considerable courage) to stand up and so "NOT IN MY NAME"

Eleonora - I fear those may be Ros' last comments on Care2 :>(
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Friday January 6, 2017, 10:13 am
Well said, Evelyn - maybe Patrick's friends should get in touch with Jewish Voice for Peace who surely have come a long way too.

As for Ros - it is terrible to lose her but I can't blame her. I'm myself often at the brink of quitting and have considerably withdrawn from Care2. All these glitches (and they're increasing) and hiccups - which convert to a total waste of time - are increasingly difficult to take. I do hope though that she'll have a change of heart and at least pops in every know and then dropping one of her exceptional comments!!
 

Sheryl G (359)
Friday January 6, 2017, 5:17 pm
Eleonora "Second - it seems to me we're looking at a case of pure projection when the Christian politicians always claim that Islam wants to take over step by step the world and establish a world caliphate (not really knowing what caliphate truly means)."

Bingo - I'll recall reading somewhere a long time ago, that a "cheater" many times assumes that because they are cheating on their spouse that the spouse therefore must be cheating as well. Yes, projection.

Eleonora "In the end it boils down to what I'm saying since years: it's nothing but power hunger and greed of any of those "religious" people of any of the 3 religions and their books are just used as fig leaves."

I fully agree

Eleonora "Equally I'm advocating since years that the extremists of all three Abrahamic religions are birds of the same feather and that they should all be put on a remote and isolated island where they can sort out matters till the last man standing. Meantime, we normal people could live a normal life in a normal world ..."

Wouldn't that be nice - as John Lennon sang, "Imagine no religion"

It is a shame about Ros, and unfortunately she isn't the first one that I've enjoyed her company and also her friendship on here to lose on C2, mostly due to the constant glitches and techie issues. I also know that we've lost a lot of new members who would of been great additions to this site but without the years that some of us have invested, they just say so long quickly. How can C2 expect to grow if it keeps frustrating a membership with all of these ongoing and constant techie issues. Any site can have a problem once in a blue moon, but this site has been hampered with them for years now. Not fun and I"m getting too old in the tooth to want to jump through all these extra hurdles.

Netanyahu and a bunch of other leaders and others who may lead us to an earthly destruction are bullies in the playground. If they only had their fists it would be bad enough but they have so many weapons of destruction at their fingertips and the inability to even care about anything be it a river, a child, a hospital, the air we breathe seems nothing is off limits for destruction to them as long as they meet some goal that they have in their mind. Same old song and dance that we've seen in the past in history - seems humanity never learns how not to be in these situations.
 

Tin Ling L (0)
Thursday February 2, 2017, 3:49 am
thanks
 

Darren Woolsey (218)
Thursday February 2, 2017, 7:35 am
I think, with few exceptions, either ALL power-possessors need to grow up, or be replaced.
 

Evelyn B (63)
Thursday February 2, 2017, 8:49 am
Darren - I suspect that since politics became a career rather than a kind of 'vocation' - bringing with that shift the whole pay, promotion etc etc structures & expectations, relatively few humanly-motivated mature souls go in to politics ... other than at community level. "Growing up" isn't an option among those who see political power as their bread & butter ... :>(
 

Darren Woolsey (218)
Thursday February 2, 2017, 2:36 pm
Those led by egoism and vanity don't grow. . . their only goal or eye in, is on more power and the consolidation thereof, and the subsequent access to vast reserves of wealth.
 
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