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CREDO Action: Ask Eric Holder to Block Arizona's Racist Law

US Politics & Gov't  (tags: Arizona, immigrant rights, civil rights, federal intervention, Eric Holder, SB 1070, racial profiling, police harassment, Latinos, criminalizing undocumented immigrants, Fourth Amendment, Constitution, unreasonable govt search, seizure, Credo )

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Arizona law SB 1070 is greatest threat to US civil rights in a generation. It effectively mandates racial profiling & police harassment of Latinos. Even tho' it's 2010 not 1963, federal action necessary once again to protect civil rights in a state where


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Past Member (0)
Saturday May 1, 2010, 4:48 pm
Thanks PD signed, noted and will forward.

. (0)
Saturday May 1, 2010, 5:14 pm
Crime is not a race issue. It is also not a civil rights issue. If hate crimes are being committed by skinheads then police should be giving skinheads special attention. If terrorist attacks are being committed by bearded Arabs then police need to be giving bearded Arab men special attention. If crimes are being committed by illegal aliens that are primarily Hispanic then police need to be giving Hispanics special attention. A crime is a crime is a crime and police need to be targeting the group that is the most responsible for committing those crimes.

LucyKaleido ScopeEyes (82)
Saturday May 1, 2010, 6:08 pm
The assumption that illegal immigrants are criminals is part of the brainwashing that Americans have undergone. Latinos = illegals = criminals is the simplistic equation that some people have accepted. Just like the Muslims = terrorists. This is both very simplistic and extremely inaccurate, but it has been so successful that people are convinced of it and convinced that the police should pick up any Latinos whatsoever, without making the distinction between illegal, naturalized US citizen or green-card holder. If the police are investigating A particular crime, then they have to find a suspect; but in the absence of an investigation, people should not be constantly harrassed, partcularly on the basis of their belonging to a particular ethnic group. That IS racism.

Erin R (181)
Saturday May 1, 2010, 8:27 pm
Noted & signed! Thank you!

Mary Riley (987)
Saturday May 1, 2010, 8:57 pm
If the public would allow 30 seconds of real thought, they would realize how desperately we need these people! Thanks for circulating the petition.

Suruna WTF (38)
Saturday May 1, 2010, 11:14 pm
Hot Damn, Peasant DWM! You nailed it! Green Star and everything!

Bruce C D (89)
Saturday May 1, 2010, 11:43 pm
Thanks PD. There is also a link to a ACLU petition at:

This was my thoughts posted already there:
Rachael Maddow just had two shows that exposed FAIR (the group that basically wrote the legislation in Arizona) for the radical, fringe, racist organization that it is. The leader of that organization, Mr. Stein, was on her show and Rachel demonstrated how he had told several deliberate lies to cover up that fact. Don't be misled or confused: this is not a "mainstream" group, and the legislation in Arizona is not the kind of immigration reform that we need or that reflects on us well as a nation.

I hadn't noticed until later, but Marion Y. had already mentioned it. She supplies some links at the above site in the comments sections if anyone wants to investigate further.

Past Member (0)
Sunday May 2, 2010, 4:41 am
Noted. Thank you!

Eternal Gardener (734)
Sunday May 2, 2010, 4:44 am
Noted and signed! Goebbels introduced and used propaganda to its fullest with worldwide known consequences! Maybe the emphasis should be put on its origin by the user (American government), the connection might trigger some repentance.
I simply cannot condone Ralph Sutton's oversimplification of this issue though!.

Julie C (21)
Sunday May 2, 2010, 5:09 am
Signed and noted, thank you PDWM.


Amena Andersson (187)
Sunday May 2, 2010, 6:41 am
Noted and signed.

Marion Y (322)
Sunday May 2, 2010, 7:49 am
Thanks, Jill. I have gladly signed!

Naoko i (257)
Sunday May 2, 2010, 8:27 am
Glad that a non-US could sign. Thanks for the post. Noted.

Suzanna van der Voort (271)
Sunday May 2, 2010, 9:28 am
Noted and signed the letter, shared on facebook too and cross posted. Thanks David and PeasantDi

Suzanna van der Voort (271)
Sunday May 2, 2010, 9:37 am
@Bruce D. signed this one too and shared on facebook.

Shey is away for awhile (67)
Sunday May 2, 2010, 11:11 am
Signed and noted, how anyone could seriously take a look at this and honestly tell themselves that it's not a racist issue is beyond my comprehension! Peasant DWM, agree with Suruna, You nailed it! Hester, I totally agree!

LucyKaleido ScopeEyes (82)
Sunday May 2, 2010, 12:18 pm
From 'Democracy Now!' Headlines for April 30, 2010:

Protests, Lawsuits Challenge Arizona Immigration Law

Opposition to Arizona’s new immigration law is growing with ongoing protests and the first federal lawsuits seeking its reversal. The law forces police officers to determine the immigration status of anyone they suspect of being an undocumented immigrant. Opponents call it the harshest anti-immigrant measure in the country and a license for racial profiling. On Thursday, hundreds of people rallied against the law at a protest outside the state Capitol in Phoenix. The demonstrators included the veteran labor activist Dolores Huerta and the pop musician Shakira. Huerta said the law is galvanizing the immigrant rights movement.

Dolores Huerta:“I think this is an opportunity for all of us here to get in engaged and change the policy of the state of Arizona. We can not let the state continue to be the black sheep of all the states of the United States of America, which continues to pass laws that are racist.”

Another protest was held in Chicago, where dozens of people rallied outside a Major League Baseball game featuring the visiting Arizona Diamondbacks. A small plane displaying a banner criticizing the immigration law circled above the stadium. Back in Arizona, fifteen-year Tuscon police veteran Martin Escobar filed suit against the law, saying it would impede investigations and violate constitutional rights. Escobar’s suit was followed by a separate challenge from the National Coalition of Latino Clergy and Christian Leaders. The group is seeking an injunction preventing the law’s enforcement. Thomas Saenz of the Mexican American Legal Defense and Educational Fund said his group will also file suit.

Thomas Saenz: “A lawsuit will be filed in federal court in a time to ensure that the law will never be able to be implemented, based on what the implementation date ends up being, 90 days from when the legislature session closes. We will go to court, file a complaint seeking to enjoin the law from ever being implemented.”

The sheriff for Arizona’s Pima County meanwhile has announced he’ll refuse to enforce the new law. Sheriff Clarence Dupnik called the law “disgusting”, “racist”, and “stupid."

I would also like to point to this tragic, though unfortunately not isolated occurance, as a direct consequence of the spreading of xenophobic, anti-immigration, anti-Hispanic, anti-Latino & RACIST rhetoric & inflammatory hate speech from the nativist, white supremacist, neofascist fringe to 'mainstream' America: Manslaughter Conviction For Long Island Teen, Acquitted of Hate Crime Murder in Fatal Stabbing of Ecuadorean Marcelo Lucero: Lucero, 37, who is survived by his brother, sister & mother all of whom are Long Island residents, was assaulted by gang of 7 out hunting for Latinos to beat up, aka 'Mexican hopping'; only 1 was tried. The case has shed negative light on the Suffolk County Police Dept, who only now have begun to be openly criticized for failing to have investigated Latino assault complaints, before this one ended in a working man's death; county leaders & politicians have their part of responsibility for inflammatory speech which has fueled anti-immigrant hostility.

Carolyn Y (0)
Sunday May 2, 2010, 12:21 pm

Edward H (45)
Sunday May 2, 2010, 12:35 pm
Since when is being illegal a racist issue? Let's suppose a green man broke into your house. If there was a suspicious acting green man that was pulled over by the police not far from your house and his behavior warranted further investigation this would be racist? The police should look for a white man, red man, pink man, blue man, black man, or any other color or it might be racist? Get with the program people...this isn't a race issue except to you. By the way, how many of you read the law? How many of you read the Federal law that this law mirrors? How many of you think it is ok for people to break into your home and steal? That is what the ILLEGAL foreigners, (not immigrants), are doing...but doing it to the community...the country...

Terry B (649)
Sunday May 2, 2010, 12:40 pm
The bill is totally bogus. The punishment for the greedy employers is insignificant. A hefty fine would slow things down and a few weeks in the pokey for the hiring bosses would bring the whole thing to a screeching halt. No jobs, no illegal immigants.

In Ontario you never find kids in bars because the bar gets in trouble, not the kids. Restrict and fine the businesses and the illegals (kids in one case, immigrants in the other) will diappear. Even the dopes in Arizona should understand that (Reaganomics 101). Thw cops can get on with important business, nobody gets harassed, enforcement costs go down, taxes go down, and the illegals leave. What problem?

These clowns are the same ones yapping about "big government" and they want the cops to have the power of untimate intrusion on their "freedom" according to whether some government doofus thinks your mustache needs a trim?

In addition by targeting the employers rather than random brown-skinned members of the public, you will also eliminate white and Asian illegals as well since there is no "racial profiling" of subjective guesswork.

Shey is away for awhile (67)
Sunday May 2, 2010, 1:24 pm
Excellent point Terry! That's where the main problem is! Greedy business owners who want cheap labor! It's unfair to people here who need jobs and it's not fair to the illegals who are working in sub-standard conditions for a ridiculously low wage. I would suggest that draconian laws be put into effect so that no employer would hire an illegal for fear of such harsh a penalty and that documentation be required when citizens are applying for work, renting or buying real estate, going to get their drivers license, going for health care, etc.. It's not right to profile an entire population of people because some of it's members have broken the law.
Edward, yes, it's terrible that Mexican's are breaking into the house that we stole from them, what chutzpah!

Karen Foster (0)
Sunday May 2, 2010, 1:28 pm
thank you governor brewer for having the balls to do something about illegal immigration! we need action! people don't understand how much government wastes money on supporting illegal immigratants, race and rights have nothing to do with it. we as citizens and taxpayers should have the right to be protected! let them come in the country legally, we have no problem with that. cheap labor is not a issue, after a illegal gets all his benifits, he is working for $20-$30 an hour. stop the government waste on billingual teachers, materials, signs ect this is america we speak english as our 1st language if people want to come here, learn it, adapt to us why should we have to adapt to them. drivers liscences should only be given out in english! this way they can read our signs, laws and prevent what they call racial profiling. i am white, i speak english, i am legal, i pay taxes,i can vote, i do not suck the system dry, i work. they need to make it mandatory that people take a urine/drug test and providecitizenship before accepting any government aide! the problems of this country are vast, we need stricter laws to protect law abiding citizens!

Carmen S (69)
Sunday May 2, 2010, 6:48 pm
As usual we are attacking the wrong people.
1. Put the owners of companies that hire illegals and fine them also. No jobs no illegals.
2. Put the people in jail who BUY the drugs. No buyers, no drug dealers.

This would solve all the problems. Incidently if this were to happen, watch our prices of food going up three-fold.
Watch some companies going out of business.
Then we will all be so happy. Ha----------------------

. (0)
Sunday May 2, 2010, 7:34 pm
Peasantdiva, you are completely wrong about this being racist. What you fail to understand is that Hispanics/Latinos are not a race; they are an ethnic group that can be and are part of nearly all races, whether the race is brown, black or yes even white. People wanting to make the racist claim are showing their ignorance and think that it is an attack on brown skinned Mexicans. Even though the vast majority of illegal aliens are from Mexico they are far from being the only illegal immigrants flooding the US. As for them not being criminals; when they cross the border without proper entry papers and permits, they commit their first crime. The next crime most of them commit is identity theft. Until you have lived in the shoes of Arizonians who suffer from the crimes being committed by the illegal immigrants you cannot possibly know their fear for their safety. A rancher that was shot and killed, border patrol agents being shot and just a couple of days ago a deputy sheriff was shot; all of these violent attacks have been committed by illegal aliens. Arizona has an estimated 400,000 illegal criminals committing every imaginable crime from simple break-ins to murder.

With unemployment for the entire nation running at near 10% we certainly do NOT need these people. What we need is to get rid of them to open up jobs for citizens and LEGAL immigrants. Illegal aliens place a substantial financial burden on our educational, medical, social and legal systems.

You are absolutely right Terry B. Employers that hire illegal aliens need to be dealt with harshly. Employers who hire them and pay them substandard wages should be dealt with extremely harshly. Again, Hispanics are an ethnic group, NOT a race and therefore the law as it reads is NOT racist because it does not say to question the immigration status of brown skinned suspects who have run ins with police.

One point I would like to clarify that Karen F. made is that products should be allowed to be packaged with bilingual messages for the simple reason that it is less expensive for the manufacturer to package their product in a single container that can be used for domestic consumption and export. Everything else should be banned.

If you want to know what profiling Arizona law enforcement will be using; think about someone that cannot speak coherent English. A brown skinned obvious Hispanic that speaks coherent English is going to be ignored by police, unless that individual is a suspect in a criminal investigation because police value their time and do not waste it.

Tom W (24)
Sunday May 2, 2010, 8:14 pm
This petition is nothing but anti-American socialist propaganda and no one of worth should entertain it.

Illegal Aliens flout our laws with impunity and Arizona is doing what the federal government failed to do, protect its citizens.

michael o'leary (0)
Sunday May 2, 2010, 9:18 pm
every state should follow what arizona is doing only they should make it more severe and to the point. if the aclu interferes then shut them down.and anyone who thinks that we should just give amnesty to illegals is a poor excuse for an american and they ought to leave the country right away. people who see nothing wrong with giving amnesty to the illegals don't care how far down the ladder we go. there are a number of things that need to be done to get the united states back in working order and getting the illegals out is one of the things that should have been done long ago.we need to enforce the laws against illegals the same way mexico enforces their laws against illegals.the federal government makes it obvious that it is far too uncaring about doing anything at all to really care what the majority of americans want done.

Bruce C D (89)
Sunday May 2, 2010, 9:38 pm
@Karen F.--
I'm not sure where you've gotten some of these wrong ideas, but your response indicates a xenophobic mentality.

First of all, rights do have something to do with it, because innocent American citizens can be detained for no other reason than because they "look" like or are arbitrarily suspected of being illegal immigrants. I'm sure you would feel quite differently about rights if it was your rights and you being wrongly detained. Hispanics who live here legally and have just as much command of the English language as you or I may unfairly be made the victims of racial profiling, harrassment, and unjust persecution under the Arizona law. They are Americans and it would be unconstitutional to treat them differently than any other Americans. You do believe in our Constitution, don't you?

Unauthorized immigrants represent 4% of the nation's population, but 5.4% of our workforce, contradicting your insinuation about sucking the system dry. Illegal immigrants contribute significantly to social security taxes in this country, but will never collect a dime of that money. Many may pay federal and state taxes, as well as state and local sales as well as other taxes and fees. Their children (of which 73% are U.S. citizens by birth, anyway) may attend elementary and high school. While undocumented immigrants receive far less government benefits than do citizens, their median income is far below that national average. What this means is that (if one ignores the considerable economic benefits derived from cheap labor and an expanded consumer base) in the short term, government outlays for them may exceed the revenues it collects from them. This is partly due to some getting paid under the table. However, it is calculated that this trend is reversed in the long term, with illegal immigrants and their descendents contributing more to the government than they have received.

Karen, if you care about children, you should care about what happens to those American children of illegal immigrants were they to be subjected to the thoughtless, uncaring, draconian immigration policies you seem to favor. You might say that their parents broke the law, but no civilized society inflicts penalties upon children for their parent's crimes.

As for language, every major foreign-speaking immigrant group that has arrived in this melting pot we call America (that derives strength from its diversity) has taken time to assimilate. Many of those immigrant groups were subjected to the same kind of ignorant prejudices you display. It's possible your anscestors that immigrated to this country had to face the same kinds of discrimination. The trouble is that many Americans are now a few generations removed from those harsh lessons and have forgotten their humble beginnings. Moreover, multi-lingual societies are common in most of the rest of the world and should be embraced for the benefits it brings instead of needlessly being feared.

While there is indeed a problem with crime among some undocumented immigrants, the vast majority are hard working and otherwise law abiding, and it is racist to stereotype.

Yes, intelligent and humane immigration reform is needed. The problem boils down to a severe lack of economic opportunity in the immigrant's home countries and U.S. employers need to fill low-paying jobs that native workers will not accept, combined with a U.S. immigration policy that unduly constrains legal immigration and work visas.

A couple of other things you might want to think about: Many Hispanics are part Native American. Seen in a different light, it is you who may be the usurper, and they who have the most right to live here. Furthermore, the U.S-Mexican war was immoral; a war of aggression that ignored treaties and international law and one that resulted from an expansionist policy partly based on the South's desire to protect slavery. If you're feeling so righteous and dedicated to the rule of law, maybe you would care to cede back Texas, California, Arizona, New Mexico, Nevada, Utah, half of Colorado, and part of Wyoming to Mexico.

Nancy L (141)
Sunday May 2, 2010, 10:41 pm
Enforce the laws we already have. Governor Brewer did the right thing and several states are about to follow.

Coming across the border illegally or overstaying a Visa is illegal. That means it is a criminal act. This has nothing to do with racism, xenephobia or profiling.

Nancy L (141)
Sunday May 2, 2010, 10:48 pm
If they don't like what is happening in their countries they need to fight for change there.

Follow our laws or stay out.

Bruce C D (89)
Sunday May 2, 2010, 10:50 pm
@Ralph Sutton;
I think you're engaging in semantics in your quibble about defining racism. Regardless, you're mistaken on two counts.

First, however you want to define it, the Arizona law and some of the attitudes being expressed are just plain wrong.

Secondly, according to UN conventions, there is no difference between racial discrimination and ethnic discrimination. A prime example to disabuse you of your misconception on this is the misnomer of anti-Semitism, which typically refers to racism against Jewish people. Well, Judaism is actually a relegion, although Jews are also considered an ethnic group comprised of different races and types. The reason I called the term a misnomer is because Arabs and others also belong to the Semitic race of people, while not all Jews are Semitic; thus it would be absurd and nonsensical to accuse an Arab of being anti-Semitic. However, a Jew might still be accused of being racist against Arabs, or an Arab accused of being racist against Jews, even though they may share the same race.

Nancy L (141)
Sunday May 2, 2010, 10:58 pm
Who cares what the UN says? The UN needs to keep thier nose out of our business.

We need to impose harsh penalties on employers who hire illegal aliens and if they continue to hire them they should lose their business license.

Past Member (0)
Sunday May 2, 2010, 11:30 pm
NE L.I agree with you 100%,Governer Brewer did the right thing,A huge majority of Arizonian approved of the bill.I live in AZ and this bill already exist but not being enforced.This is protecting the citizens of United States,.Everybody is blowing it out of proportion,spreading fear and nonsense about a police state.Governor Brewer made it clear,if you have half a brain.racial profiling will not be tolerated.If you don't like the new laws implemented,get the hell out or move back to Russia,Ukraine,where-ever the hell you came from.I'm the only true American here A full blood American Indian.

Bruce C D (89)
Sunday May 2, 2010, 11:40 pm
@NE L--
Your comments are stunningly simple-minded. If only things were that easy; that they could just create jobs in their birth countries to feed themselves and their families. Why do you think they endure incredible hardships just for a chance to make a living here?

"Follow our laws or stay out" ???? Now, that is just irrational. Did you even stop to think that if they followed the law, they couldn't come, anyway? What about American criminals, they should be deported, too? I know Great Britain used to ship its problems to Australia, but most civilized societies have grown way beyond that kind of thinking! I know you weren't joking, but I could just picture Colbert using that quote to devastating effect...

The way I see it, the undocumented worker just trying to provide for their family is much less of a criminal than the citizen driving drunk through a school zone. For some others, that worker's minor transgression borne of desperation is apparently elevated to the vilest of crimes and vilified as the most dangerous of enemies.

I hate to inform you, but, yes, it does have to do with racism, and xenophobia, and profiling, and bigotry, and exploitation, and callousness, and being uninformed or misinformed. If it had anything to do with common sense, why are the governors of Arizona's neighboring border states (two of which are Republicans) be condemning and rejecting this legislation? Why is Arizona's law enforcement community opposed to it?

Carol Orton (20)
Monday May 3, 2010, 1:33 am
Have signed

Yulan Lawson (156)
Monday May 3, 2010, 2:18 am
Noted and signed. I'm a bit embarrassed being a human being.

Bob E (113)
Monday May 3, 2010, 4:18 am
I am not be in favor of Arizona’s law… however…
The present laws were not working…
The federal government is doing NOTHING...
The present lack of laws were allowing more and more illegals here…
This also included drug traffickers, smugglers and criminals…
Those of you against the law are really saying all is well…
Those of you against the law are for the status quo…

I hope that Arizona sparks interest into a federal solution for illegal immigrants…
They are ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS no matter what you say…

I think we need to do the following as quickly as possible…

ID cards for those already here…
Work allowed only for those with ID cards...
Severe penalties for companies hiring without a card (loss of license)
Guest worker program… (guest worker ID)
Path to citizenship for those WITHOUT criminal history…
Path: pay taxes, pay penalty, learn English…
Path faster for those who learn English...
After citizenship… 20 year waiting period for bringing in relatives…
(15 million illegals should NOT be given same status as legal immigrants)
Deportation of illegals with criminal history after prison… No citizenship…

America should allow and welcome these illegals but have rules and laws…
Illegals should help American society... not overrun it…
Now... let’s do this… The problem is only getting worse...

LucyKaleido ScopeEyes (82)
Monday May 3, 2010, 5:54 am
I have been neglectful in not indicating the other petitions to sign; the reason is that the posts had already got to Front Page, before I found this Credo action. I'd already signed the petition posted on C2 by Daf: Take Action- What Happens in Arizona Stops in Arizona. So, Kudos to Suzanna van der Voort for leaving the URL for this ACLU petition. And still more kudos & a shower of green stars for sharing on facebook, too, and cross posting!

There's also: Boycott Arizona!: We can vote with our dollars! Boycott the State of Arizona by vowing not to spend your vacation dollars in that state, whether that be by not engaging in tourism in Arizona, by not doing business within the state, or by not buying anything that comes from Arizona, (paying specific attention to corporations and businesses that support these mean spirited laws like SB1070, as well as, those supporting the likes of Sherrif Joe Arpaio and Senator Russell Pearce) until such a time that this law is overturned or ruled unconstitutional.

Shey, I like your comments, particularly this one: "Edward, yes, it's terrible that Mexican's are breaking into the house that we stole from them, what chutzpah!" TY for the 'chutzpah,' a much-love word from my NY adolescence.

Ralph, you've not read me right: I DID say that Latinos were an ethnic group; Latin Americans are not nor do I consider them a separate race --but that does not prevent the word 'racist' from being appropriately used in qualifying the hate talk, propaganda, hate crimes, laws, persecution or racial profiling that targets them as an ethnic group. Curiously, the nativist, white supremacist, radical religious right groups that attack Latinos verbally and/or physically DO consider them a race; but that's really beside the point.

Thanks for your well-reasoned comments, Bruce, but I think that we should keep & not quibble over the word 'anti-Semitic,' since, whatever it's illogic or erroneous basis, we all know that it refers to anti-Jewish sentiment, views and/or actions.

When you've gangs of US teenagers whose evening entertainment is going out hunting for Latinos to beat up, aka 'Mexican hopping' or 'beaner hopping,' taen 'racism' and 'racist' come to mind immediately. Perhaps you'd like 'xenophobic' better, Ralph Sutton, but 'racist' is OK with me. I wish you'd be as much a stickler for human & civil rights as you are for terminology.

On another thread, a member named Judy Brownstein said she'd thought of "wearing a yellow star in solidarity" -- but quickly added that Arizona is also very anti-semitic! Well, there's another reason for boycotting Arizona; they really seem to deserve it!

I think wearing yellow stars is a great idea anyway: we should have Yellow Stars made up with, instead of the word, 'Juden,' the words 'Arizona Racial Profiling' or 'Arizona Racism' or just 'Latino' -- anything to the point: Any suggestions?? We should be wearing them NATIONWIDE !!

I am against criminalizing economic refugees. There is just no way that I can consider economic refugees as 'criminals' because they have entered the US unlawfully. If they subsequently break laws, committing theft (and I do not mean a can a tuna fish, either), dealing drugs, belonging to violent gangs, assaulting people or commiting murders : that's a different story & they'll be prosecuted, so much the better. But simply trying to find a better life for themselves by crossing the US border is not a criminal activity, in my view.

I am against sygmatizing and stereotyping ethnic and/or racial groups. I recently had a brief exchange with a C2 member who was virulently anti-Latino, like you associating them with crime & drug-related violence.
At one point, he cooled down his rhetoric, like a well-learned lesson a kid recites by heart, and candidly admitted it was ironic for him to be complaining about Latino crime, when he himself belonged to an ethnic group 'well known' for crime. Well, this person was stigmatizing HIMSELF for being of Italian descent, associating himself with the Mafia !! But why didn't he associate his group with music, with world-renowned Italian opera? Puccini, Verdi, Donizetti ? Is this what America does to people?

The Mexicans have a wonderful cultural and musical heritage. Why don't we listen and find out about that?
Have you ever heard of Mexico's legentary singer, Chavela Vargas? For her 90th birthday, an amazing duo, mythical Spanish singer, Concha Buika (born of African immigrant parents) & Cuban 'great' Chucho Valdes (at the piano & arrangements) have come out with a tribute album that is just beautiful, El Ultimo Trago.

With a steady hate diet about Mexican criminality, drug cartels, illegals, etc etc, one could forget that this is a culture & a people with beautiful things that can enhance our lives and souls.

Shey is away for awhile (67)
Monday May 3, 2010, 6:41 am
Thanks for posting the petitions Diva, I thought I'd signed them all but somehow the boycott petition slipped through, glad you bought it to my attention. My grandparents primary language was Yiddish. I wish I'd have learned more from them but they died when I was fairly young. I know a bissel, such a fun language! Wish I could take a class or something:-)

Bruce, you made many excellent points! I'm a fan!

Nancy L (141)
Monday May 3, 2010, 7:19 am
Dear Editor:
So many letter writers have based their arguments on how this land is made up of immigrants. Ernie Lujan for one, suggests we should tear down the Statue of Liberty because the people now in question aren't being treated the same as those who passed through Ellis Island and other ports of entry.

Maybe we should turn to our history books and point out to people like Mr. Lujan why today's American is not willing to accept this new kind of immigrant any longer. Back in 1900 when there was a rush from all areas of Europe to come to the United States, people had to get off a ship and stand in a long line in New York and be documented. Some would even get down on their hands and knees and kiss the ground. They made a pledge to uphold the laws and support their new country in good and bad times. They made learning English a primary rule in their new American households and some even changed their names to blend in with their new home.

They had waved good bye to their birth place to give their children a new life and did everything in their power to help their children assimilate into one culture. Nothing was handed to them. No free lunches, no welfare, no labor laws to protect them. All they had were the skills and craftsmanship they had brought with them to trade for a future of prosperity.

Most of their children came of age when World War II broke out. My father fought along side men whose parents had come straight over from Germany , Italy , France and Japan . None of these 1st generation Americans ever gave any thought about what country their parents had come from. They were Americans fighting Hitler, Mussolini and the Emperor of Japan . They were defending the United States of America as one people.

When we liberated France , no one in those villages were looking for the French-American or the German American or the Irish American. The people of France saw only Americans. And we carried one flag that represented one country. Not one of those immigrant sons would have thought about picking up another country's flag and waving it to represent who they were. It would have been a disgrace to their parents who had sacrificed so much to be here. These immigrants truly knew what it meant to be an American. They stirred the melting pot into one red, white and blue bowl.

And here we are with a new kind of immigrant who wants the same rights and privileges. Only they want to achieve it by playing with a different set of rules, one that includes the
entitlement card and a guarantee of being faithful to their mother country. I'm sorry, that's not what being an American is all about. I believe that the immigrants who landed on Ellis Island in the early 1900's deserve better than that for all the toil, hard work and sacrifice in raising future generations to create a land that has become a beacon for those legally searching for a better life. I think they would be appalled that they are being used as an example by those waving foreign country flags.

And for that suggestion about taking down the Statue of Liberty , it happens to mean a lot to the citizens who are voting on the immigration bill. I wouldn't start talking about dismantling the United States just yet.
Rose mary LaBonte

Mary Alexander (23)
Monday May 3, 2010, 8:01 am
If you do not come here properly no matter who you are you are here against the law. you are an ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT. Without papers you need to go back home. The country they came from would place us in jail for not coming into their country properly. Why would we not do the same thing? Come on people stop giving our country away to those that do not respect us. If the really did they would do the right thing.

DC B (269)
Monday May 3, 2010, 9:12 am
How about having immigration law like that of Mexico!

"Illegal entry into the country is equivalent to a felony punishable by two years' imprisonment. Re-entry, after deportation is punishable by ten years' imprisonment. Law enforcement officials at all levels, by national mandate, must cooperate to enforce immigration laws, including illegal alien arrests and deportations. [7]. "In cases of flagrante delicto, any person may arrest the offender and his accomplices, turning them over without delay to the nearest authorities.", Article 16 of the constitution of Mexico, also known as a "citizens arrest".

Edward H (45)
Monday May 3, 2010, 1:39 pm
Shey C Sunday May 2, 2010, 1:24 pm

"Edward, yes, it's terrible that Mexican's are breaking into the house that we stole from them, what chutzpah! "
It's called war, they lost, we won. We also paid money which shouldn't have been done. Get over it.

Bruce D Sunday May 2, 2010, 10:50 pm

"Secondly, according to UN conventions, there is no difference between racial discrimination and ethnic discrimination."
The US does not answer to the UN, the US answers to the people and the US Constitution. I personally, will never answer to the UN. Any organization that puts China and/or Iran in charge of human rights and/or women's rights has their heads up their butts.

Bruce D Sunday May 2, 2010, 11:40 pm

"If it had anything to do with common sense, why are the governors of Arizona's neighboring border states (two of which are Republicans) be condemning and rejecting this legislation?"
...because people have differences of opinion...

"Why is Arizona's law enforcement community opposed to it?"
A beautiful all encompassing statement that isn't true. SOME, in fact VERY FEW of the law enforcement community are opposed to it. They have every right to be opposed to it and do not have to enforce it. All they have to do is QUIT. Law enforcement does not get to pick and choose what laws they want to enforce.

Carrie B (306)
Monday May 3, 2010, 1:56 pm
Signed and noted.

Nancy L (141)
Monday May 3, 2010, 2:15 pm
Well Bruce, I hate to inform you that you are wrong.

Dennis F (1)
Monday May 3, 2010, 3:16 pm
Everyone knows that most illegals are not criminals - but that does not stop the responsibility of the U.S. government to control our borders. The "coyotes" that murdered the rancher on his own land - while he was going to attend to the needs of the average illegal aliens - giving them water - was not murdered by a wonderful person here to make America a better place.
Common sense needs to be used - I would encourage everyone to lock their doors and windows of their houses to protect themselves - the same is true for our border! We have also heard many times that there is a group of people going through the Mexican borders that are O-T-M - Other Than Mexican. Threats to our people will go through any border they choose to kill our people and destroy our country.
I have envisioned the borders for years to be "swinging doors" which should have a guard on both sides - checking i.d. , why the person states they are coming into the country, how long they intend to stay, checking for any major health risks (communicable diseases that have serious consequences) - the basics!
I also envision helping Mexico to improve their own land - they have beautiful real estate, where they should be able to live happily - and we should feel comfortable visiting Mexico (which I don't).

Monday May 3, 2010, 3:50 pm
It is not a racial law because it is not a racial problem in the first place.
If it was happening in Montana, at the Canadian border, no one could describe it as a racist would be correctly described as a crackdown on an immigration law.

It is not because AZ doesn't like people from Mexico or anywhere else. It is just that AZ needs help enforcing immigration laws to make sure everyone is here LEGALLY! We're being robbed of good jobs and services because the state budget is broken. We're supporting over 460,000 illegals!
Anyone who thinks this law is racist, is probably a racist themselves....or they wouldn't automatically label it as such.
We are not against immigrants. Immigrants are wonderful and enrich our country and our state. We are against criminals and anyone here illegally is breaking the law and is therefore a criminal.

Monday May 3, 2010, 3:57 pm
I think we could put this whole debate to rest if we just adopt the same immigration laws that Mexico has:

What we need is immigration law like that of Mexico!
For exerpts from the following link, see below:

"Illegal entry into the country is equivalent to a felony punishable by two years' imprisonment. Re-entry, after deportation is punishable by ten years' imprisonment. Law enforcement officials at all levels, by national mandate, must cooperate to enforce immigration laws, including illegal alien arrests and deportations. [7]. "In cases of flagrante delicto, any person may arrest the offender and his accomplices, turning them over without delay to the nearest authorities.", Article 16 of the constitution of Mexico, also known as a "citizens arrest".

and get a load of this:
"Illegal immigration has been a problem for Mexico, especially since the 1970's. In 2006 Mexico detained more than 182,000 people who entered the country illegally, mainly from nearby Guatemala, Honduras, El Salvador, all being Central-American countries neighboring Mexico to the south. Smaller numbers of illegal immigrants come from Ecuador, Cuba, China, South Africa, and Pakistan."
I guess you can't call it racial profiling when Mexican people deport Latino people or Pakistanis or Chinese etc! Sounds like the Mexican immigration laws are tougher than ours and that even private citizens can enforce them!
And Americans have a problem with the police being able to enforce it here!
Wake up and smell the coffee!!! Time to get realistic!

Monday May 3, 2010, 4:33 pm
Dennis...some stats for you
In reality, as Gov. Brewer has said--a staggering 87 PERCENT of all illegals apprehended in AZ have criminal records. And they average 13 OFFENSES per illegal. They are overcrowding state and federal prisons and pushing police depts. nationwide beyond their capabilities.

Matloob ul Hasan (81)
Monday May 3, 2010, 5:32 pm
Noted, thanks.

Dennis F (1)
Monday May 3, 2010, 5:44 pm
I don't agree with the "racial profiling" complaints - when you are dealing with criminals, you must not turn your brains off - if someone looks like a likely terrorist threat - you need to take that fact into consideration - and not become so numb that you ignore the facts because "you don't want to profile".
Think about this - do you think Mexico looks at whether a immigrant to their country fits a certain profile? Of course they do! If someone robs you, you report to the police a profile of the person who robbed you - of course, your brain should be turned on - perhaps the person is using props to make them appear to be of a different race or profile than they really are -
The bottom line is that we need to encourage people to enter our country legally - and not illegally. The process should be made as efficient as possible, so people don't have to wait unnecessarily long to become U.S citizens - but the illegal immigration must be stopped - U.S. citizens have a right to live in peace on their own land near the borders, and not risk death on a daily basis to go out and attend to the needs of illegal immigrants, who are being smuggled across by criminals who have no concern for the welfare of the illegals they are transporting, and think nothing of killing pet dogs, and rural property owners, who "get in their way".

Beth P (32)
Monday May 3, 2010, 7:08 pm
Well, this certainly stirred up a hornet's nest !

Signed and noted.

. (0)
Monday May 3, 2010, 9:16 pm
@Bruce D.
The 4%, based on the “official” estimate of 12 million makes it even worse when you consider 27% of those incarcerated in the U.S. justice system are illegal aliens. You don’t end up in prison for just trying to support your family; you end up in prison because you have been found guilty of committing a FELONY! As for the UN, well I have to agree with NE L because the UN isn’t known for caring about people or it would be putting more effort into improving conditions in the third world so the illegal aliens in this country wouldn’t need to, in some cases, travel thousands of miles to become criminals.

“"Follow our laws or stay out" ???? Now, that is just irrational. Did you even stop to think that if they followed the law, they couldn't come, anyway?” Not exactly, because if they followed the law they may have been able to come LEGALLY. The remainder of the paragraph this quote is taken from is too irrational and scatterbrained to even attempt to respond too.

Yeah, the drunk driver might injure or kill someone by accident, but the poor illegal invader that breaks into someone’s home to steal what does not belong to him is just providing for his family. Remember 4% of the population is committing 27% of the crime, crimes you go to prison for.

Chris Weaver (0)
Monday May 3, 2010, 9:20 pm
Signed and noted.
The pro SB1070 posters seem not to address the problem of people being told "show me your papers" for simply "looking" like an illegal alien(as opposed to actually being one), with all the harassment that entails. I certainly hope that they are not suggesting that since sneaking across the border is illegal, then any means used in response is therefore justified.

Sherry H (67)
Monday May 3, 2010, 9:37 pm
Right, and right again, Dennis.

LucyKaleido ScopeEyes (82)
Monday May 3, 2010, 11:51 pm
Why do so many Mexicans, Salvadorans and Guatemalans enter the U.S. by the most dangerous and expensive route possible? Just imagine yourself in their shoes: You leave your family and neighborhood to make a dangerous trip, including a difficult trek for three nights across barren deserts, pay as much as $7,000 person to put yourself in the hands of an unofficial guide of questionable character. On the way, you are prey to exploitation, robbery and especially if you are a woman, to rape. Then you arrive to live in crowded apartments, hopefully with some family members or people you know, but under constant fear of arrest and deportation. If you’re lucky, you get the brass ring you’ve been reaching for: casual work cleaning homes, gardening or working odd jobs in construction for $8 to $10 an hour. If you’re unlucky, you might stand on street corners for hours waiting without work, vulnerable to the temptations of drugs and alcohol to numb despair.

Sound like a bargain? Now, consider that, in spite of this, you decide scrape together another $7,000 to bring the next family member. How can this make any sense? It does if you take a close look at what has happened to the economies and social fabric of the countries below the U.S. border. Most U.S. citizens have little idea of the devastation wrought by NAFTA in Mexico and by the murderous civil wars that Reagan Administration funded and supported during the 1980s has done to El Salvador and Guatemala.

This is the reality that none of the opponents of this “illegal” immigration want to face. And it is a reality that even the advocates of change have not fully articulated. In essence, the neoliberal economic policies of the so-called Washington consensus, including NAFTA, have plunged Mexico into an economic crisis in the countryside. More than 2 million agricultural workers have been forced off their land and have moved into urban areas that can’t absorb them. The undocumented workers from El Salvador and Guatemala, the two other main sources of migration into the U.S., are fleeing dysfunctional and oppressive social and economic systems maintained by U.S. military power and funding since Ronald Reagan and CIA director William Casey turned these small countries into demonstration projects for Cold War power. As a result of these interventions, the U.S. has blocked democratic social change in these countries, sustained the exploitative legacy of the conquista and kept the concentration of wealth and power in the hands of rich, uncontrolled oligarchies.

In other words, Arizona is facing “blowback,” the natural consequences of failed U.S. policies trumpeted by the Arizona-style conservatives. These undocumented workers are economic refugees fleeing from broken economic systems — and they have every right to work here to earn the living that they cannot earn in their home countries. It’s a form of economic reparations. And the situation would be considered ironic if it wasn’t so tragic: The more the economic policies fail, the more the poor of these countries are impoverished and the more they seek to survive in el Norte, the more the supposedly anti-government, free-market fundamentalists want to put the government squarely on the backs of and into the lives of individuals through increasingly repressive measures.

It isn’t just some kooky left-wing thinking to blame Washington’s policies for a large part of the problem. This is widely known among the academic researchers. I spoke with Marc Rosenblum and Miryam Hazan, two staff policy analysts at the Migration Policy Institute in Washington, D.C. who have studied the issues. “NAFTA has supported a low-wage development model, and with Mexico’s implementation, you haven’t seen integrated development,” Rosenblum said. “Almost everybody will agree it has increased migration.”

The basic problem is that Mexican tariffs were lowered under NAFTA so that inexpensive corn and other agricultural products from U.S. agribusiness flooded Mexico and drove out up to 2.3 million small and medium-sized farmers. The idea was that they would move to the cities and provide the labor for new, more advanced industries to export. As Hazan describes it, the idea was to “modernize” the Mexican countryside.

The only problem is that such a plan depended on Mexico’s GDP growing at 6 percent to 7 percent — almost two-thirds of the rate of China’s growth. In fact, Mexico’s growth has stagnated under NAFTA at half the expected rate. Besides, it isn’t clear what these “new advanced industries” were supposed to be, except for the sweatshops and maquilladora along the U.S. border. Cheap labor is not what economists would call “a competitive advantage,” because there’s always another country with even cheaper labor to exploit.

Hazan has found that each year, Mexico adds 1 million new workers to its labor force — but only creates half a million jobs. This means that every year, half a million Mexicans must either enter what she calls “the informal economy” of low-wage work without benefits, the criminal and black market economy, or leave the country.

In fact, the criminal economy of the drug cartels, estimated at 2 percent of Mexico’s GDP, has become the new export-oriented industry. Again, for all the complaining about the Mexican drug traffickers, few people are wondering what kind of society has developed we’ve developed in the U.S. that generates such an incessant and growing demand for narcotics. Without the U.S. demand, the narcotraffickers would be largely out of business.

In El Salvador, there’s a separate problem stemming from the violence of the Reagan wars of the 1980s — and now compounded by the recent deportation of U.S. gang members back to El Salvador. Originally, they entered the U.S. as children with their undocumented parents, learned their gang skills in the U.S. and then once arrested, were deported back to El Salvador. As a result there’s been an explosion of gang violence in El Salvador.

Every week, I hear of new reports from Salvadoran friends: Six bodies showed up on the streets overnight in one small town, a man with an expensive car is kidnapped and killed, a schoolteacher threatened with a gun by a disgruntled parent of one of his students. During a visit three years ago, the student leader of the National University suddenly disappeared without explanation, and the newspapers were reporting a wave of killings of poor drug dealers in the slums as “social cleansing.” In addition, the phenomenon of femicide, the rape and murder of women, is not just a problem in Juarez or the border towns but has become a new problem throughout the countries. At one point, gang members had apparently infiltrated the telephone companies in El Salvador, found out who had been making calls to the U.S., then called those U.S. cell phone numbers with a simple message: Send us $500 within 24 hours or we’ll kill your family.

Guatemala is hardly any safer. A friend of mine who was a journalist in Guatemala City had to leave with his family after a government official took him aside and played for him tape recordings of his cell phone conversations with his sources — when he was inside his own home! Assassinations of the community leaders opposing destructive mining operations are common. At another point, a well-known TV reporter was gunned down in broad daylight in the capital.

From my experience, when I asked about this violence, many people there said it was difficult to know exactly what to blame: the economic crisis, the unresolved conflicts of the civil wars, the habit of violence from the wars or the lure of fast money in the drug trade, the unraveling of families as the more and more parents head north into the U.S. to work. All of it is connected to U.S. policies and actions, particularly the 1980s wars.

“There’s no question that the civil wars were a big source of initial migration of Central America into the U.S.” Rosenblum told me. The problem has become worse in El Salvador, he said, because besides the violence, it has embraced the neoliberal economic policies of corporate development that has led to highly unequal growth among the rich and poor.

The U.S. seems to be afflicted by a strange blindness that prevents it from understanding the full dimensions of the problem it has created. I think this blindness is a natural spiritual consequence of the idolization of power and wealth. In my opinion, one of the best analyses of this was in the Nobel Prize speech of British playwright Harold Pinter. He spoke about the relationship of truth and lies in art, and then connected this to the relationship of truth and lies to political power.
"To maintain that power it is essential that people remain in ignorance, that they live in ignorance of the truth, even the truth of their own lives. What surrounds us therefore is a vast tapestry of lies, upon which we feed."

Then he focused how lies played a part in the brutality of the U.S. government’s treatment of Central America:

"I spoke earlier about ‘a tapestry of lies’ which surrounds us. President Reagan commonly described Nicaragua as a ‘totalitarian dungeon’. This was taken generally by the media, and certainly by the British government, as accurate and fair comment. But there was in fact no record of death squads under the Sandinista government. There was no record of torture. There was no record of systematic or official military brutality. No priests were ever murdered in Nicaragua. There were in fact three priests in the government, two Jesuits and a Maryknoll missionary. The totalitarian dungeons were actually next door, in El Salvador and Guatemala. The United States had brought down the democratically elected government of Guatemala in 1954 and it is estimated that over 200,000 people had been victims of successive military dictatorships.

Six of the most distinguished Jesuits in the world were viciously murdered at the Central American University in San Salvador in 1989 by a battalion of the Alcatl regiment trained at Fort Benning, Georgia, USA. That extremely brave man Archbishop Romero was assassinated while saying mass. It is estimated that 75,000 people died. Why were they killed? They were killed because they believed a better life was possible and should be achieved. That belief immediately qualified them as communists. They died because they dared to question the status quo, the endless plateau of poverty, disease, degradation and oppression, which had been their birthright."

A lone letter-writer to The Boston Globe explained eloquently why the immigrants have a moral right to be here:
"What goes unmentioned, however, is that some of us also feel that the fundamental aim of this law — enforcement of federal immigration regulations — is immoral.

A great many undocumented immigrants come here from countries that the United States has systematically devastated for generations by overthrowing democracy (as in Guatemala), sponsoring dictatorship and state terror (Guatemala, Nicaragua, El Salvador, and Haiti), and invading and annexing territory (Mexico). Actions such as these have helped the United States to control a grossly outsized share of world resources.

Until the US share of world resources is proportional to its population, so-called illegal immigrants will have a moral claim second to none on the rights of US citizenship. Arizona’s new law, like the federal laws it seeks to enforce, is an assault on people’s basic right to feed and clothe their families – in other words, on their right to access their fair share of the planet’s wealth, the patrimony of humanity."

LucyKaleido ScopeEyes (82)
Tuesday May 4, 2010, 12:03 am
The long comment above is a large part of the AlterNet article Luisa posted a few days ago, entitled, " Reagan’s Refugees: Why Undocumented Migrants Have a Right to Work Here "

This is how it began:

Undocumented migrants have a right to work here because they deserve economic reparations for failed U.S. economic policies and disastrous military interventions.

We hardly need another symptom of the spiritual and social bankruptcy of the system, but this new Arizona law targeting and criminalizing undocumented migrants is a good example. You might know that Gov. Jan Brewer signed last week a new law that broadens police power to stop anyone at anytime for virtually any reason simply for looking suspiciously like an undocumented immigrant. It is supposed to take effect in August, but this is unlikely since it is probably unconstitutional and will face a barrage of court challenges.

This Saturday, May Day, the traditional day for workers rights, more than 70 cities are planning protests against the law, and boycotts against Arizona are spontaneously spreading — as they should. Mexican taxi cab drivers are apparently refusing to pick up anyone from Arizona, and the Mexican government has issued a travel advisory warning Mexicans of the danger of traveling through Arizona. In California, pressure is growing to join the boycott. ...

LucyKaleido ScopeEyes (82)
Tuesday May 4, 2010, 12:27 am > Print Edition > Editorial Pages; Sunday, August 23, 2009

A Detention Mess

THE VAST majority of foreigners locked up on civil immigration violations and awaiting deportation are NEITHER CRIMINALS nor ACCUSED of ANY crime, but you'd never know it from the way they are treated.

Scattered across a network of 350 local and state jails, private, for-profit prisons and a handful of federal facilities, more than 30,000 detainees are held on any given day in conditions that range from adequate to dirty, deplorable and dangerous. The system, which houses five times the number of detainees it did in the early 1990s, is riddled with violations of the federal government's own standards for detention. It is an embarrassment for a nation that prides itself as a beacon of human rights.

Recognizing that the problems with the status quo are serious, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), the agency that oversees the detention system, recently announced an overhaul. ... We hope that at a minimum those steps will avert the worst abuses of the past, particularly instances in which health care for critically ill or injured detainees has been bungled or denied.
So deportation proceedings and detentions on a large scale are likely to continue, at least until the country gets the sweeping immigration reform -- including a path to citizenship for the millions of people still living in the shadows -- that it needs.
In the meantime, we worry that the detention system overhaul, while welcome, does not go far enough to prevent abuses. In particular, the government has rejected proposals that it make its own standards for humane detention enforceable by allowing individual detainees and their advocates to seek relief in court.

LucyKaleido ScopeEyes (82)
Tuesday May 4, 2010, 12:34 am
Too Broken to Fix - The New York Times
Posted: April 09, 2010

The Department of Homeland Security’s inspector general has affirmed what sheriffs, police chiefs, civil-rights lawyers and immigrant advocates have said for years: Outsourcing immigration enforcement to an ill-trained and poorly supervised assortment of state and local law enforcement agencies creates a lot of problems.

The program, commonly known as 287(g), deputizes local authorities as federal immigration agents so they can help Immigration and Customs Enforcement capture illegal immigrants who threaten the community or national security. A NEW REPORT by the Inspector General INSTEAD paints a portrait of 287(g) agencies as a motley posse of deputies who don’t know Spanish, who don’t know or care about the dangers of RACIAL PROFILING and who operate WELL BEYOND THE CONTROL of the federal agency that they are supposed to be working for.

It found the program lacks basic safeguards like data collection and reporting requirements to ensure that deputies don’t VIOLATE CIVIL RIGHTS. The report also found that FEWER THAN 10% of its sample of captured offenders had committed serious “Level 1” crimes, and almost HALF had NO CONNECTION AT ALL TO VIOLENCE, DRUGS, or PROPERTY CRIMES. .

The report reinforces what a leading police association and police chiefs, including William Bratton of Los Angeles, have argued strenuously — that 287(g) undermines public safety. Police officers can’t fight crimes when communities they serve FEAR and AVOID them.

The program was barely used until anti-immigrant fervor became white-hot over the last decade. And while many police departments shun 287(g) as bad news, other jurisdictions signed on to satisfy the urge to get tough on illegal immigration. The inspector general listed 33 ways to improve the program, mainly by patching up oversight deficiencies and bolstering training. Immigration and Customs Enforcement mostly concurred, but rejected one critical recommendation: It doesn’t want to collect data on encounters between 287(g) agencies and the public, to gauge the effect on CIVIL LIBERTIES.

We are skeptical that the 287(g) program can ever be fixed. And we are sure that the returns are too low and the costs — in abuses and undermining law enforcement — are too high to make it worth trying. The Homeland Security Department should PULL THE PLUG on 287(g).

LucyKaleido ScopeEyes (82)
Tuesday May 4, 2010, 12:47 am
TAKE ACTION: SIGN ON TO THE DIGNITY NOT DETENTION CAMPAIGN We ask you to join us in this campaign and to work together to restore due process in detention and enforcement to ensure that immigrants are treated with full respect for their human rights and human dignity.

American ideals of democracy and liberty are built on the foundation of upholding due process and human rights for all people. Contrary to these ideals, the U.S. government has created a climate of fear in our communities by violating basic human rights and undermining values of due process. This has happened because the government has diverted scarce resources from keeping America safe to sweeping enforcement raids and arrests where the majority of immigrants apprehended pose no risk to public safety. At an annual cost of $1.7 billion, these untargeted and ineffective enforcement practices have resulted in more than 300,000 people detained each year in horrific and unregulated detention facilities with limited or no access to lawyers, and without hope for a fair day in court.

As Americans, we have a responsibility to uphold our core values: dignity, human rights, and due process of law -- principles that are fundamental to a democracy. All people, regardless of race or country of origin, deserve fair and equal treatment by the government.

We ask you to join us in this campaign and to work together to restore due process in the detention and enforcement to ensure immigrants are treated with full respect for their human rights and human dignity.

We demand:


Bruce C D (89)
Tuesday May 4, 2010, 12:49 am
@Ralph Sutton--
Evidently you have been getting your figures for immigrant crime from right-wing anti-immigration sources, because the 27% figure you give is a very misleading one commonly thrown about in those circles. The 27% figure refers to immigrants in federal prison and was from 2000. That figure had steadily dropped to 20% by 2005. The reason for those higher percentages is because immigration violations are a federal matter. However, to accurately judge the true crime rate, you cannot arbitrarily confine it to federal crimes. The right-wing groups and individuals deliberately deceiving people have an agenda, and if they need to deceive people to obtain their objectives, it is a sure indication their agenda is not a noble one. I don't think you are deliberately trying to deceive people in spreading their propaganda, Ralph--most likely you've accepted that which confirmed what you wanted to believe without bothering to verify the facts.

The truth is that non-citizens in the U.S. have a lower crime rate than citizens, despite their significantly poorer labor market outcomes. The Census Bureau reported that 6.9% of the population in 2003 were non-citizens, yet in 2005, just 6.4 percent were incarcerated in federal and state prisons. Keep in mind that while the incarceration figure is precise, the Census Bureau figure may be low, since many illegal immigrants don't fill out census forms. You can disingenuously twist things around to support your views, but it doesn't change that the vast majority of undocumented workers are here to work and feed their families, not commit crimes. Nor does it change the fact that chances are you would probably be safer among a random group of undocumented workers than you would be among a random group of your fellow citizens.

"...because if they followed the law they may have been able to come LEGALLY"
More twisted logic and thoughtless nonsense; this fallacious argument was already addressed in a previous post of mine here. You could do the homework yourself and find out the facts if you really wanted, instead of blindly clinging to mistaken ideological beliefs. Fortunately for you, I have the patience of a saint, so I'll try to make it simple enough to understand: No, the lucky few who are able to legally immigrate or obtain work visas do so, but the unlucky multitude can't afford to wait year after year for something that is unlikely to happen, hence out of desperation they immigrate illegally, despite the very real dangers, risks, and prohibitive costs.

Your comments about the U.N. dodge my response to your argument about racism, just as NE L did. Of course, nobody suggested the U.S. answers to the U.N., and it is naive to think the U.N. could or should solve all of the third world's problems. The U.N. may not be perfect (nor is the U.S.), but it does have its virtues, and the world is far better for having such an institution. Anyway, how you feel about the U.N. is irrelevant; the U.S. was a willing signatory to this U.N. convention, and the point I made was a valid one. Under the Constitution, our country is bound by law to obey the treaties it signs. Perhaps you and NE L believe the word of the U.S. should be worthless and our government should ignore the Constitution; if so, that would put you both in a very radical fringe group. Besides that, the U.S. Government's Human Genome Project reports that there is no distinct genetic basis to racial types. Not to confuse the issue, but if there is no scientific basis for different races of people, then what the term racism denotes is actually ethnic bigotry, discrimination and prejudice.

To be frank, that, xenophobia, a kind of ethnic nationalism, or some combination of those things is what I often sense as the foundation behind the comments of many of the supporters of Arizona's law and other harsh anti-immigration measures. Sometimes it is subtle, othertimes blatant. Let me be clear: this isn't to say that everyone wanting immigration reform is racist or xenophobic, and I am speaking of what I have observed in general, not just here. Heck, I support developing a more sane, humane immigration policy myself. But it becomes clear once you get beyond the shrill rhetoric, fear mongering and political posturing that immigrants don't pose the dire threat some would have everyone believe.

Bruce C D (89)
Tuesday May 4, 2010, 1:17 am
"...I think that we should keep & not quibble over the word 'anti-Semitic,' since, whatever it's illogic or erroneous basis, we all know that it refers to anti-Jewish sentiment, views and/or actions. "

I respectfully have to disagree. We used to call Native Americans "Indians". Now we have more sensitivity. We used to only say "spokesman". Now it may be a spokesperson. We should also be sensitive to the other Semitic people who are not Jewish and respect that there are far more non-Jewish people who are Semitic. Just because we've become used to thoughtlessly using a term isn't a good argument to keep doing so. Apart from that, it wasn't so much to quibble about semantics as it was to further my point.

sheila l (116)
Tuesday May 4, 2010, 5:18 am is behind this, another progressive radical left movement, I don't think I am signing anything. I support the AZ governor 100 percent

Carol L (190)
Tuesday May 4, 2010, 7:24 am
With the unemployment rate in our county running at 18 percent and foreclosures up 70 percent I don't think that I will sign.

Bracha Katz (31)
Tuesday May 4, 2010, 5:59 pm
this law is not racist! it forbids racial profiling, police can only ask a hispanic for papers if he had another reason to, like if that person drove a red light or something. i hope people relize what this bill really is.

Gina G (26)
Tuesday May 4, 2010, 6:15 pm
I support the Govenor and AZ. They have had enough with the ILLEGAL ALIENS, the CRIME, the JOBS taken. I have had enough also and hope that the state I live in (NC) does the same. I will not sign anything since I agree with AZ.

Luisa Fox (144)
Tuesday May 4, 2010, 6:17 pm
Carol L. Wrote:

Carol, while the federal law PROHIBITS racial profiling, it OPENS THE DOOR for racial profiling. It's the slippery slope of slippery slopes on this issue. The law facilitates racial profiling while falling back on the law itself as not racist. A double edge sword signed and sealed.


Noted, signed, and posted on my wall on Facebook.

Gina G (26)
Tuesday May 4, 2010, 6:18 pm
And it's not racist (that word that used for anything non-caucasion). They are illegal, criminals and have no rights. They are not US citizens, should not be given any federal aid and should be sent packing.

Bruce C D (89)
Tuesday May 4, 2010, 9:07 pm
@Carol L, Gina G.
"With the unemployment rate in our county running at 18 percent and foreclosures up 70 percent I don't think that I will sign."
Of course if you choose not to sign that is your perogative, but I would ask you to reconsider. The Arizona bill passed and already amended is bad law. Economic conditions shouldn't prevent us from trying to right a wrong or protesting against it. Undocumented workers can't be blamed for foreclosures or unemployment, and if we were somehow able to deport every illegal immigrant, it would have, at best, a negligible effect on unemployment and no effect whatsoever on reducing foreclosures. In point of fact, if you do the research, you will find that places that have instituted harsh immigration measures in the U.S. have suffered economically because of them.

Gina, I've already pointed out here that the crime rate for non-citizens is lower than that of citizens. I've also already pointed out here that it has been demonstrated that FAIR, the organization that basically wrote the Arizona law, has a background of racism. Moreover, this law, in effect, encourages racial profiling and is racist in that it targets and victimizes Hispanic people, even those who are U.S. citizens or are here legally. Yes, we have immigrants who are here illegally, and we may disagree about labeling them criminals based solely on that, but they are human beings, and in the United States and other advanced countries, we recognize that they do still have rights. When you say things like that, and that racism is only "used for anything non-caucasion" and "should be sent packing", you reveal your own bigotry, callousness, lack of empathy, and ignorance.

Bruce C D (89)
Wednesday May 5, 2010, 12:00 am
@Edward H.
ME:"Why is Arizona's law enforcement community opposed to it?"
YOU:A beautiful all encompassing statement that isn't true. SOME, in fact VERY FEW of the law enforcement community are opposed to it. They have every right to be opposed to it and do not have to enforce it. All they have to do is QUIT. Law enforcement does not get to pick and choose what laws they want to enforce.

I was referring to the Arizona Association of Chiefs of Police. On matters of public policy concerning law enforcement, it is usually such state associations which wield the most authority and have the most credibility. It is department chiefs who will (wrongly) be held to account when this bill interferes with and negatively impacts law enforcement ability, albeit their opposition is not mainly self-serving. They are the ones generally most experienced and knowledgeable about how to best serve their communities. Although a majority of the Arizona rank and file police officers do support the bill, there is nevertheless a significant amount who also oppose it, so your characterization of "VERY FEW" is false. In fact, it was a rank and file Arizona police officer who was one of the first to file suit against the bill.

Your comment about police who oppose this law quitting is like those saying "America--love it or leave it." I bet there is a lot of things you disagree with about our country, but I wouldn't be ignorant enough to make such a statement to you. There are probably things you don't like where you work, but that doesn't mean you're going to quit your job. Besides, if one has the integrity and courage to fight for what they believe in, it is usually better to fight for change from within than from outside. The obvious didn't need to be stated; it was just a cheap way of discounting or dismissing those who disagree with you. I would also point out that there are many bad laws on the books that (rightfully) don't get enforced. And if most Arizona police chiefs oppose this measure, it is likely that there will be rank and file members who aren't going to be enforcing the law too energetically, especially if it perceived that may run counter to advancing their career or jeapordizes their position. Likewise for those members opposing the law. I surmise that at least initially, however, most departments and officers will do their duty, no matter how distasteful they may find it. I also predict that this measure will backfire both politically and economically for Arizona.

Terry B (649)
Wednesday May 5, 2010, 5:30 am
I repeat my earlier post on thie bogus legislation that if this weak bill provided fines and jail for the EMPLOYERS, they would cease attracting the illegals, and they would go away on their own with no government interference with citizens (which a lot of doofuses from Arizona like Jon Kyl are always yapping about).

Besides, attacking the empolyers through their employment records is so much easier, cheaper, and more efficient. Above all it avoids all of the racial profiling controversy because has the added advantage in that it will ALSO UNCOVER WHITE AND ASIAN ILLEGALS. No extra charge.

Nancy L (141)
Wednesday May 5, 2010, 6:36 am
It's not a bill. It is the LAW.

I would think that law enforcement officers would gladly embrace this new law as it will result in less drug traffic and their jobs and communities will be safer.

Edward H (45)
Monday May 10, 2010, 1:07 pm
Bruce D Wednesday May 5, 2010, 12:00 am

"Your comment about police who oppose this law quitting is like those saying "America--love it or leave it.""
Yep, and I agree...if you hate the country enough, leave. If you need to insist we speak "your" language, or want to discard our Judeo-Christian heritage, leave. I you have to be African-American, Mexican-American, Chinese-American, Latin-American, Russian-American, etc., instead of just American, leave. The list goes on.

"I bet there is a lot of things you disagree with about our country, but I wouldn't be ignorant enough to make such a statement to you."
Yes, there are, but not enough to make me leave. I am still and American. I will still die for America. The things I have a problem with, I try to change if I believe they are unjust, unfair, etc., but I live by and enforce if they are demanding of such. I don't get to pick and choose.

"There are probably things you don't like where you work, but that doesn't mean you're going to quit your job."
I have quit a job for that reason. I don['t just mouth the words like some, I walk the walk too.

"Besides, if one has the integrity and courage to fight for what they believe in, it is usually better to fight for change from within than from outside."
I have no problem with them disagreeing with the law and trying to get it changed. I have a problem with them taking it upon themselves to not enforce the law because they don't agree with it. Case in point. There are pharmacists that refuse to give out the morning after pill. People, ESPECIALLY HERE ON CARE2, are up in arms about that. Why is it ok for the police officer to not enforce a law, but wrong for the pharmacist?

"The obvious didn't need to be stated; it was just a cheap way of discounting or dismissing those who disagree with you."
Not true, but you go ahead and use your cheap way to discount or dismiss me for disagreeing with you.

"I also predict that this measure will backfire both politically and economically for Arizona."
I disagree, there is a definite movement afoot and it is about time.

There is one way to solve this problem. Make it mandatory that everyone and anyone pulled over or stopped for any reason have to show ID. Let's make sure we don't miss any illegals...

joan f r (26)
Monday May 17, 2010, 7:02 pm

Nancy L (141)
Tuesday May 18, 2010, 7:12 am
Don't you already have to show ID when stopped by police officer? This new law is the right thing to do. I hope all states adopt it.

. (0)
Tuesday May 18, 2010, 9:31 am
You don't have to be driving to be required by a police officer to show identification. Just try refusing that demand and see what happens.

LucyKaleido ScopeEyes (82)
Wednesday May 19, 2010, 7:33 am
A Neurosurgeon's Amazing Path From Migrant Fields To Operating Room

Twenty years ago, Dr. Quiñones-Hinojosa, now 40, was an illegal immigrant working in the vegetable fields of the Central Valley in California.

Fast Forward to May, 2008:
At the Johns Hopkins School of Medicine, Alfredo Quiñones-Hinojosa has four positions. He is a neurosurgeon who teaches oncology and neurosurgery, directs a neurosurgery clinic and heads a laboratory studying brain tumors. He also performs nearly 250 brain operations a year. (He became a citizen in 1997 while at Harvard.)

A Conversation With Alfredo Quiñones-Hinojosa

(NYTimes Journalist) Q. WHERE DID YOU GROW UP?

(Dr. Quiñones-Hinojosa) A. Mexicali. My father had a small gas station. The family’s stability vanished when there was a devaluation of the Mexican peso in the 1980s. My father lost the gas station, and we had no money for food. For a while, I sold hot dogs on the corner to help.

As the economic crisis deepened, there seemed no possibility for any future in Mexico. I had big dreams and I wanted more education. So in 1987, when I was 19, I went up to the border between Mexicali and the United States and hopped the fence.

Some years later, I was sitting at a lunch table with colleagues at Harvard Medical School. Someone asked how I’d come to Harvard. “I hopped the fence,” I said. Everyone laughed. They thought I was joking.


I was a farm laborer in the San Joaquin Valley, seven days a week, sunup to sundown. I lived in this little trailer I paid $300 a month for. It didn’t take long to see that farm work was a dead end. After a year of it, I moved to Stockton, where I found a job loading sulfur and fish lard onto railroad freight cars. My eyes burned from the sulfur, and my clothes smelled from fish lard, but it paid me enough so that I was able to go to night classes at San Joaquin Delta Community College.

There, I met this wonderful human being, Norm Nichols, the speech and debate coach. He took me into his family and mentored me. Norm helped me apply for and get accepted to the University of California, Berkeley.

Once at Berkeley, I took a lot of math and science classes to up my G.P.A. Science and math are their own language. You didn’t need to write in perfect English to do well in them. I pulled straight A’s in science. In my senior year, someone told me to go see this guy, Hugo Mora, who helped Hispanics with science talent. I brought him my transcript and he said: “Wow! With grades like these, you should be at Harvard Medical School.” That’s how I got to Harvard. All along, I had much luck with mentors.


A. Not really. Compared to working in the fields, it was easy. The question was what kind of doctor should I become? For a while, I thought I’d be a pediatric oncologist, because I wanted to help children. But then I thought, I’m good with my hands. Maybe I should do surgery.

One day, I was walking through Brigham and Women’s Hospital and I saw Dr. Peter Black, the chairman of neurosurgery. I introduced myself, and he invited me that day to come to watch him do an operation. As it happened, he was doing an “awake” surgery, where the patient’s brain is exposed and the patient is awake so that the surgeon can ask questions. As I watched that, I fell in love with brain surgery.


A. Imagine, the most beautiful organ of our body, the one that we know least about, the one that makes us who we are, and it was in Dr. Black’s hand. It was in front of me. It was pulsating! I realized I could work with my hands and touch this incredible organ, which is what I do now. I cannot conceive of a much more intimate relationship than that. A patient grants you the gift of trusting you with their lives, and there is no room for mistakes.

Dr. Peter Black, he was a very humble person. And he took me under his wing. So here again, I was very fortunate with mentorship.


A. I meet them several times, and their families. They don’t know if they are going to wake up after the operation. Not all the time am I successful. I do about 230 to 240 brain tumor operations a year. The majority make it. Some have complications. And some — 2 to 3 percent — it takes awhile for the patients to wake up. I need to meet everyone so that they know the risks. But getting to know these patients, it’s the most painful part.

I was at a funeral yesterday. This was a 21-year-old man with a young wife, pregnant. Three surgeries, and the tumor kept growing and growing. And he told me, “There’s no possible way I’ll give up.” He fought so hard. He trusted me with his life. Not once, several times. I owed him my presence.


A. One of the ways I work it out is through research, the laboratory. I’m trying to learn about the causes of these recurring tumors. The patients, they can donate tissue, which we will examine.

My hypothesis is — and there are quite a few scientists who believe this — there are within these brain tumors a small subset of cells that can keep growing, even when you think you’ve taken them all out. We call them brain stem cells. They can keep making themselves, and they can make “daughter cells” that can become anything else in the brain. They have the ability to go to sleep for a little bit and then wake up and do it again. So we’re trying to identify this small subset of cells we may be leaving behind when we make these beautiful surgeries.


A. Yes, but only in the laboratory. When we’ve found them, they may be a product of the experimental conditions of the laboratory. We haven’t found them yet in live patients. The next challenge is to see if they truly exist in the human brain while the patient is alive.


A. It bothers me. Because I know what it was that drove me to jump the fence. It was poverty and frustration with a system that would have never allowed me to be who I am today.

As long as there is poverty in the rest of the world and we export our culture through movies and television, people who are hungry are going to come here. There’s no way to stop it."

LucyKaleido ScopeEyes (82)
Wednesday May 19, 2010, 8:02 am

Listen to Dr on PBS NOVA/Science Now (

An excerpt of the e-mail ??s Dr. Q answered from viewers on the PBS NOVA/Science Now :

Q: Dr. Quiñones-Hinojosa:

Your path from Mexicali and the fields to Berkeley, Harvard, UCSF, and now Hopkins is most impressive. What personality factors do you attribute to such success, i.e., what aspects of yourself do you feel were instrumental in getting through such tough academic environments and still remaining true to your ultimate goals?

R. Eccles, Los Angeles, California

A: Dear R. Eccles,

I am very thankful for you wonderful question. I think that the one key reason for my success is character. In regards to character, Albert Einstein said, "Most people think it is intellect that makes a good scientist. They are wrong, it is character." Character is a very important part of our personalities. It gives us the ability to see opportunity in the middle of chaos, to have an incredible amount of determination and courage, to fall down and get up and try again. I always tell my children and my students, it's ok to fail, for it is not failure that determines your ultimate success, it is your ability to deal with that failure- your ability get up and try again.

It's also important to have excitement and passion for life and enjoyment for everything you do. Admiration for other people and mentorship have been instrumental to my success; I am truly blessed to have had an incredible amount of mentorship, not only from people of my own race, but also from people of other races, other religions, other groups, because there are good people everywhere. The American dream has brought us all together. And what makes this is such a wonderful nation is that we work very hard and we stand on the shoulders of giants. My academic challenges were truly difficult, but I remained focused on my goals-to make this world a better place for all of us to live, as a surgeon, a scientist, a clinician, and a person. I strive to use neurosurgery and my research in cancer as a vehicle here for all of us.

Q: Being an illegal immigrant and economically disadvantaged, how did you overcome the financial adversities of college and medical school?
Dennis, Rochester, New York

A: Dear Dennis,

Thank you very much for this wonderful question. One of the things that I look back to is my time working at the railroad. I was an immigrant with documentation, but I made very little money. I knew I needed to get an education to find a better life. But the community college where I eventually went to school was very expensive. Fully realizing the value of this education, I worked nights and weekends and went to school during the day. Essentially, I worked 24/7. By the time I went to U.C., Berkeley, the education I received in community college made me qualified to earn money tutoring students in physics, chemistry, and mathematics and working as a teacher's assistant. I also applied for special loans, some of them were low-interest and some of them were high-interest. I never thought that this country had any responsibility to me as an immigrant to provide me with a free education, so I have paid and continue to pay through loans and have acquired education-related debt through the years in excess of several hundred thousand dollars. But regardless of this debt, I am very thankful that I have been given an opportunity to fulfill the American dream. I never thought that I was owed anything. I always thought that I had to pay my way, and I continue to pay my way.

I know it seems like an insurmountable task, but with dedication and with hard work you can get through. I always tell my students, it's difficult to imagine that by the time you finish medical school and residency you can have a several-hundred-thousand-dollar debt, but in my case the alternative would have been to not have been given the privilege to care for patients with brain cancer who are threatened with death. My contribution goes beyond just medicine; it is my contribution to society, to humanity. My own difficult times, economic situations, they seem so little and so vain when compared to the hardships of people who are dying from brain cancer.

LucyKaleido ScopeEyes (82)
Saturday May 22, 2010, 2:28 am
Stop the Deportation of Immigrant Military Veterans -- Thank you for signing the petition "Stop the Deportation of Immigrant Military Veterans"

That immigrant veterans are being deported is all the more disgusting in that the US army has been making a special 'aggressive' efforts to get Latinos to sign up, with the promise of citizenship as the carrot!
Yo Soy El Army: US Military Targets Latinos with Extensive Recruitment Campaign, Democracy Now!: " In addition to the racial profiling encouraged by Arizona’s controversial anti-immigrant law, the Hispanic community in this country is the target of a different kind of profiling, as well: the military’s targeting of Latino recruits. We get a report from independent media activist and community organizer Marco Amador of Producciones Cimarrón and the Center for Community Communications and the Big Noise media collective." ("Yo Soy El Army", the video report from Marco Amador excerpted on this DN! show, will be screened at the US Social Forum in Detroit in June.)

A 2009 study by the US Army-funded think tank RAND shown in the 'Yo Soy El Army' video report excerpt specifically points to Latinos as an untapped source of recruits, and states Latinos should be 'OVERREPRESENTED' in US Armed Forces!! The study encourages the military to aggressively target the Latino community.

Marco Amador, who made & narrates the documentary, says, "In poor and working-class communities across the US, military recruiters are working their way into schools, churches and community groups. They are making the military a normal part of American life. .../... At LA’s Manual Arts High School college and career day, Navy and Marine recruiters are on hand presenting the military as an alternative to college or work in the private sector. The 2001 No Child Left Behind Act requires every high school in America to give the military access to its facilities and even student records for the purposes of recruiting."

Arlene Inouye, teacher in the Los Angeles Unified School District and the coordinator of Coalition for Alternatives to Militarism in Our Schools, says "It seems like a setup to me. I feel like there’s a setup that we are really pushing certain kinds of kids into the military, and it always impacts upon those who are the poorest and those who are the darkest, who don’t see the opportunities or don’t have the opportunities, and those who are immigrants who feel that they want to belong and that this is a way that they can prove their patriotism."

Take action against anti-Latino hate crime perpetrated, not by nativist, or white supremacist group, but by Seattle police!! Sign this petition and tell the Seattle Police to fire and arrest Det. Cobane and the other officers involved immediately: just scroll down a bit to get to the video -- & then find the petition link just under the video!!
Demand Firing & Arrest of Police Caught Beating Innocent Latino Man -- Target: Seattle Police Department; Started by: A recent video (viewable on my link) caught a group of Seattle police officers kicking a young Latino man in the head and stomping on his legs while he was laying face down on the ground.

One officer, Det. Shandy Cobane can be heard saying “I'll beat the f---ing Mexican piss out of you, homey. You feel me?”

The man was not under arrest and was not resisting the police officers in any way. Eventually the police, who were looking for a robbery suspect, realized they had stopped the wrong person and let the young man leave on his own. Actually, they had to stand him up; he has trouble walking, so they lean him against a car for support. When interviewed about the incident, cuts can clearly be seen on the young man's face, and he has no idea why he was stopped. The video doesn't show police calling in a medic despite his clear injuries.

Civil rights advocates are concerned that the man in the video might not have filed a complaint against the police because he doesn't know his rights, especially if he is an undocumented immigrant. Undocumented immigrants are less likely to go to the police, the Southern Poverty Law Center reports, so people who look Latino are frequent targets for crime, to the extent that there are catchy names for such attacks, like "amigo shopping" and "beaner hopping." The Seattle NAACP is calling this incident a hate crime.

Det. Cobane has been reassigned and the police are “investigating” the assault but so far no officer has been arrested or fired for the racist attack. The Federal Bureau of Investigations is looking into this case (with video footage, it's hard to sweep this one under the rug). Cobane has been reassigned; he apologized for "letting down his colleagues" with his hate speech and promises to strive to do better as an officer. Cobane does not apologize to the young man he kicked or stomped on, or make any comment on his brutality. There are no reports that anything has been done with the other officer, Mary Woollum, who can be seen kicking the unidentified young man in the video.

If a young Latino man was caught on video kicking a police officer in the head any “investigation” would happen with the suspect behind bars. This case should be no different.

Demand Firing & Arrest of Police Caught Beating Innocent Latino Man --Target: Seattle Police Department; Started by: -- Scroll Down to View Video/Petition Just Underneath

LucyKaleido ScopeEyes (82)
Saturday May 22, 2010, 2:40 am
I read a revealing comment on TheRealLuisa's "Reagan's Refugees" thread. Robert S pointed out: "Remember, Arizona did not accept MLK day as a holiday until much much pressure was put on them. The resistance to acknowledging this great man, and the why? of it, must be noted as we watch this latest. My point...Here they go again."

Well, at least we know where Arizona is coming from!

Nancy L (141)
Saturday May 22, 2010, 9:05 am
If it were a racist law I would sign but it's not so I won't.

Gina G (26)
Monday May 24, 2010, 6:32 pm
Peasant Diva and Bruce D: Bruce D - You have your opinions, I have mine and you are wrong. Peasant Diva - Your passion is commendable, but misguided and boring (looong posts ).

LucyKaleido ScopeEyes (82)
Wednesday May 26, 2010, 3:46 am
Gina, your negative opinion is without interest. I wouldn't expect anyone simplistic enough to accept the equation 'Latinos=criminals,' & bigoted enough to support racial profiling, to have an attention span long enough to read & learn from my comments. They come from sources such as the NYTimes, Democracy Now!,, neurosurgeon Dr Alfredo Quiñones-Hinojosa -- granted this must be a little complicated for you.
You probably found school boring, too. Did you make it beyond 8th grade?

LucyKaleido ScopeEyes (82)
Wednesday May 26, 2010, 4:07 am
SIGN ON TO THE DIGNITY NOT DETENTION CAMPAIGN, Preserving Human Rights and Restoring Justice: We ask you to join us in this campaign and to work together to restore due process in the detention and enforcement to ensure immigrants are treated with full respect for their human rights and human dignity.

We demand:
-- President Obama put an end to human rights abuses in detention centers;

-- Congress restore due process to the enforcement of U.S. immigration laws and guarantee that every person has the right to a fair day in court;

-- The U.S. government prevent the arbitrary detention of more than 300,000 people each year and start using cost-saving alternatives.

Take a stand to protect human rights and put an end to the expansion of the U.S. immigration detention system. Together we can stop the human rights abuses occurring under the U.S. detention and enforcement regimes.

LucyKaleido ScopeEyes (82)
Wednesday May 26, 2010, 4:52 am
"if you hate the country enough, leave. If you need to insist we speak "your" language, or want to discard our Judeo-Christian heritage, leave."

You've missed the point COMPLETELY! Nobody HATES the country! We love it -- that's why we want it to live up to its ideals.

And Latinos fall fully into our Judeo-Christian heritage -- they're Catholic.

Nancy L (141)
Wednesday May 26, 2010, 7:26 am
Why is it that the left ALWAYS stoops to personal attacks when someone disagrees with them? Just shows their ignorance I guess.

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