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Yvonne White (229)
Thursday April 23, 2015, 4:55 pm
Okay, they knew it was an Adam Sandler movie, right? It doesn't surprise me a bit. It doesn't sound like a good movie at all..maybe if he hires obviouly Non-Natives it MIGHT be funnier..sinc it's Supposed to poke fun at stereotypes!
 

Evelyn B (63)
Thursday April 23, 2015, 5:10 pm
From the write up, it sounds like they overstepped by far an invisible line between satire/mockery of old Westerns and a basic respect for Native Indian culture .... In fact, it sounds like they are reproducing the insensitivity of early Westerns, & pushing it further without it being funny or getting a message across by humour.

The best satire balances exaggeration and respect. This doesn't seem to. They'd have done better to have blatantly non-Native Americans playing the redskins ... then it could have been a swipe at the insensitivity ... with the "false" Natives continuously betraying their ignorance of Native Indian culture ... And they had a government subsidy for this garbage????

Thanks, Carrie

Good for those who walked out.
 

Phil P (94)
Thursday April 23, 2015, 5:19 pm
As a Nation, 99% will never pass sensitivity training, let alone get what it's all about.
 

Past Member (0)
Thursday April 23, 2015, 6:30 pm
I don't normally like Adam's movies except for Grown Ups and two that were dramatic roles.
We cannot expect young children to respect and know the true history of Native Americans when movies like this are released. I hated this type of humor when I was a juvenile.
It will tank, most of his do.
Thank you Carrie
 

Vallee R (280)
Thursday April 23, 2015, 7:15 pm
Good to walk out - disrespect is bad!
 

Bruce C D (89)
Thursday April 23, 2015, 8:05 pm
My first thought when I had seen this in the news elsewhere was similar to Yvonne''s comment, but I think Evelyn is right about this--the script went a bit too far. Native Americans usually have a very good sense of humor, so I have to believe they walked out with good reason, and that's what it sounds like.

I kind of agree with Nancy, too. Sandler has a number of really good movies, some that are so-so, and a number that are actually just excruciating to watch. This sounds like it may be one of the terrible ones, which is a shame.
 

Joanne Dixon (37)
Thursday April 23, 2015, 9:13 pm
Adam Who?
 

Joanne Dixon (37)
Thursday April 23, 2015, 9:16 pm
But seriously, over the years I have come to opine that people with privilege should never, ever, ever make jokes involving people wit less or no privilege - because they just simply don't get it.
 

Carrie B (306)
Thursday April 23, 2015, 9:29 pm
The VIDEO is now available on the site. It wasn't when I first posted the story.
 

Bruce C D (89)
Thursday April 23, 2015, 11:15 pm
@Joanne--

I disagree. There are plenty of "privileged" comedians, cartoonists and satirists who are very adept in using humor to point out and reduce bigotry and racism against those with less privilege. It isn't who you are or your station in life, its all in how you go about doing it. You don't necessarily have to experience something in order to empathize or ''get" it. Adam Sandler is Jewish, a minority that has faced persecution. The intent of this movie was good, but I think some of the satire poking fun at prejudicial norms in older Westerns went a bit too far (a Sandler trademark), becoming offensive to the Native Americans hired as extras. I'd like to hope it will lead to some changes that brings the extras back and improves the movie. Subtlety is often more humorous than a heavy-handed approach. Knowing Sandler, it wouldn't be surprising to see him crack some deprecatory jokes about the lack of sensitivity regarding this.
 

. (0)
Friday April 24, 2015, 12:28 am
Its a parody, what did they expect?
 

Roslyn M (26)
Friday April 24, 2015, 1:19 am
Pity I couldn't get the video to play much at all, but still good for the Native American actors walking off, if not being respected as they should be.
 

Darren Woolsey (218)
Friday April 24, 2015, 1:20 am
Maybe if Adam Sandler did a whole movie about Native Americans rather than just use a few as "extras" he might get somewhere.. . .

Political correctness and sensitivity in a world as diverse culturally as ours is almost impossible to balance healthily, given some are ALWAYS going to be offended in some context.
 

Angelika R (143)
Friday April 24, 2015, 2:55 am
Never heard of Adam Sandler so cannot say much about this..BUT - I do trust the healthy judgement of Native Americans thus I am convinced they did the only right thing ! Good on them! Thx Carrie.
 

Angelika R (143)
Friday April 24, 2015, 3:02 am
The key word here -"sensitivity" ! has already been mentioned, most still need to learn about that. It isn't really that hard to put oneself into others' shoes for a moment.
 

P A (117)
Friday April 24, 2015, 4:18 am
Good for them - it sounds awful.
 

Sheryl G (359)
Friday April 24, 2015, 8:25 am
The Actors 64.62% Thus far those who voted are standing with the actors.

Sure, the title was Ridiculous, but there is ridiculous and darn right insulting.

Native people like a good laugh as much as anyone else, but the Sacred Pipe is CORE to their culture and they wanted a woman holding it, squatting and peeing. Totally unacceptable! Would be like asking someone else to hold a cross or the Koran.....to me it was saying "piss on your most Sacred"......

Because the Sacred Pipe or more commonly known as a peace pipe, is not only an item but it is a full concept behind it.

To give the reader an example at how IMPORTANT the Sacred Pipe is.......

Most people recall that treaties were made between the Federal Government of USA and the Indians.

Many people may even be aware that a pipe was always smoked at these signings.....hence why it became known as the "peace pipe".

To those of the Federal Government, they may of felt it was something they HAD TO DO to get the Indians to sign the paper......so they did this "ceremony" or went along with the Indians.

But to the Indians........they were making a bond to THE CREATOR when they smoked the Sacred Pipe. They said what they signed was a contract with the Creator not with the people, because it was most important to them that peace be established and something as important as these treaties had to be made not only to the men that were there......but to the Creator as well.

Today.......NO Treaty has ever been broken by any Indian Nation. NONE.....despite all that happened.

Yet, to the Federal Govt. they have had no issue breaking the treaties, one after another, some before the ink was dried.

So you see how IMPORTANT the "pipe" is........

I don't know what all else might of been in this film, but the part of the pipe was mentioned.....and that alone is enough reason to walk out had I been there. I appreciate who they had doing the cultural sensitivity stood up and also said it was unacceptable.
 

Gloria picchetti (304)
Friday April 24, 2015, 8:25 am
It sounds as if Sandler is trying to mimic Blazing Saddles. Mel Brooks frequently crosses the offensive line to me but overall he's very funny. From the few things mentioned in the article this film must be over the top offensive and not funny at all.
 

Panchali Yapa (26)
Friday April 24, 2015, 10:49 am
Thank you
 

Janet B (0)
Friday April 24, 2015, 1:40 pm
Thanks
 

Donna G (42)
Friday April 24, 2015, 3:30 pm
There's really only one Adam Sandler movie that I like and that's the one he did with Drew Barrymore called something like 30 First Dates. Other than that, I'm not a huge fan of his movies. There is a filmmaker who I like and has done quite well with American Indian films. His name is Chris Eyre, known for Smoke Signals, Skins, and Edge of America. If you have not heard of him, I strongly recommend learning more about him.
 

fly bird (26)
Friday April 24, 2015, 4:10 pm
Good for them.
 

S J (124)
Friday April 24, 2015, 5:40 pm
thanks Carrie
 

Gloria H (88)
Friday April 24, 2015, 6:51 pm
well, this will create more publicity for a movie that is going to tank. Looking back at some Stooges, and Jerry Lewis movies make me cringe that I ever thought they were funny. ...when I was an 8 year old.
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Saturday April 25, 2015, 12:53 am

Thanks a lot, Dandelion, for your explanation and for providing info about who breaks treaties all the time with impunity.

We have become so used to the fact that fun can be poked (which is very rarely funny) at every culture and religion - it goes without saying that Judaism/Jews are excluded from this - that we've lost all boundaries. In modern parlance it's called "Freedom of Expression/Speech" - nonsense! Whatever happened to this silly concept of respect ...?! It would do us as societies a lot of good to remember it from time to time.

Kudos and Bravo to these actors who have self-respect and intact back-bones and walked out!!!
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Saturday April 25, 2015, 12:55 am

Forgot - thank you Carrie for posting this article!
 

Jonathan Harper (0)
Saturday April 25, 2015, 1:56 am
noted
 

fly bird (26)
Saturday April 25, 2015, 5:17 am
PETITION - Stop Promoting Offensive Native American Stereotypes in New Movie

http://forcechange.com/141760/stop-promoting-offensive-native-american-stereotypes-in-new-movie/

Ty Carrie
 

Freya H (345)
Saturday April 25, 2015, 8:31 am
More power to them! it is sad that Native Americans/First Nations are grossly under-represented in popular media, and when they do get exposure the characters are more stereotype than reality. I have read that even "Dances With Wolves" got some things wrong.
 

Sheryl G (359)
Saturday April 25, 2015, 10:18 am
Dances With Wolves did, but it was the beginning of at least trying to be more balanced and to place native people in a more realistic context.

Thanks for the petition and I signed.

You are welcome for the additional information, the pipe symbolizes what The People's very core is. That their WORD their whole Being.....their entire Honor as a people and what the Creator made is to be remembered to be respected. It is not so much the article of the pipe but what the pipe STANDS for......

and if someone, be it for a movie or whatever else wants Respect, Honor, Love, Truth, and all of the highest virtues to be pissed on or degraded in such a manner than these individuals needed to walk out......not only for themselves but for all mankind. It seems all to easy today to piss on everything for a dollar........we see that all over......destroy the water for oil, destroy the land for fracking, destroy people's way to earn a living to enrich someone else's bank account.
 

TOM TREE (247)
Saturday April 25, 2015, 10:42 am

*!
 

Louise D (44)
Saturday April 25, 2015, 11:01 am
Given that Adam Sandler is regular offender at the Razzies, you would think that the three strikes and you are out rule should work. But, no Mr Sandler after sweeping the boards on all 10 categories a few years back just doesn't know when to stop with his twaddle fest of films so bad that there is a need or him to be just stopped. Native American actors have had much to be generally pissed off with in the movie industry from the wildly inaccurate and outright racist Westerns when they were little more than "darn redskins" who the local cowboys would go out for a spot of ethnic cleansing if they were drunk, bored or couldn't put up with Gene Autry's yodeling.
 

Past Member (0)
Saturday April 25, 2015, 11:28 pm
Over-the-line poor taste. There needs be respect for things sacred, though they may not be sacred to you. As "Extras", one does not get a preview of the script. Some surprise--all of the actors, of any race, should have stood with the rest and walked away, to show support and respect. They should fill in the now blank spot of footage, of the Native American lady smoking the sacred pipe while peeing--with the Native American actors peeing on the script and the scriptwriter.
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Sunday April 26, 2015, 12:03 am

To Janice - while I do understand where you're coming from ... two wrongs don't make a right. I fully agree with you though that the other actors should have stood in solidarity and walked off the set too. But I guess this is asking too much in today's world?!

To Dandelion - "... Respect, Honor, Love, Truth, and all of the highest virtues ..." I believe we're talking an outdated language, my dear friend. All of these virtues have gone down the tube for the mighty dollar. We seem to be outdated fossils ;-) ... or may be not? I wish we're not as these are the fabrics that present the core of what I believe are the essential ingredients of every society and every human being.

Stay safe!!
 

Nancy C (806)
Sunday April 26, 2015, 1:17 am
I did like 30 First Dates also Donna and thought of Blazing Saddles in this instance as Gloria has...Thank you Dandelion for the heartfelt explanation. I would have walked out with my friends. Although I feel that Adam Sandler is the first to laugh at himself, he did not honor the integrity of Native Americans OR the film industry. Satirical humor does not require offense or degradation. I'll always love his Hanuka Song, but this over site will change many a fans mind about his artistry...He has children now and that fact makes me wonder even more about his intention and mistake...
 

Arild Warud (174)
Sunday April 26, 2015, 3:00 am
Dandelion explained it well - petiton signed.
 

Lona Goudswaard (66)
Sunday April 26, 2015, 10:52 am
Crossing the line, going from ridicule to downright insensitive, is an unnecessary mistake. Comedy has evolved over the years, just as other film genres have, and the time that thing were thought to be funny if they were at the expense of others or through overblown stereotyping is far behind us.

It seems that the filmmakers didn't think things through very well. Why would they hire native Americans, a special cultural advisor and promise them that their roles were sensitive to their culture to have have them play these terrible stereotyping and demeaning scenes? It just makes no sense.
 

Sheryl G (359)
Sunday April 26, 2015, 11:19 am
Well this is the education that the cultural advisor has to do, because so little respect has been given to the native people over the years, there is embeded ignorance. I read where the actors and the cultural advisor was called back to "explain" their issues......so I hope that is a sign of a good first step to make amends and to learn about what crossing a line is.

74-year old David Hill, Choctaw, a member of the American Indian Movement, also left the set. "They were being disrespectful," he said. "They were bringing up those same old arguments that Dan Snyder uses in defending the Redskins. But let me tell you, our dignity is not for sale. It is a real shame because a lot of people probably stay because they need a job.”

Hill also mentioned that the producers called back the consultant as well as other native actors to their departure from the set on Wednesday.

“I hope they will listen to us," Hill said. "We understand this is a comedy, we understand this is humor, but we won’t tolerate disrespect. I told the director if he had talked to a native woman the way they were talked to in this movie—I said I would knock his ass out.”

“This isn’t my first rodeo, if someone doesn’t speak up, no one will.”

Read more at http://indiancountrytodaymedianetwork.com/2015/04/23/native-actors-walk-set-adam-sandler-movie-after-insults-women-elders-160110
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Sunday April 26, 2015, 3:56 pm

I just come home from a private event where the commemoration of the Armenian genocide was a topic of discussions and couldn't help but this thread came to my mind. What can we really expect if up until today there is not even as much as an admittance of this horrible genocide which was committed by the settlers in America or an official commemoration day? The US commemorates almost everything but their own genocidal treatment of the Native Inhabitants of the country is not worth one single day of the year? Shame!

If something so big and unique is not remembered how can we expect respect and honor for their traditions and culture?
 

Sheryl G (359)
Sunday April 26, 2015, 6:10 pm
Thank you Eleonora.....this is exactly what is the major problem over here. You summed it up wonderfully.

While we are still asking to have the mass murderer Christopher Columbus removed as a "holiday" celebration let alone a day to have a commemoration of over 100 million Native Americans lost to genocide.
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Monday April 27, 2015, 4:54 pm

I truly don't understand it either, dear Dandelion. The US has 50 Memorials for the Holocaust of which the US was not part of - and I'm almost certain that most Americans have no idea that millions of other people disappeared in the Holocaust too; not only Jews - and not a single one for ONE HUNDRED MILLION people who died in an equally horrible genocide?!

Yes - Columbus Day. To celebrate Columbus Day is about the same as celebrating Hitler's birthday, is it not? Who in the right frame of mind would do the latter?!
 

Sheryl G (359)
Wednesday April 29, 2015, 5:12 am
Very true Eleonora.....all very true. And this is the place from which we must work from, and our numbers have gone down from being 100% of the population on this land to 1.7%. Our voices are fewer but we still do our best to be heard.

When the Federal Govt. keeps a so called "holidays' as was mentioned on par with "Hitler Day" and fails to teach the history it should within the educational system, when only 1/20th of 1% of funding by philanthropic agencies in the U.S. reaches Native Communities, when you are the invisible people {some people still think Indians all died out back in cowboy and Indian westerns} it is very hard to make necessary mind changes in a Nation.

Then when one is thought about it is in the "past" tense, or that modern things today somehow "honor" by the names being carried on the sports teams or naming America's #1 Terrorist, Bin Laden at the time, Geronimo as the "code" name. And Geronimo was approved by an African American President, who is also a minority and one should think be a little more "thoughtful" perhaps. So you see, we are the minority within the minority.

People got all upset when a mosque was going to be built a few blocks away from the 9-11 site, and this was down the street, not on the site of the Twin Towers. Oh the screaming and carrying on that took place, yet the same people will plan their next vacation and bring their children to Mt. Rushmore and gaze in awe and be so filled with pride....yet most do not even know that Mt Rushmore was built on a most Sacred of spots that was held by several major Native Nations. That was and still is, the Indians Mecca, their Lourdes, their Vatican their Wat Arun and yet now has carved in the side of the mountain the faces of those whose policies murdered them and removed them from their lands!

This is the climb that we face and deal with on a daily bases. I suppose a Memorial would mean that the Nation might have to recognize a few things......is easier to deal with the pain over there than the pain that remains on this land. Until that is done, there will never be a Great Healing here. Once this Great Healing takes place then the majority of the people would "learn" and feel a difference in their hearts and would not allow the continuation of policies that bring the same "mind set" that is being shown across the world. It is not only for ourselves that we seek this Great Cleansing so we can have a Great Healing, it is for all of our brothers and sisters and all of our relations that are so foolishly abused.
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday May 6, 2015, 8:48 pm
I have never been a Sandler fan. I have also never been a fan of Hollywood's treatment of Native Americans. I was disgusted when the very educated Jay Silverheels, a true Native Canadian, was scripted to speak like someone who had not had even an elementary education as he played sidekick to Clayton Moore's Lone Ranger. The culture of "western" movie treatment of Natives was always laughable as most of their "Indians" were Caucasian or Hispanic actors. Even "Iron Eyes Cody" was first generation American son of Italian immigrants and not in any part American Indian though he played one often and did seek to improve the condition of true Natives. Ed Ames, a son of Ukrainian immigrants portrayed Mingo, an educated Native friend of Fess Parker's' Daniel Boone, So many of the portrayals were by non-Indians in face paint and wigs.

My father was an enrolled member of a northwest tribe but raised me on Air Force Bases around the US and Europe away from our own culture, (my grandparents, aunts, uncles and cousins) while exposing me to nearly all others. I spent over twenty years serving my tribe here in law enforcement. I have seen the best and worst of the people in these many cultures and none deserve the ridicule so readily applied to Native Americans.
 

Sheryl G (359)
Saturday May 9, 2015, 4:56 am
Aho! When my maternal grandmother was growing up she was told to tell others she was Italian so she would not be taken to boarding schools. My mother recalls my grandmother telling her not to mention to anyone she was Indian, as my mother's father was Irish. Telling my mother, is hard enough on you that the neighbors know your Irish let alone Indian as well.
 
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