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The Next Time Someone Tells You To Be Afraid Of Socialized Medicine, Show Them This Rajiv Narayan Isn't it weird that we never talk about how other nations handle this issue?


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Barbara K (61)
Friday July 12, 2013, 4:41 pm
It sounds like a great insurance plan. Don't let the Tbaggers know about it, they will try to trash it. lol.

Terry V (30)
Friday July 12, 2013, 4:44 pm

JL A (281)
Friday July 12, 2013, 5:15 pm
You are welcome Terry
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Jabi Yeonnmin (164)
Friday July 12, 2013, 6:16 pm
I wish we could get socialized medicine here! Noted.

Sheila D (194)
Friday July 12, 2013, 9:40 pm
Wonderful idea - must be why the GOP/T Party vetoed it. Thank you for letting me see a system that seems to be working - much appreciated.

Maureen C (4)
Friday July 12, 2013, 10:18 pm
Socialized medical care is the norm in most of Europe and Scandinavia -- different structures, but they all work. We have a lot of examples to study, and take the best ideas from.

I think right-wingers just balk at the idea of socialism in any form -- just the word " socialized" makes them see red.

JL A (281)
Friday July 12, 2013, 10:19 pm
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Terrie Williams (798)
Friday July 12, 2013, 11:06 pm
The key factor as to why the Rethuglican T-baggers hate it.....medical professions in said countries (Europe, Germany, Scandinavia, et al) ARE NOT ALLOWED TO MAKE A PROFIT. That is anathema to Fascists.

Helen Porter (39)
Friday July 12, 2013, 11:36 pm
Our medicine is designed to keep a good income coming in to the doctors so they can pay they're student loans,

Glenn Byrnes (197)
Saturday July 13, 2013, 12:27 am

Julie E (405)
Saturday July 13, 2013, 12:33 am
Did you notice the doctors office did not have a huge line of patients? It could have been lunch time :) Thanks JL!

Lynn S (235)
Saturday July 13, 2013, 12:45 am
As a Canadian, I pay provincial healthcare premiums of less than $65 per month. This includes all doctor's visits, hospitalisation, and optometry because I am a diabetic. Provincial coverage is mandatory if you live in Canada. In addition, I have Fair Pharmacare which means that my prescription drugs are paid for by me until I reach my deductible and then are covered almost 100% by the province. There are no premiums for Fair Pharmacare. The deductible is income based. Our system is not perfect. No system is. But, we don't have 30 million or more people without medical coverage either. No system is free --- it is paid for through taxes.

If tourists etc need hospital care while here, they pay for it, but it is nowhere near as expensive as a hospitalisation bill would be in the US.

Another factor, hospitals in Canada are not-for-profit.

If someone has extended health through their employer, that usually covers special services and equipment like crutches etc. When I broke my ankle 11 years ago, I had to have surgery to pin it back together and was in hospital for a week. The only thing I had to pay for was the rental of crutches and a wheelchair which was by donation from the Red Cross.

I hear so much rhetoric about US healthcare --- no communist system; socialised healthcare is socialism; and a whole lot of other negative things coming from the right. Well, given the choice, I'll take my universal care any day. People's lives and heath should not be for sale.

TomCat S (128)
Saturday July 13, 2013, 12:50 am
Be afraid of RepubliCare.

Van voorst coll C (322)
Saturday July 13, 2013, 5:37 am
Thank you for sharing this dearest JL!

Gene J (287)
Saturday July 13, 2013, 6:24 am
Nice. But still too needlessly expensive. We can do better with single payer and we should. It is the moral thing to do, for those who are concerned with such things, to care for ones neighbor as oneself. And it is cheaper as mentioned in the video. I would not like for us to hop stop and step to the next level over a period of many years as we educate our politicians to what the people already know, most anyway, single payer saves us all - and a "motive" can be left in place as in Germany where the management is better paid for better outcomes.

JL A (281)
Saturday July 13, 2013, 6:44 am
You are welcome Chantal.
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Joanne D (37)
Saturday July 13, 2013, 7:05 am
Funny how the Rethuglicans go apoplectic if the hear the word "Socialist" when the party from history they most resemble is the National Socialists.

JL A (281)
Saturday July 13, 2013, 7:31 am
Ironic the Nazi's used the label to mask their fascism indeed Joanne. You cannot currently send a star to Joanne because you have done so within the last day

Kit B (276)
Saturday July 13, 2013, 7:43 am

I began looking at healthcare systems all over the world. This was before Obama was elected, and when Japan still had a system much like we have now. To make that system more efficient, the government and private insurance companies were demanding that doctors spend a maximum of 3 to 5 minutes per patient. The doctors were not paid well their staff was also paid poorly and not getting to know patients left every one disinterested in the care of patients. That should be a warning sign. Japan has since dramatically changed that system and provides much better healthcare, still at lowered cost but is reaching out to the people.

Think of the irony of this video, telling people about one the great military strategists of history, and his compassionate desire to have all citizens covered with a health care plan. Bismarck, was in no way a socialist.

I think it will take some time before Americans actually realize that even the ACA is not a real or long term solution, that the US system of healthcare for profit, serves only the few. We are a nation of the many and the few are choking us alive. At some point we the people must be willing to stop making excuses for the corporations and against our own best interests, we have to stand up for ourselves. No one is going to do that for us.

It doesn't matter if an incendiary term like "socialized" medicine is used, because as citizens we have the responsibility to dig-in and learn each detail and fact. Expecting your leaders from any party to hold your hand and explain the details is foolishness. Find the actual facts, stop whining and make the systems work for you and not against you.

JL A (281)
Saturday July 13, 2013, 8:19 am
Very well articulated Kit! You cannot currently send a star to Kit because you have done so within the last day.

Birgit W (160)
Saturday July 13, 2013, 5:51 pm

Jamie Clemons (282)
Saturday July 13, 2013, 7:08 pm
im not afraid of socialized medicine. I am afraid of mandate to buy for profit health care.

Tom Edgar (56)
Saturday July 13, 2013, 11:53 pm
I opposed vocally the introduction, in Australia, of the present system of health insurance. I have nothing against insurance per se but it should be into a Government instrumentality not a private for profit organisation.
The instalments accruing should be loaned to other Government departments at a market mark up to improve the capital to improve medical knowledge and its application.

Americans, generally, haven't the foggiest idea what the meaning of Socialism is. Usually it means to them "Communism" and even there they do not realise that Communism has not been implemented anywhere in the world except in the smallest areas such as in Israel's Kibbutz. Communism is derived from Community. That is a people acting in and for the benefit of each member of their community. The former U S S R was only ever a State Capitalist system of the worst kind. The present Vietnamese so called Communist State similarly is only a self perpetuating governance by the elite. None of these have ever had a system where they allowed input from the proletariat. The same can be said of those countries that brag of being Democracies. A Democracy should be no different to a Communist State in that the people themselves must have input at all levels of governance not just at election times when you elect your next set of self serving Dictators.

reft h (66)
Sunday July 14, 2013, 12:14 am
The right wing fear mongers seem to do such a good job scaring people with a word most don't even understand. Just throw out the word 'socialism" and the hysteria begins. Pity. Some good comments here.

Lona G (66)
Sunday July 14, 2013, 5:25 am
Noted. So glad there is some backup with video's and interviews of experts for the handful of Care2 members from around the world who have brought other types of health systems to the table.

One of the problems with comparing systems is the language accompanying it. What we call "socialized" in Europe for example, has absolutely nothing with "socialism" or "communism" which are both political terms. It has the same connotation as the "social" in social media. And actually we don't call it "socialized medicine" but "social healthcare" or National Health Care. Getting the message across will remain a problem as long as "social" is immediately translated into "socialism" and the red flags go up for Americans.

JL A (281)
Sunday July 14, 2013, 9:11 am
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Audrey B (0)
Monday July 15, 2013, 5:42 pm
Socialize medicine is non-profit so the U.S.A won't do it, they are always looking for ways to get more money out of us. Looks like the German's & Canadians are ahead of the U.S. with taking care of their citizens. But I think the premiums in Germany could be lower, like the Canadians.


Past Member (0)
Tuesday July 16, 2013, 5:06 am
You do realize this is not a single payer system? You do realize this system is based around private companies? You realize that is not socialized medicine? Then why would I use it to demonstrate how good socialized medicine is?

JL A (281)
Tuesday July 16, 2013, 8:36 am
True John--but some voices in the US call it socialized nonetheless--a conundrum for any that seeks logic from such persons.
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