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JL
- 1778 days ago - youtube.com
"Many months ago, in the wake of Minnesota's painful government shutdown, I had the idea of creating a music video based on Fighting Over What We Believe, a song which grapples with conflict, conversation and compassion."EA



   

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Angelika R (143)
Wednesday January 1, 2014, 7:48 pm
listening as I type..
 

Angelika R (143)
Wednesday January 1, 2014, 7:54 pm
Oh my, that IS powerful and inspiring indeed- I'd simply say "Alexanders the Great" -!! thx Judi for sharing at a most suitable time ! Now off to bed with THAT message.
 

Christeen A (341)
Wednesday January 1, 2014, 8:02 pm
Thoroughly enjoyed. Thanks for the song, music and message.
 

Katie & Bill D (107)
Wednesday January 1, 2014, 8:11 pm
Very lovely we all needed to hear that!
Thank You JLA
 

Jeanne R (1203)
Wednesday January 1, 2014, 8:18 pm
JL--- Thank you so much for sharing this especially on this day! It was lovely!
 

Helen Porter (39)
Wednesday January 1, 2014, 9:28 pm
Thank you for this.

I'm going to respond by printing a comment I made on the article American Muslim Women not Immune

My intention with this comment was to share how even inside the churches there is an effort to control the mind. That's what's at stake our MINDS. Truly, that which is closest to the soul is the mind. Each one of us has a mind which should not be governed by any outside authority. It is OUR OWN property and should not be threatened by any.

It is my firm belief that these are dangerous days and the greatest danger of all is to surrender our minds to the dictates of any other person or organization. This is a time when Christians and Atheists and Skeptics and Hindus should stop their quarreling with one another and together fight for our right to our own sacred
minds. I wonder if the atheists realize that the threat is as great to them as it is to fundamental Christians.

Both the right to believe and to NOT believe are being threatened. Drop the petty squabbles. We are fighting for our right to our own minds and/or souls according to your belief or disbelief. The enemy is as ready to martyr atheists as to martyr fundamentalist Christians.

This is something our witches know. During the burning times more Christian women were burned than witches martyred. Wake up. It's not about religion or no religion.

Our right to even think is being threatened.

Here's what I wrote.
It has been my painful experience that dedicated followers of any cult or religion ........ you scratch a bit below the surface and hate bubbles out.

The creed, perhaps, should read something like this:

I believe my church is the ONLY right church. Any other is dog- sh--.

If my common sense and what my pastor/priest/whatever says disagree, my "pastor" is always right. I'm just too dumb to think for myself.

If you disagree with ME you are "going to hell".

Do not disagree with any leader in the church. Open your mouth and you will be ostracized.....if you do not happily agree that you are wrong and beg forgiveness. Then, they'll have to forgive if you humbly ask them too. However, you now must submit to being disciple and taught by them or someone of their choosing, you must be taught how wrong you are. Repent....only tears count.

No, I'm not talking ONLY about the Christian church.

I am a "troublemaker" in that I think and the mouth opens and I speak. People like me are to be exorcised.

This guy I know says I worship the devil. What am I doing to make this guy think I worship him? The guys name is Lewis and I do not worship Lewis. He gossips about me but my neighbors and my apartment manager really like me. What makes Lewis think I worship him?

There was this one prayer meeting night. I decided to risk getting in trouble. I'm not very good at resisting the temptation to jolt people into thinking. So I began to pray audible and a couple tones higher.
"Lord, first I'm going to pray for YOU."

LIGHTNING. Both the pastor and the Sunday school teacher's attentions were fixed on me.

"I'm going to pray for you first. Our Father who art in heaven Hallowed be thy Name. (Don't let any slander touch it.) Thy Kingdom come, thy will be done. (You be our dictator. You run things.)

He gets prayed for FIRST. Then the rest of us ask for our lunch.

Pastor and Teacher were used to me. I heard their sighs so I stopped teasing them. ROFLOL

I don't go to church any more.

Go figure.




 

Kit B (276)
Wednesday January 1, 2014, 10:24 pm

Actually to be honest, I don't mind the arguments over the issues. By sharing our deeply held beliefs we speak our truths to each other and sometimes we listen and learn. None of us is always right and few are consistently wrong. Some where in the middle of all of that is a compromise. America is not about being silent and suffering the assault of tyranny and injustice without speaking out. When or if we move past the ideology and gamesmanship of politics, we find that on most issues Americans do agree. We all whether American or any country, people want to live in peace, want to build a life of plenty for ourselves and for our children.

The most severe problem is that we are all so strongly influenced by the blast of media from all sources, that creates an anger. That anger is so often, messages from others that want nothing more than to have WE THE PEOPLE at each other, fighting, arguing, and completely missing the underlying causes of turmoil.

We are not stupid people, but so often we behave as stupid people. The issues confronting us could be simple, we could readily learn to listen, be guided by empathy and not politics. That is what I see and I do realize that others will see this differently. Justice, equality, freedom, opportunity, and peace are not just words, they are the essence of life.

Thank you, J L this was a very moving and stimulating video. I believe it may be one of those that prompt some thinking from those who watch and listen.
 

Barb Knight (1694)
Wednesday January 1, 2014, 10:39 pm
Wow. Throughly enjoyed! TYSM JL :)
 

Giana Peranio-paz (398)
Wednesday January 1, 2014, 10:40 pm
Your require courage, conviction, strength and assertiveness to fight for what you believe in, of course "fighting" means many things, for me personally, communicating my ideas to people around me and on care2 is my way of influencing the world, of course I fight for our 4 legged friends on a daily basis and talk to people trying to convince them of what is right. Thanks JL.
 

Joanne D (38)
Wednesday January 1, 2014, 10:56 pm
My cousin would love this. She is very positive. I tend to go along with Thomas Cahill, who sais on Bill Moers' show this week "I've come to the conclusion that they are really only two movements in the world. One is kindness, and the other is cruelty." (sic, from the transcript)

Kindness is always willing to listen, even to cruelty. Cruelty listens to no one. That is really how we got into the mess we are in, that we may (will, if we don't do something about it) lose our Democracy. I'm not saying we shouldn't listen to cruelty, but we also need to call it out for what it is, and to stand up for kindness. And that means fighting over what we believe.
 

TomCat S (127)
Wednesday January 1, 2014, 11:12 pm
Excellent
 

Helen Porter (39)
Wednesday January 1, 2014, 11:19 pm
I so much admire Kit's respect and concern for people.

If only the leaders of companies, societies and countries were people!
 

Shirley S (187)
Thursday January 2, 2014, 12:32 am
Interesting video. Thanks for sharing. Makes one think.
 

Judy C (91)
Thursday January 2, 2014, 1:49 am
There is a fine line between respectful, constructive debate and fighting. One indicator of the difference is whether the two sides are really listening to one another. The 1% has a field day by dividing and conquering the People. Congress plays their game, as well. Thanks for this thought-provoking video, J.L
 

Jaime Alves (52)
Thursday January 2, 2014, 1:52 am
Thanks.
 

Helen Porter (39)
Thursday January 2, 2014, 2:12 am
There is an excellent intellectual book, though comprehensible to the rest of us, titled The Closing of the Muslim Mind (How intellectual Suicide Created the Modern Islamist Crisis), written by Robert R. Reilly, which details what we're discussing.

The gist of it is that the Muslims had a choice to make: use intelligent thinking or just believe what we're told.

I'll type up part of the introduction to the book................................

In this eye-opening new book, foreign policy expert Robert R. Reilly uncovers the root of our contemporary crisis: a pivotal struggle waged within the Muslim world nearly a millennium ago. In a heated battle over the role of reason, the side of irrationality won.
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Knowledge is Power. I highly recommend this book. I do believe intellectuals will enjoy it and the rest of us might decide to exercise our own intellectualism. lol

 

Terrie W (798)
Thursday January 2, 2014, 3:53 am
Very good! Thanks for sharing!
 

kate K (481)
Thursday January 2, 2014, 4:07 am
wonderful !!!!
 

Angelika R (143)
Thursday January 2, 2014, 5:12 am
I can tell you that I started off my day the very same way I called it a night before-by watching this once more -and again. My only suggestion would be to HAVE THIS VIDEO PLAY LOUD AND CLEAR IN CONGRESS WHEN THEY ARE STARTING THEIR "WORK" ON 6 JAN 2014!! It COULD perhaps just make the difference so badly needed..
 

Barbara K (61)
Thursday January 2, 2014, 5:20 am
Wow, what a truly powerful video. Everyone should see this. It is so silly to keep fighting over what we believe. Thanks, my dear friend.
 

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Thursday January 2, 2014, 6:25 am

Excellent contribution, Judi. Thanks for sharing!

 

. (0)
Thursday January 2, 2014, 6:38 am
Great video, JL. Thanks for sharing.
 

Kerrie G (116)
Thursday January 2, 2014, 6:39 am
Noted, thanks.
 

Pat B (356)
Thursday January 2, 2014, 7:56 am
A great video. Thank you, JL for sharing this with us.
 

Angelika R (143)
Thursday January 2, 2014, 8:04 am
Did I mention the PRESIDENT ? Let us hope this will meet HIS EARS AND EYES as well!!!!
 

John B (185)
Thursday January 2, 2014, 10:27 am
Wonderful JL! Thanks so much for sharing it! viewed and noted.
 

Sheila D (194)
Thursday January 2, 2014, 10:53 am
Just called my three Congresspeople and the Governor of MN. Will call MN Reps and Senators next...Asked them all to watch this video that sends a strong positive message we all need to start practicing. Thanks so much for sharing this. Going to watch it again before I go.
Wish I could send you hundreds of stars...
 

JL A (281)
Thursday January 2, 2014, 11:03 am
You are all so very welcome and I think many of your responses are ones Elizabeth would welcome. Kudos GGma Sheila for helping complete the circle and sharing with MN politicians.
 

Sheila D (194)
Thursday January 2, 2014, 11:09 am
Last, but certainly not the least...the White House.
 

Gene Jacobson (290)
Thursday January 2, 2014, 1:30 pm
Why is it never, has it never, just been okay to believe what one believes without this obsessive need to make others believe it too? We can't even agree on what compassion MEANS, let alone stop fighting over it. We aren't hopeless, not as long as we can talk about what that looks like, what live and let live means. There is nothing, no thing, worth fighting over. Live and love as you choose, allow everyone else the same freedom. It has always been that simple. If we could keep it that simple, if we could remember what a child looks like, thinks like at 2 or even 3, there is no hatred there, no bigotry, no condescension - just wide eyed wonder at the world around them. The negativity in our world has to be taught, it isn't innate. So, maybe we could just agree to stop teaching it? That would be a discussion worth having, all the peoples of the world. It is a pipe dream of sorts, but it is a vision that never leaves me. Were we one, what then could we do? Worth working toward, day by day, minute by minute, conversation by conversation. What else have we to do that is more important than love? In the end, love is all there is. It is too bad it takes us getting TO the end to realize that.
 

Mitchell D (81)
Thursday January 2, 2014, 6:55 pm
"...even inside the churches there is an effort to control the mind."
Zee, THAT is what the churches are about; that is their main goal, and, I expect, always has been! It is all about power and control, which often means money, and the power to get more.
A church, or "The Church" does not welcome discussion, except, perhaps, the Unitarian Universalist Church, known as the place in which discussions can go on forever.
The Catholic Church has a long history of literally outlawing certain gospels, and the like, narrowing down what is acceptable to things that enhance mind and behavior control. And it is far from the only one.
The bumper sticker that says "Coexist," written in religious symbols says it all.
I was once told, by a Univeralist Unitarian minister, that upon leaving a seemingly friendly, cooperative conclave of several Christian groups, he commented to a roman Catholic priest, how it was nice, or good, that they had all been there with the same agenda, only to see the guy virtually grow claws.

 

Mitchell D (81)
Thursday January 2, 2014, 7:05 pm
There is an article in Tuesday's NY Times Science section, an interview with a research physician, born with a severe, rare form of hemophilia,, for which he needed transfusions, as a kid. He tells of growing up in Pennsylvania with neighbors, whose religion disapproved of medical interventions, and would ring the doorbell, and yell that the family was going to go to Hell!
I'm sorry, but that is freakin' crazy!! Literally!
If someone wants to live according to fairy tales, as I have said before, go for it, but don't tell other people they have to adhere to your delusional picture of the world.
 

Mitchell D (81)
Thursday January 2, 2014, 7:13 pm
Gene, so wonderfully put!
Wasn't there a Christian sect (Gnostics, if memory serves) whose entire message was that Jesus was only about Love? The R.C. Church, a long time ago, declared them heretics!
Zee, that is the thing, again- no power in preaching brotherly love!
 

Sheila D (194)
Thursday January 2, 2014, 7:30 pm
There's an old saying about practicing what we preach. Too bad most organized religions don't follow this one. The world would be a much better place.
 

Helen Porter (39)
Thursday January 2, 2014, 11:21 pm
Mitchell D., I thank you for your response to my comment part of which was intended to lighten things up with a sense of humor.

I took a look at your page and was tempted to invite you to be my friend. Except I have had as many atheists insistently trying to convert me to their non belief as you have had Christians trying to convert you to their particular church's belief. I'm sick and tired of the attempts to change my belief into an atheist unbelief. I respect the atheist and his/her right to not believe and I expect them to allow me to keep my tested and tried relationship with my Creator. It works for me. Miracles sparkle through my life.

I do not know that you are an atheist. There were only certain indications as I read your page. So, if you're not an antagonistic atheist, which I do NOT assume....there's not enough evidence, I would be more likely to think you might possibly be an atheist, but I'm not convinced that you would try to convert me to unbelief.

I am pleased with your logic. I was delighted when you spoke of Universalism. There's a website Tent Maker, that deals with the concept of universal salvation which I share. I would invite anyone concerned that a loved one might be in hell to check out Tentmaker and find the Biblical evidences and teachings that nobody goes to hell forever.

Hell is here on Earth. Fits every definition...Earth is even run on fire...the sun. I think the teaching of hell is one of the most diabolical teachings ever invented. The Creator I know isn't worse than Hitler. But Constantine was.

I believe the greatest barrier between an individual and Creator is religion. I think if the Creator whom I know and love were to be asked, "What is your religion," He/She/It would respond "not religious....spiritual."

There is no atheist who could ever convince me that Creator is not real. I have too much evidence in my life of sprinkled miracles and these evidences are acknowledged by other people including medical doctors. I have x rays to prove the healings I've had.

Besides, YAH makes himself real to me. He's not an imaginary friend. My Creator creates too many effects in my life, real effects that amaze other people. To me, reality is that which creates a real effect in the physical universe which others can see and be aware of.....and he does...consistently.

An ethical believer, or non-believer should respect other people's belief or non belief and respect those people's choice if they intend to retain their own belief or non-belief.

I won't argue.

And I won't even respond.

Be happy,
Zee,
 

Helen Porter (39)
Thursday January 2, 2014, 11:31 pm
Oh, by the way heretic is defined as any teachings that is different from the church's teaching.

I qualify as a heretic. I CERTAINLY DO.

But I also believe in Yahshua. (Never called Jesus a day in his life). That's Greek.

There's an interesting site Heresy or Truth which I much enjoyed.
 

Mitchell D (81)
Friday January 3, 2014, 7:03 pm
Zee, since I can no longer send a direct message: I do not try to convert anyone. I try to present what I believe to be my reasoned point of view...with which anyone is welcome to disagree, and I will not damn them to hell for doing so! But, yes I am an atheist.
 

Helen Porter (39)
Friday January 3, 2014, 11:19 pm
Mitchell D
That's what I love about Care2: Atheists, Christians, Witches, Buddhists, Hindus and people like me who choose relationship and not religion.....we all work together side by side.

I respect atheists who don't feel they have to attack me. I am so glad you're a member of Care2.

LU V 2 U
and yours,

Zee
 

Mitchell D (81)
Saturday January 4, 2014, 2:42 pm
Cool, Zee.
Ethics is what it is all about, in so many ways and places.
 

Helen Porter (39)
Saturday January 4, 2014, 3:33 pm
I sincerely than you for your friend invitation.

I think you and I, though without intention, are providing an example of the message of this video.

I think it would be better to regretfully decline making the friend relationship legal, lol, at this time. Its not that I don't trust you. It's that I don't trust myself. And that I honor you. I confess, I love to argue and I'm good at it. One atheist said, "I'm not going to talk to you any more." Another atheist discontinued our relationship.
Both were extra intelligent men.

I delight in an intellectual argument. I've a feeling you do also. But I respect our Care2 relationship more than the fun of becoming a tiger in the ring!

We are already friends. We are Care2 active members.
 

SuSanne P (193)
Saturday January 4, 2014, 4:49 pm
Thank you my Dearest JL. This has touched me deeply and I intend on putting it on my page with shorts I always go back to listen one more time. To listen to when I'm feeling depleted by separation rather than unity. STAR!
 

Sheryl G (360)
Saturday January 4, 2014, 8:16 pm
Must be why I worked to get the Justice Party on the ticket here in Florida and voted for that Party.

Justice......I liked working towards that goal and I felt that was a good platform.

"We are all responsible for ensuring that our government truly supports life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Justice in the administration of government, now and in the future, will achieve greater prosperity for all, enhanced security, and a more peaceful, sustainable world." The Justice Party 2013

The Vision of the Justice Party is:

A peaceful nation and world where social, economic, and environmental justice prevails:

Social Justice: Every person's civil and human rights are protected. Everyone has the opportunity to obtain an excellent education from early childhood through college or trade school. Affordable and high-quality healthcare is available for everyone. Government is not controlled by wealthy corporations and individuals, but is truly of the people, by the people, and for the people.

Economic Justice: All people are provided opportunities for prosperity. Poverty is eliminated. The "middle class" is thriving. Economic protections are provided so that all members of society are secure and treated fairly.

Environmental Justice: The earth's inhabitants are safe from catastrophic, human-caused climate disruption. Nature is protected and preserved through sustainable practices. Our air, water, and land (and food supply) are clean and healthy.
Justice Party

Thanks for the video......
 

Helen Porter (39)
Sunday January 5, 2014, 2:00 pm
First the dream.....then the work.....then the reality!

Deam on creative dreamer
Dream on
 
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