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BP Claims Czar: No Compensation for Most Victims of Oil Spill

Environment  (tags: destruction, environment, BP Oil Spill, BP damage claims )

- 3267 days ago -
Among those not entitled to compensation from the $20 billion fund, according to Feinberg, are fishermen who operated on a cash basis and tourism and home owners "not directly affected" by the oil spill.


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Barbara D (70)
Wednesday July 7, 2010, 6:57 pm
"These sweeping exclusions will likely bar the majority of the spill’s victims from any compensation.". Sickening, just sickening...

Sally Ann G (256)
Wednesday July 7, 2010, 7:13 pm
Thank you Barbara

Wednesday July 7, 2010, 7:16 pm
Thank you Barbara! Tweeted.

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Wednesday July 7, 2010, 7:19 pm

One key statement made in this article says quite a bit about this "Corporate administration":

"There has been little discussion of compensation for damages to human health, which is in keeping with BP’s and the Obama administration’s shared posture that the massive spill poses no serious health risk to either cleanup workers or to the region’s population."

Pat B (356)
Wednesday July 7, 2010, 7:30 pm
TY, Barbara for this.

Barbara D (70)
Wednesday July 7, 2010, 7:47 pm
Thanks, y'all. And special thanks, Carole, for reminding us of the big part corporatism is playing in this disaster.

Fiona Ogilvie (562)
Wednesday July 7, 2010, 7:56 pm
BP is disgusting and I knew our government would let us down.

Anne T (180)
Wednesday July 7, 2010, 8:18 pm
Noted and shared :)

H Nick H (1826)
Wednesday July 7, 2010, 8:36 pm
Another example of how oil companies control our government. Believe me, there will be lawsuits for sure.

Debbie G (306)
Wednesday July 7, 2010, 9:10 pm
This sucks, it just does and I am so sad for the fishermen, and others that made their living out of, or off of, a clean Gulf of Mexico. May G-d bless them, because life as they knew it is over, at least for a while...probably a LONG while.

Yvonne White (229)
Wednesday July 7, 2010, 9:25 pm
Oh please, did any body Really think they'd pay off anyone Except other Big Businesses & politicians who might Bother them?

Past Member (0)
Wednesday July 7, 2010, 10:48 pm
Regardless that no money can compensate the damages caused by Bp, the animals that passed, the nature that destroyed .. etc.
Bp must pay. not only money, but also it must not be allowed to dig more wells.
if the governments cant stop Bp, WE CAN. their are many ways we can stop Bp.

Thanks Barbara
Thanks Carol for forwarding

sue M (184)
Thursday July 8, 2010, 12:01 am
Wanna yell, scream and shout at Bp? Take any securities, monies etc., out of JP Morgan asap!

There's a lot of talk about BP being a British company.
Actually, the ownership and control of the company is a lot more complex.
Some facts not reported in the news:

1. 29% of BP is owned by JP Morgan and US companies own 39% of it total

2. Halliburton, one of the main contractors on the rig, is considered the party responsible for failing to cap the well properly. They moved their headquarters out of the US to Dubai recently.

3. The former CEO from 1997 to 2009 who was ousted by a sex scandal was also Chairman of Goldman Sachs. Goldman sold a massive amount of its BP holdings in early 2010 and one of its employees bragged in an e-mail in early April that they were "shorting" the Gulf looking forward to huge profits from an environmental disaster there.

It's all just another BAILOUT for criminals folks!

Patricia Plunkett (79)
Thursday July 8, 2010, 1:20 am
Noted and shared. I know it is short notice but there is a world wide protest taking place on the 15 th July asking people to stay at home for just one day and take part in emptying shopping malls and streets in peaceful protest against these sort of actions, if successful it can be done one day a month throughout the entire world. Down tools on the 15th July people power works it just needs guidance.

Jytte Nhanenge (64)
Thursday July 8, 2010, 2:22 am
Again an example of a greedy corporation and a dominant government whose only concern are making economic profit so that their leaders can live a luxury life, while society and nature suffer. I think that Patricia is right, the only way to stop this exploitation is to refuse to cooperate. Gandhi said, “In my humble opinion, non-cooperation with evil is as much a duty as is cooperation with good.” Thus, it becomes a duty not to cooperate with BP and the US government in this case.

In general I am increasingly of the perception that democracy in its current form does not work. Gandhi's opinion was as follows, "My notion of democracy is that under it the weakest should have the same opportunity as the strongest.” Since the weakest ongoingly is exploited for the benefit of the strongest, it is time that the weakest stop cooperating. Because without the weakest, the strongest has nobody to exploit, the strongest consequently becomes weak himself. Gandhi manifested these ideas in his Satyagraha movement, which is a truly peaceful non-cooperation activity. The wish is not to hurt anyone but to reach the heart of the opponent, making him aware and thus helping him to change his harmful behavior. Maybe we should start a world wide satyagraha movement against the harmful activities of the corporations and their handmaid governments.

Jytte Nhanenge (64)
Thursday July 8, 2010, 2:31 am
I forgot to say thank you very much Barbara for posting this important information and spreading it. And lovely Just, thank you very much for making us, including me aware. Have a lovely day.

Ben Oscarsito (128)
Thursday July 8, 2010, 2:36 am
This catastrophe shouldn't have happened in the first place - DAMMIT!
There's only one solution for a sustainable future:
To President Obama and members of Congress:
"We urge you to permanently call off plans to open up more of the US coastline to dangerous offshore drilling. Instead, invest in a CLEAN and SAFE ENERGY FUTURE"
488,987 have signed the petition. Let's get to our delivery target of 500,000!
Thank You! Muchas Gracias! Namaste! Merci! Danke Schön! Arigato! Muito Obrigado! Tack!

Arild Warud (174)
Thursday July 8, 2010, 2:57 am
Thaks Barbara and to you "C" for sharing.

Ian MacLeod (79)
Thursday July 8, 2010, 4:13 am
Same thing with the 9-11 volunteers. They were told by the EPA 9on George Bush's orders) that the dust from 9-11 was harmless. Many if not most of those volunteers are dead or dying now. The City of New York wasn't about to pay a dime, and the federal government won't either. Oh - and somebody, when they found out there were actually scammers getting money they weren't entitled to from that billion bucks of donations from around the country, they cut of the money and made it disappear. It no doubt went where all the other disappearing money these goes. Until the majority of people realize how disposable we are to these people, and that "our government" is no such thing, it's an insider takeover by a cabal determined to destroy this country, we aren't going to get very far. And to most people, that notion is fantasy, suitable for people who wear white coats with very long sleeves and sleep in rooms with rubber walls.


Carole Sarcinello (338)
Thursday July 8, 2010, 4:43 am
From Seize BP -- Feinberg's Mission: Protecting BP
"In a shocking revelation, Feinberg’s firm has announced that fund payments will not be limited to compensation for lost wages and other economic harms. He plans to dip into the fund to absorb BP’s clean up and oil removal costs and any other payment they feel is “legitimate.” (“Lawyers say shocked over uses of $20 bln Gulf fund,” Reuters, June 24)
In a dramatic reversal, Feinberg has announced that he will demand legal waivers from at least some claimants who receive funds from the escrow account. He wants to limit BP’s exposure to lawsuits. (“With $20 Billion Fund, BP Limiting Liability: Feinberg,”, June 20)
You may remember, the White House originally announced that claimants would not give up their right to sue in court by recovering some amount from the fund. (“FACT SHEET: Claims and Escrow,”, June 16)
How can Feinberg negotiate a waiver of a right to sue? Is he BP’s lawyer? Apparently, he represents their interests."
[See article for remainder.]

Agnes H (144)
Thursday July 8, 2010, 5:04 am
I bet you he's in BP's pocket Carole, why would BP have allowed him to work for them? And the people who loose out don't get a cent!!!! That's Highway Robbery, not only for the people who've lost their livelyhood, but also for the people who've been doing the cleaning up and burning off!!! Not to forget the Native Americans who aren't recognized by the Federal government! They will be the ones that'll suffer most!! No money, No food it's as simple as that and I think we ALL should do something about it!!! Unfortunately I can't stay in on the 15th July as I have appointments that day I can't cancel, but we won't be out for longer than nescesary I can promise you that right now!!! I wish Mr Obama hadn't given BP the choice of who they wanted to represent them. It was obvious that they would accept someone taking money or working FOR them.

Alison Baker (25)
Thursday July 8, 2010, 5:14 am
I expected this. Bean counters & legal eagles want concrete proof of direct pain & suffering. A lot of people thinking they had claims really don't as a result.

Alicia V (181)
Thursday July 8, 2010, 5:26 am
They just show what they are made of. Sad and heavy. Playing with people's lives as they wish. You eat, you don't, after destroying and still destroy Life. They should just go along everything is asked for as the least and leave the area altogether after they clean it as pristine as it was. Can that be possible? Well then, it! And do not drill anymore anywhere.

Terry B (649)
Thursday July 8, 2010, 5:38 am
I have a rigid paramater for Feinberg, Marksman Dickey Cheney, and the BP execs --- it consists of both thumbs sharpley apllied to their Adam's apples.

Thanks for the post, Barbara, and to sue w. for the financial statistics on these robber barons.

(And I wonder why the picture that was supposed to accompany this post got zapped.)

patricia lasek (317)
Thursday July 8, 2010, 5:52 am
Very enlightening post Barbara. Thank you for sharing it with me Arild. The criminals just can't help themselves. Can they? It will not end. Corporate executives view us as something lower than whale shit on the bottom of the ocean. Little do they realize, the worker bees are the ones who keep the community alive. Join in the protest on July 15 which Patricia Plunkett mentioned in her comment. Empty streets say a lot!

Dee Jay B (12)
Thursday July 8, 2010, 6:25 am
I can not believe that they think that some people are affected by this when in fact before long every one in the world will be affected one way or another.

Robert S (111)
Thursday July 8, 2010, 6:29 am

Robert S (111)
Thursday July 8, 2010, 6:42 am
Pod-cast of interest on the recent ruling claiming Corporate person-hood which does and will effect all other issues which we find important.

Barbara D (70)
Thursday July 8, 2010, 7:05 am
The information, perspectives, etc. that all of you provide shows how awesome Care2 memebers are. Check out the sites posted above--they are great. Thank you all!

Past Member (0)
Thursday July 8, 2010, 7:26 am
This comes as no surprise now, does it?

Maurene T (122)
Thursday July 8, 2010, 7:41 am
Interesting article from many standpoints. However, and I am in no way defending BP or anyone else involved or reponsible for this mess, it would be difficult to compensate people who dealt only in cash unless they paid taxes on that income and/or kept very good records of transactions.
TY for the post

Arielle S (313)
Thursday July 8, 2010, 7:45 am
On Anderson Cooper last night, they talked about people who got sick during the Exxon Valdez mess - no records were kept, nobody was cared for, I think only one person out of thousands got any compensation. Then they had the medical director working for BP who said there were no known cases of illness during this mess - HA - they wiggle, they squirm, they manage to get out of everything. I'd like to be big enough to not hate them but I'm just not that advanced.

Jenny Dooley (830)
Thursday July 8, 2010, 8:21 am
Thank you Barbara.

Bev B (1)
Thursday July 8, 2010, 8:25 am
Thanx Barbara. More info. the fishermen who are working to clean up BP mess will have those wages taken off their claim. So in essence they are working off their own claim.

There is a call for people to get out of dodge now! Get as far away from the Gulf that you can, for your own health.

Tony Hayward and Goldman Sachs dumped shares in BP in the weeks before the explotion. Halliburton bought Boots and Coots, an oil and gas cleanup co.
Source- Telegraph UK and The Washington Post. Coincidence? Maybe.

Everyone that worked on cleaning up the Exxon mess is DEAD!

Eric Pinto (91)
Thursday July 8, 2010, 8:31 am

Bev B (1)
Thursday July 8, 2010, 8:51 am
ps.....time to put the war paint on!

Angelo Frei (0)
Thursday July 8, 2010, 9:01 am
thank you

Deanna Zimmerman (74)
Thursday July 8, 2010, 9:11 am
From the start, I had a teeniest bit of hope that this would be treated differently than the Exxon Valez swindle. Just the teeniest bit of hope. The $20B helped to keep that alive.....until now.

More and more, even in our economy, I'm thinking the entire world would be better off if we DID completely boycott BP and get our investments out of anything that supports them, and pay for this whole mess ourselves. Just get BP out of the USA immediately, hire ANY other experts (of course it will be oil companies) to do the actual work, still being paid by BP as much as possible.

I'm so fed up with all of this. IF Obama has signed off on this (please provide proof, not just evidence), then I have finally found the straw that broke this camels back. I would support a write-in vote for Hilary (since she can't actively run for office in 2012).

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Thursday July 8, 2010, 9:55 am
A news article posted here at C2NN:

Past Member (0)
Thursday July 8, 2010, 9:59 am
Why is BP even allowed to drill off of our coast? Politics? Paybacks?


Carole Sarcinello (338)
Thursday July 8, 2010, 10:31 am files Freedom of Information Act request demanding records on Coast Guard's new restrictions on media access
The Partnership for Civil Justice Fund, on behalf of, has filed a Freedom of Information Act request demanding the underlying documents that purport to substantiate the Coast Guard’s new ban on media access to areas affected by BP’s Deepwater Horizon oil catastrophe.
“This attempt to muzzle the press on behalf of BP is just the latest in a series of actions that indicate collusion between the federal government and a giant corporate entity that has created an environmental disaster due to criminal negligence,” stated Carl Messineo, a spokesperson for Seize BP and public interest attorney who filed the records demand.
In a July 1, 2010 news conference, Coast Guard Admiral Thad Allen, the national incident commander for the oil spill, explained that the new restrictions were initiated on the basis of his receipt of complaints from county commissioners that, absent access restrictions, damage could theoretically occur. Allen did not identify the sources of such complaints or the unnamed commissioners.
The penalty for reporters or journalists who may enter the new exclusion zones without permission is up to a $40,000 fine and potentially a class D felony conviction.
This Freedom of Information Act request demands: “disclosure of copies of all complaints or requests that formed the basis for, or which prompted, the new exclusion zones. To the extent that such complaints were made verbally, the request seeks disclosure of any documents memorializing or summarizing or logging or otherwise recording such complaints.”
This request also demands “disclosure of all communications with BP and its agents regarding restrictions or limitations upon media access.”

Barbara D (70)
Thursday July 8, 2010, 10:34 am
GO, SEIZE BP! I'll post it Carole, thanks!!!!!

Past Member (0)
Thursday July 8, 2010, 11:28 am
Wow. It's getting uglier and uglier as the days roll by :(

Thursday July 8, 2010, 12:14 pm

Jim Hefti (14)
Thursday July 8, 2010, 12:27 pm
BP+Obama =Behind the ostensible government sits enthroned an invisible government owing no allegiance and acknowledging no responsibility to the people... It is a shame when the President lies to the American people. TWO MORE YEARS!!!

Past Member (0)
Thursday July 8, 2010, 12:27 pm
Absolutely terrible! It is one more example on how industries govern our government!

Jessie H (75)
Thursday July 8, 2010, 12:34 pm
Wow BPs really winning the public's heart right about now.

Sandrea S (278)
Thursday July 8, 2010, 1:00 pm
Once again big bucks will be made off of the misery of the innocent, and the innocent won't receive any aid.
I gather the money raking bandits sleep well at night being financially sound.... I think a suitable punishment would be outfitting them with a conscience.

Thursday July 8, 2010, 1:14 pm
well...if you work under the radar then you can't expect someone to come to your rescue.

C. G (1)
Thursday July 8, 2010, 1:29 pm
what a bloody shame on BP!

Maryl R (1)
Thursday July 8, 2010, 1:35 pm
Well again it's the taxpayers who will foot the bill by means of foodstamps and public assistance. And the rich get richer.

Eva L (93)
Thursday July 8, 2010, 1:51 pm
There is no better advertisement!

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Thursday July 8, 2010, 1:57 pm
Please also read/note/forward:
Seize BP: FOIA Filed on Muzzling of Media in BP Oil Disaster
(And my thanks to "Missy Barbara" for posting it!)

Mary Alexander (23)
Thursday July 8, 2010, 2:19 pm
Thanks you for the article.

Nancy S (0)
Thursday July 8, 2010, 2:31 pm
I'm just as disappointed as all the other posts, but not shocked. I lived in Seattle during the Exxon Valdez scandal. It looks like Obama is acting more and more like Bush, which surprises me. So, it seems that we would not be any better off with a Republican or another Democrat. What we need is an honest President and Congress. Big Business has won again, and I don't know how we can turn this monster around. Everywhere we turn, our tax money is taken away and given to projects that don't make this a better country. So, you have "terrorists", big oil, banks, illegal aliens, drug gangs, sex slavery, two wars, what am I forgetting? And I'm the optimist. Wow! How much longer can we hang on to the "good ol' USA"? Just don't think a Republican president would make this better. This was caused by Bush and his cohorts. It's just that Obama can't seem to know what to do about this mess. This oil mess and illegals have caused me to realize he isn't the man I thought he was.

Victoria B (36)
Thursday July 8, 2010, 2:36 pm
SO THE WRIGGLING BEGINS ! Shame that BT is only 1/3 British - if it was fully British I don't think that they would be so harsh.

Past Member (0)
Thursday July 8, 2010, 3:10 pm
Big business (mainly big oil) runs this country. I am sickened by it all. Why do we even bother to vote?? As Frank and Ray Barone said in the fans' all time favorite episode (Bad Moon Rising)--"COME ON COMET (and bring me sweet relief)!!"

Jennifer M (6)
Thursday July 8, 2010, 3:18 pm
I'm not so sure about this story - consider the source. It would surely have been on one of the MSNBC shows - or elsewhere. Just a bit skeptical, sorry.

Bev B (1)
Thursday July 8, 2010, 3:59 pm
Jennifer google to hearts content, thats what I do, the info is out there. mainstream media is no longer a source of the truth. They have corporations to answer to and lawers that nix ``controversial`` news. Can`t risk losing those corporate sponsors.

Louisiana Governor, who has been outspoken about lack of information coming from the feds, has just sealed all records regarding HIS states information on BP.

The Republicans in the senate have betrayed the american people by blocking a bill for subpoena powers, that was unanimously passed in the house (save 1). The result- no subpoena powers- no REAL INVESTIGATION!

Mary Donnelly (47)
Thursday July 8, 2010, 5:05 pm
Thanks Barbara.

Given that indirect effects are likely to be so many, varied, and long lasting one can see BP's point. It should have thought of these things before it went drilling in such dangerous waters. Let's hope it survives long enough to pay as much as possible, and not waste too many of everybody's resources on legal costs!

Bev B (1)
Thursday July 8, 2010, 5:27 pm
Tony Heyward is making the rounds in the Kingdoms of the middle east as we speak begging for investors. BP stock has risen a bit lately on an announcement of some sort that reassured invenstors. BP has shares in our canadian oil sands- lots of $ to be made there as off-shore drilling may and should be nixed. But the tar sands are a dirty deal as well-HUGE carbon footprint!

Then there`s the 27,000 abondended wells in the Gulf of Mexico- no inspection- just ``paperwork`` to say they have been sealed. We all know about BP`s ``paperwork``

Deanna Zimmerman (74)
Thursday July 8, 2010, 6:01 pm
Jennifer M,
I first read about this on my Comcast homepage news section. I'm guessing it's real.

I really don't give a damn about the people who want a share of this money because their property values have gone down. That happens for any number of reasons all around the nation. But those who work on a cash basis? What's up with not giving THEM their fair share?

I also understand TRYING to limit claims to those who were DIRECTLY affected, but other claims should at least be considered on a case-by-case basis. I'm sure quite a few secondary claims would (or should) qualify. Afterall, the entire nation is being affected to some degree, so we can't all get a piece of bp.

Ricardo C (66)
Thursday July 8, 2010, 6:23 pm
They will push those "political" buttons and they will not have to pay! I just wish you had an archive on politicians and the job they do!


Michael Carney (217)
Thursday July 8, 2010, 6:37 pm
Well, I know one thing, if the Corporations can find a way to screw the Middle Class and poor, the Government will help them do it...

suzanne s (10)
Thursday July 8, 2010, 6:55 pm
ok, so this is cuckoo. tourist spots are BY DEFINITION a matter of public perception and the simple truth is this: before this event, this entire area had a thriving tourist industry and now it does not and likely never will again, and the only change has been this event; ergo, the perpetrator of the event is at fault. like it or not, the actual condition of the beach has little to do with it and you can't legislate perception.

Teresa K (33)
Thursday July 8, 2010, 7:42 pm
We all knew how this would go down. From the start we all knew. We just kept hoping!

Bonnie A (76)
Thursday July 8, 2010, 8:49 pm
BP had this planned from the start. Our government is a totally owned subsidiary of Big Business going back as far as Nixon (if not further back). The Supreme Court will back them. Look what they did with the Exxon Valdez. They are not letting press coverage because the only BP learned from the Exxon Valdez is let nobody see or hear what is happening and let the workers die before they can sue us and the SCOTUS will help us screw the people and the planet. Profit was all they care about and the oil companies get the largest taxpayer subsidies. Even the Conservatives and Teabaggers should be bothered about that and want to do away with all oil and gas subsidies.

Bonnie A (76)
Thursday July 8, 2010, 9:01 pm
Thanks Barbara. Noted. Thanks Ben O. I signed the petition.

Mandi T (367)
Thursday July 8, 2010, 11:05 pm
Tks Barbara. And Ben I already signed xxx

Nightcat Mau (81)
Thursday July 8, 2010, 11:10 pm
Thanks, noted, and signed.

Charmaine C (177)
Friday July 9, 2010, 1:51 am
That's quite correct Sue W, BP is 40% owned by Americans. The disaster fund will not benefit the small guy, it will go to known sources leaving the people most affected by the disaster without support while the mess is being cleared up, if it can ever be 'cleared' up. BP does not stand alone as creators of disasters, but while everyone is baying for BP's blood, companies like Texaco/Chevron, Shell and the rest of the supermajors, fly under the radar. Texaco dumped 19 BILLION gallons of toxic wastewater and sludge in the Amazon rainforest into open, unlined pits, waterways and wetlands. The waste is contaminating water, killing wildlife, wreaking havoc and endangering the lives of thousands of people who live there. It's one of the world's most egregious environmental disasters. The Niger Delta is another. The Oil industry in Nigeria has cost countless lives and the delta is a disaster zone. One pipeline explosion killed 700 people. Chevron and Shell were responsible. You must have oil to power your country and someone will supply it! This fight should not be nation pitted against nation, but all of us against the fossil fuel industry, in support of the earth. The only way to stop the carnage is to stop using fossil fuel. Which one of you will give up using fossil fuel, wether it be from BP or anyone else?

Nora J (229)
Friday July 9, 2010, 2:57 am
More of the old boys' club that is responsible for most of the world's ills. As long as they keep lining their pockets, they are happy.

Past Member (0)
Friday July 9, 2010, 3:41 am
". I simply do not see happiness, peace of mind, or people helping others in the protests against climate change and environmental protection. To be frank, the anger and vitriolic language used by protesters is frightening and contrary what all Mankind seek. I see selfish attachment to a dying philosophy of economics, one that takes from the earth everything that it wants and leaves a scarred, dying landscape for future generations.

Friday July 9, 2010, 3:45 am

Barb M (3)
Friday July 9, 2010, 4:08 am
this disgusts me beyond disgust.......... each day there are mre and more articles that are leaving me speechless and angry and depleted. this is beyond wrong. i had hopes that this administration was doing the right thing by appointing this man......... now they are all in it together and of course no agency is admitting any problem with the air, water, land because if they admitted a problem then they could not deny any claims now could they...... so lets just ignore the man behind the curtain...... this disgusts me. and it makes me afraid because this could happen to any of us .......... i am appauled. by all of them in their ivory towers in washington. i DEMAND THAT CONGRESS CHANGE THE RULES OF THIS FUND. this is wrong, its not based on any values i thought my country had. i somehow knew this would happen by the way things have been going.

JustaHuman Here (53)
Friday July 9, 2010, 11:05 am
Do you enjoy your democracy?

Shraddha J (35)
Friday July 9, 2010, 12:20 pm
BP is not doing enough.

Claudia Elliott (42)
Friday July 9, 2010, 6:58 pm
Thanks for sharing.

Ian MacLeod (79)
Friday July 9, 2010, 8:49 pm
Ralph - we might if we had one. Not a straight, warm-body democracy, though. I think a Constitutional representative republic was a goo idea. It just needs a lot more pest control built into it to get rid of and keep out the parasites.


Ian MacLeod (79)
Friday July 9, 2010, 10:50 pm
Anyone else notice that the excluded are probably the majority of the victims, as well as those with the fewest resources to begin their businesses over again?


Robert S (111)
Saturday July 10, 2010, 10:13 am
I think that if we keep it simple....meaning, Corporations are by design COMPLETELY devoid of ANY other motivation other than profit, it helps clarify the problem and SHOULD enable us "including the POTUS to foresee what the actions of any given Corp will be. They are predictable. Even given this knowledge, the power of the Corps is immense and growing. And even a benevolent, elected pol must to some extent dance to their tune. The question is about degree as they dance, and about balance. judgment. conscience. I do know that Corporatist intent is to lead in a direction always toward deregulation. Because that is most profitable. DUH.

They... (Corporations), like sharks, are not capable of conscience, compassion, guilt, morality, remorse etc. Not to knock sharks, which are very good at what they do. Actually elegant in their design, single minded in motive, and execution. I have for what must be years now recommended "The Corporation"
Know the enemy who will pollute your families water, and our very way of life for a buck. Even if you work for them, and that is part of the power they hold.... Know them.
Copy and paste

ANY, and ALL actions which mimic ANY of these things, (conscience, compassion, guilt, morality, remorse, are once again done for one purpose. Profit. Public image incites them to spend much, as image is important to there bottom line. It is ALWAYS the same motive. The 20 billion fund had that motive in mind. I don't believe Obama needed to push hard tor that fund. It was a no brainer for BP. It is in every PR ad we see, as planned.

Obviously Corporations like BP, etc, have enormous wealth, power and sway over our Reps. The SCOTUS just gave them even more. While I am horrified by how much sway they hold over many Pols, I am also aware that the Republicans are unrepentant, unmitigated and without deviation, minions and beholden to these Corporations alone, without exception...willingly, and luckily for us, even stupidly.

I believe that the "one world order" idea should be called what it is. A desire by international Corporations to free themselves of regulation by Government the world over, thereby handing over power to those who created (bought and paid for, "corporate Rule unregulated" as it exists today in the USA, with hopes to be freed completely, through the vehicle of the Tea party (extreme Republican), Corporate, (phony populist) agenda.

What, in my opinion must be understood is that Corporations have an extreme amount of power, DUH, and have a gun to the head of ALL politicians under our system and are gaining more. The DIFFERENCE being they don't need to pull out the guns on Republicans. Republicans are happy to help any way they can, and go along as happy as pigs in shit. I am repulsed that we have NO GOOD CHOICE. But we do have a choice. It is both sickening and quite clear to me the Dems and WE, need to win or they become more Corporate out of Desperation and an effort to win next time, if there is a next time, and we become even more a one party system. Or we vote Dem, keep the Repubs/Teaparty/Corps out of power and have a fighting chance in hell. I choose the frying pan and dance with this imperfect partner at least till 2016. The trick for me is to find a way to stoke within myself some enthusiasm for such a dance with such an ugly partner. My answer is to consider the alternative. This may be a dance...but it is no game. These next two elections will be for all the marbles in my lifetime and our children's lifetimes.


Robert S (111)
Saturday July 10, 2010, 1:02 pm
You guys have prob seen this...

Robert S (111)
Saturday July 10, 2010, 1:07 pm

Robert S (111)
Saturday July 10, 2010, 1:13 pm
No more.

Robert S (111)
Saturday July 10, 2010, 1:16 pm
Tell your State Legislators:
Get corporate money out of politics!

Ian MacLeod (79)
Sunday July 11, 2010, 1:25 am
Robert - the Dems have already shown us as clearly as it can be done: even if they have a super-majority, they aren't going to make a move that might lose them their corporate support. There was a LOT they could have done with healthcare reform; they had excuse after excuse and no cojones at all. Forget the Democrats. No, they're not "the same party," they do some things a little differently, but they are still corrupt. Notice how when it looks like they might do something good for a change, the Blue Dogs come out and ruin everything, or one - just ONE! - damned prick like Lieberman hijacks the whole process? If there's no serious third party vote, or write-in if necessary, then we're lost this time. If the IS a "this time." We have GOT to show them there's a price for treason, even if those who are SUPPOSED to handle it refuse.


joan f rodriguez (26)
Monday July 12, 2010, 5:34 pm
thank you posted on myspace and facebook with comment kiss me now that you ###### me good

Robert S (111)
Tuesday July 13, 2010, 6:33 am

Robert S (111)
Tuesday July 13, 2010, 4:27 pm
I won't defend Dems. I am good and pissed off at them. I just don't really see how you/we end up with anything but the way right winning...without them. Forget them... I would love to. But one can't forget who is looking to replace them. We need more Progressive Dems.... Not less if we hope for much more than what we have been getting. They have Republican votes saying no in lockstep on pretty much everything and with the slim majority, it matters. And I don't think the Corporations are loving Obama and the Dems right now. Thats a sign Dems are doing SOMETHING right, even if I don't think its enough. Given the choices, I gonna vote for um while hating it. Nothing new in that really. When I really like them, they loose.

Robert S (111)
Wednesday July 14, 2010, 7:26 am
Lets help protect the workers.

Robert S (111)
Thursday July 15, 2010, 6:22 am
Message from Bonnie Raitt, Jackson Browne and Graham Nash

Dear Nuke Free friends,

This is nuclear power's summer of desperation. It has just a few short weeks to grab billions in taxpayer funding for new nuclear plants.

Last time we wrote, a $9 billion package was being slipped into an "emergency" war appropriations bill. Amidst a wave of your letters, the vote did not happen.
The issue is now in the Senate, and has been greatly complicated by our efforts.

Now the industry is demanding $25 billion for unspecified projects. Again, your voice can make a difference.

Please join us (Bonnie, Jackson, Graham and the NukeFree team) in writing and calling the members of the House, and especially in calling members of the House Appropriations Committee, per the below alert from NIRS, and ask them to oppose this latest industry boondoggle. A key vote may come up as soon as Thursday afternoon.

Your voice HAS made a difference. But we need to keep shouting. Please contact Congress ASAP.

Thank you!!!

~ Bonnie Raitt, Jackson Browne and Graham Nash


Dear Friends,

We have to act again, and we have to act now.

A House Appropriations Subcommittee plans to hold another meeting to try to pass an energy budget for Fiscal Year 2011 on Thursday (July 15) afternoon.

As you may remember, the subcommittee had scheduled a meeting in June but cancelled it when some pro-nuclear Democrats (especially Chet Edwards (Tex.) and Chaka Fattah (Penn.) complained that the bill did not include the Obama Administration's request for $36 Billion to loan to wealthy nuclear utilities to build new nuclear reactors.

Since then, the House has passed $9 billion in new nuclear loans through the emergency supplemental funding bill (the Senate has not yet taken up that bill). Not satisfied with that, the pro-nuclear faction has succeeded in getting the rest--$25 Billion--on the energy appropriations bill that will be considered on Thursday.

Now we have to get this money removed from the bill. And your actions can make the difference.

Please send a message to your Representative now here. And please help us spread the word to your networks, friends and relatives: there isn't much time. Here is the link to the action page:

And if your Representative is on the list below, he/she is on the Appropriations Subcommittee on Energy. Please call his/her office today with the simple message: Vote against all loans for new nuclear reactors. You can reach every member of Congress at 202-224-3121.

We don't need more radioactive waste, more radiation leaks, and higher electric bills--all the things more nuclear power would bring.

We had hoped to begin moving our attention to the Senate this week, which soon will be taking up energy/climate bills--with potentially disastrous nuclear provisions.

But first we have to stop $25 billion in new nuclear loans. So we all need to act, and act fast. Please send your letter here; if your Representative is listed below, please call him/her today.

And, last and probably least, if you can support this ongoing (and seemingly never-ending) campaign, please make a tax-deductible contribution here. Your support enables us to do this essential work.

Thanks for all you do,

Michael Mariotte
Executive Director
Nuclear Information and Resource Service

House Appropriations Subcommittee on Energy and Water


* Chair: Peter J. Visclosky (IN)
* Chet Edwards (TX)
* Ed Pastor (AZ)
* Marion Berry (AR)
* Chaka Fattah (PA)
* Steve Israel (NY)
* John W. Olver (MA)
* Lincoln Davis (TN)
* John T. Salazar (CO)
* Patrick Murphy (PA)
* David R. Obey (WI), Ex Officio


* Ranking Member: Rodney P. Frelinghuysen (NJ)
* Zach Wamp (TN)
* Michael K. Simpson (ID)
* Dennis R. Rehberg (MT)
* Ken Calvert (CA)
* Rodney Alexander (LA)
* Jerry Lewis (CA), Ex Officio
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