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New Public Documents Reveal FBI Failed to Follow Secretive Domestic Drone Protocol

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In its audit of the Department of Justice's use of drones, the DOJ Office of Inspector General (OIG) revealed the FBI began deploying drones domestically in 2006.


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JL A (281)
Friday January 10, 2014, 3:24 pm
From CREW:
" CREW Begins Uncovering FBI's Plans for Domestic Drones

DronespacerLast November, following our Freedom of Information Act triumph over the FBI, we began receiving documents related to the bureau’s plans to use drones for domestic surveillance.

Although heavily redacted, what we’ve received so far confirms our suspicion that the government acted without sound legal footing for its domestic drone surveillance program. The bureau’s legal analysis fails to address the distinction between small unmanned drones and traditional manned aircraft, ignoring the potential threats to privacy posed by drones.

BREAKING: Newly Disclosed Documents Reveal FBI Failed to Follow Secretive Domestic Drone Protocol

View the FBI documents CREW has obtained so far
Blog: CREW Forces FBI to Release Documents on Domestic Drone Use"

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Deb E (63)
Friday January 10, 2014, 7:39 pm
This looks like a really good organization. Thanks for the article

Sherri G (128)
Friday January 10, 2014, 9:33 pm
TY JL - Our government is always violating what used to be a privacy rule. It doesn't exist anymore and it is just going to get worse each successive generation. Noted

Helen Porter (39)
Friday January 10, 2014, 11:38 pm
Accomplished lying and deceit is a requirement for government jobs.

Pogle S (88)
Saturday January 11, 2014, 1:56 am

Angela Marshall (14)
Saturday January 11, 2014, 3:49 am
Boom, boom!!

Past Member (0)
Saturday January 11, 2014, 7:39 am
Makes me question why the liberals want more and more government in our personal lives if what you have stated is true....lying and deceit is a requirement for government jobs. I happen to agree with your comments. Republicans believe in smaller government in our lives and fiscal responsibility. I hope I live long enough to see our country return to checks and balances and, of course, our privacy. Today, the government is in our bedrooms, at our dinner tables and in our schools indoctrinating our children and grandchildren and to top it off the political correctness crap needs to die a fast death.

JL A (281)
Saturday January 11, 2014, 8:49 am
The dates involved indicate this was completely during the Bush administration for those who didn't bother to read the article--Bush is the one to hold accountable and blame for this intrusion into our lives.

Sheila D (194)
Saturday January 11, 2014, 9:51 am
Did anyone seriously think the drones were only used in foreign countries? Suspected they'd be used here once I found out we were using them in other places. The Bill of Rights has been torn out of the Constitution, we no longer have the right to any semblence of privacy...even in our bathrooms.

Jason R (67)
Saturday January 11, 2014, 9:52 am
CREW has always rocked!

"Makes me question why the liberals want more and more government in our personal lives if what you have stated is true."

Here's the answer, Diane. Try to remember it…
Liberals want government to protect the people. Bigger government means less corporate power. Less government means less power of the people. This IS self evident.

You're smaller government just spilled a bunch of chemicals onto VA drinking water. Maybe now that your peeps went blue, you may enjoy more protections.

BS! "the government is in our bedrooms, at our dinner tables and in our schools indoctrinating our children and grandchildren"

There is no one in your house!!! Look!!! No one there!!!

Jason R (67)
Saturday January 11, 2014, 10:01 am
Your report has been submitted to Customer Service. Thank you.
GOP Troll

Guess who.

Colleen L (3)
Saturday January 11, 2014, 12:37 pm
Not surprised one bit. These clowns are no different than other government agencies, who don't go by the ruled. Thanks JL

Mary Donnelly (47)
Saturday January 11, 2014, 12:47 pm

Past Member (0)
Saturday January 11, 2014, 12:48 pm
The FBI, like many of our 'agencies', went rogue decades ago.

Angelika R (143)
Saturday January 11, 2014, 1:04 pm
Give them ALL THE BOOT! thx Judi! WHAT "political correctness"??? there IS NONE-that i could see-just LIES ALL OVER-NOT depending what ruling party! but we can rightly assume with a "Lord Willard style govt" there's be even MORE LIES- they already showed it and keep showing it!

Theodore Shayne (56)
Saturday January 11, 2014, 1:06 pm
Noted & posted

Angelika R (143)
Saturday January 11, 2014, 1:07 pm
Gosh-are these broken record sounding same old same old talking points ANNOYING ! apart from their baselessness!

Jason R (67)
Saturday January 11, 2014, 1:10 pm
Diane et al. Understand this.

We point out the lies, then point to the self evidence and you say, no. I'm not going to look at it. This is why you are trolls. You're so biased that you're no longer human like.

Jason R (67)
Saturday January 11, 2014, 1:14 pm
Robert…all of them. MIC, CIA, NSA, FBI, local police. They will all break the law and or take your civil rights away in the name of the boogy man.

Past Member (0)
Saturday January 11, 2014, 1:34 pm
Obama's drone fascination:

"President Obama's latest executive order allows for the killing by drone strikes of American citizens abroad. The administration attempts to find its justification for this in American law: a targeted U.S. citizen has to have recently been involved in terrorist activities and pose "an imminent threat of violent attack against the United States." Although many national security advisers do not disagree with this tactic, they do have some reservations.

Former CIA Director Michael Hayden told American Thinker he believes that the issue should be not killing those who take up arms against the U.S., including American citizens, but rather the hypocrisy of it all. "President Obama in 2008 ran against President Bush's first term while Obama after 2008 governs against terrorism like Bush's second term. They are doing the right thing, but the sin here is pretending it's different from what they inherited, and it is not. Sometimes lawful isn't sufficient in a democracy. Although I am quite comfortable with the legal rationale, based on my past experiences, programs like these require long-term, broad-based political support."

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Yes, you point out the lies so why aren't you nailing Obama for lying to the American people about Obamacare when thousands lost their private healthcare insurance? You are "selective" in whose lies you point out.

Send an email to Obama and ask him why he loves the drones and tell him to stop the entire program. LOL!


Birgit W (160)
Saturday January 11, 2014, 1:55 pm
If our governments would have to go to jail for all their lying and crimes, we would be out of politicians already.

JL A (281)
Saturday January 11, 2014, 2:00 pm
The topic of this article is the domestic drone program implemented under the Bush administration without following the rules. You have a point Jason that comments that are not on the article's topic is a sign of "troll" especially when additional off-topic comments are posted. This is about the FBI "going rogue" as some of the astute and knowledgeable people commenting here have pointed out.

Gloria H (88)
Saturday January 11, 2014, 2:08 pm
I the purist sense government FOR the people, By the people wouldnt be bad.
A corporate government would BUY the people.
We the people are BUYING into the fear and need for spies in the air,in every cereal box and nudging the-thing-that-lives-under-the bed into being homeless when the drones take over it's hiding spot for "our own good".
There is a happy medium once we wake from the trance.Thank God for whistleblowers and the few politicians who are willing to represent the people even if they have to sit by themselves at the lunch table.

Past Member (0)
Saturday January 11, 2014, 2:18 pm
Of course it is about George W. Bush!! The thread title is about drones. I'm commenting on drones. You failed to mention that Obama has a love affair with drones. That was an oversight on your part. So, now we have the whole story....Bush likes drones and Obama likes drones.

Past Member (0)
Saturday January 11, 2014, 2:20 pm
Gloria, love your head gear. Obama's drones have murdered innocent people. GWB's drones are considered "spying" by the liberals. Huge difference. It would suit me fine if we all sent Obama emails telling him to stop the drone activity by the FBI and by the CIA. Works for me.

Jason R (67)
Saturday January 11, 2014, 2:26 pm
Diane. You are looking at the power the MIC has over every one. Your man, Eisenhower warned us about that power. The MIC is backed by the FBI and CIA. All rogue. If Obama goes soft, the right would eat him like the hostage he is.

JL A (281)
Saturday January 11, 2014, 2:35 pm
There is no evidence the military overseas drone program does not conform to the rules established yet like this evidence on the domestic program that also has been found to violate the constitution in court. Those are the issues here in this thread with this article, not the hardware.

Past Member (0)
Saturday January 11, 2014, 2:52 pm
"“The Europeans are torn between a reluctance to accuse Obama of breaking international law and an unwillingness to endorse his policies, divided in part among themselves and in some cases bound by close intelligence relationships to the U.S.” Mr. Dworkin said.

Security analysts say such reluctance to forge a common stance is shortsighted. If the European Union bases its foreign policy on human rights and the rule of law, then the member states should agree that a legal framework is needed rather than a free-for-all system."

Give it time, JL A.

You cannot control what Care 2 members say on a thread topic. You've placed yourself on a public forum. My suggestion to you would be to start a "Mensa Group" on Care 2 so that you can screen the members so that no one opposes or gives a different point of view within your group.

You simply cannot control what other people say on a public forum. We've been through this before. It is not only fair, but important, to understand that the activities of our FBI have been more than questionable since J. Edgar Hoover.

Sorry, JL A, wish I could help you out on this one but I hope in the future you have a clear understanding of what a public forum is and that you accept that you will have opposing views. I'll take the person who exhibits common sense and exercises their freedom of speech without personally attacking someone simply because they have an opposing view.

Jason, Obama is yesterday's news. By the way, you are off topic according to JL A. Have you been flagged?

Jason R (67)
Saturday January 11, 2014, 2:59 pm
Diane, the only difference in the programs is, Obama resists. A republican wouldn't.

Right. I'm just saying, they are all connected but appear to operate independently. A wink, wink network, if you will. We can't put the rogues in check with this many republican votes.

JL A (281)
Saturday January 11, 2014, 3:05 pm
Thanks Jason--I am sorry some posting feel they know so little about the topic posted that they have to do personal.attacks against others to keep commenting and thus show disrespect to the entire Care2 community. I understand Jason that you believe the MIC links all uses of the technology to those making money with it. You have provided a rationale for how your comment is on topic whilesaying it is all the same hardware is like saying a comment on any journalist is appropriate on an article related to one specific journalist's actions without providing any such link to the topic--incomplete thinking and analysis any middle school teacher would find unacceptable these days (not MENSA level at all).

Past Member (0)
Saturday January 11, 2014, 3:08 pm
Nice save, Jason. I didn't want you to get flagged for being so off topic. By the way, Obama doesn't resist anything from where I sit. Now I'm off topic responding to your off topic comment addressed to me...oh what a tangled web we weave exercising our freedom of speech in this...the United States of America.

Exactly...we cannot put the rogues in check because quite frankly I think both the democrats and republicans love the drones....huge fascination with the drones. This is precisely why the FBI and yes the CIA enjoy an open table. When there are no consequences to questionable behavior then obviously questionable behavior doesn't exist.


Roger G (148)
Saturday January 11, 2014, 3:21 pm
noted, thanks

Jonathan H (0)
Saturday January 11, 2014, 3:35 pm

JL A (281)
Saturday January 11, 2014, 3:43 pm
Thanks for finally posting an on topic comment Diane--I suspect you once again failed to read the post before you began commenting, which is a mistake students often make in elementary school when writing their first essays--not reading the prompt.
You are welcome Roger, Jonathan, Angelika, Mary, Colleen, Sherri and Deb. Stars sent for those whose comments were respectful, on-topic and otherwise appropriate to this discussion; thank you all for the multitude of stars received for my comments here. I am sorry if the venom displayed and/or expected has prevented any of you who visited this thread from commenting like you may have wanted.

Lois Jordan (63)
Saturday January 11, 2014, 4:00 pm
Noted. Thanks, JL. Hope I'm not off-topic, but I've read many articles over the past several months that there are (unmanned) drones spying on the US-Mexican border. I protested this as soon as I read about it, because I knew it would just be a stepping stone to more drones inside the U.S.
BTW, the immigration bill passed by the Senate funds MANY more drones on the border....which is extremely costly to us taxpayers. With the immigration flow at "net zero" this is ridiculous to me. As far as the drug flow across the border, they can actually do more with the manpower they already have from the alphabet soup of agencies.....and it's much more cost effective.

Past Member (0)
Saturday January 11, 2014, 4:27 pm
Many of us receive green stars for our comments on Care 2 but when you have to remind members of your self importance it somehow loses its luster.

I'll leave it there and let you go back to your archaic Bush bashing. As Hillary stated after four Americans were murdered in Benghazi..."what difference DOES it make?" Bush hasn't been the president in over 6 years.

Case closed.


Patsy Olive (0)
Saturday January 11, 2014, 4:54 pm
I will agree with you 100% Jason.

JL A (281)
Saturday January 11, 2014, 5:02 pm
But you chose to send multiple to me Diane--that suggests you may be painting me with your own characteristics according to many research studies in psychology or else are just seeking attention.

For those that do not recognize an inappropriate use of a word I provide the definition from Merriam Webster:
adjective \är-ˈkā-ik\

: old and no longer used

: old and no longer useful

: of or relating to ancient times

CREW is working to rectify something that is wrong in the FBI and policy that is current--the case has just begun and is far from closed (the subject of this article).

Past Member (0)
Saturday January 11, 2014, 5:26 pm
You have the floor, JL A. Convince your liberal fans that CREW is unbiased politically. They are a start up politically left wing motivated group. How they can receive sensitive information and the American people cannot get the truth is something you'll have to explain to your liberal fans....the green star senders. Tell them about CREW and why they are receiving special information that the rest of us cannot tap into. What makes them special to our Obama administration?

JL A (281)
Saturday January 11, 2014, 5:28 pm
Lois, you were on topic and one really hopes those domestic drones at the border followed protocol in implementation as one hopes even stronger protocols would be required and monitored if Amazon is permitted to begin delivering orders with drones.

Ken O (55)
Saturday January 11, 2014, 5:48 pm
Wow, FBI not following the rules? There's a surprise.

JL A (281)
Saturday January 11, 2014, 5:54 pm
Any citizen can file a FOIA request like CREW did Diane. It is a method to allow citizens to hold government accountable to the law.

Such a request was the beginning of what led to CREW's suit (another article posted) against AETNA on behalf of shareholders whose rights were violated when AETNA failed to provide legally required disclosures.

CREW stands for citizens for responsibility and ethics in Washington:
"CREW uses high-impact legal actions to target government officials who sacrifice the common good to special interests.
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Many Americans have given up on our political system, writing off our elected leaders as crooks. At CREW, we believe politicians must be held accountable for their actions. Day in and day out, we work to ensure government officials -regardless of party affiliation- act with honesty and integrity and merit the public trust.

Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington (CREW) is a nonprofit 501(c)(3) organization dedicated to promoting ethics and accountability in government and public life by targeting government officials who sacrifice the common good to special interests.

We advance our mission using a combination of research, litigation and media outreach. CREW employs the law as a tool to force officials to act ethically and lawfully and to bring unethical conduct to the public’s attention through:

Freedom of Information Act Requests
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Requests for Investigations

By marrying in-depth research and investigation with hard-charging legal action and an aggressive communications strategy, we accomplish our goals. Our efforts are augmented by building coalitions to push for policies favoring transparency and accountability. To garner support for our efforts, we use all mediums of the modern media — television, radio, print, and social networking —to maximize coverage of our work.

It’s always easier to tear something down than to build it up, and building a better Washington is no different. We firmly believe, however, that a small group of committed citizens can change the world; it is the only thing that ever has."

They have gone after ethical and legal violations of both parties--if they appear liberal, it must be that more violations exist in one party vs. another that no one in power is doing anything about (I've noted they don't touch things Issa's committee is working on, for example, which has been exclusively towards DEMs thus probably skewing things). Anyone can peruse their site and see that at a glance.

Angelika R (143)
Saturday January 11, 2014, 6:28 pm
" When there are no consequences to questionable behavior then obviously questionable behavior doesn't exist. "-WOW-as can be seen with the bank frauds, yep!
Drones-I wonder if AMAZON will have to follow any protocol? "all wing wing network"-you bet! And I bet their soon to be employed delivery drones can do more than deliver goods and packages!

JL A (281)
Saturday January 11, 2014, 6:32 pm
Excellent catch of an elementary violation of basic logic Angelika! Given the reports of less than ideal accuracy of drone targets, I wonder who Amazon would deliver my orders to (should I use them)...I think I could write a comedy sketch with the wonderful images you've created that would make Fantasia look like reality Angelika!

Angelika R (143)
Saturday January 11, 2014, 6:34 pm
Judi- I hope you believe me when i say i only saw your comment mentioning AMAZON NOW,, AFTER I had submitted mine-speaks for itself i guess :)

Angelika R (143)
Saturday January 11, 2014, 6:43 pm
Too bad Diane left us before learning about CREW-but then I assume any non profit 501 might smell "too liberal" for her..? The word NON PROFIT alone might just turn her off.

JL A (281)
Saturday January 11, 2014, 6:50 pm
No problem Angie--I thought the Amazon part needed to be present here to remind people of what more might hang on this investigation and efforts to address either by government or by CREW.
But Karl Rove and the Koch brothers have non-profits (and might be among those that surface in CREW's action related to the IRS doing their job) Angelika...
Those that follow and read the news may recall how last term, as a part of transparency efforts, data on FOIA requests, time to process, delays, denials, etc. were collected and reported to the public with reports of audits at some agencies of denials resulting in release of information and monitoring of the process continues. I have no doubt that the issue was one CREW was on top of at the time, too.

Jason R (67)
Saturday January 11, 2014, 8:41 pm
They seem liberal because all the ethics violations come from the right.

JL A (281)
Saturday January 11, 2014, 9:23 pm
Please join me in flagging spam (Patricia Wallace at 9:21 pm)

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Johann S (120)
Thursday January 16, 2014, 7:32 am
The FBI has repeatedly since its founding shown that it cannot be trusted and yet this is where we want our most trustworthy people.
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