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Apolonia
- 3036 days ago - thekf.org
Poland was the only country whose citizens suffered the death penalty for rescuing Jews. American educated journalists must know these facts and not cross the libel threshold of malice by using often phrase such as "Polish concentration camps."



   

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SusanNoMailPls D (30)
Monday November 1, 2010, 9:16 am
Noted and shared..Thank you Apolonia
 

Susan Ayres-Lynch (126)
Monday November 1, 2010, 9:27 am
Thank you, Apolonia. My brother-in-law's parents were both survivors of the Polish camps. Their families were decimated, with only his mother surviving on one side and only his father and an uncle surviving on the other. Sadly, the link to this petition is not working for me, but I'll try again later to see if it will.
 

Kit B (276)
Monday November 1, 2010, 9:43 am
Oops! Internet Explorer could not connect to www.thekf.org
 

Angelika R (143)
Monday November 1, 2010, 9:46 am
...neither can Moz Firefox :-// , noted, thx.
 

Angelika R (143)
Monday November 1, 2010, 9:49 am
"Resource not found." Too bad, would certainly sign that one! We are so glad here to finally have made friends again with our Polish neighbors.
 

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Monday November 1, 2010, 9:52 am
unable to connect....
 

Krasimira B (175)
Monday November 1, 2010, 9:54 am
Unable to connect, noted.
 

Nancy L (141)
Monday November 1, 2010, 10:09 am
Works fine for me.
 

Lena Rehberger (109)
Monday November 1, 2010, 10:22 am
Done. Thanks for sharing!
 

Sharon Richardson (9)
Monday November 1, 2010, 10:25 am
Happy you gave me this opportunity to sign. Netscape/AOL took me to the site. thanks Apolonia
 

Stephen Sydebotham (74)
Monday November 1, 2010, 10:25 am
Noted and shared.
 

Apolonia P (392)
Monday November 1, 2010, 10:30 am
" WHEREAS the media uses the historically erroneous terms "Polish concentration camp" and "Polish death camp" to describe Auschwitz and other Nazi extermination camps built by the Germans during World War II, which confuses impressionable and undereducated readers, leading them to believe that the Holocaust was executed by Poland, rather than Nazi Germany,

WHEREAS these phrases are Holocaust revisionism that desecrate the memories of six million Jews from 27 countries who were murdered by Nazi Germany,

WHEREAS Poland was the first country invaded by Germany, and the only country whose citizens suffered the death penalty for rescuing Jews, yet never surrendered during six years of German occupation, even though one-sixth of its population was killed in the war, approximately half of which was Christian,

WHEREAS educated journalists must know these facts and not cross the libel threshold of malice by using phrases such as "Polish concentration camps."

BE IT THEREFORE RESOLVED that the undersigned demand that The New York Times, The Wall Street Journal, The Washington Post, and the Associated Press, include entries in their stylebooks requiring news stories to be historically accurate, using the official name of all "German concentration camps in Nazi-occupied Poland," as UNESCO did in 2007 when it named the camp in Auschwitz, "The Auschwitz-Birkenau German Nazi Concentration and Extermination Camp (1940-1945)."

For those who can't connect once again direct link to the petition of The Kosciusko Foundation: http://www.thekf.org/events/news/petition .
 

Ricardo C (66)
Monday November 1, 2010, 10:51 am
It doesn't matter whether if the concentration camp was in the Moon or Mars, we must call it by its rightful name: Nazi Concentration Death Camps!
 

Michele Sellman (59)
Monday November 1, 2010, 10:54 am
Noted, thank you. We need to keep getting the word out, keep supporting each other.
 

Sanja T (154)
Monday November 1, 2010, 10:58 am
noted... and signed
 

Sheryl G (359)
Monday November 1, 2010, 11:16 am
Thank you for your support on this important matter.

If you don't see your name immediately, please do not sign again. Your name will appear within 20 minutes.

Thank you for giving me the opportunity to sign this. Words have power and we must be careful to use the correct words in all situations. The news journalist have a special place in society to promote the correct terms, not erroneous ones. The public at large learn from their news papers and it is important that the news is offered in it's correct version. Those of us at a certain age, do understand what is meant by the incorrect term, but the youth who are growing up, with the decades between actual event and today, may not understand this. It is important that they do understand clearly and this is done by using the proper terms. Besides the Polish people were not the ones who devised the camps nor ran them, they were victimized too.
 

Jenny Dooley (830)
Monday November 1, 2010, 11:50 am
signed, noted and shared, thank you apolonia
 

JustaHuman Here (53)
Monday November 1, 2010, 11:51 am
Without historical knowledge you don't see a diktatorship even when it is killing you.
 

TERRANCE N (65)
Monday November 1, 2010, 12:20 pm
signed and noted. Thank you Apolonia.
 

Hans Mueller (591)
Monday November 1, 2010, 12:21 pm
The Kosciusko Foundation Petition (click here)
 

Barbara K (61)
Monday November 1, 2010, 12:27 pm
Thanks, my friend. We must educate the young, the teens and the college kids, as they don't know what really happened with those death camps. Just watching Texas re-write history tells us that we cannot trust what will be in our students' school books will even be the true history.
 

Michael Carney (217)
Monday November 1, 2010, 12:32 pm
Signed, and noted...I just pray, there's never any more camps like this, or the ones like them...
 

Brian M (0)
Monday November 1, 2010, 12:33 pm
signed

worked fine for me using IE
 

Penelope Ryan (178)
Monday November 1, 2010, 12:41 pm
Absolutely, I do not blame anyone for not wanting to be blamed or identified as a perpetrator in the holocast. I had no prolem with the link and signed. Thanks Apolonia
 

Cindy C (125)
Monday November 1, 2010, 12:44 pm
OH MY GOD AND I HAVE SIGNED IT
 

Carol H (229)
Monday November 1, 2010, 12:47 pm
thanks , signed and noted
 

Angelika R (143)
Monday November 1, 2010, 12:51 pm
Thank you for your support on this important matter. Thanks again Apolonia, access this time, it was important to me as well.
I was not aware the US media termed this wrongly but I'm not a bit surprized about it either...
 

Vukan Simic (121)
Monday November 1, 2010, 1:06 pm
Noted & forvarded, thanks Apolonia.
 

Sandrea S (278)
Monday November 1, 2010, 1:12 pm
I agree, this is very important. Noted and Signed!
 

Ana F (128)
Monday November 1, 2010, 1:17 pm
firmamos todos en mi familia, cada uno con su direccion. De los campos de concenytracion nazis, solo se puede decir
 

Caitlin M (104)
Monday November 1, 2010, 1:17 pm
If there's one thing I've learned in this life, it's that one has to believe the people who suffer the effects about what terminology to use to them. For instance, many "blacks" prefer to be called African American. That's too cumbersome for my liking, but out of respect for that person, I would use the longer term. In this case, younger people do not know the history behind why Poles would object to the Nazi camps being called Polish, so hopefully they'll learn from petitions like this why it's important to give respect where it's due. Thanks, Hans, for deeming this important.

Oh, BTW, I use Firefox and clicking on the green button to 'visit site' worked just fine to get to the petition.
 

Krasimira B (175)
Monday November 1, 2010, 1:19 pm
Signed, thank you Pola.
 

Andrea Connelly (94)
Monday November 1, 2010, 1:27 pm
signed and noted. the least I can do for the Polish people including my daughter-in-law and family.
 

Yvonne White (229)
Monday November 1, 2010, 1:40 pm
I hope the page worked - I filled out & signed, but then it brought up an error page.. so I guess it worked, but can't be sure..
 

Yvonne White (229)
Monday November 1, 2010, 1:42 pm
While I've never heard them called Polish Concentration camps, it should Never happen!
 

Past Member (0)
Monday November 1, 2010, 1:43 pm
The accuracy of historical information?? You would think these publishers would be so much more careful. Signed and Noted.
 

Patricia N (41)
Monday November 1, 2010, 1:46 pm
Signed and noted.
 

janine Kaczynski (107)
Monday November 1, 2010, 1:53 pm
IF YOU HAVE TROUBLE SIGNING JUST X OUT AND KEEP GOING.

I don't get mad at anything. I try to keep a level head about me when undergoing all kinds of malicious acts. This is something that really is horrifying. The idea that people actually did this, cook people, is horrific. I signed this and I hope you get all the signatures you need. EVIL is just always defeated, always. The karmic wheel turns...
 

Catherine Turley (192)
Monday November 1, 2010, 2:11 pm
i don't think anyone, even the undereducated, blames anyone but the nazis.
 

Past Member (0)
Monday November 1, 2010, 2:24 pm
Noted and signed, thanks Hans
 

Past Member (0)
Monday November 1, 2010, 2:26 pm
signed and noted and the record needs to be accurate. i do have concerns about the rest of the record from this time. we are all horrified by the concentration camps, but we are not yet talking about all the horrors and numbers killed by the winners. i guess winning does mean you get to write the history. how sad for all of us.
 

April Thompson (2)
Monday November 1, 2010, 2:31 pm
Noted, shared and signed!
 

Lynn Alzamily (19)
Monday November 1, 2010, 2:36 pm
Signed. It is one thing for untrained web users to get things wrong; but, newspapers & magazines have to get it right. Journalists were educated for their profession and must be held to the truth.

 

Shirley H (49)
Monday November 1, 2010, 2:41 pm
Done, fine for me.
Shirley H.
 

Marıanna M. (0)
Monday November 1, 2010, 2:59 pm
noted
 

ewoud k (68)
Monday November 1, 2010, 3:02 pm
If your job is to inform the public, inform them well!
Thanks Apolonia!
 

Trish K (93)
Monday November 1, 2010, 3:21 pm
I support the petition in it's entirety.
 

Gloria H (88)
Monday November 1, 2010, 3:22 pm
This contrasts from what I read about Triblinka: prisoners who did escape into the woods were murdered by Polish peasants. Will have to reread the book. I remembered- (stuck in my mind) that information -because it was a real downer after reading what the prisoners endured, on finally making their escape, that they received no sympathy from townspeople who hunted them down. (?) Were the guards, the cooks, the train station workers ALL German? Were they all Nazis?
The truth is out there, somewhere.
Last night History channel did a story on Germans who did help the jews. For years the Germans were bombarded with propaganda-posters, stories about the jews. Wasn't Hitler quoted in saying" tell a lie often enough, and people will believe it". (?)
We are constantly bombarded (I am at least) with internet pix and quotes about the muslim threat, all muslims are out to get us, stories of Obama not being American born, the immediate threat of the ten commandments banned from public places,pictures of the flag, support the troops or you're not American...you name it.Subtle ,constant messages.
Maybe we are all sleepwalking
 

Tina Scislow (41)
Monday November 1, 2010, 3:31 pm
Signed and noted. To think that there are people who actually believe that all the horrible things that happened in WWII didn't happen is unbelievable. So many valuable people were killed. What I would like to see is people recognising how many other people were killed off, gotten rid of or disposed of apart form the over 6 million jews. I find that that is also very important. We need to recognise the people who fought back and who were killed for doing os. However, this must be done from a place of love, harmony and compassion and not one of hate and vengence nor intolerance.
 

Helle H (21)
Monday November 1, 2010, 3:39 pm
Excuse me, there seems to be something the author has misunderstood. In all the countries the Germans occupied during the worldwar, people was executed for helping jews. Not only the Polish. And by the way it was not the Germans it was all people who believed in the Nazi-politic. In spite of that a lot help them to hide or get to safe place.
 

chris b (2474)
Monday November 1, 2010, 3:42 pm
Noted and signed
 

chris b (2474)
Monday November 1, 2010, 3:54 pm
Whenever the Nazis discovered people helping Jews, shot down Allied airmen, escapers from military prison camps etc they invariably killed them whatever their nationality and did not restrict their tyranny to Poland as the article suggests. The Nazis had a list of Jews and prominent persons in the UK to kill should they have been successful invading the UK for example! As with most conflicts there were acts of brutatlity carried out by civilians and military personal alike sometimes against former friends and neighbours who happened to be Jewish or of the wrong nationality. Sadly nothing changes in war their are always those who revel in bloodshed and mayhem they just have differing lables on them!
 

. (0)
Monday November 1, 2010, 4:02 pm
I did sign the petition because I felt it had some validity. Although I never heard of the Nazi death camps referred to as Polish Death camps, some historical facts have to be said. Yes, the Poles suffered tremendous losses during the war.On the other hand tens of thousands held the Jews responsible for their misery, and did little to nothing to hide them. In fact, like in so many countries, the Nazis would pay people to give up Jews.
The poles who lived near these camps knew what was going on; I have never read of an account where a Polish person said yes, I knew Jews were being slaughtered near bye. The stench of burning bodies alone was probably a daily disgusting event.
The Polish people were never friends to the Jews. You can debate this until your can't speak. They gave them up freely, and took their possessions, and homes knowing they would not return. Countries like Holland, Denmark,Belgium, Greece, and to an extent Italy tried to hide Jews, and tried to get them out of the country. This was not the case in Poland.
 

Teresa K (33)
Monday November 1, 2010, 4:05 pm
Done and done thank you!
 

Michela M (3964)
Monday November 1, 2010, 4:31 pm
SIGNED and Noted!! Thanks, Ciao!! Michela
 

Carrie B (306)
Monday November 1, 2010, 4:36 pm
I have Mozilla Firefox and connected easily. Signed and noted.
 

(0)
Monday November 1, 2010, 4:39 pm
Noted, signed and thanks!
 

Jeannette A (137)
Monday November 1, 2010, 4:41 pm
Historical accuracy becomes increasingly important the further away we get from the event. If we do not want to repeat past mistakes, we must learn from them... and TO DO IT RIGHT we must have our facts straight. Signed & noted.
 

Past Member (0)
Monday November 1, 2010, 4:54 pm
Noted and signed!
 

Maria Eugenia Escobedo (33)
Monday November 1, 2010, 5:04 pm
Thank you Apolonia for giving us the chance to sign this so very important petition. Signed and forwarding. !CONGRATULATIONS!
 

Vivien Green (153)
Monday November 1, 2010, 5:05 pm
Noted and signed
 

Aletta Kraan (146)
Monday November 1, 2010, 5:12 pm
The same thing happened in Holland , I have seen it , people who had Jewish people hidden and were found out , lost everything and were shipped to a concentration camp .
 

Patrizia S (315)
Monday November 1, 2010, 5:18 pm
Noted and signed
 

Susan S (187)
Monday November 1, 2010, 5:22 pm
This petition illustrates how important language can be, and how important concepts can be. It also illustrates how we have to record history accurately and be careful of libel and slander. Thanks for posting this petition. Signed and noted.
 

John Williams (36)
Monday November 1, 2010, 5:23 pm
signed and noted. A wicked time in man's history. History since that time is no better. Evil still makes a stand in our time.
 

Kathy Chadwell (354)
Monday November 1, 2010, 5:44 pm
How about American Concentration Camps:(
http://www.apfn.org/APFN/camps.htm
 

Robert B (60)
Monday November 1, 2010, 6:03 pm
Signed! It's always important for journalist and historians to stick to the actual facts and not mislead.
 

Marta B (45)
Monday November 1, 2010, 6:03 pm
Signed
 

Kate K (215)
Monday November 1, 2010, 6:06 pm
I signed because although the Poles were for the most part not helpful to the Jews at all, they should not be held responsible for building concentration camps. The Poles were, as others have said, anti Semetic and had no problem turning them in. I have great respect for those in any country who risked their lives to help Jews and there were a fair amount. I read holocaust stories because I can not comprehend it. My grandmother would not buy anything German because of the holocaust. the Poles were no prize but the Nazis were cold hearted murderers and should have paid for what they did.
 

Hugh M (75)
Monday November 1, 2010, 6:42 pm
I signed this because it is essential that words should be used in accurate ways in this world where words are used to give a basis for going to war when there is no real basis at all. As for the debate here about what 'the Poles did or did not do, the pattern followed the same as happened everywhere in the Second World War and in every war that involves occupation. Some, undoubtedly a greedy minority and those who followed out of fear of death, collaborated with the Nazis, some actually agreed with what the Nazis were doing and some actively opposed it. I remember in my childhood we had neighbours in Scotland who were Polish. I believe they, as with a lot of Poles in Britain, had to escape Poland because they were in danger of being killed. Many Polish resistance fighters ended up in Britain in those times. Anti-Semitism existed throughout Europe and even in Britain there were openly anti-semitic societies. Oswald Mosley is the famous example of British Fascism and anti-jewish politics.
 

Star S. (54)
Monday November 1, 2010, 7:12 pm
noted and signed
 

Sascha H (305)
Monday November 1, 2010, 7:36 pm
noted and signed here too
 

Matloob ul Hasan (81)
Monday November 1, 2010, 7:42 pm
Noted, thanks.
 

Bracha Katz (31)
Monday November 1, 2010, 7:48 pm
While I admit that I am no expert on the Polish people during the holocaust, from what I do know, (I am Jewish, and I went to Jewish school), there was a lot of antisemitism in Poland.

My grandfather was from Poland, but he escaped to Russia during the war. His whole family was killed except one brother. He came back after the war, and got permission to get his house back. He tried to find some things he knew were buried in the yard of his house. While he was there, some Poles were looking at him with such hatred, that he ran away because he was afraid for his life. That night his house was mysteriously burnt down.

That is not the only story that I know about Polish antisemitism. While there definitely were many Poles who were sympathetic to the Jews, many more hated Jews.

But today, the younger generation of Poles are actually quite friendly to the Jews, and there are quite a few Jewish communities thriving in Poland.
 

Past Member (0)
Monday November 1, 2010, 7:59 pm
Signed. Thank you for posting.
 

Sue McGuey (106)
Monday November 1, 2010, 8:18 pm
Noted & signed!~
 

Diane L (110)
Monday November 1, 2010, 8:47 pm
It's been over 60 years, so why is this being dragged up now, and I've never, EVER heard of the "DEATH camps" as being "Polish", EVER! I was born just before WWII was declared, so am very much aware of all of this, even though a small child after the U.S. became involved. I've never heard of anything EXCEPT "Nazi Death Camps" or "German Death Camps", and everybody knows that Poland didn't execute Jews, nor have the camps, themselves. I have Arabian horses, and have done a lot of research on their history, breeding, etc., and by doing so, read a lot about how the breed was saved in Poland by General Patton. Part of those accounts, of course, told the stories of persecution and executions of the Polish citizens.

Just saying I find it a bit silly to have a petition NOW, after 60 years, to change a term which I don't recall ever reading or seeing in the first place.
 

Kabir D (79)
Monday November 1, 2010, 9:29 pm
Noted & Thanks!
 

Nikolas K (94)
Monday November 1, 2010, 9:33 pm
We have not learnt the lessons of the past even though we are constantly reminded of them. Its time to wake up and learn that gitmo prison, Iraq , Afghanistan and every other country the military /industrial alliance has infiltrated to expand its business interests are no better that what Hitler is alleged to have done.

Yet on this forum and elsewhere i constantly see the expression of "lets support the troops and if you don't your a traitor". Don't you think the German people may have said the same thing in ignorance. So stop living in the past and focus on changing our tomorrows with love and compassion.
 

Julie van Niekerk (230)
Monday November 1, 2010, 9:51 pm
This is history of long ago, but it hurts fresh in the mind.
 

NICKY MELVILLE (119)
Monday November 1, 2010, 9:52 pm
I could not sign like many other people. I really agree with the comment from Nicolas Karman. It is time we stopped looking back and instead starting from the present to spread our love and compassion and act towards others without judgment. Past wars are past and people in the past were doing no worse atrocities than many people ar doinge today. Tomorrow is the ONLY thing we can change; the past, we cannot! Let's inject all our love and all our energies into making a better tomorrow. Together we can make big and wonderful changes.
 

Mary L (132)
Monday November 1, 2010, 9:58 pm
Signed I think noted for sure.
 

Shirley S (187)
Monday November 1, 2010, 10:16 pm
Kept getting a timed out note
 

Linda G (187)
Monday November 1, 2010, 10:35 pm
Noted and signed. Accuracy in history is very important. Why would one choose to teach one's children that which is incorrect. Little errors can add up to big hurts. And while we must put our energy into insuring a better today and tomorrow, we must not lose sight of what was done wrong in the past or we may inadvertently repeat it.
 

Kerstin Strobl (123)
Monday November 1, 2010, 10:38 pm
noted and signed, thank you
 

Diane L (110)
Monday November 1, 2010, 10:41 pm
Big, BIG difference between 1940's Germany and now, Nikolas. We're being asked to support our troops, who are just young men and women out there, representing this country. We're NOT being asked to support the position of the government which sent them or risk DEATH, or be thrown into prisons, whatever. I'm sure there were many "common" German citizens who did not support Hitler or the Nazi regime, and they belonged to the "underground", but many did out of fear of reprisal from the S.S., which was everywhere. We have the C.I.A. in the United States, BUT at least we have a Constitution and enough protections via support groups such as the ACLU to hopefully prevent something like that from ever happening again. Not even sure it is correct to say the ACLU is only a "support group", but pretty close, anyway.

How many times can you or I go into ANY Care.2 discussion and bash the U.S. Government, even our President, and have no fear of somebody bashing in our front door and arresting us? I recall in another discussion, somebody actually called Mr. Obama some pretty nasty names. He's been accused of being a Muslim, pro-terrorist and worse. Do you think, in Nazi Germany, anyone who said those things about Hitler would have lived to talk about it?
 

Ivy S (2169)
Monday November 1, 2010, 11:00 pm
Thanks for sharing this info with us Apolonia.
 

Past Member (0)
Monday November 1, 2010, 11:03 pm
I can see by many comments here, that many do not know of the extensive hate that the Reich had for the Poles. Maybe 2 statements would be helpful in clarifying, as Nazi's considered Polish people to be "subhumans," simply by virtue of their birth. Hitler's orders were to kill "without mercy or pity ALL men, women, and children of Polish descent or language." Himmler (who had designed the death camps,) stated that it "is essential that the great German people should consider it as its major task - to destroy ALL Poles."

Anotherwords, Poles were not killed simply because they were Jewish, 3 million of them were, and 3 million were others, such as Christians, Gypsies, etc. The end figures: 45% of all Polish doctors killed, 60% of all Polish lawyers killed, and 18% of all Polish priests killed.

These were and have been to most people been known all along as, Nazi Concentration Camps, or Nazi Death Camps. This is the way they must stay.
 

Edward Janus (291)
Monday November 1, 2010, 11:40 pm
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Dear Apolonia,
Thanks for sharing. And I Signed This Petition.

Love,
Edward Janus
 

Valjean O (23)
Monday November 1, 2010, 11:47 pm
Done! Like that:)
 

chris b (2474)
Tuesday November 2, 2010, 12:34 am
For those that are apparently ignorant of the WW2 situation in Poland. It was little different from other conquered nations under Nazi Rule and of course had America not sat on the fence for so long while the UK battled Hitler bravely supported by Canada, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, India etc it would have been over sooner! Many nationalities saved Jews including Poles! on the other side of the coin many betrayed Jews and others. Google the subject, read books like "The Bielksi Brothers", "The Zookeepers Wife" "The Warsaw Ghetto" and thousands of other books for background on this subject before making uninformed statements about Poland or any other country!
 

Ancil S (175)
Tuesday November 2, 2010, 12:36 am
Signed,noted,Facebooked, Myspaced,twittered!!
 

Past Member (0)
Tuesday November 2, 2010, 1:42 am
chris b - If you are directing this comment towards me which it sounds like, I simply meant that most people don't know how extensive the hate was that Hitler had for the Polish people as a whole. I certainly didn't say anyone was ignorant, just unaware that it had went on. Perhaps I should have worded in differently. I also never said Poles didn't save Jews. I also don' t know how my quoting Hitler and Himmiler, and stating statistics is making an "unimformed statement."
 

Diane L (110)
Tuesday November 2, 2010, 1:57 am
"Chris B", I am reading a lot of anger and anymosity into your comments. You were not even born until well after WWII ended, yet you come across as if you had been involved. You live in the U.K., so I can understand why you feel that Britain was more involved, because they were, originally, and of course, the U.K. was bombed, while the U.S. wasn't. However, to say the U.S. "sat on the fence" is a bit untrue. IF the U.S. had jumped in before they were personally "involved", they'd probably be as maligned as they are now, with accusations of "sticking their noses in where they weren't wanted" or for trying to be the World's "cops". The U.K. "bravely" battled Hitler, yes, because then it was to defend their Homeland, since Hitler was attempting to conquer all of Europe, and already had over-run Finland. Your statements about Canada, Australia, New Zealand and even India becoming involved BEFORE the U.S. is factually untrue. The U.S. OFFICIALLY entered WWII on Dec. 7, 1941, when Pearl Harbor was bombed. Canada didn't get involved until 1942. I was a child during WWII, having just been born when Pearl Harbor was attacked, but I do remember the accounts of it, and my parents involvement, as well as "YES", I can READ.

I just think the intent of the article we're discussing is misleading, and the petition meaningless. NOBODY that I can recall has EVER referred to the concentration camps as "POLISH Death Camps". Nobody is accusing the Polish of being at fault in anything. For the most part, they were as much innocent victims as the average German citizen.
 

Theo Gerrits (14)
Tuesday November 2, 2010, 2:55 am
Thank you Apolonia, signed!
 

chris b (2474)
Tuesday November 2, 2010, 4:01 am
War is of course never justifiable as a first move! Canada entered WW2 ten days after the UK declaration in1939 the others I mentioned declared war simultaneously! The US was bombed and shelled by the Japanese albeit with little damage! The US was late in both WW1 and WW2 Historical fact not conjecture or opinion the UK on the other hand received no significant assistance from the US when Argentine forces invaded the British Falklands, however the UK promptly assisted with a disproportionately large military force, which continues to this day in facilitating the Bush oil wars and needs no further comment! My comments if they have resonated with individuals they were not intended to offend simply correct mis-facts and erroneous comments! One person made the comment "Hitler is alleged to have done." As this person is from Australia I'm surprised they take an apologist view of Hitler's well documented atrocities considering the disproportionately large number of brave Australian's lives lost in the fight against Hitler's Nazism! As to the US sticking it's nose in where it's not wanted ,up until Pearl Harbour the US was supplying Germany with the material for collating data for the "Final Solution" such is the interest and influence of big business on the conduct of wars period! Again not opinion boring history! Sadly politicians in particular do not learn from history or we would not be watching our US and UK etc young men and women service people arriving home in flag draped coffins, sacrificed for nothing more than the oil etc inspired wars of Bush and Blair! We insult the sacrifice and memory of all the fallen by inaccurate and baseless commentary!

Regarding the anti semitism alleged against the entire Polish Nation it is perhaps sensible to comment that under conditions of Nazi occupation civilsation flew out of the window and of course that was true in France, Holland, Belgium or anywhere else the jackboot of Nazism pounded and distributed it's vile propaganda.

Perhaps one of the most famous Polish Righteous Gentiles commemorated in the Garden of the Righteous Amongst Nation sin Israel is Saint Maximilian a Catholic priest and Franciscan Friar, Canonised by the Polish Pope John Paul 2 in 1982 for his selfless help of Jews and his ultimate sacrifice as a Martyr of Charity. He is the patron saint of radio amateurs, (he held a Polish radio licence),families, drug addicts and journalists etc so I'm sure he would want the facts to be reported correctly!

Hitler's propaganda minister Dr Goebals is the person credited with saying" If you tell a big lie often enough it will be believed" One only has to look at Fox News and politicians of the Sarah Palin ilk to see Dr Goebals legacy in action!

American individuals served in the Royal Air Force before Pearl Harbour and many Poles, Czechs and other refugees from Nazism in Europe had their own squadrons that fought with tenacity against Nazism. When the US woke up and joined us their troops bravery and tenacity were without question and thousands gave their lives in the defeat of Nazism! Diane L.quite rightly comments that the civilian populations were innocent victims for the most part. I don't doubt that you can read but it might just be that your reading material has suffered the fate of the Texas school history texts! That is supposed to be a light hearted riposte by the way! It is however an indication that there are still elements of US society that seek to influence our young people for their own ends and agenda by doctoring history books and emulating Hitler's policies of censorship, book burning and oppression! Especially in the areas of global warming, gay. female and black emancipation, animal rights birth control or anything contrary to the right wing extremist rule book! That is of course common to all rightwing groups not just US ones!
 

Teresa W (782)
Tuesday November 2, 2010, 4:18 am
noted and signed, thank you
 

Apolonia P (392)
Tuesday November 2, 2010, 4:46 am
Chris, 10000000 kudos for your feature and valuable explanations! I'm sure that Saint Maximilian Kolbe appreciates it and will bless you... ;-)
For those who didn't understand main sens this petitions: The point isn't about PAST, it's about consequences of it. It cause deceit of history, what help to revival neo-nazism and neo fascism in Europe. It's happening NOW, and it's real danger.
 

patricia lasek (317)
Tuesday November 2, 2010, 5:06 am
My Dear Apolonia, I gladly signed this petition. Being an American of Polish descent, I have read many history books on the subject of Poland.
On the anti-semitism there, it was caused by Nazi propoganda against the Jewish people. It was much like our media represents all Muslims as being terrorists. Lies!
Bóg błogosławi was mojego przyjaciela.

 

Hans Mueller (591)
Tuesday November 2, 2010, 6:55 am
As Apolonia said, this isn't about the past. But it sure helps to remember and learn from the past. "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
 

Agnes W (141)
Tuesday November 2, 2010, 6:58 am
Thank you for sharing
 

Lisa Germain (60)
Tuesday November 2, 2010, 7:15 am
thanks for sharing and i have signed your petition.

please sign mine. http://www.thepetitionsite.come/403/petition-to-stop-the-war

 

Andrew Hamling (36)
Tuesday November 2, 2010, 7:59 am
Noted an signed. It's an important issue. One would expect the serious press and media to be less cavalier in their approach and show greater respect. It doesindeed, give the wrong impression to young minds.
 

Charlene Rush (2)
Tuesday November 2, 2010, 8:18 am
Any nation that knew of these atrocities and did nothing, is complicit. The Catholic Church is completely shameful in this regard. Being a corporation of preaching religious faith, they are a disgrace. It's very easy to offer an apology, after the fact.
 

Jennifer M (78)
Tuesday November 2, 2010, 8:42 am
Signed and noted.
 

Valerie H (133)
Tuesday November 2, 2010, 8:42 am
Thank you - signed....."Thank you for your support on this important matter."....

 

Penelope P (222)
Tuesday November 2, 2010, 8:54 am
I don'tbelieve that the Polish were the only ones to suffer the death penalty for helping Jews but I signed it- Cannot help wnderin if this is a shonky outfit if their decklared mission is to clarify knowledge of their nation in theUS and they give out shonky facts fo people to sign

I had a relative (stepfather in one of these camps so I have a sort of vested interest in the truth-particularly since my on father was executed in an escape (known as the" Great Escape") from aq military prison camp
 

chris b (2474)
Tuesday November 2, 2010, 8:58 am
As in today's election, the lies and spin propagated will doubtless influence some as to who they vote for. The poles did not get a chance despite the valiant efforts of their army to resist Hitler's Blitzkreig and then of course they were under the jackboot whatever their attitude to Jews or any others on Hitler's unterperson list Many made extreme personal sacrifices to resist the Nazis on pain of death in Poland and elsewhere Some of course profited from the plight of the Jews and others. Intellectuals were high up Hitler's target list as anyone with a mind of their own is the natural enemy of brainless thugs and we also see that in the violence towards anti Republican demonstrators in the US today perpetrated by individuals that just as well be wearing swastika armbands rather than US police uniforms as well as groups of thugs beating and stomping on the head of a move-on member! Sadly the frequent repetition of Nazi style thuggery both in the US and UK as well as the EU shouild be a wake up call to remember what WW2 was all about and why so many brave heroes of my parents generation gave their lives for us and why we should honour current serving service persons who are making the same sacrifices even if the war they are fighting is far from from the comprehensible justification of fighting Nazism in WW2! Sadly the wanton waste of young lives by politicians is always sidelined as a by product of war and my response to that is if one stopped manufacturing reasons to go to war then there would be none of these unpleasant by products! And God bless you my friends Patricia and Apolonia
 

Apolonia P (392)
Tuesday November 2, 2010, 9:00 am
Many THANKS for all your comments, although sometimes I feel like opening "a can of worms"... ;-))
But " "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." -- Edmund Burke .
 

barbara n (10)
Tuesday November 2, 2010, 9:19 am
Very interesting to here this news because in Europe I've never heard anyone talkink about concentration camps saying Polish, or even Austrian, but only talking about german concentration camp in Polland...in Austria and so on.
 

Apolonia P (392)
Tuesday November 2, 2010, 9:29 am
Alas, it was written many times in American and German newspapers. If it wouldn't there woudn't be any problems about it...
 

Gudrun D (447)
Tuesday November 2, 2010, 9:43 am
Signed - I agree wholeheartedly and the truth be known! Thanks Apolonia.
 

J MASSETTI (11)
Tuesday November 2, 2010, 10:03 am
SIGNED & NOTED
 

Henriette Matthijssen (154)
Tuesday November 2, 2010, 10:17 am
I signed, Thanks Apolonia for informing the TRUTH to all! I pray that the world has learned unconditional LOVE for all beings! And hoping in my heart that history never repeats itself, since greed, evil & cruelty has taken over this world! Peace & Enlightenment to all!
 

Karla H (6)
Tuesday November 2, 2010, 10:36 am
signed,
anyone (and their family) who helped jewish people was in danger of getting killed by the gestapo
 

Past Member (0)
Tuesday November 2, 2010, 10:56 am
signed and noted,thanx
 

Anna Borsey (66)
Tuesday November 2, 2010, 11:27 am
Noted & signed.

Diane L. - "The U.K. "bravely" battled Hitler, yes, because then it was to defend their Homeland, since Hitler was attempting to conquer all of Europe, and already had over-run Finland. "

Diane, there was a Polish-British Treaty of Mutual Assistance and non-aggression, and THIS is the reason Britain entered WWII when it did and not because "it was to defend their Homeland"! Chamberlain did not exactly relish having to declare war on Germany, and initially, both Britain and France issued an ultimatum to the German government, to the effect that "unless you withdraw ALL German troops from Polish territory immediately, we will have no choice but to declare war on Germany". The French also had a treaty with Poland, you see. Do please check your facts prior to writing a comment!

An excerpt from the official British government radio broadcast, on the morning of 3rd September, 1939:
". . . Chamberlain said: "I am speaking to you from the Cabinet Room at 10, Downing Street. This morning the British Ambassador in Berlin handed the German government a final note stating that unless we heard from them by 11 o'clock that they were prepared at once to withdraw their troops from Poland a state of war would exist between us. I have to tell you now that no such undertaking has been received, and that consequently this country is at war with Germany." "
 

tony lane (3)
Tuesday November 2, 2010, 11:27 am
not many people will know that five concentration camps or prisons have already bee built in the USA in the last 5 or 6 years and they are not being built for crminals,the are for you and me who object to certain laws that are being passed or political dissidents and they have gas chambers already built into them,so forget the nazi's this is a lot worse,i kid you not if you want to check it out you will also find that they have long trains already built three decks high to take people to these prisons they also have a million plastic coffins and four million body bags,if this scares you that is as it should be because it also scares me to death,we are constantly being remnded of yesterday so let us not forget today and tommorow,
 

Alet Coetzee (59)
Tuesday November 2, 2010, 11:35 am
Noted and signed.
 

Irene M (5)
Tuesday November 2, 2010, 11:54 am
Noted & signed. Thank you,Apolonia.
 

Maria p (151)
Tuesday November 2, 2010, 12:00 pm
thanks
 

Luciana D (30)
Tuesday November 2, 2010, 12:11 pm
Well, I thought everybody knew the real story, but maybe I'm too old and experienced too many things, contrary to younger people... Me myself would never think that those concentration camps were built by the Polish, Poland having been the first country the Nazis invaded. Nevertheless, THIS STORY is too important and should be teached in EVERY school everywhere in the world. Petition signed.
 

Robert O (12)
Tuesday November 2, 2010, 12:31 pm
Thanks.
 

Tamila mendoza (177)
Tuesday November 2, 2010, 1:30 pm
I think the writer is wrong. Millions died in all 27 countries for helping and hiding the Jews. My grandmother's parents died in Germany for hiding neighbors that were Jewish friends and prominent business owners. No, Poland didn't build the concentration camps.
 

Gloria H (88)
Tuesday November 2, 2010, 2:10 pm
Tony I- I have also heard of new concentration camps being built here in America for dissidents. As for the coffins (body bags?) I thought that was "in case of pandemic". If the internet shuts down under an order of Homeland Security for any vague reason, this will be the sign that it is happening. Too late to pack a toothbrush.
Does this sound like science fiction? The jews gave the Germans the benefit of the doubt- surely intelligent people wouldn't do this to us...
Right after 9/11 there were huge bulletin boards put up by the freeway in Santa Rosa, California with images of eyes and the wording "report any suspicious behavior". I guess that meant keep an eye out for your neighbor. So much for paranoia... back to the topic:
Never in 63 years did I ever hear of Polish death camps. It was always Nazi death camps. We are not responsible for what our parents, grandparents were. We can't take credit either. We are responsible and accountable for what we or rather I, as an individual does/do or not.
WWII, Korea was glossed over in history class.No examination of causes etc. WTF? Was there a reason to keep us in the dark? Or was it just to cover current (then) history on schedule?
 

Gillian M (218)
Tuesday November 2, 2010, 2:43 pm
Anyone who sheltered a Jew or any other "enemy" they would be executed. Sometimes people would be picked at random from a village or town and shot.

The one country that we should look at and admire Denmark as King Christian believed that all people were Danish first and he came out of the palace with a blue star sewn onto his coat the day that Jews had t do it. In Yad Vashem shows 9 Jews died there. Perhaps other countries should take note.
 

Susan Pernot (75)
Tuesday November 2, 2010, 3:04 pm
done
 

Marta Away (55)
Tuesday November 2, 2010, 4:03 pm
Signed (Thank you for your support on this important matter) and noted. To intentionally pervert the History should be a crime. Thanks Apolonia.
 

Annick Letourneau (67)
Tuesday November 2, 2010, 4:38 pm
Noted and signed and thank you for supporting each others!
 

linda b (186)
Tuesday November 2, 2010, 5:09 pm
I took my mum to the Memorial and Museum Auschwitz-Birkenau 3 years ago and never will i forgot what we saw there, absolutely heartbreaking .History should never be forgotten, i signed Thank you Apolonia.
 

Anna Borsey (66)
Tuesday November 2, 2010, 5:11 pm
Furthermore, Diane L. - The German invasion of Poland on 1st September 1939 was the actual BEGINNING of WWII, and it was this act of aggression that caused Britain to declare war on Germany. The German invasion of Finland came much later, during the winter of 1939-1940. In April 1940, Germany invaded Denmark and Norway, and a little later on the same year, also Holland, Belgium and France.

Britain was ill prepared for war, and the British government did not actually want to go to war at all, if it could possibly be avoided, as the armed forces were very poorly equipped and the country was virtually on its knees (metaphorically speaking) as a result of the Great Depression during the 1930s, after the Stock Market crash in 1929.

To recap, it was the Nazi German invasion of Poland that caused Britain to declare war on Germany. All of the other German invasions came later. It had very little to do with wanting to "defend their Homeland" - at least, at that point in time.

All of these indisputable FACTS can be checked, double and treble checked in many different books and on many different web sites, as well as in the archives of many different newspapers of the time.

(Incidentally, I am not myself British; I am Swedish by birth, born and raised in Stockholm, the capital of Sweden, but domiciled in England for most of my adult life. I wasn't born until ca 7 1/2 years AFTER the 2nd World War ended, just for the record.)
 

Diane L (110)
Tuesday November 2, 2010, 6:07 pm
Chris B., to quote you..........

Canada entered WW2 ten days after the UK declaration in1939 the others I mentioned declared war simultaneously! The US was bombed and shelled by the Japanese albeit with little damage!

...........how on earth can anyone with a rational mind come to the conclusion that the U.S. suffered only minor casualties? The U.S.S. Arizona alone had thousands of deaths when it went down. Every ship in the fleet stationed at Pearl was either sunk or severely damaged. As for Canada's entering the war in 1939, I guess every online source is incorrect, since they ALL agree it was in 1942. According to your member profile, you weren't born until after WWII ended, so you, like most of us, can only get your facts from online sources or from magazines or books.

Anna, I am not disputing whether there were treaties or not, but it IS fact that Poland was the first country invaded and taken over by the Nazis, so of course Britain wasn't bombed until after that, but what Britain's reasons were or not isn't the point, is it? The point of the article was to clarify the fact that the concentration camps (Death Camps) were not put in place or controlled by the Polish, and as I've now said several times, that was never mentioned in my lifetime (68 years) that I can remember, so I simply don't see the need for a petition to CLARIFY something that is implied as needing to be known..........ie., THE TRUTH. The truth is that most of us have ONLY heard them referred to as NAZI DEATH CAMPS, GERMAN DEATH CAMPS, and never "Polish Death Camps".

 

Diane L (110)
Tuesday November 2, 2010, 6:29 pm
Please understand that I mean no disrespect to anyone who is related to anyone who suffered in these camps, only finding it a bit redudant to argue about the exact date that any country got involved with the war, and it shouldn't even something arguable, since it is all stated on Wikipedia, in the link I posted previously. Whether the U.S. didn't get involved until two years after Poland was invaded or not is also irrelevant. Fact is, they DID get involved and in a huge way. Fact is, the death camps were not POLISH death camps, and if some stupid author mistakenly referred to them in one publication as such, I just don't find it necessary to start a petition about it. Yes, facts should be made known to everyone and history should be accurate.

BTW, Tony, not sure what you're smokin' there, but please provide a bit of facts before posting something as outrageous as what you just did! If you're referring to the rumors that the Tea Party would like us all to believe, or whatever, that's your right to do so, but honestly, please don't try to start a panic with posting such nonsense. I'm sure you also believe in "Area 51" and I do believe the earth was supposed to have ended in 1980, or whatever, according to George Orwell. I don't waste my time reading drivel.
 

Jennifer W (48)
Tuesday November 2, 2010, 7:30 pm
Having studied history I found that the first thing the German and Russian invaders did was massacre the officer class of Poland. Then the Germany Army under Nazi instructions put to death any leader of any group likely to be capable of any resistance to the occupation. This I believe, added up to 48,000+ (Roman Catholic) people, right down to 16 year old girl and boy scout team leaders. Once you take away those trained in leadership you have only an undisciplined rabble which can be controlled by fear and reward for compilcit behaviour. I have also read James Michener's 'Poland'- which is very enlightening as to the history of the Polish nation up until modern times and encompasses WW2. Germany has been very adept at deflecting the blame for WW2 and the Holocaust onto other parties- and I believe Japan has similar policies and deliberately avoids educating their youth about their part in the war the same as Germany has done for the past 65 years.
 

Gillian M (218)
Tuesday November 2, 2010, 7:41 pm
Thanks Diane. I have only ever heard the concentration camps referred to as German but perhaps other countries have a different perspective. I do know that many countries were kept much in the dark by their governments over what was happening (both my parents were alive during WWII, the lead up and the aftermath and both lived & worked in London during that time as did other members of my family and their friends).

The right wingers in America did a good job of keeping America out of the war despite their ships being attacked by Uboats. The destruction of Pearl Harbour was a terrible massacre and a treagedy for the country as well as the navy. However, may I point out that some of this was also pride, America had never been attacked before so this was a blow to the government as well as the public.

I have seen pictures of the camps and trains that Tony is talking about around the time of Bird Flu. Then the talk was about the American government releasing a biological agent into the population to drop the numbers.
 

Stephen Hill (633)
Tuesday November 2, 2010, 8:16 pm
Thank you Apolonia, especially because I have roots in Poland. My grandmother fortunately escaped the travesty. I have noted and signed!
 

Diane L (110)
Tuesday November 2, 2010, 9:10 pm
As far as the reference to the fact they were printed in American and German newspapers having credance to the reason for the article, please keep in mind that anyone can, if they want to put in the effort, find some obscure newspaper that says just about anything, no matter how far "OUT THERE", it is. Even major newspapers can have "slanted" journalism. Remember, we have always defended the First Amendment! The point should be, and I'm still trying to make it, WHY, after 60 years, make an issue out of what a few idiot journalists who obviously never did their homework, may have said? The article (and I'm not going back in to re-read it), didn't state names or times when such articles supposedly referred to the death camps as "POLISH". Honestly, one has to keep in perspective, the source of the articles. For instance, look at some of the nonsense coming out of political candidates' mouths recently! I've talked to people who've heard it and figured it must be true "cuz that lady said it and she's a former Governor".

As for the "camps and trains", I do recall some whacked-out rich guy building himself such an encampment (underground) to protect himself and his family if the "inevitable" ever happens. I have no clue why anyone would say the government kept the U.S. in the dark about the Korean War, since I was at an age where my family and friends were involved. Now, the Vietnam War, a bit different, but the truth finally did come out. I remember very well being taught in high school about WWII and the Korean War, and it was all in the news at that time as well.

In the last few years, there have also been many MORE things revealed about the various wars because of the Freedom of Information Act. I doubt many knew about the "missing" T.T. alert sent to Washington, D.C. about the Japanese fleet approaching Honolulu that was never received until very recently, and now, it's been the subject of several documentaries, TV shows such as "JAG", and the movie, "Pearl Harbor", while focusing on a romance, also tells it like it happened, including the political wagering going on with Roosevelt and his cronies. Sorry, that is digressing a bit from the German/Polish discussion, but just saying that one shouldn't always go off the deep end after reading what they find in a newspaper, or online, or on TV! If it is repeated often enough by many different sources, that's different, of course!
 

Colin Hope (201)
Tuesday November 2, 2010, 9:11 pm
Noted and signed!!
 

Ian N (13)
Tuesday November 2, 2010, 9:22 pm
Petition signed and noted.
 

Melissah C (389)
Tuesday November 2, 2010, 9:47 pm
thanks
 

Carmen S (69)
Tuesday November 2, 2010, 11:10 pm
Signed with pleasure. What those Nazis did was something we should never forget.
 

Joy W (100)
Wednesday November 3, 2010, 12:21 am
Noted and signed, thank you.
 

Denise P (65)
Wednesday November 3, 2010, 1:07 am
Gladly signed and noted. Thank you Apolonia!
 

patrica and edw jones (190)
Wednesday November 3, 2010, 1:37 am
Was able to sign for you Apolonia - thanks so much.
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday November 3, 2010, 2:38 am
Gloria Hafner
"Wasn't Hitler quoted in saying" tell a lie often enough, and people will believe it". (?)"
- No, it was Reichspropaganda Minister Goebbels
The same who received an other 30million Reichsmark replenishment to continue the war against Eastern Jews from Churchill.
(The same source who grant Hitler 60million Reichsmark to start this Nazi regime)
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday November 3, 2010, 2:48 am
Thank you for your article Apolonia!

History has become so much falsified.
In which presence - and future will we live?

Todays fascism does not need brown uniforms.
They come in casual and pinstripes and we DEMAND it to enter our homes 24-7.

Unfortunately for the people of the world everything is going according to the New World Order Plan. But what is this New World Order Plan?
In a nutshell the Plan is this.
The Dark Agenda of the secret planners of the New World Order is to reduce the world's population to a "sustainable" level "in perpetual balance with nature" by a ruthless Population Control Agenda via Population and Reproduction Control. A Mass Culling of the People via Planned Parenthood, toxic adulteration of water and food supplies, release of weaponised man-made viruses, man-made pandemics, mass vaccination campaigns and a planned Third World War.
Then, the Dark Agenda will impose upon the drastically reduced world population a global feudal-fascist state with a World Government, World Religion, World Army, World Central Bank, World Currency and a micro-chipped population.
In short, to kill 90% of the world's population and to control all aspects of the human condition and thus rule everyone, everywhere from the cradle to the grave.


"The less people know about what is really going on, the easier it is to wield power, and authority." Charles "Windsor," - Prince of Wales and heir to the British throne.
 

Diane L (110)
Wednesday November 3, 2010, 4:30 am
Carl, your rantings border on being offensive. Seriously, you can't possibly believe, unless you are truly delusional, that there is any relevance to what Hitler did in Nazi Germany to Planned Parenthood? OMG, anybody with half a brain understands that we need to put a stop to spitting out dozens of children when the environment is being destroyed, resources being consumed at a rate which cannot sustain the populations, etc.? Simply PREVENTING pregnancies is not the same as destroying living, breathing human beings.

I am truly shocked that a discussion that simply was a bit "mis-guided" (in my opinion) has digressed into a magnet for the ramblings of doomsday "theorists". Oh, BTW, LOVE the quote by "His Majesty". Honestly, I don't think he's smart enough to have said that.
 

Kathleen W. (0)
Wednesday November 3, 2010, 4:35 am
Thanks!
 

Apolonia P (392)
Wednesday November 3, 2010, 4:53 am
Goebbels's saying "tell a lie often enough, and people will believe it" is still used in media. They created term Holocaust Denial/ Holocaustleugnung, (which is punishable). There's many deceitful interpretations of history even In German handbooks. Recently German media suggested that it was Poland who began WW2! What will be the next?....
BTW: Diane L.,, your posts could be taken as "being offensive as well and some others....But definitely not Chris'es nor Carl's.....
 

Liz NO FWDS G (60)
Wednesday November 3, 2010, 5:52 am
noted and signed,i find it upsetting and heartbreaking when watching programmes on the television about the concentration camps and all that these poor people suffered,we must never forget and all chidren should be made aware of these atrocities in schools so future generations will remember the death camps and i pray that this will never happen again.thank you Apolonia.Liz Findlay
 

Gary C (5)
Wednesday November 3, 2010, 8:37 am
noted and signed thankyou....
 

Roxana Cortijo (171)
Wednesday November 3, 2010, 8:45 am
Noted and signed. Thanks Apolonia.
 

Apolonia P (392)
Wednesday November 3, 2010, 8:58 am
For Youra and others, who can't understand how the PAST affects and influences our PRESENT I recommend to watch this video about very connected subject: http://www.wideo.fr/video/iLyROoaftC6E.html .


 

Erica D (75)
Wednesday November 3, 2010, 10:20 am
I think it is more accurate to call all concentration camps "Nazi concentration camps." since they were all run by Nazis, and not necessarily the citizens of the invaded countries. Also, the invaded countries then became part of the Nazi empire. I do not think it is accurate to say "Polish concentration camps" to mean concentration camps located in modern-day Poland.
 

Jason Green (235)
Wednesday November 3, 2010, 10:54 am
Thank you for your support on this important matter.

 

Jaclin S (230)
Wednesday November 3, 2010, 11:50 am
Aplonia thank you for this post - noted and shared on fb. The Nazi Concentration Camps where the acts of absolute maniacs - the suffering of those poor souls inexcuseable. Peace Harmony To All.
 

Michaela M (5)
Wednesday November 3, 2010, 12:37 pm
Thank you for bringing this to us to sign! The world must never forget and as important the world must have an accurate accounting- Nie wieder-
 

Rhonda Maness (580)
Wednesday November 3, 2010, 3:04 pm
Thanks Apolonia
 

Adam P (10)
Wednesday November 3, 2010, 4:08 pm
Done. Thanks for sharing!
 

. (0)
Wednesday November 3, 2010, 5:17 pm
Petition signed.
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday November 3, 2010, 5:49 pm
This is, indeed very important. Thank you Apolonia.
 

Maya K (41)
Wednesday November 3, 2010, 6:35 pm
I totally agree with Apolonia that this issue is very important one. Poland, which deserves forever appreciation and admiration for her heroic actions saving millions of lives and suffering at the same time endlessly, loosing millions of their own should not be called so carelessly by those who do not have an idea about events that past and that no so long ago. Is that so difficult to call things as they are? By their right names? And not making "shortcuts" that unfortunately create totally different meaning that is actually harmful to Poland's reputation?
Who would not think from those who do not know history and are from younger generation (not even being taught history) and reading expression: "Poland's concentration camps" that those were not created by Poland? Just reading such a sentence must be very bothersome to people of Poland. It must touch their souls and hearts painfully and injustice must be strongly felt. For God's sake, change this convenient simplification and make connection here with those who really created those camps. They are Nazi's concentrations camps. Those who are using what I could call "Insult to Poland" expression should either learn history and put their facts straight, or simply become more civil and at least try to understand the deep roots of all this. Apolonia is standing for her country and deserves our support. Viva Poland!
 

Kit H (173)
Wednesday November 3, 2010, 6:50 pm
Noted and shared
 

Gail Lopez (65)
Wednesday November 3, 2010, 8:33 pm
Noted, signed, shared. Thank you!
 

John McLane (25)
Wednesday November 3, 2010, 9:29 pm
Noted, signed and shared. Thank you, Apolonia.
 

Charlie L (47)
Thursday November 4, 2010, 12:49 am
Thank you Apolonia and thanks to Hans for forwarding.

I signed the petition although I don't recall ever hearing of Nazi concentration camps being referred to as Polish including the ones that were located in Poland. If indeed they were ever referred to as Polish, it's wrong and certainly should never happen. As for the contention that only Poles were the only ones killed for helping the Jews I don't see how that can be true. It's well documented that the Nazis killed anyone found to be protecting Jews. There have been stories about it on the History channel. Many people in the resistance were arrested and tortured to try to get them to inform the Nazis on where Jews and others being hunted were hiding. Few if any of them survived the interogations. There were others who were simply shot.

About the alleged concentration camps in the U.S., a chilling thought, but certainly plausible. Powers on high might want to thin out the population so that they won't have to pay out as much in social security checks. Considering how ruthless and corrupt politicians are it seems that anything is possible.
 

Brigitte S (20)
Thursday November 4, 2010, 1:46 am
Poland was the only country whose citizens suffered the death penalty for rescuing Jews. Sorry but this is NOT correct! In all occupied countries the rescue of Jews was a death penalty. Or if the NAZI's did not find the 'guilty'one(s) they just executed a bunch of villagers.
But you are right THE USA PRESS should adress the camps as NAZI concentrationcamps and not Polish camps
 

Tonya P (6)
Thursday November 4, 2010, 4:07 am
signed and noted
 

Krasimira B (175)
Thursday November 4, 2010, 4:29 am
Something interesting, that few people know. No one of the 8500 Bulgarian Jews was sent to the Nazi concentrations camps. Everybody was against - the People, the Church, the Parliament and the Tzar, despite the great pressure. Tzar Boris III died short after his last meeting with Hitler.
 

Anna Borsey (66)
Thursday November 4, 2010, 6:54 am
Diane L. - It IS vital to attempt to correct mistakes about important issues. I am afraid that it is becoming increasingly common for younger people (NOT all, but a great many - far too many to just ignore it and put it down to youthful folly and ignorance) to be utterly ignorant about the past. I see it so often in articles and books these years, and most of these are written by people under ca 40-45 years of age. All it takes is for this error, i.e., referring to Auschwitz as a Polish death camp, to be printed in a few different articles and be repeated in a few chat shows or other TV programs to stick in many (younger) people's minds, and they in their turn repeat this alleged "fact", without checking it. Time passes, and one day the truth is largely forgotten, as gradually the people who are old enough to know the truth die.

The point here is not that throughout your lifetime you have never read or heard this un-truth; the point is, it is being printed and proliferated NOW, precisely because many of the older generations are being replaced by younger people with utterly different attitudes and inclinations. As other people have stated before me (in broadly similar wording): The world was created last Thursday, and anything that happened some 60-70 years ago, especially in a far distant part of the world, is of very little interest to most younger people.
 

Apolonia P (392)
Thursday November 4, 2010, 7:19 am
That's the point !!! 1000000000000 kudos for you Anna! @}-,-',-'-,-----------
I have to repeat again: lies about "Polish c.c." were used many times in American and German media for years, and journalists and editors even didn't want to apologize for their mistakes nor publish any rectification. Polish diplomacy struggles for that since many years, but no visible results, although such lies can be taken as continuation of HOLOCAUST DENIAL (what is punishable, but only on paper, not in practice). .So we Poles have to protest against it and we need your support.
 

Alamzeb Khan (401)
Thursday November 4, 2010, 8:33 am
noted thanks
 

Mary Halwa (119)
Thursday November 4, 2010, 12:49 pm
Thank you for the info. Signed!
 

Past Member (0)
Thursday November 4, 2010, 1:53 pm
Signed and noted.
 

. (0)
Thursday November 4, 2010, 2:09 pm
Signed with thanks.
 

Mary Donnelly (47)
Thursday November 4, 2010, 3:20 pm
Thanks Apolonis. Signed and sent.
 

Diane L (110)
Thursday November 4, 2010, 5:30 pm
Anna, I DO understand your point. I just have never read or heard the term "Polish Concentration Camps"...........EVER! I guess there are those that are being raised these days by the ignorant, white supremacist skinhead types who are trying to deny such atrocities ever even happened, and are teaching their kids to believe or not believe, the same lies. I live in the Puget Sound area of Washington State, and we're pretty liberal as far as beliefs and a very diverse mixture of races, NOT to mention nationalities. However, my daughter lives near the Wash/Idaho border, and the Arien Nations (white supremacists) are close-by in Couer D'Alene. She's encountered some of them when she goes into Spokane. They are flat out NUTS!

I've seen episodes on Law & Order:SVU that addresses the issue of the Holocaust, and recently there was one where the subject of denial came out when they put a "witness" on the stand to testify about a murder of a person who was Jewish. The hatred and falsehoods that spilled out of this person's mouth was so horrific, you could hardly believe they'd even use that as DRAMA, but the actors did a very good job at being believable. You could see the SHOCK on the faces of those portraying jurors. When you watch this stuff, the reaction is, "Oh, just a TV show.........not REAL". I grew up knowing the truth and while my parents weren't liberal by any sense of the imagination, I was. I got into some pretty heated arguments with my Mother, a close-minded bigot.
 

. (0)
Thursday November 4, 2010, 7:08 pm
Petition on German Concentration Camps
Thank you for your support on this important matter.

 

Marianne S (32)
Friday November 5, 2010, 8:19 am
Thank you for sharing this; and, yes, it is a very important issue.
 

Charmaine C (177)
Friday November 5, 2010, 9:53 am
I've never been confused and never seen it written like this.
 

Susan Pernot (75)
Friday November 5, 2010, 10:20 am
Signed, this a very important issue that must be recognized by everyone.
 

Roberto Vivas (48)
Friday November 5, 2010, 11:20 am
Its unbelievable how this is still allowed in the world;they have Gulags in Korea,Illegal Immigrant hold ups in Arizona,.who should we vote for...
 

Claudia McCall (43)
Friday November 5, 2010, 12:59 pm
Signed and noted. Thank you, Apolonia. I was not aware this was going on, so I certainly appreciate you bringing this to our attention. Those of you who are not aware of what is going on in the world today re: the New World Order, please Google "Denver Airport" or take a look at Jesse Ventura's show about it on Tru TV. The NWO's intentions seem pretty clear for those who are willing to look. And somebody's "near offensive rant" is just him trying to alert those who seem to be asleep.
 

Evelyn Z (300)
Friday November 5, 2010, 4:50 pm
Thank you Apolonia.
Noted & Signed
 

Teresa K (33)
Friday November 5, 2010, 5:47 pm
Done and done. Thanks
 

Dee C (23)
Saturday November 6, 2010, 10:40 am
Thank you Apolonia..
Noted & signed..
 

lynda c (29)
Saturday November 6, 2010, 2:16 pm
Thanks for submitting this...signed with a heavy heart :(((((((
 

Judith C (159)
Saturday November 6, 2010, 5:22 pm
signed
 

Pat B (356)
Saturday November 6, 2010, 8:27 pm
Thank you Apolonia. Signed.
 

Eli T (90)
Sunday November 7, 2010, 1:30 am
Thankyou Apolonia for the Petition. Isn't it a sad world where such things are denied. Where petitions have to be signed to demand the truth must be recognised. The right to the truth should be everyones legal right. One would have to be blind deaf and exceedingly dumb to denie the holocaust. I guess being human does not automatically come with intellegance.
 

gail dair (0)
Sunday November 7, 2010, 2:36 am
signed ty
 

Kerrie G (116)
Sunday November 7, 2010, 5:12 am
Signed and noted, thanks.
 

Trequl M (170)
Sunday November 7, 2010, 9:44 am
Noted & signed..
 

greenplanet e (155)
Sunday November 7, 2010, 11:33 am
Poland suffered tremendously under Nazi occupation, and there was a large resistance movement there.
The Nazi death camps and Warsaw ghetto etc were appalling.

World War II started in 1939, not 1941. Canada, New Zealand and Australia etc joined the war effort in 1939, declaring war on Germany along with Britain.
 

greenplanet e (155)
Sunday November 7, 2010, 12:25 pm
There is some debate whether some in the US govt knew the Pearl Harbour attack was imminent.

Before Pearl Harbour, many in Congress and the US public were "isolationist" and didn't want to get involved in WWII.

Some (eg corporations) in the US made a lot of money from the war, both pre- and after 1941. The US might have had the military capacity to prevent a lot of deaths, while others bravely fought and died 1939-1941.

The US has never been bombed or occupied to the extent that countries in Europe (and elsewhere) have.
 

Jan N (85)
Sunday November 7, 2010, 1:08 pm
Signed.
 

Rose Becke (141)
Sunday November 7, 2010, 3:26 pm
Signed
 

Diane L (110)
Sunday November 7, 2010, 8:17 pm
If people are going to want to "correct" erroneous journalism that is seen in a newspaper or magazine article 60 years after the fact, and that isn't being circulated in mainstream sources, then let's stick to facts in this discussion as well. Koo J., you said that Canada "declared War in 1939", which is different than what is stated in Wikipedia, and since I wasn't born until 1941, I can't refute that, but doubt you can, either. Here's the link.............

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/When_did_Canada_become_involved_in_World_War_2

What I'm saying is that it is digressing and irrelevant as to when the U.S. officially entered the war in Europe, or when Canada did. The implication is being made by some that the U.S. just "sat on it's collective hands" and ignored the war in Europe, which is far from truthful. Roosevelt was very much involved, just didn't formally DECLARE war as he did against the Japanese. GOOGLE it and read the facts. There are at LEAST a dozen websites devoted to "time lines" in WWII. Yes, there is a lot of opposing opinions as to what actually led up to the U.S. declaring war on Japan, and when they realized Japan was on the offensive. I think sinking half the fleet in the Pacific might have been the "trick"?

Again, I'm NOT saying that IF there was an article stating that the "death camps" were "Polish" were published somewhere, that is acceptable.........it's NOT. However, neither is it acceptable to ME, as a born in the U.S. citizen, to hear that the U.S. didn't CARE or never became involved at all until they lost a "few" lives in Pearl Harbor. I'm getting a bit sick and tired of hearing how we didn't care, yet we're blamed constantly for not keeping the peace or curing all the world's problems. If we DO get involved, we're told to "mind our own business" and "stop trying to be the world's police", and if we don't, we are parties to genocide and worse. I sincerely doubt the war in Europe would have resulted the same if the U.S. hadn't invaded Normandy. I was just a little kid then, so don't remember all the facts, but doubt any of you do, either.
 

greenplanet e (155)
Sunday November 7, 2010, 8:32 pm
Diane L. I have no idea what you are looking at when you cite 1942 as the year Canada entered WWII. In every source, Canada declared war on Germany on 10 Sept 1939.

The world and US military involvement in it changed since WWII. Situations since then have been very different to WWII.
 

Diane L (110)
Sunday November 7, 2010, 9:54 pm
Koo, I posted the link to the website. Did you not bother to open it? Did you NOT read it? I was born in Nov. of 1941, so wasn't alive in 1939, and unless you were already an adult then, you can only do the same thing as most of us, including myself, which is read online or in books as to dates and what happened. I remember much of the dates from my childhood but not details BEFORE I was born, which was in Seattle, Washington, but DO remember very well the air raids and my parents fearing for bombings from Japan, since we have so many naval bases here. Fact is, I never said that the Polish were responsible for the concentration camps, only that IF they were linked by the word "Polish", that was in inaccuracy, one which the author has yet to substantiate........just a story that said it happened in a couple of newspapers. If that is the case, then YES, of course, those authors and newspapers should publish a correction. However, FACTS are that the entire story is NOT factual.................example:

"ONLY Poland suffered the DEATH PENALTY for harboring Jews"!............NOT TRUE!
...........do you NOT remember Anne Frank? She died in Amsterdam!

Getting back to YOUR comment, Roo K., it doesn't MATTER if it was 1939 or 1942 when Canada OFFICIALLY declared War on Germany. I'm sure Canadian soldiers were fighting in Europe, SAME AS American soldiers were, same as American soldiers were in North Africa. Just saying it's irrelevant and twisting around history to imply that the majority of people now-a-days are in denial of the Holocaust or that America didn't get involved in the war in Europe until way, WAY after the U.K., or any other European country. We never actually DECLARED war on North Vietnam, either, but do you want to say we didn't fight there or lose HUNDREDS of thousands of U.S. military there? IF this article had come across as wanting to simply correct the mis-information in a few obscure newspapers "somewhere", I'd have no problem with that, but the implication is that it is widespread, and it's NOT. Nor is it fair to say that the U.S. sat on it's laurels and was in denial about Hitler. Want to bash a country for NOT being involved, why not bash Switzerland? My family lost several members to WWII, both in the South Pacific AND in France. My father volunteered, but had poor eyesight, so they rejected him. Again, if you want FACTS, "Google" them, and not just one website. Wikipedia has several references, INCLUDING when Canada got involved. The one I provided a link from was "ASK.COM".
 

greenplanet e (155)
Sunday November 7, 2010, 10:12 pm
"ask-com" is hardly authoritative.

please take your own advice about googling more than one website, and maybe look at some books.

if history was just "what people remembered", then there'd be no history after 60-80 years.

I haven't said all that stuff you follow with, so won't comment further.


 

greenplanet e (155)
Sunday November 7, 2010, 10:30 pm
It may offend some people actually that their war effort and sacrifices in WWII are not recognzied, so, yes, it does make a difference to say whether Canada declared war in 1939 or 1942.

It also offends some people that the US takes all the credit for winning WWII when other countries, whose resources and people were already stretched, had been fighting and dying for 2 years, and who continued to fight and die until 1945.

Switzertand declared itself neutral, which the US did not.

I get the impression, Diane L, that you'd like to believe that the US or US foreign policy is always "good", when events have shown that ithat s debatable. But if that's what you want to believe, then that is your choice. I am not here to argue with you.
 

Diane L (110)
Sunday November 7, 2010, 10:52 pm
Actually, the link is supplied by Wikipedia, but it is only one of many, and I never said that I hadn't check more than one website out. I just said that there are DOZENS referring to dates. You're last sentence pretty much sums up what I was implying...........many of the "facts" inferred in the article are false or mis-leading, and I'm guessing that you only care to address the one that matters to you, personally..........whatever date CANADA entered WWII?

I am getting the impression that some people only want to argue with others if they want to "nit-pick" over one particular detail. As I said, the "official" date is irrelevant. It's the tone of the article and mis-impressins that I want to address. Roo, I never said YOU had "bashed" Americans for not coming into WWII at the very begining, and actually, you just joined this discussion today, but if you go back thru many of the previous hundreds of comments, they're there and as an American, I'm just getting tired of reading how Poland was the one and ONLY victim of the war, when it was one of many, INCLUDING those Americans who did lose their lives on foreign soil, trying to prevent a dictator from going any further into ALLIED territories.

I definitely think it's important for everyone, and I DO mean EVERYONE to remember history accurately, but putting together a petition to "right" the "wrong" of some un-intelligent writer who ran their mouth in some obscure newspaper is a waste of effort. If this was let's say, for instance, Dan Rather (who died recently) or Walter Cronkite (again, passed away) who was spewing such inaccuracies as the concentration camps being POLISH, I'd be the first in line to sign a petition to tell them to get their facts straight! It's as much of a waste of my time as signing the ones telling Sarah Palin she's incorrect about "Obama's Death Squads" or Glenn Beck's rantings or some of the garbage spewing from Rush Limbaugh! They actually thrive on the attention, not that anyone finds what they say wrong and without facts! If these WRITTEN articles stated that the Polish were responsible, then the writers COULD be sued for "libel", I suppose, but they didn't state that. They're only "guilty" of taking a writer's liberty and advantage of the "freedom of the press" and unfortunately, it does give the wrong impression to those who don't know differently, I guess, but a petition isn't going to change that!
 

greenplanet e (155)
Sunday November 7, 2010, 11:20 pm
It's not "nitpicking" to correct an error. Nor is it "arguing". It seems to have been you who brought up the wrong year in the first place, and keep insisting it is right.

That is obviously not all I care about.


If you google "when did Canada declare war on Germany WWII" or similar, the date that comes up over and over is 10 Sept 1939. If you look in a history book, the date is 10 Sept 1939. If you are seeing "1942" then there is nothing anyone can say.

Over and out.
 

Diane L (110)
Sunday November 7, 2010, 11:40 pm
It's nitpicking when you take one "fact" from one comment from one person, out of an entire article that is focused on an entirely different aspect/subject and make a big deal out of it. Whether Canada got involved in 1839 vs. 1939 or 1942 is not the issue. It's arguing when you single out one statement to address, but ignore all the others that have something to do with the subject of the article. Yes, that's exactly the statement I Googled, just worded it a bit different............"when did Canda get INVOLVED with WWII", and the website I provided the link to was the 2nd one in the list. It was the easiest to access and stated dates in the best format. Yes, I'm seeing 1942.........it's right THERE. Have you even bothered YET to click on it? MAYBE that IS incorrect, but that's not the point or relevant to the subject. If it was, then why NOT address the other statements made which are also incorrect, such as the one I mentioned about Poland being the ONLY country, whatever? I actually NEVER said 1942 was correct. In fact, I specifically said I wasn't even born then. Please, if you're going to "quote" me, quote what I said accurately. I said that is the date as STATED in one of many websites which I researched.

You "corrected" me about Switzerland being "neutral" vs. not declaring war. That's also irrelevant. If you're going to make a big deal out of Canada getting involved in WWII before the U.S., implying that we didn't support our allies, what about Vietnam and the fact that Canada took draft dodgers in and protected them, and wouldn't support the U.S. in that, and where were all our allies after 9/11? We could go on and on, and it serves no purpose, does it? I never said the U.S. was always right in their policies about all military involvement. If I had my way, we'd have stayed out of Iraq, and Afghanistan. I definitely was not supportive of our involvement in Vietnam, losing many of my classmates to that, and also a few to the Korean War. My son was in Iraq, so I'm definitely OF an opinion there firsthand! My grandson is a former Army Ranger as well. And the relevance of all that is WHAT, you might ask? Just that I do have a bit of first-hand knowledge of facts on the U.S.'s involvements and am entitled to my opinions, same as you, and not sure what yours are except to dispute a date that doesn't actually have any relevance to the topic.
 

Eli T (90)
Monday November 8, 2010, 12:46 am
Many things can be googled and there is so much info around, pros and cons. One peice of info I would like to bring light to is Morrocco. The Morroccan answer to the Germans when their tanks came rolling in was the one I will never forget. Yes there were many who helped the Jews. But non as Morrocco. When the Germans Came to Morrocco asking for the Jews to be handed over, the answer of the Morroccan king was ' I see no Jews, Just Morroccans. Not 1 Jew was handed over by Morrocco.
 

Apolonia P (392)
Monday November 8, 2010, 2:52 am
Diane L wrote: "ONLY Poland suffered the DEATH PENALTY for harboring Jews"!............NOT TRUE! do you NOT remember Anne Frank? She died in Amsterdam! "
Next LIE, because Anne Frank didn't harboring none Jews, but she WAS a Jew. Her family went into hiding in their own home in Amsterdam. After 2 years because of denuntiation by one Dutchman Frank family was transported to c.c. in Bergen-Belsen. Anna died there because of typhus in 1945.
It's next example how Daiane L. manipulates facts to prove her own theories and views on history. :-((((
 

Agbeko H (35)
Monday November 8, 2010, 10:30 am
Noted, Signed and Shared
 

Past Member (0)
Monday November 8, 2010, 4:47 pm
Noted & signed.
Thanks for keeping historical accuracy Apolonia.
 

Diane L (110)
Monday November 8, 2010, 5:31 pm
Nobody manipulated facts! I posted a link to a website. Where on earth did I say that Anne Frank harbored Jews? WHERE did I lie? I mentioned Anne Frank as an example of a Jew who DIED and she was not Polish, but rather born in Germany....ie, they were GERMANS, captured in The Netherlands, being betrayed by Belgians, and yes,she died of typhus, but in a Nzai concentration camp. I apologize for making the "error" that she died in Amsterdam, when I meant that it was in The Netherlands where she had gone into hiding with her family and it was THERE where they were captured and sent to concentration camps. My POINT is that there seems to be a lack of adhering to facts in the original article, as well as ignoring the corrections pointed out by various members, not just myself. If you wish to keep perpetuating the idea that it was only Polish who suffered and died at the hands of Nazis, then I won't comment further, since it seems to be wasted on "deaf ears". In my opinion, this serves no purpose other than perpetuating the anger, much of which results from mis-information.
 

Joy W (100)
Tuesday November 9, 2010, 7:39 am
Noted and signed, thanks Apolonia .
 

j C (63)
Tuesday November 9, 2010, 7:50 am
My goodness! What a reaction to this petition's request!! Let's go back to the original point. I, for one, have not noted any references to "Polish death camps," so I must go with the assumption that this is a recent trend. I will also assume that the writers who use such an inaccurate label are young writers. They obviously missed the unit on Nazi death camps in their history classes (Please don't tell me none was offered!!) Shame on their editors for not correcting the poor phrasing and ignorance! Shame on the media for copying the phrase from each other and not doing their own reporting! If we can't trust the better papers and magazines to report with historical accuracy, then we cannot trust them to report on the present with any accuracy. But then, I think we know that.

I signed and noted with pleasure!
 

Patricia Myers (73)
Tuesday November 9, 2010, 11:56 am
THANKYOU SIGNED&NOTED
 

Eva L (93)
Tuesday November 9, 2010, 1:32 pm
Noted and signed, thanks Apolonia !
 

greenplanet e (155)
Tuesday November 9, 2010, 2:04 pm
It's important to have accuracy in word, dates, and circumstances -- otherwise what is the point of history?
 

Diane L (110)
Tuesday November 9, 2010, 11:27 pm
Jan C...............EXACTLY. Well stated.
 

Susan D (116)
Wednesday November 10, 2010, 4:58 pm
Signed. "Thank you for your support on this important matter. If you don't see your name immediately, please do not sign again. Your name will appear within 20 minutes."

To Chris B-- you are right in that the US would NEVER have joined in if not for Pearl Harbor.
But in your list of Allies, don't forget Russia-- without them the war could not have been won. They kept Hitler busy on the Eastern front.

 

Susan D (116)
Wednesday November 10, 2010, 5:08 pm
Just read some of the comments...
Diane L, you talk of ... (America was right not to "jump in") -- but, jumping in was not even on the radar-- Churchill had begged the US for help but they refused until it suited them... just as, after ther war, when the UK was practically bankrupt, they consistently refused a loan -- until it got to the point where it looked likely that the alternative was that the UK could become Communist-- only then did they lend. (Incidentally, that loan was only recently paid off, during the time of Tony Blair.)
 

Susan D (116)
Wednesday November 10, 2010, 5:27 pm
"You cannot send a star to Anna Borsey".
 

Susan D (116)
Wednesday November 10, 2010, 5:43 pm
I feel that Diane L lets her patriotism blind her to facts. To cite Anne Frank as an example of people other than Poles facing the death penalty for "harboring Jews" is incorrect, since Anne was not sent to the death camp for "harboring Jews" but because she WAS a Jew.
There are many sources from which to obtain knowledge about WW2 or indeed any subject in history, and in order to obtain the truth it will be sometimes necessary to go not to someone else's account, eg Wikipedia, but to original documents. Thus, you can see what has actually been written from one party to another eg declarations of war and suchlike.
To imagine that you know what happened re. Pearl Harbor by watching the recent Hollywood film is like believing that Santa exists because you "saw him" in a store. The recent film is so obviously made in order to appeal to the American public, and is entertainment, not education. Thank goodness most people can tell the difference.
There is, however, a film much nearer to reality, though still no doubt a subtle form of propaganda, like all of the genre, made in the 1940s, in b/w.
 

Susan D (116)
Wednesday November 10, 2010, 6:00 pm
I wonder if some people realize that Wikipedia "facts" can be added to by anyone who cares to do so. If you think you have something to add, you may add it. This means that anything you read on there may well be accurate... or may not be.
 

Diane L (110)
Wednesday November 10, 2010, 10:38 pm
Yes, Susan, I AM patriotic, and I respectfully resent your criticism of that fact, and no, I'm not "blinded" by it at all. Simply annoyed at the insinuations being given, and the nit-picking. I said that Anne Frank was an example of how other countries were involved with hiding Jews and it wasn't ONLY Poland, which is the topic of this discussion. I did NOT say she was executed for harboring Jews, did I?

As for your remark about the U.S. not helping the U.K., and not lending any money until there was a possibility of it becoming a Communist country, I suggest you get YOUR facts straight. Communism wasn't a factor in WWII, and unless you can substantiate your information as to these loans, I'm going to ignore them. Keep in mind that the U.K. OWNS half of the U.S., so this simply doesn't make much sense. BTW, I don't believe I ever said that the movie, Pearl Harbor was 100% factual, only used what was brought out in that movie (and other documentaries) regarding the "missing communication" as an example of how politicians messed up, and that only recently was this information made public.
 

Diane L (110)
Wednesday November 10, 2010, 10:51 pm
Susan, regarding "Wikipedia", you are "partially" correct, however, what facts or information is added or edited in that site is always checked and RE-CHECKED by their "experts" before being allowed to be seen by the general public. If not, just think about the ramifications of erroneous statements made by just "anyone". If you want to insinuate that statements in that site are not to be believed, then why not doubt the accusations being made in this article as well? I've asked repeatedly for said information to back up the allegations of "POLISH Concentration Camps" being widely publicized in mainstream news media, and yet to see a single source mentioned. I'm NOT disputing that such incorrect phrases were used "somewhere", but it's the insinuation that they're widespread in MAINSTREAM media, by authors who the general public respects and BELIEVES is what bothers me. I never, EVER assume anything as fact, simply "because" I read it in one website, or even in Wikipedia, since I actually DO know better. I won't digress with specifics, but yes, Wikipedia makes mistakes. One has to check out several online sources, check their "bibliography" and "references" and go from there. If, for instance, you read a long rant about something, and don't recognize the author, scroll down and see something such as, "read in the daily BLITZ newspaper", I'd not give it much credance, or if it listed only ONE study, or only ONE author. However, if you see 30 - 40 or more legitimate sources of information, then it's much more likely to be FACT. Hope that makes sense?
 

Diane L (110)
Wednesday November 10, 2010, 11:09 pm
I really think bringing up loans from one country to another that happened so long ago as to NOBODY here knowing facts from personal knowledge, is not only "stirring-the-pot" (in the context in which they were introduced), but not relevant to the discussion in the first place. If one is going to drag such "information" into this discussion, why NOT bash Sweden for loaning money to Nazi Germany?

Just so the actual facts about these loans are known, here's only ONE website that addresses them............there are at least a dozen, but this one has the most information as far as dates, and amounts of money involved, as well as the reasons behind the loans........and, as you can plainly read, loans were made to MANY countries. Fact is, the U.S. has loaned BILLIONS of dollars to other countries, most of which has never been repaid, yet half the business' in this country are owned by foreign corporations, including those based in the very countries that still owe us money. And, you may ask, what is the relevance of this to the discussion? NOTHING!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lend-Lease

 

Winefred M (88)
Friday November 12, 2010, 4:43 pm
Noted and signed.
 

jane richmond (10)
Saturday November 13, 2010, 2:14 pm
Credit where credit is due. The camps were NOT a Polish creation.
Signed and Noted.
Thank you.
 

Ruth McD (839)
Tuesday November 16, 2010, 12:10 pm
Signed. This was such an awful period in time. I don't understand how people can treat other people that way and kill them. Thanks Apolonia!
 

Andrew Butt (84)
Tuesday November 16, 2010, 3:10 pm
Thanks Apolonia, some very interesting comments, signed.
 

Ramona Thompson (210)
Thursday November 18, 2010, 7:38 am
Apolonia, I signed the petition some time back. Since I have just found the actual "note" click site here, I have noted although this was read, signed, and forwarded awhile back. Thank you for reminding me to "note" my dear friend.
 

Natalie Away J (125)
Saturday November 20, 2010, 5:20 am
Extermination camps were built by the Nazi Germans and not Poland. Unbelievably some people don't believe the Holocaust even happened, but it did.
 

Edward Donoghue (8)
Saturday November 20, 2010, 3:29 pm
I have stood under this gate - seen the barracks and the ovens - we should never forget it happened and who is responsible.
 

Jesus Erminy (13)
Wednesday December 1, 2010, 9:22 am
human cruelty is the worst to happen and tha is what happened in this camps
 

Richelle R (62)
Wednesday December 1, 2010, 2:14 pm
Thank you. Signed once my computer found it!
 

Anna Borsey (66)
Thursday December 2, 2010, 4:15 pm
@ Diane L. - "Keep in mind that the U.K. OWNS half of the U.S., so this simply doesn't make much sense."

Ummm . . . the UK is bankrupt several times over, my dear! How on earth did you get the idea that this poor, tiny island kingdom sometimes known as "Great Britain" OWNS half of the United States? The national debt in the UK officially stands at well over 9 billion £ sterling!

http://www.economicshelp.org/blog/uk-economy/uk-national-debt/
"From figures published September 2010, UK public sector net debt was £952.8 billion. (or 64.6% of National GDP) – Source: Office National Statistics [1] (page updated October 25, 2010)"

"Fri Dec 29, 2006 at 05:28:08 AM PST
Today the British government made the final payment of the debt taken out at the end of WWII to the USA and Canada. The loans taken out in 1945 from the US and 1946 from Canada were to pay for equipment remainining in the UK after the war which was still needed and for food. Even with those loans rationing continued and was even extended to cover bread."
(Susan - You are quite right! I did not know this until I checked it just now!)

"When payment for the equipment to be left to aid the reconstruction effort was demanded at the end of the war it therefore caused some consider it churlish, no matter that the price was 10 cents on the dollar and the loans were at 2% interest. Those with that opinion included the economist John Maynard Keynes. There were even proposals to relieve the debt by selling colonies like the Bahamas to America."

 

Diane L (110)
Thursday December 2, 2010, 11:26 pm
Aha, you're once again dragging non-relevant issues into the discussion, which actually, I'd thought had died a long-overdue natural death (referring to this discussion, not the topic itself of concentration camps existing or who was responsible for them). The loans referred to have already been discussed and ADDRESSED, and I never implied or SAID that the Government owns anything in the U.S., only that much, if not HALF of my country is owned by foreigners, INCLUDING the British. Geez, if memory serves, isn't BP a BRITISH owned corporation? They are listed as one of the top THREE corporations in the world, if not THE wealthiest, and yes, they own or lease a ton of land in this country. Again, all IRRELEVANT to the discussion. If you read at all, you'll find articles stating that "this" country and "that" country are bankrupt. The U.S. has loaned BILLIONS of dollars to those countries, all the while, THEY are selling their products HERE at lower prices and taking jobs away from U.S. citizens, and NOT repaying their loans, yet they LOANING money to the U.S. at higher interest rates than the loans THEY still owe on, which they don't pay. Let's use China as an example, because you obviously think the U.K. is blameless. The money that was used for the bail out of the auto industry was obtained by loans from China, yet CHINA owes the U.S. billions more than they loaned us. Make any sense at all? It doesn't to me!
 

Ludger W (65)
Monday December 6, 2010, 4:27 am
signed, ty
 

Past Member (0)
Monday December 6, 2010, 6:02 am
Thank you Apolonia, for sharing this with us. I have always had a soft spot in my heart for the People who suffered through this. Obviously the whole truth about Poland's involvment is not being told. We must continually learn and never forget what happened : we must not lull ourselves into complacency about this matter so that this part of History will not repeat itself.
 

Past Member (0)
Monday December 6, 2010, 8:27 am
Noted and signed
 

Marjolein soederhuizen (284)
Monday December 6, 2010, 9:43 am
I lost 137 members of my family during the war, i am born in 1951 and most of my family was already dead, it was horrible, the war and all that happend, i think it should never be forgotten, did u know the Netherlands has been rebuilt with the money off jews, who were gone, death or came back and never got their possetions back, this is how it goes, if u look around u, u see Uganda the homoe death penalty, u see China with their poverty/rich difference on unhuman level, and all over the world ppl who kill, get killed for no reason, or tortured in all kinds of way..........brrrrrrrr i am so ashamed to be on off this humans, we are not worthy to be called nature, because there is nothing natural about the human being anymore, ignorance egoisme and seflishness is all that i see...........offcourse there is a tiny group who is different, but.............only the loud ones are being heard and the loud ones dont have compassion, emphatic feelings nor look around...........
 

Nancy sands (448)
Monday December 6, 2010, 4:23 pm
I had several relatives die at the hands of the Nazis and just rekindled a relationship with one who survived from Poland and made a name for herself. Thank you Apolonia-Gladly signed!
 

Bruce Eyster (62)
Tuesday December 7, 2010, 3:47 am
Noted and Signed with Thanks .
 

ChanTlalok Rain C (363)
Thursday December 9, 2010, 7:25 pm
thanx Apolonia, a lot of comments. A Real Big Holocaust happened in the Western Hemisphere, according to my people 70 Million plus died. The whole Western Hemisphere was Stolen, can you believe that? In the U.S. of A. only 250,000 Natives were left in the 1920's. Can you believe that? I found out when I was a grown man. Yes there are a lot of lies in our School System, I heard terms such as "Manifest Destiny", "Savages", etc., etc..
Blessings!!
 

Melody Aragorn (135)
Wednesday January 5, 2011, 8:02 pm
I had to say this or it would keep playing in my head....

A Native American grandfather was talking to his grandson about how he felt. He said, I feel as if I have two wolves fighting in my heart.
One wolf is the vengeful, angry, violent one.
The other wolf is the loving, compassionate one.
The grandson asked him,
'which wolf will win the fight in your heart?'
The grandfather answered, 'The one I feed.'

Sure at the same time "When the sun rises, it rises for everyone."..
true it also brought another aspect of a change to light...

wanted to send Hans a green star, Sending a Green Star is a simple way to say "Thank you" You cannot currently send a star to Hans because you have done so within the last week.

Thanks Apolonia.



 

Apolonia P (392)
Tuesday January 11, 2011, 7:31 am
Just a note for those who said that this problem didn't exist: 31.12.2010 British "Daily Mirror" again used sentence about "Polish concentration camps", and even haven't apologised for that mistake... There was 47 such cases in media noted in 2010...
 

Süheyla C (234)
Monday January 17, 2011, 4:37 pm
noted Thanks
 

. (0)
Tuesday January 18, 2011, 9:56 am
Noted!
 

Toni C (508)
Saturday January 22, 2011, 3:35 pm
Noted and signed the petition. Thanks for the article...
 

Martina Z (138)
Saturday January 22, 2011, 6:34 pm
Could not set locale to es_ES.utf8, please check your installation.
 

Past Member (0)
Sunday January 23, 2011, 1:17 am
We must never forget this awful time. The mistake should never be repeated by new generations of politicians. There is a risk. that when those who lived then later replaced by the new generations with little knowledge of the past and therefore do not understand the terrible time of World War II.
 

Cecilia Bowerman (183)
Sunday January 23, 2011, 3:53 pm
Thanks for the info, signed
 

Apolonia P (392)
Thursday January 27, 2011, 5:11 am
Many THANKS to you all for your valuable contribute! @};-'-,-'-,-'--------Till today TKF collected about 200 000 signatures under their protest! It's very significant gift on International Holocaust Memorial Day.
 

Ira M (211)
Thursday January 27, 2011, 8:27 am
Signed and noted, thank you!
 

Patti Brown OFFLINE (81)
Monday February 7, 2011, 10:19 am
Signed and thank you Apolonia!!
 

Animal Whispere Caswell (154)
Monday February 7, 2011, 11:07 am
Noted signed and forwarded. Thank you Apolonia. Rosi Caswell Animal Whisper, Animal/Human Therapist
 

Patti Brown OFFLINE (81)
Monday February 7, 2011, 11:48 am
Noted and signed
 

Nancy Welch (68)
Monday February 7, 2011, 6:42 pm
Noted and signed. Thanks Apolonia for sharing!
 

Apolonia P (392)
Saturday March 19, 2011, 4:08 pm
Again: The New York Times continues to mislead its readers about German concentration camps. In this weekend's Sunday Magazine, it even claims that Dachau, the notorious German concentration camp near Munich, is in Poland! The New York Times also refers to Auschwitz as a Polish concentration camp.
So what can we do with this permanent ignorance?...
 

Carol C (97)
Saturday March 19, 2011, 4:33 pm
Signed and Noted. Thank you.
 

Kim O (396)
Saturday March 19, 2011, 5:06 pm
Done!! Thanks Apolonia!!
 

Cecilia Bowerman (183)
Saturday March 19, 2011, 6:13 pm
Happy to sign!!!! Thanks
 

Kristy M (70)
Saturday March 19, 2011, 11:32 pm
Not all of the facts stated in the petition are true, but it is quite valid. I have heard, "Polish death camps," several times (from people I've met and the media) and have even heard some people say that the Jewish ghettos in Poland were started by Poles. There were in fact instituted by the Nazis after the invasion! Don't get me wrong there were collaborators and anti-Semites, there are such hateful, scumbag people in every country. But in Poland, these people were the exception. Poland had the smallest amount of collaborators of the countries under Nazi control. And of the ones who did, most of those were in Eastern Poland where they supported Nazis as they considered Stalin and the NKVD worse, and not without reason. Many others (especially in western Poland) were not ethnically Polish, but in fact ethnically German.

Poland has a history of being one of the friendlist countries to European Jews since the reign of Casimir the Great. When many countries were expelling Jews, he welcomed them into Poland and gave them special protections. During WWII, many Poles did help Jews and suffered for it. More Poles have been awarded Righteous Among Nations by Isreal than peoples of any other country. What is more, Poles were persecuted by the Nazis in great numbers, with an estimated 2 million ethnic Poles having been killed. The country of Poland was considered the bane both Weimar and Nazi Germany as it took much German territory when it regained independence. But I'll stop before I get into the Partitions, etc. Don't want to be here all night.
 

Diane L (110)
Sunday March 20, 2011, 1:23 am
Well said, Caro M. Apolonia, I understand your passion and personal interest in this, but am curious, it's been another couple of months since any interest in this topic, and while I'm not, absolutely NOT suggesting anyone ever forget about the Holocaust or Auschwitz, how long are you going to keep scouring over newspapers, looking for some unfactual reference to it? Few people even read a newspaper anymore. This blog was started on Nov.1st of last year, then died out. If you're trying to get signatures on a petitition, isn't 6 months enough time?

Just because some moron writer on a newspaper made a "misnomer", why not vent to the newspaper in the first place? Why not point out to them or to the writer that he/she needs to write factual statements? Is it at ALL possible that the writer meant only that concentration camps existed in Poland, beecause they DID, and not because the Polish created them or controlled them? I'm not familiar enough with the geography, but could Dachau be close enough to the border as to warrant that error? Could the writer who said that Auschwitz was a "Polish concentration camp" merely have been referring to the fact that so many Polish died there?

As I said, we should never forget about these atrocities, but just how long are we going to "blog" about some unfactual errors referring to them "somewhere"? I find it annoying to read in articles all the time, when the author has screwed up and made some stupid mistake that to ME, matters, but to most who read it, it probably wasn't even noticed. I guess what I'm suggesting is that if you see an statement in WIKIPEDIA or some authoritative site that the concentration camps were run by the Poles, then yes, get mad, get upset, and do something about it. One article in a newspaper that probably few people read is merely one ignorant human's saying what is his/her opinion. If you notice, most newspapers have disclaimers that state that the articles written are the opinion of the writers, not the newspaper.
 

Andrea Nemec (213)
Sunday March 20, 2011, 2:25 am
Noted and signed! Thanks Apolonia!
 

Jelica R (144)
Sunday March 20, 2011, 4:59 am

223489 Signatures
 

Janine H (36)
Monday March 21, 2011, 12:32 am
Signed (noting is not possible at this moment......) Thanks Apolonia
 

Farah Hage Ali (155)
Tuesday March 22, 2011, 2:45 am
noted and signed
 

Apolonia P (392)
Tuesday March 22, 2011, 5:50 am
At last good news in that subject:

The Kosciuszko Foundation petition gets results!
The New York Times changes stylebook on concentration camps



Alex Storozynski

President & Executive Director

The Kosciuszko Foundation

15 East 65th Street

New York, NY 10065



Dear Mr. Storozynski:



After further discussions of the concerns raised by you and others, Times editors have decided to add an entry to the newsroom's stylebook specifically cautioning journalists to avoid misleading phrases like "Polish concentration camp."



As we have already pointed out, editors immediately took steps to correct the erroneous references to Dachau in an online caption over the weekend. We also published a correction about the phrase "Polish concentration camp" in an obituary last fall. We understand the great sensitivity of this topic and regret that any such lapses have occurred. But we would like to reiterate that such instances, however unfortunate, are simply mistakes, and it is wrong to suggest that they reflect any malice or deliberate distortion.



Still, to demonstrate our shared concern over this issue, we will add a note on this point to the stylebook and take extra care to try to avoid any further errors.



Sincerely,

Eileen Murphy



Eileen M. Murphy

Vice President, Corporate Communications

The New York Times Company

620 Eighth Avenue

New York, NY 10018




 

Ana F (128)
Monday July 4, 2011, 3:33 am
signed, ty
 

Sandra ;atterson (59)
Friday May 31, 2013, 8:47 pm
only noted
 

Past Member (0)
Saturday June 1, 2013, 9:15 am
NOTED,LINK NOT WORKING TO GET TO THE PETITION
 

Apolonia P (392)
Saturday June 1, 2013, 9:40 am
Over 2 years passed, so this petition was closed now....
 

Lori D (32)
Friday January 30, 2015, 4:52 pm
As an American, I apologize for this distortion of history - as Americans so often have to do.
 

Apolonia P (392)
Saturday January 31, 2015, 4:24 am
There's much less such distortions in American media since few years. But still many lies about "Polish c.camps" in German and Jewish media...
 
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