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Larry
- 1717 days ago - warisacrime.org
Peaceful way to solve a war situation is to go back and look at the causes and discuss them with the offending party, get down to the roots of the trouble, and arrange for justice and remediation..



   

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Fiona Ogilvie (562)
Friday September 5, 2014, 9:33 am
Thank you, Larry, for posting this great article..

The US should start apologizing now....in order to apologize to every Iraqi family for everything in Iraq we have destroyed since..................it must be decades if we include all the years of economic sanctions and the infamous no fly zone.
 

Kay M (46)
Friday September 5, 2014, 10:06 am
Good Morning Dear Betsy--- Thank you so much for this article and bringing it to our attention--- We would not have the problem of ISIS ---If George Bush and all of his lying partners - had not gone into IIraq to steal their oil and destroy their country all for DICK CHENEY'S GREED HIM AND HALLIBURTON are the reason ISIS rose up against America --- So put them on the spot and make them admit their guilt EVERY SOLDIER that has died and every reporter that has been murdered is because of GEORGE BUSH and DICK CHENEY--- SHAME ON THEM - they have a lot to answer for----Sincerely Kay M.
 

Angelika R (143)
Friday September 5, 2014, 10:09 am
Thx! I read this before. That's the way that desastrous game goes, the monster they helped create now comes back to bite them -and all others along the road.
I approve of all the 15 points there but, sadly we know the US isn't going to do any of that, rather the opposite, they never learn in their hegemonial mania!
 

Larry S (6)
Friday September 5, 2014, 10:14 am
I am sorry to think how many Americans would say, "Apologize for what ? ? ?" We must concentrate on increasing human enlightenment. Certainly have lots to work with here!
 

Angelika R (143)
Friday September 5, 2014, 10:15 am
From The Caliphate vs. everyone else:
Are there clear losers? One, I suspect, is the United States. Unless the Caliphate were to crumble in the near future (something that seems most unlikely), this military effort will soon expose once again the limits of U.S. military abilities as well as the inconsistency of their public positions concerning Iraq, Palestine, and Ukraine. And Obama will have lost his biggest claim to geopolitical achievement. The U.S. public supports success, not a quagmire.
 

Angelika R (143)
Friday September 5, 2014, 10:21 am
Blaming it ALL on the Bush administration isn't going to cut it, sorry. Obama hasn't acted much differently, often as bad or worse and Larry is quite right in assessing the general American public, hardly used to thinking for themselves and buying into every propaganda Wash. and the complicit media offers them.
 

Ana MESNER (201)
Friday September 5, 2014, 10:29 am
Thank you for posting.
 

Arielle S (313)
Friday September 5, 2014, 10:40 am
There are no winners in war. Only those who are left.
 

Jim Phillips (3247)
Friday September 5, 2014, 10:44 am
I'm still waiting on bushy, cheney to be tried in the Hague for war crimes and
crimes against humanity...

ty, Larry.
.
 

Heidi Walderra (163)
Friday September 5, 2014, 10:52 am
Noted. Thank you.
 

Larry S (6)
Friday September 5, 2014, 11:06 am
Ending war may be the best argument to retire males. There is useful stuff they could do at home. Then the important management positions could be filled by women with the talent for them. People will laugh . . .
 

Past Member (0)
Friday September 5, 2014, 11:44 am
Noted
 

Gene J (287)
Friday September 5, 2014, 11:49 am
I have no problem with US leaders being prosecuted for war crimes. Including those they commit under deep cover. I have no problem with ending military aid and replacing it with humanitarian aid though I know the argument will come from our weapons manufacturers that if we don't, Russia or China will and then they'll have all the influence in that region of the world. I don't care. Why can't we become known as a nation of peace and spend our money on proving it. We can defend ourselves, I have no problem with that either. But I don't want surrogate wars fought - I was a "victim" of one such myself in Viet Nam. If that puts a region of the world at odds with us, so be it. I'd rather we be Quakers than Death Dealers. It has to start somewhere, why not with us, why not now? Mend our wicked ways and make war no more forever. All it takes is a choice. One we should make now.
 

Jeannet B (74)
Friday September 5, 2014, 12:29 pm
noted, thanks Larry
 

Tamera Dolcini (16)
Friday September 5, 2014, 12:53 pm
There is one big problem with the whole idea of going back, finding the cause of the problem and working out a peaceful solution to it. The problem is that these people fully believe that Islam is the only true religion and that they are serving God by taking over the world and forcing EVERYONE to EITHER ACCEPT ISLAM (and only their interpretation of Islam) AS THE ONLY TRUE RELIGION OR DIE! I can't speak for anyone else, but I am a Vaishnava. I serve Śrī Śrī Radha-Mādhava, I follow the Vedic teachings, and I would die before I would ever consider converting, just as my brothers and sisters did in the Soviet Union did before they tried putting them in prison, which also failed to change their beliefs or stop the spread of Krishna Conciousness!

Let's get real. I don't have a problem with those who willingly follow Islam so long as they recognize that they must recognize my right to worship as I see fit. I'm more than willing to. Learn about Islam and have a copy of the Quran, as well as several versions of the Holy Bible. There is truth in all religion, but religion was a creation of man. I am a member of a culture completely regulated by spirituality. There is nothing higher, nor more complete, but neither I nor any other Vaishnava is going to say convert or die as we were given a small degree of free will, just as He has free will. He really wants us to serve Him out of love, not duty or fear, and to do so not expecting to receive anything in return for doing so.
 

Tamera Dolcini (16)
Friday September 5, 2014, 1:02 pm
As far as who is to blame for all this, it is obvious that we, meaning the US, created the Islamic State as well as Al Quida. Yes, every single person involved in the suptrifuge which led to this should be prosecuted and punished for treason. But that isn't going to change today's situation in any way. We have one or three or four very unwanted wars on our hands and it's time to quit playing games. Either go in and finish them or get out and hope that it all doesn't come back on us. The problem there is that, eventually it will and we will then be far worse off than we are today.
 

Lois Jordan (63)
Friday September 5, 2014, 1:13 pm
Noted. Many thanks for posting, Larry. I agree 100% will all the items mentioned. A Dept. of Peace would work nicely here. All of this waste of our tax dollars on war must stop immediately. Unfortunately, the military-corporate-industrial complex has the support of too much of Congress. We need practically a whole new Congress to push any of this through; and also publicly financed elections, so the Corporate WarMakers can't buy off our representatives' votes.
 

Birgit W (160)
Friday September 5, 2014, 1:29 pm
Thanks for sharing Larry.
 

. (0)
Friday September 5, 2014, 1:54 pm
Thanks for the article.
 

JL A (281)
Friday September 5, 2014, 1:59 pm
Efforts for creatjng a Dept. of Peace go back many decades--one needs to know that the definition of peace goes beyond an absence of war. Great post Larry--thanks!
 

Angelika R (143)
Friday September 5, 2014, 2:06 pm
That is true Jl and we have seen several repeated petitions for its installment here during the past years, obviously to no avail. If the elites had figured out a way how to make $$$ of peace, the world would be at peace in a heartbeat.
 

Don H (45)
Friday September 5, 2014, 2:11 pm
Noted. Thank you, Larry.

Every time I try to read one of these "controversial" articles my computer suffers from internet connection issues. The connection always fails when it's an article the US Government would rather not be disseminated.

I am 100% serious.
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Friday September 5, 2014, 2:30 pm

It seems we all agree on who're the ones who created the Syrian "rebels" cum ISIS cum IS so there's no need to pound on that point.

What I believe is interesting to see is the fact that it is somehow confirmed by Obama that IS is a monster created by them which went out of hand and has taken on a life of its own ... or maybe not? Maybe what they're doing is after all intention in order to "secure vital interests in and of the region"?

Looking at the fact that Obama and Cameron are trying to create an alliance to fight IS and ultimately destroy it - a rebel group which is obviously equipped with top of the art communication tech unlike the cavemen of Al Qaida - doesn't really tally with the fact that Obama at the same time warns every country to interfere in Libya; a country which is in total chaos and having IS on one side of the divide.

So ... why do we need an alliance to fight IS ... yet on the other hand Obama warns everybody NOT to fight IS in Libya? What kind of dirty games is going on here again?

Just thinking aloud ...
 

Abo r (107)
Friday September 5, 2014, 2:38 pm
Thank you, Larry, for posting and to you my freind Betsy for getting attention and forwarding ..
Noted .
Yes WAR IS A CRIME and SILENCE IS A CRIME AS IT SUPPORTS THE CRIMINALS AND ENCOURAGE THEM TO CONTINUE ... Those who keep silent are criminals as the criminals themselves .
All solutions are nonsense if it does not go deep to the real cause of the clashes or the problems so always there must be a real solution to the core of the problem as war or clashes or attacks have a real cause the hidden one not the declared or claimed one.
If a person has headach for example search for the cause of the headach and put solution give the treatment not to give analgestic as paracetamol each time.
 

Gerry W (0)
Friday September 5, 2014, 2:42 pm
Look after your own country instead of wasting trillions of US dollars on warefare and bankrupting America. Let these backward countries become extinct if they seem fit to continually do and enjoy warfare.
 

Angelika R (143)
Friday September 5, 2014, 2:46 pm
Eleonora, you rarely ever goof when thinking aloud! Excellent observations and suspicions that I would share.
How many times now have the US tricked and fooled the world?
 

Roger G (148)
Friday September 5, 2014, 3:14 pm
noted, thanks
 

Justin Vale (13)
Friday September 5, 2014, 3:46 pm
eleonora
 

Anette S (17)
Friday September 5, 2014, 3:58 pm
noted
 

Nelson Baker (0)
Friday September 5, 2014, 4:24 pm
Looks like you are ok with ISIS continuing in their barbaric ways.
 

Past Member (0)
Friday September 5, 2014, 5:18 pm
Although this sums up some things there are many others that come in to play. For instance right now here in Michigan there is a Muslim preacher in Dearborn talking about fighting for ISIS. On his mind is just killing to kill. I really wonder if anyone in any of these countries truly want peace because if they did they have a damned strange way of showing it. The sad thing is all countries can and have been barbaric. Very sad.
 

Debbie Hogan (115)
Friday September 5, 2014, 9:07 pm
:::sighs::: In a perfect world...., which this is far from being. But yes, this nation has a lot to make up for. Will it ever happen? Time will tell....
 

Mandi T (367)
Friday September 5, 2014, 9:41 pm
Thank you for the post.
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Friday September 5, 2014, 10:54 pm

Debbie - this is where I absolutely fail to understand why countries do not invoke their laws and get this "idiot" arrested. What's wrong with your systems? Wherever I live I have to respect the laws - if not I should pay the price. Easy ... is it not?

At least here in Egypt our new government has taken strict steps to curb the bearded retards. Among other measures is anyone not adhering to the given prayer sermon on Friday's prayer (equal to Sunday mass in case you're not familiar with the Islamic set-up) gets a free journey out of the job and into the slammers. And yes, the government has been under attack by the US and the UK for not treating them nicely ... !!! Thankfully our government doesn't always respect other countries comments ... As Cameron (UK PM) said a few months ago ... the Muslimbrothers are a minority and DESERVE our protection!! Go figure ...

And make no mistake - the entire Muslim world has condemned IS(IS) as NOT being Islamic and/or Muslims. These killer mob has nothing at all to do with any religion but they are just that - paid mercenaries. Follow their creation (I call it: read their birth certificate), their funding, training, arming and their blood trail after they had outlived their "service" in Syria and you'll understand the picture.

Stay safe and if you live in Michigan go and push your politician(s) to take a firm stand and act!! Don't sit on your mouth or on your hands! This is incitement to kill and for all I know it's also punishable in the US.

 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Friday September 5, 2014, 10:55 pm

Justin???? What did you want to tell me??
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Friday September 5, 2014, 10:59 pm

Hi Angelika - umpteen times and the world still doesn't want to see or admit it! I assume it's either too uncomfortable or it suits them after all and despite the hoopla we sometimes hear!

You're doing fine at "goofing" too - LOL. You were thinking aloud the other day about one of the beneficiaries of the oil exports under IS' control; well them sitting peacefully since years in Baghdad under protection of the Big Brother ... it shouldn't come as a surprise. Also remember the oil pipeline project in the drawer (half way out of the drawer actually) which will have the end terminal in Haifa.

Happy "goofing" my dear friend and stay safe!
 

Hugh Smith (112)
Friday September 5, 2014, 11:18 pm
Fight for the rights of the voiceless be their voice.
Stand up and be noticed , be counted , your opinions matter.
Don't let the deeds of the evil outweigh those of the righteous.
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Friday September 5, 2014, 11:39 pm

Would anyone like to hear a sad joke?

We know as of this morning that the US managed in their meeting in Wales to get a "coalition" of (for now) 10 countries together ... one of the 10 musketeers is ... TURKEY ... of all. That's where the IS-killers got their training at the hands of the US, Turkey and Israel ... now is this a joke or is this a joke?

Why does the laugher get stuck in my throat??

 

Past Member (0)
Saturday September 6, 2014, 12:25 am
This is what becomes of trying to be the worlds policeman.
 

Larry S (6)
Saturday September 6, 2014, 4:21 am
We have to mind our own business when it's a matter of forcing issues; but we must not forget to be compassionate with those who have not had a chance. Capitalism has it rigged (see Thomas Piketty's recent book) so that the nation-suppliers of exploitable materials and labor stay that way. In a way, the powerful have cut off the bootstraps of the undeveloped. We can and must help them, but a couple trillion for weapons helps no one. Power to the people has to mean the end of capitalism-imperialism. May we be guided!
 

Larry S (6)
Saturday September 6, 2014, 4:29 am
I don't want us to over-generalize about Islam. Islam spans from Sufi mystics to power-mad fundamentalists, just as do Christianity, Judaism, and perhaps others I know less of. The problem I see with religion is when people slip into ideology, self-righteousness, and the love of power. So many of our great leaders, religious and secular, have seen that and said so. My Liberation Theology favorite, Francis, distinguishes clearly between ideology and religion. It's a wicked slippery slope when we decide what other people need to realize. Lev Tolstoy decided to pick up his maddock, as if a cross, and work. Another of my heroes . . .
 

Larry S (6)
Saturday September 6, 2014, 4:39 am
ISIS reminds me of the gangs of Anglo-American thugs patrolling our Desert Southwest with guns to "protect us" from illegal immigrants from the South. Estimates on the body count vary. Walt Kelly commented (Oh, you're too young!), "We have met the enemy . . . and they are us." Weeping helps us momentarily, and then we have to get to work and be our best, happy selves. I think it's the best we have to offer. The hard things are so simple, and I reckon that as part of our confusion.
 

Larry S (6)
Saturday September 6, 2014, 4:50 am
I have been wondering and wondering what's got into Obama and Cameron, especially since my big surprise in 2009, after working in two states beside my own to get Obama elected. I wonder if Obama and Cameron imagine they can serve the needs of big money and "do the right thing" at the same time. Some sort of disjunct in my view. I love and recommend the 2005 book by David S. Korten, "The Great Turning : From Empire to Earth Community" Ten years has only burnished it. Rest In Peace, Joanna Macy!
 

Sandra Penna (135)
Saturday September 6, 2014, 4:56 am
noted, thank you, Larry.
 

Angelika R (143)
Saturday September 6, 2014, 5:49 am
"Why does the laugher get stuck in my throat?? " -or in mine! - there's indeed nothing to laugh about and will the world even notice that Obama's signature achievement of"ending the war in Iraq " herewith became null and void?
And including Poland in that coalition smells to me like a preparation for another big fight- direction Russia. They have LOST THEIR MINDS !
 

Maria Teresa Schollhorn (42)
Saturday September 6, 2014, 6:06 am
Noted. Thank you.
 

David C (75)
Saturday September 6, 2014, 8:34 am
war is a crime........absolutely.....
 

Edwin M (346)
Saturday September 6, 2014, 9:33 am
Thank you Larry and thank you Betsy for the forward
 

Freya H (345)
Saturday September 6, 2014, 11:20 am
Hopeful thoughts - but one should always offer the olive branch first.

The best way to combat ISIS and bugnuts like them is to provide humanitarian aid. Also, we need to stop coddling Israel.
 

Caitlin M (104)
Saturday September 6, 2014, 7:05 pm
Many excellent thoughts here. I appreciate Larry's POV and thank him for posting this. And thanks to Betsy for the advert!
 

Craig Pittman (52)
Sunday September 7, 2014, 6:00 pm
You have initiated a great discussion here Larry. Thanks.
 
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