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How Many Care2 Profiles Does One Person Need? ~ PETITION ~ PLEASE SIGN!


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Carrie
- 1519 days ago - thepetitionsite.com
Some of us on Care2 Have begun to wonder just exactly how many profiles one person needs or should have. There are a few members who have multiple profiles and do not appear to be using them for the benefit of others.



   

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Sonia M (59)
Tuesday May 19, 2015, 1:15 pm
S&N;thanks for sharing
 

. (0)
Tuesday May 19, 2015, 1:28 pm
> How Many Care2 Profiles Does One Person Need? ~
- This might hugely depend on how many Profiles get destroyed (deleted by (presumably someone.at) care2 or messed up by bugs). Does anyone of You remember "David B." (R.I.P.), for example ? I, for one, really do miss his postings; and he got deleted dozens if not hundreds of times.
 

. (0)
Tuesday May 19, 2015, 1:30 pm
> I am asking that Care2 try to remedy this problem
- a little reality-check: HOW could this be implemented ? Everyone submit their biometric data, social security and other numbers ?

 

Past Member (0)
Tuesday May 19, 2015, 1:38 pm
At least one David B is still around. Not sure if this is the same David B.
 

. (0)
Tuesday May 19, 2015, 1:56 pm
C2NN latest: "How Will the Barbed One Survive With Only One Persona?"
 

Carrie B (306)
Tuesday May 19, 2015, 2:11 pm
el Lob ~ I do believe there is something called an IP address.
 

Carrie B (306)
Tuesday May 19, 2015, 2:26 pm
My husband and I both use the same computer, and both have Care2 profiles. He's Barry, I'm Carrie ~ two different names, two very different profiles, and one IP address. No confusion at all.
 

Past Member (0)
Tuesday May 19, 2015, 2:29 pm
Noted and signed.
Thank you Carrie
 

Dogan Ozkan (2)
Tuesday May 19, 2015, 2:36 pm
noted and signed
 

Carrie B (306)
Tuesday May 19, 2015, 2:39 pm
Being suspended doesn't mean you should come back with a different profile. It means you're in a time-out!
 

Darren Woolsey (218)
Tuesday May 19, 2015, 2:56 pm
Yes. For the record, every single user who has an account here at CARE2, has one specific I.P address.

Businesses have blocks or groups of I.P addresses, so if you post from work, using different computers, if one ran an IP TRACE, one would be showing as having multiple locations, within the same organization.

So, if one ran an IP TRACE against different "users" from CARE2, and they cam back with the same I.P. address that would indicate multiple user accounts.

The only reason I can think of why a person would have or want multiple accounts on the same computer would be
A) to post under different *personas/identities*
B) two or more people at same address location using their own personal login ID.
C0 Marketing companies using multiple accounts to post adverts. . . Check Asian countries (China).

Sign, shared petition
Thanks Carrie.

BTW, there's almost certainly nowhere near 27 Million users of CARE2. There might very be 27 Million accounts, but my guess is a vast proportion are redundant, unused accounts.
 

Past Member (0)
Tuesday May 19, 2015, 3:01 pm
I have access to many computers, devices. Why would I want multiple profiles? Why does anyone for that matter? Just seems a little dishonest. And why form a friendship with someone if you don't even know who it is?
I don't know...probably hard to implement it. Still happy I signed.
 

Freya H (344)
Tuesday May 19, 2015, 3:07 pm
On the one hand, some sneaky people do like to set up sock puppets for self-puffery. On the other hand, some people may want one profile for work and one for home. Multiple actual people in one household could seem like one person with two or more accounts. There are many things to consider.
 

Christeen A (312)
Tuesday May 19, 2015, 3:31 pm
N&S
 

Past Member (0)
Tuesday May 19, 2015, 3:33 pm
That's so sad. Signed-thx Carrie
 

Kathryn M (108)
Tuesday May 19, 2015, 3:58 pm
Signed!
 

Evelyn Z (300)
Tuesday May 19, 2015, 4:05 pm
Noted & Signed. Thanks Carrie
 

Angelika R (143)
Tuesday May 19, 2015, 4:12 pm
Signed! thank you Carrie. Given the apparent issues with implementing a working method, I'm all for el Lobo's suggestion! I'm willing to leave my biometric fingerprints - on my screen. ;)
 

Lois Jordan (63)
Tuesday May 19, 2015, 4:59 pm
Signed #15. Noted. Thanks, Carrie.
 

Animae C (508)
Tuesday May 19, 2015, 6:38 pm
el Lobo
David B. passed away
 

Carrie B (306)
Tuesday May 19, 2015, 9:23 pm
There is a different David B. still on Care2, but the one many of knew passed away last summer ~ as AniMae has said.
 

Mike H (252)
Tuesday May 19, 2015, 11:00 pm
I don't understand. How do you know if a person has multiple profiles?
 

Past Member (0)
Tuesday May 19, 2015, 11:09 pm
Laughing to myself that anyone other than me in my family would be on Care2. Definitely not the case.
I would hope some people would know me on here well enough to tell whether it's me posting a comment. Then again maybe not.
I have seen way too many Catfish episodes.
Wish there were more signatures.
 

Sayenne H (92)
Wednesday May 20, 2015, 3:50 am
Didn't really notice people using more then one, or not that I know of, but I signed because I think one profile for every member should be enough and its not really fair to have 2
 

Sayenne H (92)
Wednesday May 20, 2015, 3:54 am
Also noted & signed btw. I think the IP adress thing should work, only then you have the problem of two people in the same house using the same IP adresses but really being 2 different persons, don't really know a solution that helps with both.
 

Maria Teresa S (42)
Wednesday May 20, 2015, 4:01 am
Noted and signed. Thanks Carrie.
 

Abdessalam Diab (145)
Wednesday May 20, 2015, 4:01 am
Noted,signed,tweeted and shared on FB. Thanks Carrie.
 

Jonathan Harper (0)
Wednesday May 20, 2015, 4:59 am
noted
 

Caroline S (78)
Wednesday May 20, 2015, 5:01 am
Signed.
Thank you Carrie.
 

Arild Warud (174)
Wednesday May 20, 2015, 5:09 am
Signed and I only have one profile,what you see and read is what you get.Thanks Carrie.
 

Lona G (66)
Wednesday May 20, 2015, 7:01 am
My apologies if this appears for the second time, my first comment did not show.

I've signed, Carrie, because I also think you should only have one. It's not called a profile page for nothing', it should be about you only.
But perhaps we should grant people with multiple personalities a profile or two more? LOL Nah, that would probably bring one or two trolls back into picture.

It's going to be hard to implement, though and Care2 doesn't seem to be bothered by the many, many abandoned profiles either, so I doubt if they will go through the trouble.
 

Carol R (11)
Wednesday May 20, 2015, 7:07 am
Signed and thanks Carrie. Especially appropriate if one has been suspended for breaking Care2 Code of Conduct.
 

Ben O (129)
Wednesday May 20, 2015, 7:41 am
ONE profile is enough!
 

Gillian M (11)
Wednesday May 20, 2015, 7:42 am
Many people have lost their accounts due to care2 glitches and "loss" of valid emails.

And then carrie, who is also jess, making this complaint which makes me laugh.
 

Ben O (129)
Wednesday May 20, 2015, 7:47 am
And, what about all those many, many, many (millions!) absolutely worthless "Members" that haven't even logged in for more than TEN years...???
29,6 million members...??? -Forget about it, it would be great if we were ONE million members!!!
 

Ben O (129)
Wednesday May 20, 2015, 7:48 am
Will I be suspended now for being a bad boy, telling the truth...??? : ~ (
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday May 20, 2015, 8:14 am
Ben, if any of the advertisers on this site see your post, you definitely should be.

 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday May 20, 2015, 8:27 am
Profiles can be lost due to computer crashes.

The petition says:
"I am asking that Care2 try to remedy this problem and remove all but the OLDEST profile for any one member."

I would suggest:
"I am asking that Care2 try to remedy this problem and remove all but the NEWEST profile for any one member, OR ASK THE MEMBER WHICH PROFILE HE/SHE PREFERS TO KEEP."

Deleting newest profiles and going back to old unused ones may cause great inconveniences to people who had similar computer crashes.

Sorry, Carrie, I won't sign this petition as is, but will if you adjust it as described above.
 

Janis K (129)
Wednesday May 20, 2015, 9:33 am
Signed
 

Sue H (7)
Wednesday May 20, 2015, 10:22 am
Noted and signed, thanks. I often feel like Care2 cares more about their 29.676, 998 member headcount on the top banner than their honest members. ? Spammers flagged, profile not visible but the magic 29,676,998 never goes Down.??? Folks who have been suspended and then create multiple new profiles should be out and out banned!
 

Carrie B (306)
Wednesday May 20, 2015, 10:53 am
No ~ Carrie is NOT Jess ~ never has been. I only need one profile and Jess only needs one profile because it is the HONEST thing to do, and we are honest people.
 

pam w (139)
Wednesday May 20, 2015, 11:43 am
When people have been banned repeatedly, yet reappear with different identities, it's not only deceitful but also disrespectful to others. I'm thinking now of the troll who has followed Kit around for years...sneaking in with new names but the same, malicious personality.
 

David C (75)
Wednesday May 20, 2015, 11:45 am
I think this is a fascinating discussion.
Carrie, I think you are a member of the group Care2 Feedback and Suggestions.......have you posted this as a question to Eric the C2 contact/support
 

David C (75)
Wednesday May 20, 2015, 11:46 am
I have to be honest I do sometimes think multiple account could give persons the ability to collect more points (butterfly credits) and "do more good", but who has the time?
 

Evelyn B (63)
Wednesday May 20, 2015, 12:02 pm
Only a nutcase could confuse Carrie & Jess! They may share human rights values - especially concerning the Middle East - but have totally different styles of expression, different vocabulary etc. Can't try to compare insult styles - neither go in much for personal insults, except after considerable "poking" & floods of insulting spew ... & then the insult tends to echo what has been being spewed.

I would go along with Bob A's providing an option, allowing the newest persona to be maintained (but merging the other profile(s) records .. for an accurate history of membership.)
 

Mike H (252)
Wednesday May 20, 2015, 12:17 pm
I can only assume that there is no one with multiple profiles since you won't answer my question.
 

Sheila D (194)
Wednesday May 20, 2015, 12:44 pm
Agree with Bob and Evelyn...let the person choose which he/she wants to keep.

Signed with a few reservations...how many people do you know have been suspended and how many of that number have actually been Allowed to come back to C2? Not one person that I know, other than David B, has ever been allowed back unless he/she starts from scratch with a new profile, usually with a different name, even new avatar.

Have also a couple friends that had their profiles emptied...twice. They chose to let their old profiles go and start with a fresh page to have a better chance at not losing everything...which seems to have worked so far.

It's no problem for me what others do...no problem if they have more than one profile. Just as long as I know which one to forward/correspond to.
 

Terrie Williams (798)
Wednesday May 20, 2015, 1:02 pm
Terrie Williams, TX May 20, 12:44 # 41 SSN
 

Carrie B (306)
Wednesday May 20, 2015, 2:01 pm
Mike, some people are brazen enough to admit it, then deny admitting it. It's also fairly easy to spot certain speech and typing styles. Also repetitious phrases and comments.
 

Carrie B (306)
Wednesday May 20, 2015, 2:05 pm
What I find upsetting is that a person who has been suspended comes back with another profile so they continue posting. I'm not sure that's what Care2 has in mind when they suspend someone Barbara/Sheyna/Ari/ no name black cat/ and?
 

Evelyn B (63)
Wednesday May 20, 2015, 2:09 pm
And use of nicknames invented ...
David B did it very openly - didn't change the name much, so one knew it was him, the profile still showed same home area, & the buddy icon was very similar. An abrasive, but very sincere person - I miss him still.
RIP David B of Australia.
 

Carrie B (306)
Wednesday May 20, 2015, 2:12 pm
Most people are allowed to return after a time in Care2 purgatory, ~ but I think it might depend on why they were suspended in the first place.
 

Carrie B (306)
Wednesday May 20, 2015, 2:18 pm
I have posed this question to Eric and he has taken action on those he could find. It's not like he doesn't have anything else to do except go after the naughty children on Care2 who try to create havoc like multiple accounts for their personal benefit.

I'm glad I did this because seeing how others feel about the honesty and ethical behavior of themselves as well as other Care2 members is enlightening. For me it all boils down to honesty and trust, but then perhaps I'm naive.
 

Darren Woolsey (218)
Wednesday May 20, 2015, 2:25 pm
Depending on how CARE2 Admin *suspends* a person, would depend on whether they could return.

If it's user ID, or associated data, then the person could theoretically just registered with another ID.

If it's I.P address based, I don't think that person could re-register, unless it was from a different PC.
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Wednesday May 20, 2015, 2:26 pm

Thanks a lot Carrie for this long overdue petition! Gladly signed with the following comment below.

I do agree with Bob - I would let the multiple profiles/ID holders chose which ONE profile he/she wants to keep and delete all the others AND adjust that one to reflect the true ID of the profile holder.

Getting suspended or even banned is surely taken after due process by Care2 and evaluation of all available evidence. I can't imagine that this is done light-handedly. In other words: accepting that the suspended and/or banned member comes back through the back door so to say misses the target of the punishment all together.

Where a member was suspended by mistake Care2 listened to the evidence, checked out the case and re-instated that member within a day.

After all - it is up to all of us to act in a decent, respectful and intellectual honest way even if we have different or opposing views. That should take care of not being suspended and/or banned ... shouldn't it?!

This was my comment on the petition:

"By definition resorting to multiple identities tactics can only have malicious intentions and inclinations behind it. Standing witness to this, users of multiple-profiles/ID’s have shown common traits in the past: going against the Terms of Conduct of Care2 in slandering, slurring and character assassinating other members thereby hoping to agitate the recipients enough to trigger unfavorable reactions and then cry “I’m the victim”. Another one is to post multiple hateful and inciting comments so as to proof that there are “many” of the same opinion. Another common trait is posting articles with doctored-up titles (using the original title with inserted words) in order to attract commentators with a specific set of mind and to have yet another opportunity to dehumanize certain groups of people. Last but not least: almost each political discussion gets totally unmanageable; using ad hominem attacks and false accusations (against which legal actions should be in order) without ever substantiating any of them with a shred of evidence. There are many IT ways today to put “checks and balances” in place to stop such malpractice and abuse of a basically great website like Care2. If one has nothing to hide one can come forward with all personal details and submit them to Care2 Administration. There are quite a number of political fora where such rules apply and where decent, respectful and meaningful discussions can take place albeit disagreeing viewpoints. Thank you Care2 for listening to us and hoping to see some positive changes!"
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Wednesday May 20, 2015, 2:30 pm

Mike - it is rather easy to spot intentional "multiple identity disorder" ;-). All one needs to do is make a quick "linguistic profile" and you have the "culprit". It's always the little things that give him/her away as one tends to be careful at first and then gets sloppy and lazy. The true self comes always through ... ultimately - LOL. That's what makes it in the end look so silly.
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday May 20, 2015, 2:45 pm
Noted--signed--ty Carrie.
 

fahad Al fahad (140)
Wednesday May 20, 2015, 3:32 pm

Noted and signed.
Thank you Carrie
 

. (0)
Wednesday May 20, 2015, 3:37 pm
Carrie, could you pose the question to Eric as to whether the multi-users who were invalidated in the purge will be restored?
 

Rose B (141)
Wednesday May 20, 2015, 5:13 pm
Thank you, Rose.

I remember David B very well
 

Nancy C (806)
Wednesday May 20, 2015, 6:08 pm
my only concern is for the folks who had a glitch with one profile...so I agree with the request of keeping the new profile...ty Carrie sh in fb groups
 

fly bird (26)
Wednesday May 20, 2015, 6:55 pm
jess, here - having dinner soon.

Carrie, wonder what you had/are having... LOL..... or what 'we' had......LOL.

Thanks for posting.
 

Lynn Squance (235)
Wednesday May 20, 2015, 7:22 pm
signed with comment

I believe in 1 person, 1 working profile. In the case of multiple profiles, let the person choose which to keep. But if the person has been suspended, then that suspension stays with whatever profile the person chooses. How can a past member post comments. On http://www.care2.com/news/member/153110506/3877799 the past member is Barbara D aka Sheyna P. Likewise on the same thread, the "True Jew" avatar is Barbara D/Sheyna P as noted by the language. Interesting that "True Jew" was established 15/05/15, has no friends yet has many posts to the comment board and has posted on C2NN. And 91,000 butterflies in 5 days? This definitely needs to be addressed.
 

Carrie B (306)
Wednesday May 20, 2015, 8:00 pm
Yes indeed Lynn, ~ my message box is full of comments from that 'past member' who was found out and is now upset with ME over her dishonesty. So sorry past member, but you are on your own.
 

Carrie B (306)
Wednesday May 20, 2015, 8:03 pm
Hey Jess, I don't know what you had for dinner, But I made homemade pizzas for Barry and me and our next door neighbor. Yummy!
 

fly bird (26)
Wednesday May 20, 2015, 8:15 pm
oooooooh, sounds delicioso!! Lucky neighbor!!!

Lentils and rice for me, and multigrain bread. Had 'dessert', earlier ( strawberries, bananas and yogurt)

mmmmm... is that ...Mediterranean? LOL
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday May 20, 2015, 8:16 pm
Looks, like this petition has one simple goal: Carrie wants to get rid off Barbara, whose profile was suspended.

This brings up another question: the fairness of suspension.

Currently, a person gets suspended when there are enough complaints submitted for supposedly insulting posts he/she made. While looking fair on the first glance, this system is actually vulnerable to biased attacks.

It is no secret that discussions on the Arab-Israeli conflict turn to heated discussions. Very often, members on both sides post inappropriate comments. I repeat, on both sides.

Carrie is a known supporter of Arab cause. Barbara is a known supporter of Israeli cause.

As the number of Arab supporters greatly exceeds the number of Israeli supporters (not a wonder considering 600 million of Arabs and 6 million of Jewish Israelis), the Israeli supporters are at a clear disadvantage: their words undergo a great scrutiny after Arab supporters simultaneously submit multiple complaints, while insulting posts of Arab supporters go unchallenged or insufficiently reported.

I suggest that each request to suspend a member for insulting comments has to be reviewed in the context of the thread where it was posted. Reported posts have to be compared with posts made by another supporters of another party. If both sides used insults, members on both sides have to be suspended, without looking at the number of submitted complaints.

Improving the process of suspending members will lead to lesser numbers of people been upset for being treated unfairly and feeling right to return Care2 in violation of Care 2 rules.
 

Cheryl Aaron (18)
Wednesday May 20, 2015, 8:25 pm
Outside of multiple person using one computer in a household, I cannot think of anyone needing more then one online ID unless hey are trying to cause confusion...peace..
 

Carrie B (306)
Wednesday May 20, 2015, 8:29 pm
No Bob, you are mistaken. Suspension occurs when Care2 deems that warnings of unacceptable behavior have been ignored on numerous occasions and there is no other recourse. There is no magic number or personal agenda involved. Not sure where you got your info, but I fear it is inaccurate.

While you seem to have your own personal agenda ~ Jews vs. Arabs ~ I have none. I just want o be able to post legitimate news without fear of constant harassment. I have been more than fair with those who call me names and question my motives. If you are now being held accountable for your bad behavior, ~ blame yourselves ~ not me. I notice than once again you feel the necessity to play the pity card ~ 'poor me I'm a Jew'

 

Edith B (146)
Wednesday May 20, 2015, 9:06 pm
Noted and signed
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday May 20, 2015, 9:19 pm
Carrie, you really think you don't have a personal agenda??

You made these posts within the last three days:
"New York Times' Jodi Rudoren Whitewashes Israeli Minister's Call for Genocide"
Source: electronicintifada.net

"Pregnant Gaza Woman Blocked From Joining Husband in Australia"
Source: electronicintifada.net

"Israeli Soldier Testimonials Stoke Gazans' Claims of War Crimes"
Source: al-monitor.com

"Palestinian Youths Speak Out on Occupation, Corruption"
Source: al-monitor.com

"Israeli Mobs Celebrate "Jerusalem Day" With Anti-Palestinian Rampage in Old City ~ TEXT and VIDEO"
Source: electronicintifada.net

You posts tell much better, if you have a personal agenda, or not, and what exactly the agenda is.

Posting legitimate news - is one thing, but spreading misinformation from known hate and biased sites on a weekly basis - is another. There is also a difference between "a fear of constant harassment" and a fear of lies being exposed and the truth being told.

If I would show any signs of "bad" behavior - I would be suspended long time ago. Yes, I support Israel in its fight for survival and what happened to Barbara could happen to me if I didn't know the Arab supporters' tactics well enough.

I am not playing any pity card here, please do not invent things that are so easy to check. I am calling for a fair treatment of Israeli supporters and putting them on equal footing with numerous Arab supporters.

As usual, I will leave your personal 'poor me I'm a Jew' comments without a reply. (Read above about the "bad" behavior).
 

Nimue Michelle Pendragon Gaze (339)
Wednesday May 20, 2015, 9:21 pm
I have 2 profiles, but not for trolling or any other "bad" purpose, only for good -.I have 2 because then I can click to donate twice as much and get more butterfly rewards to help animals. So...not signing your petition, but I see where you're coming from, some people use this site for bad things. Thanks.
 

Nimue Michelle Pendragon Gaze (339)
Wednesday May 20, 2015, 9:26 pm
David B died??? David B from Fremantle, Australia?? I didn't know. No one told me. Sorry to hear that.
 

Artur B (125)
Wednesday May 20, 2015, 10:07 pm
gemacht
 

Giana Peranio Paz (398)
Wednesday May 20, 2015, 10:12 pm
Signed and noted. Actually, I didn't even notice this problem existed. I guess I am so into my own causes I am not aware of what is going on, sometimes this is a good thing. Thanks Carrie.
 

Carrie B (306)
Wednesday May 20, 2015, 10:18 pm
Sorry, Artur, aber ich verstehe nicht, was du meinst
 

Carrie B (306)
Wednesday May 20, 2015, 10:27 pm
Just for the record ~ Care2 didn't exactly scream with delight when they saw this petition and post, ~ but being fair minded they did take notice.
 

Mary B (28)
Wednesday May 20, 2015, 11:32 pm
As long as those agreeing with this petition understand that the "person you are going after" is not the first to have multiple profiles and C2 has been aware of the others. There was one last year that was able to assume other members avatars and it was KNOWN....that person is still a member. This has all the earmarks of a "witch hunt". Maybe C2 needs to be clearer with members why they were / are suspended and for how long....even if (as someone mentioned) it IS for additional rewards, isn't that a good thing for C2 ??
 

Roro l (0)
Thursday May 21, 2015, 1:17 am
Thanks!
 

Patricia N (9)
Thursday May 21, 2015, 1:38 am
Signed as I don't understand why people want many different profiles. It sure is like false I.D. Anyone who did that on the outside would likely have a criminal agenda and wouldn't be legal.
 

Carrie B (306)
Thursday May 21, 2015, 1:42 am
Mary B.~ no one is 'going after' any ONE person.
 

(0)
Thursday May 21, 2015, 2:48 am
It is quite telling that most of the names supporting this obvious vendetta use pseudonyms. (By the way for you lot pseudonym=fictitious name)
 

Rose B (141)
Thursday May 21, 2015, 4:54 am
Evelyn, I so agree with you RE David B

I think of him often !
 

Angelika R (143)
Thursday May 21, 2015, 5:52 am
"It is quite telling that most of the names supporting this obvious vendetta use pseudonyms." -?????
I guess i need to check the petition for that. As for this thread, in fact there are (with the ONE exception of "el Lobo") ZERO members commenting with using any kind of pseudonym.
 

Angelika R (143)
Thursday May 21, 2015, 6:13 am
Looks like some people are unable to see the difference here between a CAUSE to be supprted and a "personal AGENDA". Are they also blamíng Care2 for putting out a wide range of "agendas"???? Pehaps renaming that specific page to "Agendas" ? LOL- hope they see their own ridiculousness.
 

Gene J (289)
Thursday May 21, 2015, 6:14 am
"BTW, there's almost certainly nowhere near 27 Million users of CARE2. There might very be 27 Million accounts, but my guess is a vast proportion are redundant, unused accounts."

I'm late to the party - have had pertussis for a week and am only beginning to feel human again - turns out those shots they gave us all don't last forever. I don't know how a baby deals with that, a big baby like me turned into a little one quickly, that cough, dry, goes on forever, pulls every muscle in your rib cage so you have to wrap your arms around yourself to cough, the running nose that won't quit - they have super strong cough suppressants for this but the first time I got it was three years ago and it took 3 1/2 weeks to stop coughing even with that thing. I've had two week long bouts with it since. Ugly.

I agree with Darren. I signed up here in 2001 I think it was, wasn't impressed and left for more than 10 years, came back two years ago, was impressed and have stayed. But I don't think Care2 deletes old id's ever - I think that total number is important to them. it was around 18 million when I came back. I know cuz I often send birthday cards that a good number of my friends are no longer active or no longer her but their accounts are still. So I can see what happens from a couple different perspectives - one Care2 likes the big number, two they can't monitor who is or isn't coming back, they don't know when someone has passed unless someone else tells them, and they don't have the resources to monitor for duplicate profiles from the same ISP which could have legitimate reasons anyway as pointed out many times here.

And then there are trolls who create multiple accounts to talk to themselves or buttress their arguments by agreeing with themselves. And then there are probably some sociopaths and split personalities and who knows what all here - it is the wild west in many ways still, the internet. I'm just glad it IS here and so am I. Every day above ground is a good one, even the coughing ones. And this, despite its quirks and foibles is still a really great place to hang out and get interesting information and meet wonderful people so it is all a plus for me, overall, despite the minuses which are present in any network, especially one this large.
 

Angelika R (143)
Thursday May 21, 2015, 6:21 am
Worse, it even looks as if it might turn into yet another of the very similar one we had about 1,5 yrs ago-, adressing Care 2 with a petition and TONS of suggestions..eventually leading to NOTHING.
 

Nancy M (147)
Thursday May 21, 2015, 6:23 am
I will sign. I remember a time when a friend was being cyberstalked. One guy with multiple profiles. One would get suspended and he would be right back with a new one. Syntax and other details gave him away even when we claimed to be female.

I became very suspicious of new friend requests at that time. You could tell though as he would imemdiately try to add back all of her friends.

Anyway- will sign. Thanks.
 

Darren Woolsey (218)
Thursday May 21, 2015, 6:42 am
I've been on various social media sites and e-mail lists over the years since the Internet came into being.
For the most part people use their normal name/surname, etc.
Some will use a moniker that associates with their hobby/worldwiew, etc.
A few actually have very good reason, to protect their occupation, for example (judge, lawyer, doctor).

As is the nature of many personalities with devious characteristic traits, some will exploit the mediums for their own egoistic aims. This is where the fundamentalist, malevolent, paranoiac nutjobs thrive.
 

(0)
Thursday May 21, 2015, 7:00 am
So Carrie B and jess B. and Nancy M. are real names along with Angelika R. - gee I' ve just seen a squadron of pink elephans and Earl's bi-planes buzzing past!
 

Angelika R (143)
Thursday May 21, 2015, 7:23 am
MINE most definitely IS, as for the others, i cannot say beyond doubt but I would bet they are justt as real as mine!
Bernard, why would you doubt my name is real when I never doubted yours is?
 

Angelika R (143)
Thursday May 21, 2015, 7:30 am
Like myself, I assume most members here are not confusing this site with some cheap forum or chatroom where folks hide behind a mask to post a barrage of nonsense.
After all we're here to sign what's legal documents,-provided they ARE written up, addressed to a proper target and delivered to such in a CORRECT and proper way,- using anything other than our real names would invalidate any petition!
 

Darren Woolsey (218)
Thursday May 21, 2015, 7:43 am
Bernard, please provide evidence to substantiate your claim, or shut up.
 

Nancy M (147)
Thursday May 21, 2015, 7:43 am
Nancy M is my name though incomplete. This petition is about multiple profiles, not names.
 

Mary B (28)
Thursday May 21, 2015, 7:54 am
Carrie..... then I am confused as to why you felt the need to mention Barbara / Sheyna / Ari / no name black cat in your post @2:05 PM May 20 /15. .....
 

(0)
Thursday May 21, 2015, 8:40 am
Oh Darren please grow up! These first names with an initial are real identifiers - come on be real! Earl Turner is the name of an entertainer - check the internet. By the way are you or anyone else "gonna make me shut up" digitally accross thousands of miles let alone to my face.
 

. (0)
Thursday May 21, 2015, 8:56 am
Noted
 

Gillian M (11)
Thursday May 21, 2015, 10:14 am
carrie not jess, ha ha ha ha ha ha ha That's not an honest statement - unless you are schizophrenic or have a bi-personality disorder. perhaps you should change your name to janus.

This is solely an attack on one member who should not have been suspended whilst others of great racism stay. This is unacceptable and racist behaviour against a member of care2 because she is Jewish.

Now, I'm sure that someone is going to run to mummy eric and say that penny is saying nasty things but the truth is the truth
 

Sam E M (0)
Thursday May 21, 2015, 10:45 am
There should be a way to limit to one profile only, as any more is obviously for a negative use.
Another problem is the doubling of an existing username. I used Sam M. since I joined Care2 in 2006 but a couple of years ago I had to add an extra E. because somebody else had been allowed to use Sam M. to post. How can readers tell who's posting what if there are two posters with the same name? I never understood why the Care2 system didn't automatically block a second person using the same name, but it didn't so there was no option but to change mine even though I'd been using it for years. Anyone else have this problem?
 

Past Member (0)
Thursday May 21, 2015, 10:51 am
What I find interesting is how many "people" have noted this but didn't sign it.
@Sam E M: No I haven't had that problem yet...
 

Angelika R (143)
Thursday May 21, 2015, 11:16 am
Neither have I but, what I did notice: some time ago Care2 has obvously started to reduce our last names to only the first letter when befre there were full names, never knew why..? It was not by (my)choice.
 

Past Member (0)
Thursday May 21, 2015, 11:19 am
Penny, you are 100% right, and Bernard, you are so wrong.

As you could see on Barbara's example, Arab lobby does not need much to silence a person.

A few provocations, one wrong reply - and multiple profiles of those who blame Israel for every sneeze yet keep completely quiet when inter-Arab injustices are discussed - are coming in at the same time and start telling how deeply insulting that person comments were.

They completely ignore the other comments which made the provocation in the first place.

I remember reading some discussions Arab supporters had with Barbara, and the nastiest things they told her. No one got punished for that.

Surely Penny you and me will be reported to Eric. 40-50 complaints will come saying how offensive our comments were. And when the count is 50:1 a person may think that that 1 is the trouble maker, not the 50, just because 50 is greater than 1.

This is exactly why I asked Care 2 and Eric to consider the whole thread content, not just one post spearheaded by a particular group to put supporters of Arab cause and Israel cause on equal footing.

 

Mary B (28)
Thursday May 21, 2015, 11:27 am
Some members use just an initial for privacy OTHER than anything to do with C2. Our lives do NOT revolve around this site and for personal and professional reasons, I find it rather amusing that anyone would raise this as an objection. Multiple profiles and identities have been present on C2 for years and C2 IS aware.
BTW....I have come across at least 2 others named "Mary B".....any objections?......
 

Carrie B (306)
Thursday May 21, 2015, 11:39 am
My name is Carrie B and and I have one profile though my complete last name is not visible, many of you know what it is. This not about names, but rather multiple profiles.
 

Mary B (28)
Thursday May 21, 2015, 11:59 am
Carrie B......You didn't answer my question as to why you felt it necessary to post one particular member's name.
You and I both know that this has been going on for some time (multiple profiles) so why is it worth a petition now ?. As for the name issue (using an initial), C2 has our last names and as far as I'm concerned, that should be sufficient even though it seems some members want more "information" about us.
 

(0)
Thursday May 21, 2015, 12:09 pm
Maybe Darren old chap since you know so much about me (easy on the internet) and you are quite a few years younger why not toddle around for a beer and tell me face to face to "shut up"?
 

Carrie B (306)
Thursday May 21, 2015, 12:42 pm
Mary, because she was using multiple profiles.
 

. (0)
Thursday May 21, 2015, 12:47 pm
Nothing more pathetic than a sad old man threatening everyone to a fight. . .
 

Mary B (28)
Thursday May 21, 2015, 12:51 pm
Carrie.....so have others and I do believe you are aware of that. I'm not supporting anyone having numerous profiles but I AM saying that your use of an individuals name is suspect.......this isn't about this really, it;s about fairness with the "process" of C2.
 

Carrie B (306)
Thursday May 21, 2015, 1:04 pm
OK Mary fair enough, but I really don't think ANYONE should have more than one profile. I used that persona as an example because she was ~ at that time ~ the most obvious abuser that I was aware of. No one has to agree with me, and if you know of others who have multiple profiles, by all means let Eric know about them.
 

Mary B (28)
Thursday May 21, 2015, 1:06 pm
Nyack.... what is the POINT of your last post ???
 

Mary B (28)
Thursday May 21, 2015, 1:22 pm
Carrie.... he knows.
 

Alexa R (319)
Thursday May 21, 2015, 1:25 pm
And the Witch Hunt for Barbara continues, it's appalling .. So many posters violate care2 regulations so much more than she could even dream of doing .. I guess it is a case of three fingers pointing back, the pot calling the kettle black sort of thing for those partaking in the Barbara Witch Hunt ..

This thread should have been titled more appropriately as the
BARBARA WITCH HUNT

What an embarrassment on care2 that this is that these things are allowed to happen at care2 ..
 

Angelika R (143)
Thursday May 21, 2015, 2:27 pm
I'd love to put it like this: those who cheat on Care2 with multiple phony profiles may also cheat with votes in an election! ONE PERSON-ONE VOTE-ONE PROFILE! Simple!
 

Carrie B (306)
Thursday May 21, 2015, 2:31 pm
Very true Angie, ~ it's about honest ethical behavior.
 

Angelika R (143)
Thursday May 21, 2015, 2:36 pm
EXACTTLY Carrie!
 

Past Member (0)
Thursday May 21, 2015, 2:39 pm
Yes Angelika!
 

Carrie B (306)
Thursday May 21, 2015, 2:48 pm
This post and petition is not about Arabs, Jews, Christians, or anything other than honest behavior by having only ONE Care2 profile. Those trying to make it something else are wrong and once again trying to create problems where none exist.
 

Past Member (0)
Thursday May 21, 2015, 2:51 pm
And I thank you Carrie for it.
I don't want to be part of a community where a person is allowed to have multiple profiles for whatever reason.
 

Past Member (0)
Thursday May 21, 2015, 2:58 pm
I wish I could sign with all my 29,695,926 profiles :)
 

Carrie B (306)
Thursday May 21, 2015, 3:00 pm
Very funny Dimitris! LOL!
 

Past Member (0)
Thursday May 21, 2015, 3:21 pm
I try to offer a bit more than just points Carrie. Like many in here :)
And thank you for all that you do to improve our quality of life :)
 

Past Member (0)
Thursday May 21, 2015, 3:35 pm
Lol Dimitris. This definitely needed a bit of comic relief.
 

Gillian M (11)
Thursday May 21, 2015, 3:54 pm
If a member is suspended for being abusive then why is nyack still here?

and carrie, if you want just one profile then you should be more honest and show your name. Surely you aren't embarrassed by your german ancestor(s) or are you? were they escaped nazis which is why you are so Israelophobic?

just asking the question as to the origin of your extreme Judeophobia.
 

. (0)
Thursday May 21, 2015, 4:36 pm
I've never heard such an infantile statement! You've got 'Nazis' on the brain 'Penny Baxter'!!
 

Jo S (619)
Thursday May 21, 2015, 4:38 pm
I have had many suspicions & questions about these things. Hearing a little here & there, suspicious wording & phrases. I really don't like being manipulated & that is how I am feeling! I don't like it at all! I am honest with my friends & expect the same. If that is to much to ask then don't be my friend, I care about all of my friends & don't want to be deceived!!
Thanks Carrie.
 

Carrie B (306)
Thursday May 21, 2015, 4:48 pm
Mary B., ~ if Eric knew who all doing this are, ~ he wouldn't have asked for examples.

 

Carrie B (306)
Thursday May 21, 2015, 4:57 pm
LOL! Obviously Penny has never visited my profile page ~ an honest profile.
 

Mary B (28)
Thursday May 21, 2015, 4:59 pm
Carrie......many members have done just that.(given examples).....the bottom line of this, Carrie, is perhaps you should have been a bit more discreet in your naming of names.....you could have accomplished the same thing. Now feelings are hurt and some will never know the good this member does / did in life other than what has been shown here.
 

Carrie B (306)
Thursday May 21, 2015, 5:02 pm
Feelings are hurt? Considering that particular member's consideration of others' feelings, ~ I could care less. Perhaps she should have thought about the consequences of her dishonesty.
 

Mary B (28)
Thursday May 21, 2015, 5:16 pm
Carrie.....I was actually referring to ALL C2 members who posted strong feelings for and against.....your response says it all though and shows me anyway that this petition was personal...
 

Caroline d (139)
Thursday May 21, 2015, 6:09 pm
Thank you, dear Cher to speak about this frightening problem that makes honest people uncomfortable when invited by somebody they don't know.
Care2 has a huge investigation to do but it is necessary !

Thank you for caring.
Be blessed
 

. (0)
Thursday May 21, 2015, 6:17 pm
Not signing......this all seems like a storm in a tea cup!!!
 

Carrie B (306)
Thursday May 21, 2015, 6:39 pm
Make up your mind Mary.
 

Katrin Deffen (0)
Thursday May 21, 2015, 6:48 pm
Why was Dimitris comment removed from here?
 

. (0)
Thursday May 21, 2015, 6:56 pm
This petition just seems to have pitted good Care2 members against each other. It makes me sad.....please stop!
 

Carrie B (306)
Thursday May 21, 2015, 6:56 pm
It hasn't been removed.
 

Mary B (28)
Thursday May 21, 2015, 6:58 pm
Carrie.... what are you talking about !!!!......I am against what you did in naming another member and I have always had issue with multiple profiles and have reported them if I become aware.....I DO still think this was personal for you to do in naming another member.and your response "i could care less" was evidence of that.
I too was wondering why some posts have been removed.
 

. (0)
Thursday May 21, 2015, 6:59 pm
Carrie, are you referring to my last comment?
 

Carrie B (306)
Thursday May 21, 2015, 7:01 pm
Mary, your compassion for everyone is touching. Just wonder why I'm not included. LOL! Perhaps you are annoyed for 'personal' reasons as well.
 

Stan B (123)
Thursday May 21, 2015, 7:05 pm
It would appear that there has been collusion to have certain Care 2 members suspended by a vitriolic group which has neither the knowledge nor integrity to engage in open discussion.
 

Carrie B (306)
Thursday May 21, 2015, 7:08 pm
I mean Dimitris' comment has not been removed.
 

Carrie B (306)
Thursday May 21, 2015, 7:12 pm
No Stan, this about any one person having multiple profiles.
 

Mary B (28)
Thursday May 21, 2015, 7:13 pm
Carrie.... it is comments like your last one to me that are telling.......I have compassion in abundance when deserved but I also believe that we EACH have an opinion on most things even if they differ.........thank goodness for our differences....
 

Katrin Deffen (0)
Thursday May 21, 2015, 7:16 pm
It was removed, Carrie. It was there and then it wasn't.
 

Carrie B (306)
Thursday May 21, 2015, 7:17 pm
Karen, I still see it.
 

aj E (164)
Thursday May 21, 2015, 7:22 pm
I do have multiple family members at my residence with separate accounts, and I know lots of people who got their accounts frozen or revoked without explanation, so there could be some of that going on, but who knows.
 

Carrie B (306)
Thursday May 21, 2015, 7:24 pm
Mary, you certainly are adept at ignoring the obvious dishonesty involved by some, but can't resist pointing out imagined wrongdoing by others.
 

Mary B (28)
Thursday May 21, 2015, 7:37 pm
Carrie..........I TOLD you I am against multiple profiles and HAVE reported them.....I'm afraid I don't KNOW about your personal animosity towards Barbara. I Haven't / wasn't involved in those discussions about ANY religious or non religious groups.....If you're asking if I know Barbara but are beating around the bush, the answer is yes. I have asked her on several occasions about my very ill rescue pups to see if she had any different suggestions other than the things MY vet did......there....did that satisfy any lingering doubts you had about my motives for posting here?.I also said you could have started any petition about this issue without naming ANY member.
 

. (0)
Thursday May 21, 2015, 7:57 pm
Meanwhile back at the ranch. . .
 

Kay M (47)
Thursday May 21, 2015, 9:31 pm
Good Evening and thank you for this article -which I read and noted and the petition - which I signed tonight --Sincerely Kay M.
 

Alexa R (319)
Thursday May 21, 2015, 9:41 pm


Funny that it should come from you Carrie, or are you Earl?

Tuesday May 19, 2015, 1:56 pm
C2NN latest: "How Will the Barbed One Survive With Only One Persona?" send green star | flag as inappropriate

 

Alexa R (319)
Thursday May 21, 2015, 9:48 pm
'Earl' is a "survival" profile ..

DOWN WITH EARL TURNER ..!!! No multiple profiles ..!!!
 

Parsifal S (96)
Thursday May 21, 2015, 10:10 pm

Is not it annoying how a discussion about a meaningful petition to care2 has quickly been seized and kidnapped by the huge fraction of the Zionist Mafia who share their hatred and 24/7 Nazi DECEPTIONS all over the network and have already transformed it to kill2 with their promotion of Islamophobia, genocide against minorities i.e. Palestinians, Apartheid and warmongering ?

And have the bottomless impudence portraying themselves as the victims of their own aggression ?
 

Past Member (0)
Thursday May 21, 2015, 10:16 pm
Anyone here want to state their actual first name and if they have only one profile? If you do then that is the kind of friend I want!!!
Music needed....John Lennon "Imagine"
 

Lynn Squance (235)
Thursday May 21, 2015, 10:19 pm
Stan B --- "It would appear that there has been collusion to have certain Care 2 members suspended by a vitriolic group which has neither the knowledge nor integrity to engage in open discussion."

I know for my part, I have not colluded to have any Care2 member suspended, and I am sure that others like Carrie, Jess, Angelika, Evelyn and others have not done so either. In my comment, I said "On http://www.care2.com/news/member/153110506/3877799 the past member is Barbara D aka Sheyna P. Likewise on the same thread, the "True Jew" avatar is Barbara D/Sheyna P as noted by the language. " because this is an example. I have encountered others over the past 4 years but don't remember all their names. If you care to review the example I noted, you will see that this Care2 member does not engage in open discussion but rather engages in abusive vitriol, name calling, lieing, etc. There are others on this thread that also engage in such activity aren't there Penny.

@ Penny --- "This is unacceptable and racist behaviour against a member of care2 because she is Jewish." Penny, this thread is about members that have multiple profiles, for various reasons, not least of which is to skirt around being suspended, It is NOT about racism or being Jewish. No one race, no one religious group has priority.

@ Katrin Deffen --- Comments can disappear as a result of computer glitches. I have had it happen to me several times. Carrie can't remove a comment. That falls to Eric in Care2 Support, if it has been flagged and after his review, meets certain criteria. It is not an instant action. If there is a missing comment, it is very likely a computer glitch.
 

Alexa R (319)
Thursday May 21, 2015, 10:22 pm
Nancy W. I am a Zionist, have only one profile and uses my real first name and I use the avatar my son picked for me As my profile pick because he says it looks like the artist of his gameboy game drew me .. Will you be my friend?
 

Carrie B (306)
Thursday May 21, 2015, 10:28 pm
Thank you Lynn, but I fear that there are those who even knowing the truth refuse to admit it because it isn't very flattering to them, and doesn't fit in with their personal agenda.
 

Parsifal S (96)
Thursday May 21, 2015, 10:28 pm

Lynn Squance Wednesday May 20, 2015, 7:22 pm

'On http://www.care2.com/news/member/153110506/3877799 the past member is Barbara D aka Sheyna P. Likewise on the same thread, the "True Jew" avatar is Barbara D/Sheyna P as noted by the language. Interesting that "True Jew" was established 15/05/15, has no friends yet has many posts to the comment board and has posted on C2NN. And 91,000 butterflies in 5 days? This definitely needs to be addressed.'

Lynn, the Zionist hasbara as well as other organizations including the Pentagon .... (?) using IBM generated profiles equipped with a couple of friends giving the viewer impression it is a real person behind this profile, whereas it is remore cntrolled software created.
(Once in operation, there are similarities to thr drone-warfare)

This, to deceive and maintain and support the idea that many people have the same or similar ideas about a question.
A method of mass-manipulation.
 

Alexa R (319)
Thursday May 21, 2015, 10:30 pm
You're wrong Lynn Squance, Anerican Christians, Israelis (specially religious ones like me) and Republicans are hated on care2. I had one of these posters here even telling me to my face who she hates me, yet care2 did not even remove her comment, let alone suspend her ..

It's a farcical double standard, like Earl, oops or is it Carrie?
 

Mary B (28)
Thursday May 21, 2015, 10:30 pm
Lynn S....I read your post with interest and I would like to ask you if YOU think it is appropriate when starting a petition like this one to name an individual member.....it has been said here that there are avenues to deal with this concern so, is it another member's right to do that to another member (even IF that member is currently under suspension.....I am not against the petition if done for the right reason
 

Carrie B (306)
Thursday May 21, 2015, 10:44 pm
Mary, no one in named in the petition, nor was anyone named in a comment as if to point them out. I made the following comment at the time given above the comment, and it was in response to a comment made by Barbara who was then posting as Ari. All of her/his/their comments have been deleted.

Wednesday May 20, 2015, 2:05 pm
What I find upsetting is that a person who has been suspended comes back with another profile so they continue posting. I'm not sure that's what Care2 has in mind when they suspend someone Barbara/Sheyna/Ari/ no name black cat/ and?

Now sign or don't sign the petition, but stop trying to create some great conspiracy.
 

Mary B (28)
Thursday May 21, 2015, 10:55 pm
Carrie....I will NOT sign any petition that ends up like this one......It is quite disingenuous to carry on when you knew some of the relevant comments were already deleted.....If you note, I didn't come in at the beginning so anyone not knowing what happened prior would get the same message as I did......the moderator was obviously informed as things happened or who else would delete posts.......
 

Past Member (0)
Thursday May 21, 2015, 11:23 pm
Because I see you continue, here I have some thoughts:
Good morning! - at least for me :)
Yes, I post something about Barbara, but it was in another story. It was in Angelika's story about some other signature, and I don't know if that one is still there.
Most of the times I make a comment, but I don't "track" it - you know what I mean? :) First, it's because I don't have internet at home and difficult to keep on with this rhythm. Then, because I find it pointless :) - Unless I wanna have other people's opinion. I want to collect points to do some "good", and that is all. I can't stand the idea of having public "chat" for eternity over difficult issues that even face to face you can't deal with :) I simply find it Real pointless :) There are so many issues in the world - apart our personal - to deal with, and I don't understand why to "stuck" with something, especially through internet. I prefer to keep going, even if I am on my own :)
Dear care2 members, it's a hard work to change the world :) And really, there are so many issues...
With kindly respect,
Dimi :)
 

Darren Woolsey (218)
Thursday May 21, 2015, 11:46 pm
This thread is a pretty good snap shot of what happens all the time in real life between crowds of people.

Carrie begins with good intent and conscience and a few with less years and far less experience wade in with their opinion generated merry-go-round waffle.
 

Past Member (0)
Friday May 22, 2015, 12:35 am
For the record and it can be easily checked I signed this prior to this chaos.
 

Lynn Squance (235)
Friday May 22, 2015, 12:36 am
@ Mary B --- I read the entire petition before I signed and put my comments on it. The petition itself does not make mention of any person but rather multiple profiles. The discussion on the thread started going sideways with Penny Baxter's comment at Wednesday May 20, 2015, 7:42 am. And Bob A made a good suggestion to have only one profile survive, that profile picked by the member. At Wednesday May 20, 2015, 2:05 pm Carrie mentioned some names as an example of someone using multiple profiles to go back into Care2 through a back door, so to speak,after being suspended. This particular person is well known by her comments etc. And I have known others over the past few years but I can't remember all the names now. With Bob's Wednesday May 20, 2015, 8:16 pm, things really started to go sideways unfortunately.

You asked if I personally believe in naming names, and generally I would say no, not without trying some sort of reconciliation first. However, with the name that has come up, her personal attacks and bad behaviour has happened in a public forum and I did try some redress with her but to no avail. I also know that Care2 Support is aware of her situation.
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Friday May 22, 2015, 12:38 am

I have read in disbelief all these postings and the enormous efforts exerted to make this petition a “Barbara witch hunt” and a “Israeli supporter vs Arab supporter” issue when it is clearly NOT as we all know … if we were all honest with each other. Neither is this petition about suspending members or not.

This petition is about multiple profile/name holders who use their multiple accounts to harass, incite, agitate, aggress and stalk other members if and when they post articles on Care2 website which is not favorable or even dares to be critical of polit-Israel. Insinuating that this petition is a “Barbara witch hunt” gives that person too much importance – she is just one of many although the most aggressive one.

Many of us happen to believe that it is against the spirit of Care2 to create multiple profiles/ID’s which are solely used to slur, slander and launch ad hominem attacks of the worst kind (incl. accusing members of highly criminal behaviour without even ONCE providing solid and factual evidence!) against other members just because other members dare to post subjects/opinions/facts which are not necessarily found in main stream media and oppose the views of those multiple account holders. The funny part is that very often those sources which are ridiculed by those “righteous defenders” are often official Israeli government sources. Which makes it even clearer what the true goals of those posters are = derail any discussion into the gutter the best they can!

[To address this as a side note only: The reasons why Barbara/Sheyna/Ari/./ et al. has been possibly suspended – evidence for the suspension is lacking to the best of my knowledge and it is, hence, pure speculation - can be looked up in my first comment of May 20, 2015, 2:26 pm.]

I can provide ample evidence for the correctness/accuracy of my statements above with links for everyone to follow the various discussions and see for themselves who started – and infallible always starts as is evidenced in this very thread too with the first unsubstantiated accusation of May 20, 2015, 7:42 am by Penny Baxter – derailing a discussion, hurling libelous accusations and ad hominem attacks at everyone. The very same trait which is observed if someone opposes the pro-Zionist viewpoint and/or political narrative.

It is a rather disgusting pattern to say the least and crying “I’m the victim” is adding insult to injury. It doesn’t really help the smaller nor the bigger cause of those who see it fit to defend Israel. IF defending Israel were their true aim hoping to achieve a more positive image for Israel they would NOT resort to the above outlined disingenuous tactics but rather argue with solid evidence, intellectual honesty and respect for other opinions rather than resorting to the outlined behaviour pattern in my first comment above.

[In contrast to the outlined above I'd like to just mention the many controversial discussions many of us had with Stephen B. who himself stated that he was indoctrinated with Zionism in his youth but got rid of some later. He is in full support of Israel AND human rights for ALL its inhabitants. We often locked a bit horns, often agreed amicably to disagree and it never ever got nasty or personal. The opposite is the case - I (and I know others too) always enjoyed our exchange. This is how discussions should be. There are other members who happen to be Jewish and are of different views and never ever did a discussion land in the gutter as can be looked up on Care2 website.]

Equally disgusting are the attacks on the representative - or our liason if you will - of Care2Support, Eric, for painting him as the puppet of some imaginary and obscure “Arab agenda” (= conspiracy) who does as told. While I know that Eric can and will stand up for himself if he’d see it of any use and necessity I can’t hold back – it is utterly despicable! If for no other reason than the fact that he is after all our host.

By way of example let me just highlight a few allegations which are thrown in at random and as always WITHOUT a shred of evidence:

1. Accusations of double ID’s – Carrie and Jess being one or Carrie being Earl – no evidence

2. Electronicintifada (a source Carrie uses among others) is labeled a “known ... hate site” – although none of the relevant organizations and agencies who keep a list of true hate sites has them listed - no evidence

3. Accusing Carrie of spreading targeted misinformation on regular basis – no evidence

4. On May 21, 2015, 2:48 am Bernard Cronyn states: “It is quite telling that most of the names supporting this obvious vendetta use pseudonyms.” – no evidence for any vendetta or pseudonyms. On top of it, this petition is NOT against using pseudonyms (the use of which can be justified as Darren outlined further down AND which this petition is NOT about) but it deals with installing MULTIPLE PROFILES for malicious and criminal behavior.

5. On May 21, 2015, 10:14 am Penny Baxter again: “carrie not jess, ha ha ha ha ha ha ha That's not an honest statement - unless you are schizophrenic or have a bi-personality disorder. perhaps you should change your name to janus” – an ad hominem attack of the worst accusing someone of a serious mental disorder – no evidence.

And the same posting continues into even more despicable accusations “This is solely an attack on one member who should not have been suspended whilst others of great racism stay. This is unacceptable and racist behaviour against a member of care2 because she is Jewish.” – no evidence either but lots of slurs and accusations of criminal behavior.

6. Penny Baxter again on May 21, 2015, 3:54 pm “Surely you aren't embarrassed by your german ancestor(s) or are you? were they escaped nazis which is why you are so Israelophobic?” directed at Carrie – and again no evidence.

7. Alexa feels it right to hurl yet more accusations of criminal behaviour against everyone on May 21, 2015, 1:25 pm: “And the Witch Hunt for Barbara continues, it's appalling .. So many posters violate care2 regulations so much more than she could even dream of doing …” – again no evidence just slurs and slanders.

All efforts are exerted to turn this thread (and by extension the petition) into some imaginary “anti-Semitic” and anti-Israel action and/or witch hunt all because the member which was mentioned as an EXAMPLE (although a shining one) says he/she was Jewish. It is IMO nothing but a school book example of projection at its best.

Compare the above quoted examples with the replies of those accused of misdemeanor and criminal behavior and please point out where I went wrong in summing up this thread and the bigger issue.

I will be happy to provide further evidence if needed but please keep in mind that I’ll be only sporadic on Care2 for a week starting today as I’m receiving house guests today and they deserve all my attention. This notwithstanding I’ll make the effort and collect the evidence to publish openly here if so desired.

As for accusations of complaining in a sneaky way and to give an example – I for one have openly stated on a number of threads that such behavior as outlined above in point 1) to 7) as well as in my first posting above is absolutely against the Terms of Conduct of Care2 and that I fail to understand why this is allowed to continue. Equally I have stated this openly when the Islamophobic group here on Care2 was/is out on one of their generalized dehumanization and demonization campaigns. Equally have I said this when all of the Danes have been bashed as “sub-humans”. Et cetera.

I also stated about a year ago openly that I have submitted a complaint to Care2 WITH supporting evidence that I believe certain members must be called to task and reminded of the Care2 Terms of Conduct. This is how an intellectual honest, legitimate and justifiable complaint should be submitted. It is then up to Care2 to evaluate the provided evidence and decide whether or not the claim is objective and accurate and corrective actions should be taken.

In contrast – those who accuse “us” of all these wrongdoings mentioned above never have seen it necessary to just substantiate ONE of their many outrageous accusations thrown at us with a single shred of evidence. None! They all without any exception have the same modus operandi: throw dirt in all directions hoping that something will stick somewhere.

And then they are offended and cry “I/we am/are the victim/s” if evidence is rightfully demanded of them to substantiate their claims – and continue in even further derailing the discussion.

Q.E.D.

I rest my case … for the moment.
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Friday May 22, 2015, 12:43 am

Hi Lynn - it seems our postings crossed each other in cyber space. I have tried too last year to reconcile with "that person" (as mentioning his/her name seems to be inappropriate) openly in a forum and all I got back was: "More rose-scented dreck, Ellie". "Dreck being the Yiddish term for excrements. After that I decided to ignore him/her altogether and he/she stalked me for roughly 3 months in putting under 90% of my comments on any thread an insulting/and or just outright stupid remark ... which I ignored too.

It seems to me that some people don't understand that one can't have the cake and eat it too.
 

Darren Woolsey (218)
Friday May 22, 2015, 12:51 am
Perhaps within this thread, as with so many others, the notion of "freedom of speech" runs into the inevitable trouble it always does, when you have people from different backgrounds, with radically different points of view.

One's egoism often doesn't allow compromise, and compassion is replaced by reactive competition.
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Friday May 22, 2015, 12:53 am

Bob, thank you for explaining the "Big Bang" which I heard a few days ago here in Cairo. It was very loud and very intense and nobody knew what had happened. It was reported all over the Arab world.

Thanks to your posting of May 20, 2015, 8:16 pm I know now why: the Arab population which is +/- 300 million people doubled over night to be 600 million.

Summa – it is always smart to check numbers first if one wants to argue with them ;-).

Between you and me: do you think it was the "little Dawah ghost" which was at work - LOL?

On a more serious note, Bob - you state that:

"I remember reading some discussions Arab supporters had with Barbara, and the nastiest things they told her. No one got punished for that." Are you privy to inside information and would you care to share with us in providing some proof?

"Surely Penny you and me will be reported to Eric. 40-50 complaints will come saying how offensive our comments were. And when the count is 50:1 a person may think that that 1 is the trouble maker, not the 50, just because 50 is greater than 1." Again insinuations and accusations against not just all of us but also against Care2. Any evidence for your statement?

"This is exactly why I asked Care 2 and Eric to consider the whole thread content, not just one post spearheaded by a particular group to put supporters of Arab cause and Israel cause on equal footing." Don't wish that Care2 puts the two on equal footing because - as is evidenced in this thread perfectly well! - the "Israel supporters" don't exist IMO and as outlined in my comment of May 22, 2015, 12:38 am and the group which visits every thread surrounding the Middle East would be banned for life ... or until they learn intellectual honesty, decency and a thing or two about mutual respect.

Stay safe ...

And to everybody: Peace, Shalom, Salam - Shalom, Peace, Salam - Salam, Shalom, Peace ... just not to be accused that I give preference to anybody. ;-)



 

. (0)
Friday May 22, 2015, 1:24 am
Yes, good old David B, constantly thwarting his suspensions through new profiles, but always instantly recognizable by the articles he posted, repeatedly, ad nauseum.

Sometimes creating a new profile is the only alternative one seems to have when the other(s) have somehow become inaccessible. So a person could have several profiles but only be able to access one of them. Those with multiple profiles should be allowed to choose the one they would like to keep and be able to combine any points they have accumulated.

Not sure why using multiple profiles to "harass" etc., is any worse than using just one in the same manner.
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Friday May 22, 2015, 1:25 am


Thank you Carrie and all the members who see this issue for what it is – that MULTIPLE ACCOUNTS are quite obviously created for one single purpose only: to obstruct any meaningful discussion albeit at times heated (which should not be stifled), oppress Freedom of Speech and Expression, aggress and insult every opponent and to derail any exchange of views and opinions at any and all cost.

And to put those to rest who accuse some of us of using false names/pseudonyms: I have from the start always used my full name and never saw a necessity of hiding my profile either. Why should I? If I can’t stand behind what I write with my name than I should not be writing to start with! It’s as simple as that.

This notwithstanding I do respect that there are valid and genuine reasons for using a pseudonym. But then again - THIS is NOT the issue of this petition!

 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Friday May 22, 2015, 1:44 am

Hi Donn - "Not sure why using multiple profiles to "harass" etc., is any worse than using just one in the same manner."

As said before - it so happen that these "multiple profile" holders are the outstanding ones and "they" have gone bunkers over the past weeks to were it became unbearable. Witness to this are countless threads to which I can provide you the links should you wish so. It goes without saying that any of the above outlined behavior is despicable, dishonest and Care2 should deal with all of them in applying simply the Terms of Conduct which leave not much room for guess work; whether it is a single account holder or a multiple account holder.

On the rare occasions that I have flagged a comment (other than the obvious spams which offer whatever services) I always substantiate my reasons for flagging in pointing out to which part I object and add as support for me asking that this comment be removed the following:

"ToS Summary, Art. 2 reads:
“You will not transmit through the Service any unlawful, harassing, libelous, abusive, threatening, harmful, vulgar, obscene or otherwise objectionable material of any kind or nature.”

ToS, Chapter 6, first bullet, reads:
“You agree to not use the Service to:
… post, … any Content that is unlawful, harmful, threatening, abusive, harassing, tortious, defamatory, vulgar, obscene, libelous, invasive of another's privacy, hateful, or racially, ethnically or otherwise objectionable”

One of the last ones was when a member offered to "knee-cap" another member because the first one was standing up for equal human rights for ALL and incl. the Palestinians. Frankly - I was tempted to flag a comment were it was stipulated that the best would be to wipe out the whole ME and North Africa ... but I didn't.

I agree with your notion that the multiple account holders should have a choice to choose and consolidate their points. But I understand that if an account becomes inaccessible one can simply contact Care2. Alternatively - if this doesn't work for someone I would see it honest to make a statement to that extent in the billboard of the new profile (I've come across some). It always boils down to intellectual honesty and the true intentions of the account holder.


 

. (0)
Friday May 22, 2015, 2:02 am
What are you talking about, Eleonora? Are you actually suggesting that there is any intellectual honesty, decency or mutual respect on any side of any Middle East thread? Who exactly would be banned for life, the Israel supporters , or the anti-Israelis? Maybe there should be a moratorium on any stories regarding Israel or the Palestinians as they only result in nastiness on both sides.
 

. (0)
Friday May 22, 2015, 2:12 am
That was my comment about the earth being better off without the ME or N. Africa, and it was clearly in response to Earl's comment about the earth being better off without Israel, but I guess you missed that comment , as you don't mention being tempted to flag that one.
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Friday May 22, 2015, 2:30 am

Yes Donn - I did miss Earl's comment otherwise I would have reacted the very same way as you may have seen in the past when other members have come up with similar ideas. I don't need to defend my record - it's out there for everyone interested to see.

Your comment of Friday May 22, 2015, 2:02 am is only and ONLY acceptable if you provide supportive evidence to your accusations and links where any of us - who stand up against the continuous Hasbara of political Zionist supporters as well as their insults, outright threats of physically harming opponents, ad hominem attacks and accusations of criminal behavior - has behaved in the same way incl. simple tit-for-tat answers. To the best of my knowledge such has never happened.

As I said earlier - even Israeli Government sites are labeled hate sites and Arab propaganda if it serves their purpose of derailing and slandering.

Until then ...
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Friday May 22, 2015, 2:31 am

Before I’m signing off I’d like to put a single question forward and to get back to the topic at the same time.

I can list a hundred reasons why dual/multiple ID's must not be tolerated. Nevertheless, it is perhaps a lot easier if those opposing this petition do us all a favour and answer one simple question:

What good well-meaning cause can it possibly serve?

 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Friday May 22, 2015, 2:37 am

Ops forgot ... Donn, you don't agree much with Freedom of Speech and Expression or how do I have to understand your above request for a moratorium? And while at it - would you also suggest a moratorium regarding all these inciting hate articles with doctored-up, edited and outright falsified information about Islam? ... I've never read you on any of those "happy Islam bashing" threads were a specific group of Care2 always has a feast and goes relentlessly at 2 Bio people ...

Have a nice day everybody!
 

Gillian M (11)
Friday May 22, 2015, 3:37 am
nyack, as someone who understands Englisn and legal terms, let me explain that you do need to go to a lawyer to have him/her explain to you the difference between slander, libel and defamation of character. On that basis, I have never slandered you, nor has anyone else, but you have repeatedly defamed my character and that of other people on this board.
 

Gillian M (11)
Friday May 22, 2015, 3:46 am
Eleanora, you have no idea what you are talking about. carrie has repeatedly been Judeophobic and Israelophobic and she is totally aware of this. I don't need to prove anything to you nor does anyone else who has to put up with her anti-Semitism which definition includes blaming Israel for crimes which no other country is accused/blamed for. If you want examples, the Palestinians who suffer abysmally in Muslim controlled countries yet she never says a word even on stories posted. I'm concerned about the people in Syria who are suffering yet you are all silent on it. I am aware from the Egyptian friends I have that your country does not like nor support those in Gaza. Egypt destroyed Gazan properties and I didn't hear a whisper from anyone about it other than myself. Abbas will not let Syrian Palestinians into Gaza and has publicly stated that he would prefer them to die. All of you are silent. Israel helps any injured Syrian that they come across, silence from all of you. I doubt that any of you have heard of the White Helmets either as none of you have mentioned them nor would you be interested.

Additionally, it is obvious that she is jess from the style of writing. Then we should look at earl whose abusive torrent of medically challenged garbage is extremely reminiscent of jess, they have exactly the same friends and "he" appeared when jess was suspended. funny how jess came back almost immediately yet barb is still suspended.

carrie, be careful what you wish for, it may come true.
 

Jonathan Harper (0)
Friday May 22, 2015, 4:44 am
noted
 

Angelika R (143)
Friday May 22, 2015, 4:49 am
OMG -for all I know, THIS IS how WARS are started. Do we really want that? P E A C E NOW !!!!!
 

Lynda G (123)
Friday May 22, 2015, 4:50 am
Why do some people have multiple profiles?

1. They accidentally created an extra profile, and decided to leave it open, just in case it was needed, but use only one.
2. They lost their account through some glitch and created another - maybe even more than one, but they only use one.
3. They created 2 or more accounts so they could sign more petitions and collect more credits.
4. They were suspended, and when reinstated created a second account so they wouldn’t be frozen out of Care2 for months and months on end. They only use the second account if they are suspended again.
5. They were suspended, and felt they did not deserve suspension:
a) Some of these people use the second account only for contacts, green stars and butterfly credits.
b)Some of them use it to continue speaking for their cause.
6. They created 2 or more accounts because they were suspended for inappropriate behaviour but refused to take responsibility for their behaviour;
a) -and some use it to continue attacking others in a nasty argument that they refuse to lose.
7. They have multiple accounts because they want their argument to appear popular, supported by many, to persuade other people to believe it must be right. These are ‘sockpuppets’
8. They have multiple accounts so they can gang up on members they disagree with, attack, insult, abuse and flame them collectively to intimidate and silence them.
9. They have multiple accounts so they can multiple flag members they don’t like.

Number 3 is dishonest and greedy, but that’s Care2’s problem. I personally haven’t got a problem with 1, 2, 4, 5a and 5b, and I wouldn’t support any action to deny those people a second account. All of the others are disgusting and I would like to see them stopped, but many of them seem to have the blessing of Care2, so I gave up flagging them ages ago. As long as gang flagging and personal vendettas persist on Care2, I don’t blame anyone who keeps a spare profile up their sleeve. Good luck to them.
 

. (0)
Friday May 22, 2015, 5:43 am
Alexa R. - Thursday May 21, 2015, 9:48 pm

"'Earl' is a "survival" profile ..

DOWN WITH EARL TURNER ..!!! No multiple profiles ..!!!"

You people are QUITE mad.

Not long ago when I joined I think I was asked my 'objective', and I put down survival - not just mine but the planet's and everything on it; and for that I get from you the as-usual infantile "DOWN WITH EARL TURNER". . . (shakes head in utter bewilderment. . .) Mad - quite mad - mad as a March hare!
 

Darren Woolsey (218)
Friday May 22, 2015, 5:52 am
A variation of Chinese Whispers springs to mind.

If this was a real public meeting, I'd be in the corner now, with a mug of cappuccino, observing the circus in front of me.
 

DaleLovesOttawa O (198)
Friday May 22, 2015, 5:58 am
Chinese Whispers, have not heard of that before, learn something every day.
 

Paulinha Russell (80)
Friday May 22, 2015, 6:03 am
Signed this morning. Thanks
 

Angelika R (143)
Friday May 22, 2015, 6:03 am
After reading all this I am getting a good idea of what REAL world issues being negotiated might look like or can turn into.. such as the Iran nuclear deal..
This here is bizarre!
 

Nancy M (147)
Friday May 22, 2015, 6:05 am
Yes, I had not heard of Chinese Whispers either. I know it as gossip.
 

. (0)
Friday May 22, 2015, 6:06 am
THAT'S the other word I looking for! Mad and BIZARRE!!!
 

Darren Woolsey (218)
Friday May 22, 2015, 6:20 am
Yes, Angelika. . . now put a firearm into a few people's hands here. . . truly scary as people's egotism and vanity are triggered. . .
 

Parsifal S (96)
Friday May 22, 2015, 7:43 am

excellent observation Darren Woolsey - TUFT (Thank You For That)
 

Sam E M (0)
Friday May 22, 2015, 8:25 am
How did this turn into such a nasty bickering match, I didn't even bother reading the last posts...
It's disappointing that in a caring community there can be so much mud throwing between members.
Excuse me while I take myself somewhere more peaceful.
 

Darren Woolsey (218)
Friday May 22, 2015, 8:50 am
Sam E. M = The profile you are looking for could not be found
 

Past Member (0)
Friday May 22, 2015, 9:10 am
Sam E.M., how come a caring community turned into a nasty bickering match?

Some people, me included, get a feeling of being indoctrinated and brainwashed, when they see supporters of Arab cause and Islamic Dawah pushing their articles on everyone at a rate of tens per week, ensuring that several anti-Israel articles are made popular in all sections:
* World (where they belong),
* US Poliitcs (where they hardly belong),
* Society and Culture (where they do not belong) and sometimes even
* Environment (where they surely do not belong),

I do not accept any indoctrination and brainwashing, and am sure many others don't as well.

Moreover, I completely reject any foul play. When some people get banned from the side (Barbara), but those who argued with her and used same insulting language are still here and commenting, I see a foul play.

This foul play is caused by Care Admins looking just for numbers of complaints when suspending a eperson, and the count of Arab cause supporters exceeding the count of Israel cause supporters.

A foul play always turns into a "nasty bickering match" and people breaking the rules.
 

Carrie B (306)
Friday May 22, 2015, 9:38 am
I am taking myself away from the chaos caused by a few. As I said before ~ sign or don't sign.
 

Past Member (0)
Friday May 22, 2015, 9:49 am
Not only would I be in the corner having a cappuccino, well at this point more likely a glass of white wine I'd be out the door.
I didn't sign this petition because I was against anyone or their views. I do thank Carrie for posting it though.
Have a great weekend everyone!
 

Alexa R (319)
Friday May 22, 2015, 10:16 am
'Earl', it does not take a genius to work out rather quickly, that you're a fake and second profile of someone who comments regularly.

Other than the fact that you've clearly shown on this thread your true identity ( the evidence of which I will share shortly) you've shown here that you have the same strange inability that Carrie suffers from, challenging me, hoping that I was bluffing, never learning that I ALWAYS have evidence before I would EVER dare speak out.

Firstly, I quote:


Penny Baxter (1)
Thursday May 21, 2015, 3:54 pm
If a member is suspended for being abusive then why is nyack still here?

and carrie, if you want just one profile then you should be more honest and show your name. Surely you aren't embarrassed by your german ancestor(s) or are you? were they escaped nazis which is why you are so Israelophobic?

just asking the question as to the origin of your extreme Judeophobia. send green star | flag as inappropriate

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Which is clearly an attack on Carrie. Yet who was defending her almost immediately? You know who, but for the sake of others I quote:



Earl Turner (14)
Thursday May 21, 2015, 4:36 pm
I've never heard such an infantile statement! You've got 'Nazis' on the brain 'Penny Baxter'!! send green star | flag as inappropriate

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Now, I too often defend my care2 friends when they're insulted here on care2, but it normally take me a long while before I notice they've been attacked, because we're not on care2 at the same time.

Secondly: the "survival" profile that has been created recently, Earl Turner, seems to be an old hand attacking and creepingly going after those that Carrie had nasty arguments with. In other words, Earl takes vengeance on behalf of Carrie. Like Earl Turner making a nasty first comment on my most recent, not widely shared news item, even before I had a chance to make a comment. When 'Earl Turner' and I have NEVER had any arguments before .. Why would someone that I know 100% nothing about, try and spoil one of my newly posted news items with a nasty comment? It can be only one of two reasons, either he is a completely nasty piece of work, going round and sneaking nasty first comments onto a stranger's newly posted news item, or 'he' is not who he says he is, but someone like Carrie, who has a motivation for doing so, because we had very heated arguments and disagreed completely.

Thirdly, 'Earl' is a liar. I quote:


Earl Turner (14)
Friday May 22, 2015, 5:43 am
Alexa R. - Thursday May 21, 2015, 9:48 pm

"'Earl' is a "survival" profile ..

DOWN WITH EARL TURNER ..!!! No multiple profiles ..!!!"

You people are QUITE mad.

Not long ago when I joined I think I was asked my 'objective', and I put down survival - not just mine but the planet's and everything on it; and for that I get from you the as-usual infantile "DOWN WITH EARL TURNER". . . (shakes head in utter bewilderment. . .) Mad - quite mad - mad as a March hare! send green star | flag as inappropriate

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It is a typical liar's response to go over the top like in the above quote when someone simply asked a question, I quote:


Alexa R. (327)
Thursday May 21, 2015, 9:41 pm


Funny that it should come from you Carrie, or are you Earl?

Tuesday May 19, 2015, 1:56 pm
C2NN latest: "How Will the Barbed One Survive With Only One Persona?" send green star | flag as inappropriate

send green star | flag as inappropriate

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A non liar would have calmly asked, why I said down with the Earl profile, and would not have ignored my preceding question either, but calmly answered it too, even if he THEN started calling me names .. Specially since 'Earl Turner' and I are supposed to be complete strangers to each other .. non-liars have a strong desire to set-the-record-straight aka answer my question about Carrie and Earl in a definitive answer or statement, a liar avoids questions that exposes their lies ..

The style of comments shared between Carrie and 'Earl' is also similar, other than 'Earl', being fake, is more vicious.

If all of Carries closest friends, which happen to also be 'Earl's closest friends did not know that Carrie is 'Earl', and they are his closest friends, and I made a demand to remove his profile, they would all have had my comment reported by now and my account suspended .. Not to say shouting from the rooftops about how I should not demand their care2 friend's removal. Their silence is saying that they're aware of this double profile of Carries ..

Finally, Carrie was the first to put up a message on 'Earl's message board, then only did the rest of Carrie's closest friends follow ..

There, may this be enough evidence I hope, to show why I'm extremely suspicious about Earl and Carrie being multiple profiles. May they admit it at last .. And so can this witch hunt and care2 wars come to a final end ..


 

Carrie B (306)
Friday May 22, 2015, 10:23 am
Alexa, perhaps you should take your false claims to Care2 and see what they say. Excuse me my dear, but your assertion is a complete lie!

Just in care anyone wants to know what 'hasbara propaganda' is take a look at the comments left here by Bob A., Penny Baxter, and Alexa R.. They have become experts of the hasbara practice of derailment and deflection.
 

Parsifal S (96)
Friday May 22, 2015, 10:24 am

As long as in this network (real?) profiles which serve to realize interests of their AIPAC masters - which is to stir up Islamophobia, approve the slow genocide of the defenceless Palestinians with many insidious means, support or play down, glorify racial segregation and with countless Nazi-like articles of a rabid Zionist opinion-dictatorship are free and undisturbed on the go as spin doctors, I think it's only fair if there are here a few caring and brave, peace-loving fellow human beings with heart and compassion who dare and indeed try to counterbalance.
These produce their views to the war thorn ME, offer solutions and facts beyond the Zionist spin and mind control to the open spirits of c2.

Unfortunately, these brave peace activists are threatened by the Hasbara, insulted, their articles and opinions considered anti-Semitic and decorated with all sorts of names that really should not belong here:

Just recently the Zionist Bob Algeron pid = 175584615, actually insulted me as a Nazi called me sick and denounced me as a conspiracy nutcase because in a debate I dared to point to the real goal of the Zionist conspiracy for the entire Middle East, 'The Yinon Plan for the Erez Israel' also known as 'A New Israeli Strategy Toward 2000'

Such slurs are possibly meant to discredit and intimidate those who think differently and not share the scheme of violence of the Zionist conspiracy.

Moreover, I find that the prevailing Zionist gang in c2 has evolved into an influential pressure group, and peace-loving and factual issues such as this thread in the c2NN here misused for their goals, turned completely off topic and into a warlike scenario.
 

Parsifal S (96)
Friday May 22, 2015, 10:52 am

Bree Daniker (Zero Frieds)

One should not judge others by one's own standards

And tell me please if the government of Israel smelled like roses why would it need a hasbara brigade !
 

Alexa R (319)
Friday May 22, 2015, 10:57 am
Denny the evidence I shared all you like Carrie. Truth speaks for it self. Without any evidence to support your false counter accusations, they are just that, false counter accusations while you continue to avoid the evidences of what I presented ..
 

Alexa R (319)
Friday May 22, 2015, 11:00 am
OopS, it should read "deny" hahaha .. 'Denny' .. That would make a good fake profile for your Carrie .. Just a suggestion ..
 

Nancy M (147)
Friday May 22, 2015, 11:04 am
This thread is entitled "How Many Care2 Profiles Does One Person Need? ~ PETITION ~ PLEASE SIGN!" not Israel and Palestine.

 

Parsifal S (96)
Friday May 22, 2015, 11:06 am

Bree Daniker, Barbara, Sheyna, Ari Ben-Gideon (oops I may have lost the track) et al

for all of your identities:

Hasbara. 11 Signs of an IDF Internet Troll
 

Carrie B (306)
Friday May 22, 2015, 11:22 am
LOL Parsifal. She has no moral ethics at all, ~ and proves it on a daily basis.
 

. (0)
Friday May 22, 2015, 11:49 am
Alexa, Alexa, Alexa, dear oh dear you are in a confused state aren't you dear? You have my deepest sympathy, and I hope the voices in your head telling you about these bizarre nasty people and conspiracies are silenced REAL soon. As for your "evidence". . . Well. . . Pathetic doesn't BEGIN to describe it - the only evidence you've unfortunately laid bare here in front of millions of op-mouthed viewers is that of your own sad and all too obvious PARANOIA.
Never fear, there IS a cure, go and have a lie down - the men in white coats will be arriving to take you back any minute now. . .
 

Carrie B (306)
Friday May 22, 2015, 11:55 am
I have a learned a valuable lesson here. This post and petition have shown me that nothing really can be done to stop someone who is intent upon dishonesty and disruption. We can, however, make others aware of the behavior and allow them to decide what, ~ as an individual, ~ he or she would like to do.

My intention was honest, but my expectations flawed. I thank everyone who signed and left honest relevant feedback. Everyone else, ~ well, you have made spectacles of yourself, and your motives are suspect.

No matter how hold I get, I will never stop hoping for the best, while accepting the outcome. My ONE profile is all I need to come me busy, ~ obviously it annoys a few of you ~ and that isn't necessarily a bad thing. :-)
 

Carrie B (306)
Friday May 22, 2015, 11:56 am
'keep me busy'
 

Darren Woolsey (218)
Friday May 22, 2015, 12:09 pm
Agree with you Carrie. This entire thread has just given a few characters further opportunity to show their characteristic traits.
 

Carrie B (306)
Friday May 22, 2015, 12:24 pm
I think it is important for ALL of us to know that while Care2 may not be acting quickly enough for us (me), ~ they are well aware of what is going on, and do take note of all our concerns. They also know who the 'trouble-makers' are. Now, ~ excuse me while I try to make amends and get off that 'trouble-maker' list.
 

Alexa R (319)
Friday May 22, 2015, 12:26 pm
You've been exposed Carrie, Earl, no matter how you try and deny or avoid,,etc .. You've truly exposed yourself here for all to see ..

Funny thing truth, isn't it .. It ALWAYS catches up with the liars and those trying to witch hunt others like Barbara ..
 

Carrie B (306)
Friday May 22, 2015, 12:26 pm
Alexa, ~ PROVE IT! You are a liar!
 

. (0)
Friday May 22, 2015, 12:52 pm
I WAS going to send you a have-a-nice-weekend thingy but then I had second thoughts 'cos then the pink looney would start accusing me of being you and you of being me and it was all starting to make my brain hurt so I didn't bother! ;)
 

Carrie B (306)
Friday May 22, 2015, 1:00 pm
Alexa ~ either prove your unfounded and false accusations or retract them! You are a LIAR and should be exposed!
 

Mary B (28)
Friday May 22, 2015, 1:06 pm
Alexa....I'm quite sure both of us have been labelled as "trouble makers" by those who don't believe there IS another way to conduct themselves......The premise being two wrongs apparently DO make a right.
It's not worth getting suspended over and losing your voice altogether..... Have a wonderful day and weekend
 

Carrie B (306)
Friday May 22, 2015, 1:08 pm
Yes, Mary B. you are a trouble maker, and very disingenuous.
 

Carrie B (306)
Friday May 22, 2015, 1:11 pm
Still waiting for the liar Alexa to PROVE her very false accusations! Since I know she can't ~ perhaps we should ALL disregard her blatant lies!
 

Angelika R (143)
Friday May 22, 2015, 1:13 pm
NO ! Please please NOT another of such "evidence presentation" , spare us! It seems to NOT be a case of lying, it is the mind, a mental thing the way it looks.
 

Carrie B (306)
Friday May 22, 2015, 1:18 pm
Sorry Angie, but since Alexa 'the lair' seems to want to continue this particular topic...
 

Past Member (0)
Friday May 22, 2015, 1:21 pm
Carrie, you will not make me to follow you agenda. I watched these tricks from Arab PR workers too many times and they are not entertaining to me anymore.

And please, please do not talk honesty when you attach fake pictures to promote the worst Islamic Dawah possible.

This is your post Jerusalem Is Building A City For The Dead where you substituted the original photo of overloaded cemetery with a bench saying "Jews Only”, accusing Israel in racism.

Here is the correct link for everyone to see you in action:
href=" http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/05/20/jerusalem-dead-city_n_7345936.html?utm_hp_ref=worldpost-middle-east ">Jerusalem Is Building A City For The Dead

Not all people will open the article and not all people are aware of such Dawah practices. But some are, and the number of those who knows grows...

 

Mary B (28)
Friday May 22, 2015, 1:23 pm
Carrie.... I would ask the same of you to clarify why you are allowed to say on a public forum why you say I AM disingenuous.......seems like only you are allowed to cry foul ?.....I;m quite sure you have flagged me because I dare to disagree with you.......
 

Carrie B (306)
Friday May 22, 2015, 1:23 pm
Bob A., I have no agenda, but obviously YOU do.
 

Carrie B (306)
Friday May 22, 2015, 1:26 pm
Mary B, I am sure your 'rants' make perfect sense to you, ~ but for the rest of the world?
 

. (0)
Friday May 22, 2015, 1:34 pm
I can never make head nor tail of Bob's rants either. . .
 

Mary B (28)
Friday May 22, 2015, 1:35 pm
MY RANTS !! Considering this petition of yours only has 78 / 1000 signatures at this time, maybe some others were / are questioning it too.....your friends won't let you down because that's what friends do....BUT.... perhaps they don't always agree either....Your last response was predictable and it is just like those from other threads where feeling run high.......YOU could have stopped this yesterday as the petition writer (or at least clarified to all your intent) but you chose to engage others and don't like that they pushed back......for anyone who cares to hear the truth, I agree completely with members having ONE profile, I do NOT have ANY interest in the politics or religion of this thread as it stands but I DO believe in fairness for all..
 

Carrie B (306)
Friday May 22, 2015, 1:43 pm
Mary B, ~ You have been exposed! LOL1
 

Mary B (28)
Friday May 22, 2015, 1:45 pm
Carrie.... exposed as what ?? Let's hear you justify that statement...... You seem quite happy to call other members liars......
 

Carrie B (306)
Friday May 22, 2015, 1:53 pm
Please PROVE ALL claims against me!
 

Mary B (28)
Friday May 22, 2015, 1:56 pm
Carrie.... exposed as what???.....almost forgot... "LOL"
 

Past Member (0)
Friday May 22, 2015, 2:04 pm
Carrie: "Bob A., I have no agenda..." - Than you for finally admitting the obvious truth.

Whose agenda do you follow, when you fake a photo of an overloaded Jerusalem cemetery with a bench "Jews Only"? Who can benefit from all the negative feelings that you are trying to create?
 

Past Member (0)
Friday May 22, 2015, 2:28 pm
Carrie,

I proved my claim of you stirring hate against Israel in the post above! You faked a photo of an overloaded Jerusalem cemetery with an irrelevant picture of a bench titled "Jews Only", accusing Israel in racism.

Now what? Will you apologize to Israelis and Jews, improve your behavior for the future, or will just ignore it and continue the agenda?

Agenda of those, who find plenty of resources to prepare professionally drawn picture of a bench, unavailable to a wide public?

 

Carrie B (306)
Friday May 22, 2015, 2:36 pm
Yes Bob ~ Blah, blah, b;ah!
 

Mary B (28)
Friday May 22, 2015, 2:44 pm
And that good C2 members is how to handle confrontation and truth seeking... "Blah, blah, blah "
 

Darren Woolsey (218)
Friday May 22, 2015, 2:48 pm
Bobby A.
I've gone back and compared the two photographs. A park bench compared to an overflowing grave. SOME would be offended by the graves. And, clearly some are offended by the very idea that Carrie might have decided to include a park bench with some irony.

Given your predilection for getting on your high horse (dig the photo....) and proving points, nothing I type is going to change your clearly fixed ingrained view.

Rather than rant'n'rave, post news articles yourself, from your own perspective. It's easier to criticize than create.
 

Mary B (28)
Friday May 22, 2015, 2:57 pm
Darren..... no words for the "posting" of such a picture to the person posting it other than "irony"?....I have not seen the picture but obviously SOME take / took offense.....seems to me an apology would go miles in making this tolerable.......this can't be one sided given the very nature of the subject .....or the petition
 

Past Member (0)
Friday May 22, 2015, 5:08 pm
Darren,

We are no friends and I don't appreciate calling me by nick names. Please keep your address respectful.

If a story is about overcrowded cemetery, the picture of graves offends nobody. Park bench with a title "Jews Only" has no irony in it. It has a false message of alleged racism, practiced by Israel.

Islam gives death penalty for cartoon drawings of Mohammed. I never heard your voice supporting irony of those who drew the cartoons when Islamic terrorists came to kill people.

You came to defend an obvious foul play and are complaining that my view is "fixed ingrained" not to believe whitewashing offered?

Don't take Care2 audience for fools. I know that Arab PR workers like posting things on how naive Americans are, etc, but, hey, lots of Arabs want to immigrate to America, and not vise versa, and for lots of reason.
 

. (0)
Friday May 22, 2015, 5:18 pm
The infantile schoolyard pettiness in this thread is so tiresome now and has gone on so long it's starting to grow a beard!
Bottom line: You wanna sign the petition DO SO - if you don't wan't to sign it DON'T! End of story AND thread!

That's All Folks!!!
 

Lynn Squance (235)
Friday May 22, 2015, 5:23 pm
I have seldom seen so much BS and rancour on a thread. It MUST stop! IMO, the intent of the petition was clear, and yes Bob, your suggestion to let the member chose which profile to keep was a good one. But past that, this thread has degenerated into anarchy, BS and rancour. I have signed the petition with a comment because I agree with 1 person/1 profile. But if Care2 asked me, I would say close the thread to additional comments but leave the petition alone.
 

fly bird (26)
Friday May 22, 2015, 6:59 pm
This post is about ONE profile PER PERSON
- whatever was used to distract from the focus of the petition, object to it - or the support for it - appears to be personal and/or to derail.

There is a lack of civility and respect, which, I think, seem connected to some valid reasons for the petition.

Penny Baxter, Making false statements on the thread and besmirching the names of people, friends, or me, is another was not the focus of this petition. But you made false claims and assertions on this thread, without apparent consideration of care 2 rules.

Your reference to 'escaped nazis' (Thursday May 21, 2015, 3:54 pm), addressing Carrie, seemed deliberately offensive and disrespectful, to me.
Friday May 22, 2015, 3:46 am -
Comments and distractions, off the subject, that are repetitive and inappropriate, like calling Carrie and I, or Earl, one person, to 'wag the dog', derail the subject of the post and attempt to spread false rumors or accusations (friends and "he" appeared when jess was suspended) fall flat.

Trying to discredit people, seems pointless, in my opinion.

Apologies and respect, however, can go a long way to improving matters, when sincere, I believe.

This comment is to rectify false assertions and express my views, where I think a line has been crossed, an, where, some have been unfairly maligned in a forum, that many would like to see, free of such abuse.







 

Nikki Davey (16)
Friday May 22, 2015, 7:30 pm
Petition signed.
Some pretty nasty vindictive and childish quarrels going on here. Sad.
 

Alexa R (319)
Friday May 22, 2015, 10:49 pm
Did you forget to sign back in as 'Earl', Carrie?

I was having a conversation with Earl about the behaviour of a liar and then you chirped in:

Carrie B. (306)
Friday May 22, 2015, 1:18 pm
Sorry Angie, but since Alexa 'the lair' seems to want to continue this particular topic... send green star | flag as inappropriate

--

Since you claim such expertise of care2 management Carrie,
Which is the lie, can you or can't you PM someone after they got suspended?

I quote:

http://dingo.care2.com/pictures/c2c/profiles/82/827/755/827551733_60x60.jpg
Carrie B. (306)

Wednesday May 20, 2015, 8:00 pm
Yes indeed Lynn, ~ my message box is full of comments from that 'past member' who was found out and is now upset with ME over her dishonesty. So sorry past member, but you are on your own.
----

First you called Barbara a liar, then Bob, then me, now Mary B on this thread too ..

Since you seem to consider yourself an expert in accusing others of lying, I thought you may clear up these two issues for me ..

In summary: can a suspended person, like 'past member' flood anyone with PMs as you claimed?

Did you forget to log back in as Earl when you rudely interrupted my conversation with him about the behaviour of liars? I wanted to 'get to know' him a little as I've never had an exchange with him whereas he has already sneaked a nasty first comment on my recently posted news item ..


 

Alexa R (319)
Friday May 22, 2015, 10:58 pm
Or is 'Earl' just reserved for nasty comments and not for conversation or discussion? Is that why I never get to know him or have a coversation or discussion with him? Just curious ..
 

Darren Woolsey (218)
Saturday May 23, 2015, 12:38 am
Bob A.
You're right. Irrespective of our differences, I shouldn't have referred to you as Bobby.
I offer an apology and a virtual handshake
Regards
Darren
 

Past Member (0)
Saturday May 23, 2015, 1:07 am
If only everyone could demonstrate the civility and politeness as Darren.
 

Parsifal S (96)
Saturday May 23, 2015, 1:12 am

@ Zionist with the profile name Alexa R.

Hatred against anyone who dares not to strictly obey your hallowed opinion can never be a good driving force.
Please stop such hideous power games and revenge cravings in care2.
 

Alexa R (319)
Saturday May 23, 2015, 1:47 am
@anti-zionist Parsifal, I do not hate anyone.. That takes too much time, energy and effort ..

But I most certainly DO have the time, energy to fight for the same code of conduct being applied to ALL care2 members, even Including Carrie, specifically and specially regarding multiple profiles and lying ..
 

Parsifal S (96)
Saturday May 23, 2015, 2:49 am

Wrong denotation Zionist with the profile name Alexa R., I am not anti-Zionist, a tag which could bring me on the Mossad kill list -- I am simply a sound anti fascist and anti war individual and this makes me a keen observer of the official policy of the rogue state Israel
 

. (0)
Saturday May 23, 2015, 3:34 am
I can hear crickets. . .
 

Gillian M (11)
Saturday May 23, 2015, 3:43 am
To prove that carrie is not honest her comment

Wednesday May 20, 2015, 8:00 pm
Yes indeed Lynn, ~ my message box is full of comments from that 'past member' who was found out and is now upset with ME over her dishonesty. So sorry past member, but you are on your own.

I HAVE BEEN TOLD THAT IF YOU HAVE BEEN SUSPENDED THAT YOU CANNOT PM. ADDITIONALLY, YOU COULD JUST BLOCK ANYONE YOU DON'T WANT TO HEAR FROM. SO THIS COMMENT IS A LIE. THIS MAKES CARRIE DISHONEST.
 

. (0)
Saturday May 23, 2015, 3:49 am
You're as crazy as the pink looney! Carrie is OBVIOUSLY referring to messages received BEFORE the suspension occurred! Talk about conspiracy theorists you people take the biscuit! HELLO! ANYONE AT HOME?!!!
 

Angelika R (143)
Saturday May 23, 2015, 4:49 am
Not quite Earl...
Then call me a liar too! And EVERYONE ELSE TRACKING! who also received ALL MESSAGES of comments left by "Past Member" in their PM inbox. These people here only proved they have zero clue how Care 2 works but are out to only take revenge by insulting their targeted victims and derailing the post, talking a whole lot of complete nonsense, aside from traits of paranoia.
 

Alexa R (319)
Saturday May 23, 2015, 5:22 am
You would know EXACTLY what Carrie refers to now, wouldn't you 'Earl' .. I quote:


Earl Turner (14)
Saturday May 23, 2015, 3:49 am
You're as crazy as the pink looney! Carrie is OBVIOUSLY referring to messages received BEFORE the suspension occurred! Talk about conspiracy theorists you people take the biscuit! HELLO! ANYONE AT HOME?!!! send green star | flag as inappropriate

--- you see, we're not a fake profile of hers, thus we ask her what she is referring to .. As it is not obvious what she is referring to ..

The double meaning hinging on her statement obscures the meaning and makes it sound like she was trying to insinuate through a deceptive double meaning the worst about Barbara ..
 

. (0)
Saturday May 23, 2015, 6:26 am
I give up. Seriously, you need help - psychiatric help. PLEASE, seek it out NOW before they have you in a straight jacket in a padded cell.
 

Gillian M (11)
Saturday May 23, 2015, 6:38 am
Angelika, really! You are assuming that someone has the time and inclination to bomabard you with messages, do flatter yourself.

As for your comment on paranoia, what are your qualifications to make such a diagnosis? The only paranoia I see here is from carrie and her "friends" dsperate to get off anybody who disagrees with her rabid Israelophobia and Judeophobia. It is not as if any of you really care about what happens to Palestinians, that has been proven repeatedly since I joined.
 

. (0)
Saturday May 23, 2015, 6:48 am
. . . and you DO? PLEASE. . .
 

Angelika R (143)
Saturday May 23, 2015, 8:16 am
I am not "assuming", that happens to be the case and the very purpose of tracking any thread! If Penny's inbox did NOT get all comments, including those from Past Member B.D., she obviously was NOT tracking.
Like I said, no clue..and a hopeless case.
 

fly bird (26)
Saturday May 23, 2015, 8:57 am
Again, it is not about Israel- Palestine.

Again - this is about ONE PROFILE PER PERSON ---
The hate and smears on threads pertain to other issues. Some people tracking threads, including 'past' members, have or have had, multiple profiles.

Trying to deflect to fog the issue is not changing a thing.

Trolls and personal attacks ontinue -- all the more reason, to sign the petition. Gladly, done.
 

Darren Woolsey (218)
Saturday May 23, 2015, 10:00 am
Totally agree with Jess and Carrie.
Have reshared the petition details on facebook and twittersphere.
 

Alexa R (319)
Saturday May 23, 2015, 12:16 pm
The more you try and ridicule me the more it's clear that I am speaking the truth about you 'Earl' ..


Earl Turner (14)
Saturday May 23, 2015, 6:26 am
I give up. Seriously, you need help - psychiatric help. PLEASE, seek it out NOW before they have you in a straight jacket in a padded cell. send green star | flag as inappropriate

 

Alexa R (319)
Saturday May 23, 2015, 12:25 pm
Are we all invited to your show, 'Earl'? Or are some of us banned?

Earl's Show
 

Alexa R (319)
Saturday May 23, 2015, 12:40 pm
By the way, thanks for the compliment 'Earl'. Here are some of my favourite quotes:

Be the kind of woman that when your feet hit the floor each morning, the devil says, 'oh crap, she's up. ' CS Lewis

When I'm an old lady, I want em saying Oh crap! Whats she up to. When I get old I don't want people thinking What a sweet little old lady. . . I want em saying Oh crap! Whats she up to ..

“Imperfection is beauty, madness is genius, and it’s better to be absolutely ridiculous than absolutely boring.” – Marilyn Monroe

“Life is not about waiting for the storms to pass. It’s about learning how to dance in the rain.”


 

. (0)
Saturday May 23, 2015, 12:45 pm
You know, after reading your ridiculous comments, it definitely must be true what they say - Jews certainly DO make the best comedians! and thanks for yet another leg-slapping rip-roaring guffaw!!! LOL!!!
 

Mary B (28)
Saturday May 23, 2015, 2:17 pm
Earl......and you and a few others are the height of rudeness......there was ALWAYS an agenda to this petition and it had NOTHING to do with multiple profiles.......I;m sure many signed it believing it to be honest and above board....I hope they can "read between the posts"........
 

. (0)
Saturday May 23, 2015, 2:52 pm
BELIEVE ME if I was going to be rude YOU WOULD KNOW ABOUT IT. . .
 

Mary B (28)
Saturday May 23, 2015, 3:07 pm
Earl.....don't worry.....The C2 membership HAS seen your rudeness........there are a few of you here and in other areas of C2 that act like you are above the COC ....Believe me it shows.....the good things you do on and for C2 and charities seem to lose something in how you treat other members......
 

. (0)
Saturday May 23, 2015, 3:16 pm
What shows in SOME of us more than others is their nauseating propensity to be a monumental PAIN IN THE ASS!
 

Mary B (28)
Saturday May 23, 2015, 3:35 pm
Well, "Earl", I'll just bet you know about that first hand.....you have shown it to C2 in spades
 

Carrie B (306)
Saturday May 23, 2015, 3:43 pm
As have you Mary B.
 

Mary B (28)
Saturday May 23, 2015, 4:03 pm
Fancy seeing you here, Carrie.......I didn't need to swear like some or call someone a name meant to be an ethic slur........you may not like my words or my style but I don't need to purposefully hurt other members.....YOU could have stopped all this about a 100 posts ago instead of it going where it has....as for multiple profiles, YOU know they exist but this one is about one member not many.
 

Carrie B (306)
Saturday May 23, 2015, 4:19 pm
Sorry Mary, but your attempt to use this petition as a vehicle to promote your personal agenda to promote the dishonesty of one of your friends ~ has fallen flat.
 

Mary B (28)
Saturday May 23, 2015, 4:29 pm
Carrie.....don't you know YET that this has absolutely NOTHING to do with someone being MY friend or not?........Have I asked C2 to reinstate that member? Have I not said I disagree with more than one profile ? I also know of instances where there HAVE been glitches in C2 and inquiries have not been answered. This was NOT the case here and I am now aware of that.....Why this one now, Carrie ? You AND the moderators KNOW this happens. Why this petition now?....There have been dozens of ethnic references on this thread so far. Why? It would be like me condemning RC because I am Anglican....is that what C2 is about on ANY side?
 

Carrie B (306)
Saturday May 23, 2015, 4:32 pm
Then STOP making it about anything other than the petition!
 

Mary B (28)
Saturday May 23, 2015, 4:39 pm
Carrie...open your eyes !!....I am not the only one thinking it !!!......you can call ME out and make sarcastic remarks to others but the fact is, this thread is FULL of ethnic references and they're not from ME.....YOU and a few others are making fun of it !!!....WHAT IS THAT ALL ABOUT ??.........regardless of whatever you think that member did or said to ANY of you, why are you responding in kind NOW ?
 

Carrie B (306)
Saturday May 23, 2015, 4:50 pm
Mary, if I had an agenda here ~ it was quite simply to prevent suspended Care2 members from coming back with another profile ~ thus the 'duplicate profile' petition. What part of this do you not understand? I have made no derogatory ethnic references. Get a grip on reality Mary B., and stop blaming others for your own shortcomings.
 

Mary B (28)
Saturday May 23, 2015, 5:01 pm
Carrie.....and what are MY shortcomings ??? That you can't push me around ? That I DO believe in FAIRNESS for ALL C2 members and not just a few?...That I have called you out on not shutting the ethnic slurs down as it IS YOUR petition.....Don't talk down to me, Carrie...you may contribute to having me "reprimanded" by C2, but in all fairness I DO hope the entire thread is being followed......It IS ME WITH NO AGENDA OTHER THAN what I have stated.
 

Carrie B (306)
Saturday May 23, 2015, 5:57 pm
I will repeat for those not understanding : " if I had an agenda here ~ it was quite simply to prevent suspended Care2 members from coming back with another profile ~ thus the 'duplicate profile' petition. What part of this do you not understand? I have made no derogatory ethnic references." Got it now?
 

Mary B (28)
Saturday May 23, 2015, 6:13 pm
Carrie....we have your sarcasm and your "talking down style " down pat.........you COULD have stopped this when I first posted asking WHY you felt is necessary to name names. (I wasn't in on some posts that had already been deleted and apparently sent by this named member).....It looked like you were singling out ONE member and you didn't mention the deleted posts until later in the thread.....by then the racist posts had begun.....take SOME responsibility for a change, Carrie........this isn't (or shouldn't be) about you OR me ..isn't it all about the good done for C2 and charities? BTW... I UNDERSTAND COMPLETELY !!!
 

Lynn Squance (235)
Saturday May 23, 2015, 6:42 pm
Will everybody stand back at least 50 paces, take multiple deep breaths, and then go be productive for good somewhere else! To quote Abraham Lincoln:
"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt."

 

Mary B (28)
Saturday May 23, 2015, 6:54 pm
Lynn..... as both Carrie and I are on your friends list it neutralizes the argument that I would be championing someone JUST because they appeared on MY friends list.....I have read your POV on this topic and I will repeat, it's NOT the topic of the petition I object to at all it is the undertones of the thread.....For my part in causing upset to SOME, I apologize...... this didn't need to happen.......Also, Lynn, I am VERY productive for ALL animals, both human AND otherwise.
 

. (0)
Saturday May 23, 2015, 7:06 pm
Some animals once they've got their teeth clamped on the bottom of your trouser-leg just won't be shook off no matter what until in the end the only way of dislodging them is to douse them with a bucket of cold water. . .
 

Mary B (28)
Saturday May 23, 2015, 7:17 pm
"Earl".... sounds like you treat animals the same way you treat some C2 members......they both usually don't respond well to your type of "treatment".......
 

. (0)
Saturday May 23, 2015, 7:47 pm
Some dogs like some people still wouldn't understand that they had crossed the threshold of human endurance after having a bucket of cold water thrown over them.
 

Carrie B (306)
Saturday May 23, 2015, 9:16 pm
"I will repeat for those not understanding : " if I had an agenda here ~ it was quite simply to prevent suspended Care2 members from coming back with another profile ~ thus the 'duplicate profile' petition. What part of this do you not understand? I have made no derogatory ethnic references." Got it now?"
 

Mary B (28)
Saturday May 23, 2015, 9:28 pm
Carrie... I see you and "Earl" are posting in tandem now.... Nasty likes company.......Are you telling this membership that you, a member since 2008, were NOT aware of all those posting with more than one profile? I haven't been here quite as long but I have come across dozens...... they are reported, some get "caught" and some are still doing it.....so after 7 years a member you just decided NOW to start a petition? Why THIS time ?
Talking down to me only makes you look petty. Got it now????
 

Darren Woolsey (218)
Saturday May 23, 2015, 11:22 pm
Once the egoistic alpha wired ape brain is engaged, difficult to NOT react, in the way one sees it above.
 

Past Member (0)
Saturday May 23, 2015, 11:36 pm
Seriously? This is still here.
Huh?
Ok.
 

Darren Woolsey (218)
Saturday May 23, 2015, 11:55 pm
Yep. Obviously with all sides convinced of the rightness of their cause.

One fact that is beyond doubt in my mind is this:
29,722,093 members: the world's largest community for good

This is an inflated figure and NOT representative of the active membership here. If you had 29 Million active members, this site wouldn't be able to cope and would crash constantly.

I'd argue, we don't even have 722.093 members with clean kosher ID's.

Someone, perhaps this Eric, or whoever else has the ability to check active and redundant profiles which haven't been used in over a few years, needs to start removing them.
 

Alexa R (319)
Saturday May 23, 2015, 11:56 pm
Mary B, I don't know you, but have come to like you and your bolshie bravery standing up to the bullies on this thread ..standing up for equality and fairness .. You against the 'multiple' profiles .. (As Carrie, 'Earl' would say after a comment - LOL)

It has once more become crystal clear to me Mary, that it's the bullies' way or the high way .. We dare to be different with different opinions and sadly it seems these bullies that are now trying to chuck us off their precious anti-Barb thread and the only way they seem to employ, their "bucket of cold water" Is nothing but insults, etc ..

I'm off now Mary, I've been tossed enough muddy insults now to last me a day or two, so it's the highway for me, but do take care here on your own in this cesspit of mud slinging .. always remember that their insults and talking down at you, even slinging mud at me naming my ethnicity, etc say much more about them than what it says about you or Barbara or anyone else getting their "bucket of cold water" aka lies and insults about ethnicity etc ..



 

Darren Woolsey (218)
Sunday May 24, 2015, 12:09 am
No kissing and making up yet then. . .

That reactive mechanism within each of us is quite a creature to observe, if one is not too identified with it.
 

Evelyn B (63)
Sunday May 24, 2015, 5:08 am
Just for the record - I KNOW that Carrie, Earl and Jess are 3 different people,

and Penny's efforts to hide her friend's use of multiple profiles to return behind such accusations (a strategy then picked up by Alexa) are designed to mislead ....

Use of multiple profiles - by anyone - should be (and I believe is) against the code of conduct..

Someone suggested that some people might be doing this in order to multiply the impact of their butterfly points, clicks to donate etc .... While I appreciate the good will behind this, it does seem to me to be a form of cheating, even stealing - because the sponsors pay for rewards on the principle of one person, one vote. Would you find it honest if someone found a way of getting two voting cards in order to strengthen the weight of their voice in elections? (Yes - that can happen ... it is called corruption, & is a crime in most if not all countries.)

The most common reason for creating multiple profiles is in order to continue to participate if/when one has been suspended or banned. Our friend David B (NB NOT the David B currently active, but the David B who used to use old engravings as his icons, who died last summer) used to do that. He had an abrasive style that often led to suspension .... And he was wrong to use the strategy. But while he was abrasive, he was not prone to personal insults .... although he could return them when he was insulted. Some members couldn't stand him, but many appreciated his sincerity & his caring. There's a long thread that attests to this ... on the post by Rose, who shared with us in December2014 the news of his death earlier in the year.

I feel very strongly that Care2 uses suspension to make a point (and banning, when suspension fails repeatedly to make that point). Being "clever" by creating additional profiles is a way of thumbing one's nose at the system.

Someone mentioned Jess' suspension last year ... this was checked out carefully, and it turned out that her posts were being flagged as "spam" ... often enough that the automatic system switched on the "suspension", but it turned out that the "spam" flags had been erroneous (accidentally? Or with intent? Who knows??). The suspension was therefore cancelled immediately, with apologies. Care2 admin are sincere in trying to ensure an even playing field for discussion here - not an easy job when topics are as sensitive as the Middle East situation, and racism of all forms. Hard for the small team to find the fine line between freedom of speech & abuse of it - but they do their best, & they are only human; they too can err.

So - WHY is it so difficult to agree on a principle of ONE PERSON - ONE PROFILE ?

I repeat: For the record ....
Carrie is Carrie - nobody else. Her husband is also a Care2 member.
Jess is Jess. No less, no more.
Sam is Sam - unmistakeable in his style
Earl is Earl T - a relatively new member of Care2 ... and definitely NOT Carrie!
I am Evelyn - and to correct a "record" claimed by some who are actively pro-Zionist & anti-Islam ... I am neither Egyptian nor Islamist. Despite what some would like other members to believe ....
 

Abo r (107)
Sunday May 24, 2015, 11:20 am
Noted and signed.
one profile is enough.
some changes their profile and change their address although they are the same ones with the same name, once thety are canadians andonce they are amricans so on and others just change their avator and have tha same words and thoughts.
 

Don H (45)
Monday May 25, 2015, 3:51 am
Signed and noted. Thank you, Carrie.

I have one identity and one profile. I am an actual person. You might also know me from Reddit and the Democratic Underground.
 

Sheila D (194)
Monday May 25, 2015, 12:18 pm
This thread's comments remind me of another post last year that ended up being trashed...the original petition was forgotten and the post was taken over by Trolls...

Do Not Feed the Trolls...
 

Angelika R (143)
Tuesday May 26, 2015, 6:36 am
Looks like we had another zombie visitor here on Tuesday, May 26, 2015, 5:36 AM- now deleted - but with a somehow familiar handwriting.. and a "miniprofile" without any account ID.
 

Carrie B (306)
Tuesday May 26, 2015, 12:58 pm
That zombie does get around, Angie.
 

Angelika R (143)
Tuesday May 26, 2015, 1:37 pm
Sure does, meowing her way through the relevant posts, mine too :)
 

Evelyn B (63)
Tuesday May 26, 2015, 2:42 pm
For someone who joined today "Bonnie Macleod" (whose name gets detached from her profile) has an impressive knowledge of the stars, butterflies & petitions system! Combines Scotland (Isle of Harris), the US & Israel as favourite places, has lived more than 10 years in a place with fracking but never observed any problems from this ... An interesting character .... Reminds me of someone ....

I wonder why her innocuous comment was deleted! "Ah, but which be which?" in reply to a comment about Trolls seems harmless ... although surprising for someone their first day on Care2!
 

Carrie B (306)
Tuesday May 26, 2015, 2:44 pm
She has too much time on her hands. I think she needs a job or worthwhile hobby.
 

Mary B (28)
Tuesday May 26, 2015, 3:02 pm
Kind of makes you wonder if all the sarcasm here is responsible for a petition with only 93 signatures out of a target of 1000......Speaking of "Too much time on her hands"
 

Evelyn B (63)
Wednesday May 27, 2015, 10:04 am
LOL, Ros!!
 

Mary B (28)
Wednesday May 27, 2015, 10:12 am
Ros G.... please do name who else you think should be chastised here......some of you are on a roll ...
 

Carrie B (306)
Wednesday May 27, 2015, 11:52 am
Mary B, one has to wonder why you are so interested in this thread, and feel the need to make so many comments which are argumentative. For someone who said naming names is wrong ~ why are you now asking for just that to be done?
 

Evelyn B (63)
Wednesday May 27, 2015, 11:57 am
Mary B - I don't think there's any need to name any specifics.

But I would like to thank Care2 admin, who seem to be very much on the ball identifying such cases at the moment. Thank you for cleaning out comments being made in several threads, comments which are not of themselves offensive but which suggest trollish behaviour.
 

Carrie B (306)
Wednesday May 27, 2015, 11:59 am
Agree Evelyn!
 

Mary B (28)
Wednesday May 27, 2015, 12:04 pm
Carrie.....because you are a few others made it your goal to go after one person and just continued on with you sarcasm and nit picking..... you got your way, you put forth a petition that basically went nowhere and you all sit around so very proud of yourselves......so you might as well name ALL names of those you think are "bad"....some of you I'm surprised to see playing this petty game.
 

Carrie B (306)
Wednesday May 27, 2015, 12:15 pm
Mary B, the only one game playing here is you ~ with your need to have 'the last word' ~ no matter how inane.
 

. (0)
Wednesday May 27, 2015, 12:19 pm
Don't hold your breath - wait for it. . .
 

Mary B (28)
Wednesday May 27, 2015, 12:27 pm
Earl.... Please DO hold your breath......BTW.....over 60 posts are from Carrie alone.....does she get a pass ??
 

. (0)
Wednesday May 27, 2015, 12:34 pm
Bingo.
 

Mary B (28)
Wednesday May 27, 2015, 12:34 pm
BTW Carrie.....I last posted Saturday before my post yesterday but you and a couple of others were still carrying on.....Now you can have the last word because now you are just looking petty. If you are sure the moderator is aware, then let him do his job. Do you feel the need to report every transgression YOU feel is happening on C2?
 

Carol R (11)
Wednesday May 27, 2015, 12:48 pm
The way I see it is that anyone..... at any time...... can just stop posting if they think petty games are being played and refuse to be a part of this thread, yes? Provoking and pointing fingers does not contibute anything either.



 

Carol R (11)
Wednesday May 27, 2015, 12:52 pm
Contribute....
 

Evelyn B (63)
Wednesday May 27, 2015, 1:46 pm
I would note that the person who posts an article has some responsibility for "monitoring" the discussion - therefore if Carrie has made 60 comments responding to some ... what, 150 comments by others? 200 comments by others? ... that is not excessive, especially as she generally addresses one person, or one specific point, per comment.

I'm less clear as to why someone else, entering the "discussion" about half way through & commenting more than 30 times thereafter, sees a need to count Carrie's comments ... and criticise her because she doesn't post & run away .... It seems rather strange. I suspect that there was an early exchange at cross purposes, resulting in someone feeling aggressed, & aggressing in her turn .... and that in turn has led to a running row that is sad & unfortunate (and not really over the subject of the thread.

I note that Mary B has said very clearly that she does not support people having multiple profiles ...
And that in fact is the important point in the context of the topic.

The rest is a growing spat - turning the issue into accusations of "personal attack" .... & personal responses to such attacks ... snowballing.
Carrie initially raised an issue of principle ... although the trigger was a specific current example, and naming occurred when there was a question requesting specifics.

I don't see much in the way of support for false profiles, multiple profiles .... Almost everyone has been either surprised at the idea (and against) or basically in disagreement with multiple profiles ... a couple of responses suggest that a member thinks it might be OK in order to mulitply impact (butterfly points, signatures on petitions) .... but nobody has taken a position of thinking that multiple profiles are a good idea, justified & should be encouraged!!

Peace, Salam, Shalom, Pax, Paix etc .....
 

Evelyn B (63)
Wednesday May 27, 2015, 1:47 pm
(Correction - apparently 336 comments so far! so 270 + by others! )
 

federico bortoletto (44)
Thursday May 28, 2015, 9:33 am
N & S
 

Past Member (0)
Sunday June 14, 2015, 7:21 pm
I posted a comment on a news item, and my comment was sent to MANY people.
Four of them had the name of 'Past Member" but there were different profile pictures for them.
To me, that is strange, and WRONG.
 

Alison A (244)
Thursday June 18, 2015, 12:13 pm
Signed and noted, thanks Carrie.
 

Valerie A (1)
Friday July 24, 2015, 6:04 am
signed
 

Evelyn B (63)
Saturday July 25, 2015, 1:27 am
Poor Care2 admin .... one person alone is inventing 2-3 new profiles a day (different names, different ages, even changing sex sometimes now!!) And Care2 is having to clean up after her!

While her friends may view this as the height of honesty (???!) I have to question the measure of honesty of those supporting such obsessive fakery.

ONE person = ONE profile (even if opting to change icon & name ... but on the original profile, not new profiles ...)
Care2 sponsors trust Care2 to report accurately on their membership - the fact that one person alone accounts for more than 100 new members over the last 2 months could cause difficulties for Care2 ....

And cleaning up after such fakery is a waste of Care2's human resources.
 

Darren Woolsey (218)
Saturday July 25, 2015, 2:18 am
Agree with you Evelyn.
 

Carrie B (306)
Saturday July 25, 2015, 11:50 am
I think it's time to resurrect this thread and petition.
 

Darren Woolsey (218)
Saturday July 25, 2015, 11:51 am
One person alone has created enough user profiles to create her own Database. . .
 

Carol R (11)
Saturday July 25, 2015, 12:22 pm
I think that's an excellent idea Carrie. Perhaps now that everyone has "experienced" how abusing Care2 rules can be so , well, abusing, they'll come up with a way to block false profiles permanently until said abuser is reinstated..... or not.
 

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Saturday July 25, 2015, 2:13 pm

Evelyn - you're right on every aspect; especially the second last of your points re membership numbers should really be a concern for Care2 management. I'm sure there's a way (software wise) to block such continuous offenders for good.

As for the clean-up which is truly a waste of manpower - I must give it to Care2: they do a very efficient job! Kudos!!! It's always kind of ... now you see it - now you don't - LOL!
 

Carrie B (306)
Tuesday July 28, 2015, 12:00 pm
I should think email addresses could be blocked. Of course, I'm sure she has more than one, but eventually creating new email accounts might become problematic.
 

Darren Woolsey (218)
Tuesday July 28, 2015, 12:36 pm
Interesting. . . . I got a notification of a reply you'd put in this thread, Carrie.
And my reply with more detail, has also been removed.

 

Carrie B (306)
Thursday July 30, 2015, 12:43 am
I will not sign the Avaaz petition!
 

Nancy M (147)
Friday July 31, 2015, 6:43 am
wow
 

Darren Woolsey (218)
Friday July 31, 2015, 8:04 am
Another few posts of mine deleted, presumably by someone who is in my friend's contact list, OR someone who has bookmarked this new thread.
 

Nancy M (147)
Friday July 31, 2015, 8:24 am
I am getting them in my messages as I am tracking the thread. So I KNOW they are deleted.
 

wendy k (165)
Friday July 31, 2015, 9:06 am
Had to laugh when I looked at who noted this, and I saw more than one member , who was complicit re- the latter person,- people are discussing ,who was deleted from care 2 for making vile racist comments to another care 2 member, same abuser went onto fake it's own death, causing so much upset !!!!!
So to see those complicit,- to all the "fake profiles " the racist created, - to then note this story for one profile per person, ha ha ha ha , some brazen bold faced "neck" = /cheek some people have, !!!!
wonder who they are? have a look at "Fake Book" - Dianne Lynn Elko, - you will see them there nice and friendly in the racists groups, along with good old Patricia Raven, . the groups have the same names as care 2 groups they coveted !!! be prepared for a few surprises folks .
 

wendy k (165)
Friday July 31, 2015, 9:08 am
Oh and then check your friends list, know who you are "friending"
 

Evelyn B (63)
Friday July 31, 2015, 10:58 am
Wendy -
Maybe the person who noted learnt the hard way that those who claim that they are being "honest" while generating false profiles in order to bypass Care2 rules are actually people with real problems ....

Exactly the kind of behaviour that the petition calls for effective prevention of ....

Because the petition is against the behaviour, not against a single individual ... even if there does happen to be a prime example active at present.
 

Carrie B (306)
Friday July 31, 2015, 11:03 am
I won't sign the avaaz petition because I don't know who wrote it. Petition authors should not hide their identity.
 

Darren Woolsey (218)
Friday July 31, 2015, 11:10 am
Indeed.

Anyone care to own up to:

Created by
Concerned C. United States of America
 

Nancy M (147)
Friday July 31, 2015, 11:13 am
I think I do remember when that Avaaz petion was first around. I didn't sing either.
 

Evelyn B (63)
Friday July 31, 2015, 11:23 am
That Avaaz petition is strange - according to timing, seems to fit with a former member who appears to have manipulate many ... even faking her own death to mobilise eulogies, with a false "son" keeping things stirred ...

I wouldn't sign a petition by an anonymous promoter - just as I won't sign petitions that have meaningless targets (or unrealistic targets) or demand unrealistic actions ....
 

Carrie B (306)
Friday July 31, 2015, 11:55 am
Evelyn, I don't think it was written by the person you are thinking of. The avaaz petition was written long before that, and the timing coincided with someone else who had been suspended and appeared to be trying to start a 'rebellion' of sorts. This is just my opinion.
 

Nancy M (147)
Friday July 31, 2015, 11:57 am
Yes Carrie- that is my memory.
 

Evelyn B (63)
Friday July 31, 2015, 12:20 pm
I don't actually think it matters who posted that Avaaz petition - it is still the same manipulative behaviour that is common to most who need to keep creating new "faces", disguising themselves ... while considering themselves "honest", justified, hard-done-by. (I don't think David Buchan fell quite in the same category - but then, he didn't get obsessed, he was just thumbing his nose overtly, and not hiding that he was David ... just adjusting "B." ... and using icons that were almost identical. )
 

Carrie B (306)
Friday July 31, 2015, 12:45 pm
I agree Evelyn. It's the reluctance to tell us who you really are that is disturbing.
 

Nancy M (147)
Friday July 31, 2015, 1:28 pm
I agree with Evelyn as well.

I think the important point is that there has been more than one. I can think of a few others who had been involved in cyberstalking as well.
 

Darren Woolsey (218)
Sunday August 30, 2015, 2:36 am
You'll have noticed two more things by now:

1. News article are shortened to about 5 pages, then stop.
2. The filter button on everyone's articles with the option of searching on News Submitted has vanished, making it harder to find anyone's individual news.

Since I've been denied access to the Suggestions group, can someone flag with us with CARE2 Admin?
 

Evelyn B (63)
Sunday August 30, 2015, 5:18 am
Not sure what you mean on point 1, Darren
But have noticed the 2cnd, & started a thread in the discussion group F&S
 

Angelika R (143)
Sunday August 30, 2015, 7:49 am
Neither do I understand Darren. Actually had to guess what he means by 2. as well, the option "News XYZ submitted" etc.
But that's no big problem as you can simply type that in your browser, (or C2 search) google shows you a selection, pick the 1st or any, then either bookmark the site or return there via the very same steps.
Only now you spare the google search step(or the C2 search engine) and will get a dropdown in your browser immeditely showing you the person's C2 submission site.
Actually thats the way I personally always go to selected friends' newspages on a more or less regular basis, though not necessarily daily.
If you don't delete your browser history, all it takes to type is the word "news " + first letter of the respective name, and you get the whole list in the dropdown. The fastest way I found to go to anyone's page, faster than the bookmarks folder!
 

Past Member (0)
Sunday August 30, 2015, 8:09 am
noted & signed; Thank you Carrie!

 

Past Member (0)
Sunday August 30, 2015, 8:19 am
I am happy to be even become aware of this petition today and that I could sign it - better late than not. If the number and the content of the comments not attract attention at the C2-administrators, they are already beyond help! Moreover, I am firmly convinced that C2 his problems will not fix. C2 is predominantly located in mind for hours on the Platform to deal with its members and to keep but not to provide them with the comfort of a good operation. Otherwise, they would behave differently and care more about the problems there are!
 

Carrie B (306)
Sunday August 30, 2015, 10:30 am
Care2 is aware, Darren. The news submitted and numbers have been removed as a 'remedy' to all the posting problems we have had for so many years. I, as well as others, have asked where we will be able to access the removed information. So far the answer has been silence.
 

Angelika R (143)
Sunday August 30, 2015, 10:57 am
;), well thx Carrie. But I have doubts that would "remedy" all the chronical issues. Even if it does, what a technically poor way to troubleshoot! Perhaps try my suggestion.

What Darren means with 1. is most likely the news on the front page. There are only the top 5 listed were before we had more. The rest is only accessible via the e.g. 'more us politics & gov't: popular | new' links.
Perhaps in favor of a larger font for better visibility..
 

Carrie B (306)
Sunday August 30, 2015, 11:07 am
Angie, I really wish Darren was on F&S to make some of the suggestions that seem so logical. I am at a complete loss as to why he has been denied membership. It would appear that Frank G. has the ear of Care2 support, so perhaps someone can approach him with suggestions. I'm on the outside looking in. If my posts are not removed ~ they are totally ignored ~ so I am of no help to anyone. Sorry, folks. :-(
 

Darren Woolsey (218)
Sunday August 30, 2015, 11:26 am
Just a little note. . . I wasn't given a reason for being denied membership to the Suggestions group.

If you all want to message CARE2, Eric, Frank, whoever and appeal on my behalf, go ahead.
 

Angelika R (143)
Sunday August 30, 2015, 11:40 am
How does he know for sure he was denied membership? Perhaps he is simply on the "waiting list for approval", i.e. that frog image with that message, of which Eric claimed long ago he wasn't even aware that existed! (When I used to get it for over 3 weeks then and only managed to enter eventually via Kit's help!)
I'm of no help either, have practically given up on F&S and any attempts to address tech issues, the ton I'm having myself.
 

Carrie B (306)
Sunday August 30, 2015, 11:42 am
I appealed on Darren's behalf long ago, but that too was ignored. As I said ~ I'm on the outside looking in ~ as far as F&S is concerned. My appeal was in a PM ~ not in the group ~ because I didn't want to start an argument.
 

Angelika R (143)
Sunday August 30, 2015, 11:50 am
To expect a reason I'd call rather naive-lol, -if people don't even get any for a suspension! Come on, Darren! ;)
 

Darren Woolsey (218)
Sunday August 30, 2015, 1:09 pm
Angelika, is this official enough for you?

Hi Darren -

Your application to the Care2 Feedback and Suggestions on Care2
was not approved.

Group Home:
http://www.care2.com/c2c/group/feedback

Thank you,
The Care2 Feedback and Suggestions group hosts
 

Angelika R (143)
Sunday August 30, 2015, 1:42 pm
OMG -it certainly is Darren! And SHOCKING and OUTRAGEOUS! "At will policy"... (unless in error, glitch)
 

. (0)
Monday September 14, 2015, 12:12 pm
Nobody gets a reason these days and some members here should be gone while good ones are punished. Why is that ????
 

Carrie B (306)
Monday September 14, 2015, 2:40 pm
Most people get numerous warnings about bad behavior before they are 'punished'. I assume you mean suspended.
 

. (0)
Monday September 14, 2015, 8:15 pm
The "Code" has never been applied equally for the same offence. You only need to look back in these postings to see who is given a 'wide berth". No, you are wrong about the warnings I'm afraid and the link to ask why seems to be only given to a "few".
 

Evelyn B (63)
Tuesday September 15, 2015, 4:53 am
As the "hottest" issue, most polarising and often leading to insults etc tends to be around the Middle East/ Palestine-Israel/ Islam, I have to admit that Care2 seems to be doing their best to be even handed ....

Because I've seen suspensions on both "sides" ..... and it sometimes seems unjustified from my perspective. But there's a grey zone in comments that sometimes (especially in the heat of the moment) one strays into ... And from the "other side" the comment could be perceived as unacceptable. Since this happens on both sides - I suspect Care2 is being more "fair" than I am!! And if I appreciate application of the rules in cases of those who have a very different perspective from my own .... well, I must accept the same application if I or my friends stray out of line.

So, "Past Member" - perhaps you are judging Care2's application of the rules ONLY from your perspective, and not noticing where Care2 has acted also in cases of members who are not among your friends?

And creating false profiles to avoid paying the price of overstepping the lines is not "fair play", nor is it honest.
Especially if one does so routinely, wasting Care2 admin's time as they try to prevent such abuse.

I can't speak from experience about the warnings - but from what I've heard from people suspended, the "warnings" don't seem always to reach the member .... Certainly, in 2 cases I heard that there had been NO warning & no explanation. In one of these, concerning someone I know well enough to be 100% sure that when she said she'd had no warning, she had had no warning, it turned out to have been an error - quickly corrected by Care2. In the second case, I didn't know the member well enough, but he appeared genuinely bewildered by his suspension for which he said .he'd had no warning.

I wish there were some place where one could verify warning/ suspension status (one's own, & for friends) - because when a friend vanishes, we don't know why, unless we also have a direct contact off Care2.

I also have no idea how long a "suspension" lasts (under normal circumstances - when the suspended person doesn't seek to bypass their suspension by creating false profiles etc but recognises & respects the rules, so doesn't earn prolongation of the suspension sentence).
 

Artur B (125)
Thursday September 17, 2015, 11:56 pm
Tja Carie das heißt ich habe es erledigt <