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Israel Contorts Law to "Excuse" Attacks on Gaza's Civilians


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Carrie
- 1474 days ago - electronicintifada.net
A new report by the Israeli human rights group B'Tselem examines how Israel came to permit the widespread targeting of homes last summer. The report concludes that Israel violated international law but suggests it may not have violated its own policies.



   

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S J (130)
Sunday February 8, 2015, 12:30 am
i hope i live long enough to see near future. thanks Carrie
 

Darren W (218)
Sunday February 8, 2015, 2:36 am
Hmmm... it's puzzling, when national law conflicts with international law, etc. There's a lot of instances where these issues present one with ambiguous interpretable rules and regulations. Surely, they all need to support each other?
 

Arild Gone for now (174)
Sunday February 8, 2015, 3:32 am
"B’Tselem’s report offers a stout rebuttal to Israeli army’s claims that it goes to great lengths to protect innocent civilians. What is also abundantly clear is that not only does Israel routinely kill and maim civilians, it does so as a matter of policy — one it has worked hard to “legalize.”

Try to legalize killing more than 2200 persons of whom more than 500 were children.
 

Hugh Smith (112)
Sunday February 8, 2015, 7:00 am
For a nation who went through the holocaust to be targeting innocent civilians does not add up, sounds very hypocritical !
 

Past Member (0)
Sunday February 8, 2015, 9:14 am
People believe propaganda because they WANT to believe propaganda. Hence, some people obsessively post propaganda.
 

Gillian M (11)
Sunday February 8, 2015, 9:21 am
Do you know which of these homes had tunnels leading from them? Did you know that rockets were hidden in many of them? Did you know that Israel has spent a fortune designing weapons that America now uses as well to target just the terrorists? And if the terrorists use their own people as human shields what do you do then?

An example is the hospital that Hamas used to hide in with the sick because they knew that Israel would not attack it despite warnings. So, who do you blame here, the terrorists cynically abusing their own people as human shields or a country that suffers daily attacks from this same terrorist group and who eventually tries to stop the terrorists actions? According the carrie, a Muslim, Israel mustn't protect itself. Yet Israel is doing its best to protect its own people as well as the Palestinians in Gaza aka Southern Syrians.

Perhaps the answer is that Hamas and Fatah move away from the civilians thereby allowing them to be safe. An even better answer would be that they genuinely negotiate for peace but we already know that that will never happen!

Hamas Covenant 1988
http://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/hamas.asp

Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it" (The Martyr, Imam Hassan al-Banna, of blessed memory).

So carrie, what can Israel do next with terrorist organisations that will not accept the existence of Israel? Any suggestions?


 

Arild Gone for now (174)
Sunday February 8, 2015, 9:34 am
Yes Barbara,you are the one that know all about posting propaganda.
 

Past Member (0)
Sunday February 8, 2015, 10:34 am
Who cares what you think, arild. Freedom of Speech means I get to post the truth.

People believe propaganda because they WANT to believe propaganda. Hence, some people obsessively post propaganda.

Penny, you ask for a reponse from carrie? Good luck!! LOLOL! She doesn't have the mindset to think about any but one *solution*.

 

Darren W (218)
Sunday February 8, 2015, 11:17 am
Barbara and Penny, what are your solutions. . .?
 

Past Member (0)
Sunday February 8, 2015, 11:28 am
Dispense with all terrorists.
 

Janet B (0)
Sunday February 8, 2015, 12:41 pm
Thanks
 

Gary L (138)
Sunday February 8, 2015, 12:42 pm
would that include your murdering Israeli's Barbara you are an accomplice to murder by you're being paid by AIPAC
 

Past Member (0)
Sunday February 8, 2015, 12:57 pm
Really? And I suppose Monsanto, Cabot Gas, Merck Pharmaceuticals, etc., etc., etc., etc., etc...............................

Yes, gary, I'm rich, rich, rich!

That's how I can afford to subscribe to better reading material than the electronic intifarta!
 

Mary Donnelly (47)
Sunday February 8, 2015, 1:19 pm
Noted.
 

Lois Jordan (63)
Sunday February 8, 2015, 1:47 pm
Noted. Thanks, Carrie.
From article: "The UN's conclusions are likely to be far less forgiving than those of Israel's MAG, which has, increasingly, contorted international law to sanction the targeting of civilian buildings and infrastructure."
"In one strike detailed in the report, thirty-four people from five different families perished in a building in which a kindergarten was located."

"What is also abundantly clear is that not only does Israel routinely kill and maim civilians, it does so as a matter of policy--one it has worked hard to legalize."
 

Arild Gone for now (174)
Sunday February 8, 2015, 2:09 pm
Barbara: "“You’re entitled to your own opinions. You’re not entitled to your own facts.” Daniel Patrick Moynihan

 

Elizabeth M (65)
Sunday February 8, 2015, 2:11 pm
Noted with thanks Carrie.
B’Tselem’s report offers a stout rebuttal to Israeli army’s claims that it goes to great lengths to protect innocent civilians. What is also abundantly clear is that not only does Israel routinely kill and maim civilians, it does so as a matter of policy — one it has worked hard to “legalize.” How can it be legal to kill 2,200 people, 500 of which were children??
 

Past Member (0)
Sunday February 8, 2015, 2:41 pm
Facts ARE facts. Not yours, not mine. Just facts ~ credible, verifiable, recorded, accurate, archived. As opposed, for instance, to the electronic intifarta which publishes it's opinions.
 

Carrie B (306)
Sunday February 8, 2015, 3:03 pm
This is an accurate and factual article ~ even if you don't like it.
 

Ken O (55)
Sunday February 8, 2015, 3:26 pm
Israel seems to have taken a page from the Bush administration playbook. "We can kill anyone we want to, we just made laws saying so."
 

Past Member (0)
Sunday February 8, 2015, 4:00 pm
I wouldn't trust any information from a terrorist newspaper, but feel free....you always do! If the intifarta said New Mexico had a right to attack Israel you'd be the first to sign up!!
 

Debra G (0)
Sunday February 8, 2015, 10:10 pm
Well, yes, if you're a pro-Palestinian website, feel free to use phrases like "contorts law" and "routinely kills and maims." But if you really want to be considered serious journalism, present both sides.

Carrie, please explain your obsession with Israel-bashing. I don't see you going after Ukrainian separatists or even the Syrian regime with as much zeal. Progressive bona fides are built on nuanced arguments, which seem to be lacking in your world view.
 

Walter F (129)
Sunday February 8, 2015, 10:27 pm
Barbara why contend with them? They are not worth your strife.
 

Roslyn McBride (30)
Sunday February 8, 2015, 11:10 pm
Noted
 

Carrie B (306)
Monday February 9, 2015, 12:11 am
If anyone would bother to read the articles they would see that most ~ if not all ~ contain links which corroborate the story and from which the author has obtained information. I haven't noticed this much in depth attention to any media except those that don't substantiate the lopsided version usual to Israeli fairy tales.
 

Carrie B (306)
Monday February 9, 2015, 12:13 am
Perhaps Barbara would like to explain her obsession with commenting on articles that she doesn't even bother to read, and making false accusations of anti-Semitism against others.
 

Stephen Brian (23)
Monday February 9, 2015, 1:04 am
THUGS CONTORT LAW TO 'EXCUSE' KIDNAPPING
Not only did they try to blame the victim, saying they had done it on suspicion that he was a thief, but that they did not need to offer proof, and could hold him for some time without evidence. Then they went on to say that as 'police officers', they would be remiss in their duties had they not committed this crime, among so many others, against him, his family, and his community. Investigations are underway by concerned NGOs to see if these 'police officers' are guilty of violent assault, committed at the time of the kidnapping,,break-and-entry and general vandalism of his and his family's property, and disturbance of the peace. Whitewashing and "legalizing" their action as an "arrest" in line with policies of their militia or "police department", and absurdly claiming it was fully in accordance with the law, the government has refused to investigate these thugs or, as its report calls them, "police officers".

Same thing, as far as the principles of law are concerned.

The penalty under the laws of war for basing attacks and forces out of populated areas is that those areas lose their protected status insofar as the opposing party deems it necessary to strike at them to neutralize those operations and/or forces. We all know it's horrible, but consider this: The penalty for violating the law must necessarily be itself a violation of the terms of the law. Were it normally legal, it would not be clearly contingent upon the prior violation and the enforcement would not deter further crime. Where the relevant body of law addresses only the most serious of matters, the violations of terms involved in enforcement will get bloody.

Yes, my first paragraph here is satire, and that's generally bad taste when people have died, but this seems to be the most effective way to get the point across. I meant no disrespect to the dead, only that the principles of law under which those who killed them acted are not only sound, but in fact accepted universally (except among some particularly delusional anarchists). Armies' primary goals are to neutralize the threats, not protect bystanders. Once dangers reach the point that the law must be enforced by an army rather than a regular police force, the collateral damage of law-enforcement becomes tragic as in these cases.
 

Leslie Stanick (102)
Monday February 9, 2015, 2:07 am
There is never any just reason to attack innocent civilians. Israel has continued this punishing campaign against the Palestinians since the Palestinians were first removed from their homes so The Jewish people from Europe could be moved in. The Palestinians, who have as much claim as any Jewish people to live in the region, were forced from their homes, without being able to take anything but what they could carry. They lost their homes, communities, safety, schools, health care, freedom, belonging and peace. Since that time, they have lost their gardens, orchards, fresh water supplies, fishing rights (they are only allowed a 3 km limit where there are no fish) , they have endured Isreal's air attacks and live in a fishbowl, unable to travel freely, leave their territories to Egypt.Palestinian borders are closed, and their economy is in ruins. There is no difference in the needs of Palestinians and Israelis. Palestinian children deserve to grow up with peace, with their family, not being bombed night and day, for weeks at a time, not seeing their family members killed, to dealing with bomb threats and schrapnel. They don't have enough food, or doctors, medicines. Their schools and university is in a shambles. If you want to see the issues in black and white, read the United Nations reports on Israel's abuses of human rights and illegal actions in Gaza. It's all available to the public. No reason not to be informed.
 

Past Member (0)
Monday February 9, 2015, 4:19 am
Attacks on Israeli civilians by Palestinians
Palestinian rocket attacks on Israel
List of Palestinian suicide attacks
List of attacks against Israeli civilians before 1967
Hamas Commits Act Of Nuclear Terrorism,
Palestinian militants ransack former Gush Katif greenhouses ...
Palestinians decided to destroy the greenhouses because the leadership said, We don't want anything left from Israel*
Let's Shut These Zoos! Newborn Lion Cubs at Gaza Zoo Die .
“The increase of the population in the Gaza Strip is excessive; it is very large. Between 2000 and 2013, the number of Gazans increased by more than 687,000 people.” (Monitor Lizard)
UNWRA: Gaza Population Will Top 2 Million by 2020.
Billions Flow Into Gaza, and Hamas's Pockets -
Hamas war crimes in Gaza
Israel continues to provide humanitarian aid to Gaza ...Aug 11, 2014
So Al Jazeera Claims Israel Commits Ethnic Cleansing
Palestinian "Refugees" Expelled by Arab Leaders
 

Past Member (0)
Monday February 9, 2015, 4:34 am
carrie, the national enquirer doesn't qualify to corrorate the intifarta.
 

Past Member (0)
Monday February 9, 2015, 5:55 am
ElectronicIntifada is a known hate site. One cannot trust a word there.

Usually only Islamists conducting Jihad online try to spread their drivel. Notice that they don't say a word about their ISIS brothers burning a Jordanian soldier alive.
 

Gillian M (11)
Monday February 9, 2015, 6:26 am
At least Israel is paying people to attack Palestinians like PA doe with our tax money!

No wonder Gazans suffer, by the time any financial iad reaches the general public the best that they can manage is a stick of chewing gum between the entire civilian population!

Still don't hear anything from the anti-Semites on this board about the Gazans being abused and stolen from by their own.......
 

Gillian M (11)
Monday February 9, 2015, 6:30 am
carrie is suggesting that she is saying something with proof. OK, a first for anything!

Now, where is the proof that the Palestinians have a claim to the West Bank (really Samaria/Judea).

 

jan b (5)
Monday February 9, 2015, 6:38 am
Hamas hid amongst civilian populations-----to bring world-sympathy if they were bombed. ISIS does this as well.

September 2005, Israel withdrew all its settlers and soldiers and dismantled its military facilities in the Gaza Strip and four northern West Bank settlements. THEIR REWARD = rockets began firing into ISRAEL REMEMBER THIS when you start criticizing the jews .
 

Past Member (0)
Monday February 9, 2015, 8:03 am
Let's all jump ahead to the future and become the United Federation of Planets!
 

fly bird (26)
Monday February 9, 2015, 11:25 am
waste of time replying to anti Muslim agitators and apologists, who refuse to acknowledge Israeli state crimes against humanity, it's ongoing, barbaric actions against Palestinians, massacres of the people of Gaza and heinous destruction of Gaza - they deflect and come to spread distraction..
Truth, justice and accountability for these crimes, despite those attempts, will be pursued.
Israel's ongoing illegal occupation and siege of Gaza, war crimes and violations of International Laws will not be silenced, no matter how liars and apologists try to use propaganda to contort laws and events.

Attempts to justify and deny the violence inflicted on Palestinians, their suffering and human rights, by those, who speak, as if, their experiences or self-entitlement give them privilege or exception, are despicable.
Thank, Carrie.
 

Carrie B (306)
Monday February 9, 2015, 11:46 am
"At least Israel is paying people to attack Palestinians like PA doe with our tax money!"

Well that makes everything alright then doesn't it Penny? Is that your solution for improving an economy? What an idiotic thing for you to say.
 

Laurie Mazzeo (12)
Monday February 9, 2015, 11:58 am
Religion is the root of all evil ...
Israelis should remember the injustices of the Nazi's and the holocaust..

and attempt to be the enlightened and evolved core of the Middle East
by leading by GOOD EXAMPLE across the board

not by corrupting very delicate but established legal precedent...
which at least attempt/ pretend to head towards a better level of civilization
 

Past Member (0)
Monday February 9, 2015, 12:03 pm
carrie, why didn't you just call her a *stupid idiot* ? You seem to like that phrase.
 

Carrie B (306)
Monday February 9, 2015, 12:20 pm
Most of us on care2 realize that any news article which disagrees with Israeli atrocities and the subjugation of the Palestinian people is said to come from a questionable source. Since I post from Israeli publications and authors also, but still get the same complaints, ~ I think it's safe to say that you just don't like to hear the ugly truth which disagrees with your propaganda.
 

Gillian M (11)
Monday February 9, 2015, 12:25 pm
Barbara, carrie doesn't understand sarcasm. The terrorists who kill Jews are given a bounty for doing so and the money comes from various countries tax payers such as yourself and myself.

One of the many differences between Israel and Muslims is that Israel doesn't put a bounty on Muslims' heads. Nor do they slit the throats of babies, shoot babies in buggies, use children or those with learning disabilities as human shields or suicide bombers. Nor do Israeli pregnant women go into Palestinian maternity units with bombs strapped on themselves and Israeli parents do not send their children to a summer school to train to be terrorists which is a war crime. I have yet to hear carrie or jess condemn this barbaric act but they obviously see it as acceptable. The fact that this hate training starts from birth is disgusting but, again, I have yet to hear these anti-Semites condemn it.
 

Carrie B (306)
Monday February 9, 2015, 12:37 pm
Penny, your last comment is so full of lies and Israeli propaganda that all I can say is that I hope when you grow up you will see the truth and realize the complete horror that Palestinians have been enduring at the hands of Israel.
 

Past Member (0)
Monday February 9, 2015, 12:39 pm
What carrie refuses to understand is that she's not part of the solution, she's part of the problem.

The Triad of Terrorism ~ Why Terrorism Works. Of course, she denies hamas are terrorists.
 

Past Member (0)
Monday February 9, 2015, 1:02 pm
There is, leslie, it's called collateral damage. If the opponent is embedded in civilians one need only take appropriate measures to MINIMIZE the collateral damage. If it's reasonable to suspect that the civilians are in collusion with the oppenent they lose *innocent* status.
Even in war, it's highly criminal to use human shields or encourage or induce glorious martyrs..........
 

Carrie B (306)
Monday February 9, 2015, 3:24 pm
And of course all of the civilians deaths in Gaza can be explained away by 'collateral damage' ~ NOT! Only someone with blinders on would take that assertion seriously. Civilians are slaughtered by choice and a complete lack of moral ethics by the Israeli government and military. They have done it since 1948 and allowed to get away with it, so why should they stop now?

Repeating lies and making false accusations against virtually every Palestinian man, woman, and child is their only defense.
 

Gillian M (11)
Tuesday February 10, 2015, 12:23 am
carrie, prove that what I have just said is a lie.

It is known that journalists in Gaza were abused and forced to lie and as a Muslim you like about it. However, it was all over the news
http://www.thetower.org/article/why-everything-reported-from-gaza-is-crazy-twisted/

Slit babies throats, try the Fogel family and the Palestinians were so disgusting that they used those images and pretended that they were Palestinian children How obscene is that?

http://www.newenglishreview.org/blog_direct_link.cfm/blog_id/55582/Outrage!-Free-Palestine-uses-Photo-of-Murdered-Israeli-Jewish-Family-The-Fogels-as-Propaganda

I could continue but having proven that the statements that I make have evidence to support them I won't bother. However, you keep making accusations etc and I ask YOU to provide evidence you don't.

So, prove that Palestinians have any legal right to Judea/Samaria

Prove that anything I have said is a lie.
 

Carol Dreeszen (346)
Tuesday February 10, 2015, 12:36 am
Actually......I incorrectly noted this absoulute travesty of a story that is a complete and utter lie totally by mistake....if anything I would take 10 notes away if I could! Carrie you will never grow up and you will forever listen to lies and spread lies! And more lies!!! Some people like you will just never get it!!!
 

Hilary S (65)
Tuesday February 10, 2015, 12:54 am
what strikes me about this story is that b'tselem is free to propagate its critical opinions and stories in israel, where free speech is taken for granted.

if palestinians dared to speak out in criticism of the terrorism of hamas and the corruption of their leaders, for example, they'd be lucky to see the light of day again, and could expect violent reprisals from their own regime, targeting their whole families.

to my mind, that puts this whole story in a different light. others will doubtless disagree.
 

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Tuesday February 10, 2015, 1:32 am
Will the avid Hamas cheerleaders (who presumably by their support for an oppressive regime, hate things like equality for women or freedom of expression) please explain to me in words of one syllable how the pre-emptive rocket attacks on Israel emanated from some mysterious and unknown planet...or not?
 

Shil O (0)
Tuesday February 10, 2015, 5:13 am
Repeating lies and making false accusations against virtually every Palestinian man, woman, and child is their only defense.


Spoken like a true ignoramus who is totally ignorant of the koran,sira and sunna , never mind the hamas charter
Personally I think Israel too soft on them - look at the number of wars it has fought and the land it has given for peace -- to immigrants whose only concern is the murder of Jews and whose sworn oaths are as believable as a solid diarrohoea
and on a broader scale.... the torture murder rape etc., of thousands upon thousands of those who do not subscribe to their vicious cult
and still the Carries and Jessies continue their anti Israel bias unabated - so much so that I am starting to believe they are in league with mohammedans or do the muslim brotherhood control care2
 

Past Member (0)
Tuesday February 10, 2015, 5:22 am
Ya gotta wonder!
 

Shil O (0)
Tuesday February 10, 2015, 6:10 am
It would be a good idea if the international community and media stopped turning a blind eye to the suffering of Palestinians at the hands of Hamas and the Palestinian Authority [PA].

Abbas wants the world to support the creation of a dictatorship where people are arrested and intimidated for expressing their views in public. He is also asking the world to support a Palestinian state where Hamas is torturing Palestinians.

While the PA is accusing Hamas of human rights violations, its security forces in the West Bank continue to crack down on freedom of expression. In recent weeks, Palestinian Authority forces in the West Bank have arrested more than 25 university students on charges of criticizing Palestinian leaders in Ramallah.

"You can still see the bruises on their bodies. They were subjected to harsh torture." — Hisham Sakallah, Palestinian writer, on Hamas interrogators beating Fatah officials with plastic hoses.



The international community cares about human rights violations in the West Bank and Gaza Strip only when Israel could be held responsible.

http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/5019/hamas-palestinian-authority-human-rights
 

Past Member (0)
Tuesday February 10, 2015, 6:34 am
They'll find a way to hold Israel responsible anyway! Otherwise, it wouldn't be newsworthy...........
 

Past Member (0)
Tuesday February 10, 2015, 7:17 am
Walter, HaHaHa! I do it because it's so much fun to see how many of our comments are deleted and how many of theirs never are!
 

(0)
Tuesday February 10, 2015, 8:28 am
Carrie, Arild, Gary, Leslie, Jess and the rest given that you take anything said on a Hamas funded web site as absolute truth I wonder if you bunch will put your money where your mouths (or at least pinkies on a keyboard) are. I hope you guys are dipping deeeep into your bank accounts to help these victims of Jewish “atrocities” so that they can buy more rockets, bombs and AK 47s (Sorry my fingers slipped should have read “food and housing”) Maybe Carrie and co can refrain from buying the latest high fashion hijab or maybe niqab and send the money where needed? Maybe you all can report for duty at the Hamas recruitment centre in Gaza ready to fight for the rights of your friends……thought not.
 

fly bird (26)
Tuesday February 10, 2015, 4:09 pm
People trying to mob threads to condone massacres and assault on innocent civilians and children, using propaganda and distractions, look desperate to drown the attention on Israel's crimes, with their spin. They can fool , themselves, only, so long.
History will judge.
.. so many schisms, self righteousness, hatred, fear mongering and bigotry. No wonder there is no peace, with so many lies and distortions.
Hate, from denial, hidden shame and delusion, remains shame based, no matter how long it is covered up or projected - it cannot be sustained, without prolonging dysfunction.

"We must learn to live together as brothers or we are going to perish together as fools."
- Martin Luther King, Jr
 

Past Member (0)
Tuesday February 10, 2015, 4:35 pm
*Innocent*. Bah Ha Ha Ha Ha!!!!! The 87% of palestinians who condone/collude in terrorist attacks on Israel are far from *Innocent* bystanders.

I cannot conceive of Israel withdrawing if Arab states do not recognize Israel, within secure borders.
Nelson Mandela

Israel was not created in order to disappear - Israel will endure and flourish. It is the child of hope and the home of the brave. It can neither be broken by adversity nor demoralized by success. It carries the shield of democracy and it honors the sword of freedom.
John F. Kennedy

Peace for Israel means security, and we must stand with all our might to protect her right to exist, its territorial integrity and the right to use whatever sea lanes it needs. Israel is one of the great outposts of democracy in the world, and a marvelous example of what can be done, how desert land can be transformed into an oasis of brotherhood and democracy. Peace for Israel means security, and that security must be a reality,"
Martin Luther King

We plan to eliminate the state of Israel and establish a purely Palestinian state. We will make life unbearable for Jews by psychological warfare and population explosion. We Palestinians will take over everything, including all of Jerusalem.
Yasser Arafat

Israel, as the Jewish state, must disappear from the map.
Ahmed Yassin

“We can forgive the Arabs for killing our children. We cannot forgive them for forcing us to kill their children. We will only have peace with the Arabs when they love their children more than they hate us.”
Golda Meir

“If the Arabs put down their weapons today, there would be no more ‎violence. If the Jews put ‎down their weapons ‎today, there would be no ‎more Israel'‎”
― Benjamin Netanyahu

*Innocent*. Bah Ha Ha Ha Ha !!!!

 

Carrie B (306)
Tuesday February 10, 2015, 4:57 pm
The 87% of palestinians who condone/collude in terrorist attacks on Israel are far from *Innocent* bystanders.

A number pulled out of her ah, hat.
 

fly bird (26)
Tuesday February 10, 2015, 6:33 pm
They can fool , themselves, only, so long - one reason they, obsessively and desperately, keep trying to fool others. To see the truth, would be to see themselves, for who and what they are.
Hitler is a good example.
 

Past Member (0)
Tuesday February 10, 2015, 7:04 pm
87% Palestinians Support Murdering Civilians Free Republic
Poll: Huge Majority of Palestinians Support Terror Against . Algemeiner
Palestinian Poll: 87% Support Jerusalem Terror Attacks . Breitbart
Poll: Majority of Palestinians Support Terror Attacks | The ... The Tower
Poll: Most Palestinian Arabs Support Recent Terror Wave Israel National News
Not Just Leadership: Most Palestinians Support Terror ... BeforeIt'sNews (This one's especially for our ms. carrie)
Poll: Most Palestinians Support Terror against Jews Bridges for Peace
Majority of Palestinians support Jerusalem terror attacks ... i24News
Poll: 87% of "Palestinians” support jihad terror attacks on ... EuropeNews.dk
Poll: Palestinians Greatest Supporters of ISIS in Middle East ... UnitedWithIsrael
New Poll of Muslim Countries Finds Large Support for ... The Clarion Project

No jasmeara, imipecac, mongoscheiss,,,,,,sorry!!

Any fool can criticize, condemn and complain - and most fools do.
Benjamin Franklin

Prejudice is what fools use for reason.
Voltaire

Only fools are positive.
Morris Howard

Beware the reason-stealers: criticism, complaining, faultfinding, and a negative, judgmental attitude.
Joyce Meyer
 

fly bird (26)
Tuesday February 10, 2015, 7:16 pm
Beware the reason-stealers: criticism, complaining, faultfinding, and a negative, judgmental attitude.
Joyce Meyer
 

fly bird (26)
Tuesday February 10, 2015, 7:25 pm
Netanyahu's father, Benzion Netanyahu, in regard to the Palestinian people:

"they won't be able to face anymore the war with us, which will include withholding food from Arab cities, preventing education, terminating electrical power and more. They won't be able to exist, and they will run away from here. But it all depends on the war, and whether we will win the battles with them."

To understand the son, you have to understand the father.
 

Carrie B (306)
Tuesday February 10, 2015, 7:26 pm
Yes Jess, ~ Evil begets evil
 

Alexa R (319)
Tuesday February 10, 2015, 11:40 pm
Carrie B. (300)
Monday February 9, 2015, 12:37 pm
Penny, your last comment is so full of lies and Israeli propaganda that all I can say is that I hope when you grow up you will see the truth and realize the complete horror that Palestinians have been enduring at the hands of Israel. send green star | flag as inappropriate
Your report has been submitted to Customer Service. Thank you.

Thanks jess b, indeed! I agree with you .. Hence my reporting of these reason-stealers ..


jess b (24)
Tuesday February 10, 2015, 7:16 pm
Beware the reason-stealers: criticism, complaining, faultfinding, and a negative, judgmental attitude.
 

Alexa R (319)
Tuesday February 10, 2015, 11:44 pm
Thanks for your brave posts Penny, speaking truth and wisdom even when you're not given the time of day on this thread ..
 

Shil O (0)
Wednesday February 11, 2015, 12:54 am
Earth to planet Jess
""We must learn to live together as brothers or we are going to perish together as fools."
- Martin Luther King, Jr "
"AS BROTHERS" -- Once again you show complete ignorance - mophammedans cannot live together as brothers with non mohammedans - this is a basic precept of islamic teachings

I was amazed at your selective quote from MLK

in your dyslexic state did you miss this one or did it not suit your antisemitic beliefs

Peace for Israel means security, and we must stand with all our might to protect its right to exist, its territorial integrity. I see Israel as one of the great outposts of democracy in the world, and a marvelous example of what can be done, how desert land can be transformed into an oasis of brotherhood and democracy. Peace for Israel means security and that security must be a reality.



 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday February 11, 2015, 5:04 am
jess b, if they want to be an independent state.....why are they dependent on Israel's largesse?

"Peace for Israel means security, and we must stand with all our might to protect her right to exist, its territorial integrity and the right to use whatever sea lanes it needs. Israel is one of the great outposts of democracy in the world, and a marvelous example of what can be done, how desert land can be transformed into an oasis of brotherhood and democracy. Peace for Israel means security, and that security must be a reality,"
MARTIN LUTHER KING

"Israel was not created in order to disappear - Israel will endure and flourish. It is the child of hope and the home of the brave. It can neither be broken by adversity nor demoralized by success. It carries the shield of democracy and it honors the sword of freedom."
John F. Kennedy

"I cannot conceive of Israel withdrawing if Arab states do not recognize Israel, within secure borders."
Nelson Mandela

"I believe however that peace is attainable regardless of the Arabs mentality, society or government."
YITZHAK RABIN NOBEL PEACE LAUREATE


"We plan to eliminate the state of Israel and establish a purely Palestinian state. We will make life unbearable for Jews by psychological warfare and population explosion. We Palestinians will take over everything, including all of Jerusalem"
YASSER ARAFAT NOBEL PEACE LAUREATE
 

fly bird (26)
Wednesday February 11, 2015, 8:39 am
Nobody is dependent on Israel's 'largesse'. Israel is, and has been, dependent on the world's goodwill

As for the last quote, propaganda and manufactured propaganda and hasbara, have been proven to be unreliable, at best.

"We must learn to live together as brothers or we are going to perish together as fools."
Martin Luther King, Jr.

@Shil, How do you like them apples? Maybe my views don't suit you.. Nevertheless, I am entitled to my own views, and your slanderous accusations won't change them. They just prove, what I have been seeing, all along.
Those, who try to berate and discredit others, constantly, who do not partake in their own 'views', are not much more than bullies and cowards, as far as I am concerned. It is controlling and abusive behavior that such people, often, refuse to recognize and/or rationalize.

When bigotry and evil control people and their thinking, there is only strife.
"People, who live in glass houses, should not throw stones."

I am a Jew and I insist it is not anti-semitic to criticise Israel..
http://stopwar.org.uk/news/i-am-a-jew-and-i-insist-it-is-not-anti-semitic-to-criticise-israel-for-its-gaza-crimes-2
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday February 11, 2015, 9:43 am
They still owe $402 million on their electricity bill alone..........
 

Stephen Brian (23)
Wednesday February 11, 2015, 11:55 am
Hi Jess,

Barbara's last quote is, obviously, not an accurate direct quote. It was reported by Bret Stephens, reporting for the Wall Street Journal, reported that this was what Arafat had said to an audience, speaking in Arabic. This was Stephens' translation.

However, looking at the whole discussion of the matter since then, whether or not this was precisely what Arafat said, something far more damning and relevant comes to light: This is exactly what the bulk of
anti-Zionist" critics, including those on Care2, promote. Getting rid of the settlements rather than incorporating them into a Palestinian state amounts to seeking to establish a purely Palestinian state. The argument that Israel cannot be democratic as it does not give votes to such a large population is the precise mechanism by which the "population explosion", by which half of the Palestinian population in the territories is under 18, works as a form of pressure. The endless demonizing propaganda, from the Jenin hoaxes to the "firebombed mosque" last summer (electrical fire), reflected in European and American views of Israelis, amounts to psychological warfare using Western media as proxies. More importantly, there is the terrorism designed specifically as a form of such psychological warfare, which is utterly excused, in effect if not in principle, by its perpetrators' apologists here and elsewhere. As for the rest, with the intention to eliminate Israel, well, just take a look at the inevitable consequences of the policies that you promote should they be put in place as you demand: It's war between Israel and an independent Palestinian state, at most several years after the creation of that state, over the total elimination of one or the other.

That last declaration, of which Barbara quoted a translation, wan't just Arafat. It was you.
 
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