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US Politics & Gov't  (tags: Senate torture Report, Fox News, Andrea Tantaros )

Judy
- 1624 days ago - talkingpointsmemo.com
After the Senate Intelligence Committee released a report on the torture techniques used by the CIA, the hosts of Fox News' "Outnumbered" lashed out at Senate Democrats' for publicizing CIA interrogation methods.



   

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JL A (281)
Tuesday December 9, 2014, 5:35 pm
And even John McCain decried that we ever stooped so low--thus it tells us how low Fox is willing to stoop...thanks Judy
 

Judy C (91)
Tuesday December 9, 2014, 6:10 pm
This is even more asinine than I expected from Fox. Thanks J.L.
 

Slava R (1311)
Tuesday December 9, 2014, 7:04 pm
I got a headache from listening to this. Why does having a publicly aired debate suddenly mean the country is going to improve? There's no such thing as an American dream. It's a farce. That's all we're ever good at anymore is making large holes on other people's land. Can't give decent health care to our seniors or veterans. Can't solve the homelesness, unemployment and poverty crisis, but we can bomb the hell out of your country alright.
 

Jordan G (37)
Tuesday December 9, 2014, 7:13 pm
Hilarious. Reminds me of their exploding balloon heads when Obama was elected.
Best entertainment around.
 

Arielle S (313)
Tuesday December 9, 2014, 7:28 pm
All I can think of are four letter words ...like dumb twit... And a few others
 

Bryan S (105)
Tuesday December 9, 2014, 8:22 pm
No, Fox doesn't disappoint in the asinine department. So.. it' not the fact that the US committed illegal acts of torture (even if some advisor said otherwise), violating it's own laws, causing suffering and death that produced no viable results and caused many more people in the Muslim world to hate us, no it's not that, the real problem as described by Fox is that Obama doesn't like this awesome country and he's going around making everyone else not like us!!
 

Jonathan H (0)
Wednesday December 10, 2014, 12:33 am
Hmmmmmmmmmm
 

Louise D (44)
Wednesday December 10, 2014, 5:25 am
Fox yet again demonstrating they can plumb the depths, whilst they decry the whole report as politically moptivated ... so what was Benghazi then? They really should stop calling the pot black when they really don't have a leg to stand on. This is about morality, Bush plowed America into two wars that just dragged on and cost trillions and killed tens of thousands of innocent people as a result of an act of mass murder, not war. Fox doesn't hire their commentators for brians or sanity is pretty well known and as for torture in 1945 the US government was actively executing people who committed acts of torture instead of making it an active intelligence tool. Still, George W Bush was never known for his intelligence, he was a dry drunk failed businessman with Father Issues who became President on the most iffy circumstances and he true to form he failed in basic human decency when he was President. Still, it is obvious when he had for Vice President Dick Cheney a man whose name is more an observation of his character.
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday December 10, 2014, 6:39 am
Many have also stepped out and agree with her. This has to be the most incompetent administration in the history of our country.

John McCain was tortured by the Vietnamese for years which is very different from the "information gathering process" our country uses. Google it.

"Fox doesn't hire their commentators for brains...." yadda yadda ~ None of these comments can be supported by fact. I understand why Fox News is hated by the left for telling the truth but to discredit them personally without having any proof is ludicrous. Fox News has maintained the highest viewer rating over all cable news shows for over 10 years. I believe that speaks highly for Fox News. Meanwhile, MSM news channels have the lowest ratings of all news channels.

George W. Bush has a higher popularity rating today than Barack Obama.
 

Lady S (446)
Wednesday December 10, 2014, 9:21 am
Diane seems to believe that if a lot of people agree with you, that means you are right. So I guess way back when Gallieo found out that the Earth orbits the Sun and not the other way around, he was wrong.

McDonald's sells billions of burgers, it must be the best food on the planet.

Fox is available on any cable package, whereas you have to pay extra to get channels like Free Speech Tv.

Fox is blared everywhere. Clearly it's ratings are impressive.

Fox has a few million viewers out of a country of 300 million plus. Very impressive. Cable news is dying. How to put this correctly, many of it's viewers (as are all cable news viewers) tend to be elderly. So their popularity is only going to last so long. Actually, that's true of all cable news programs. I"d be amazed if there are any left in say 10-15 years.

LOL Bush has a higher popularity rating because Americans always give a president an approval rating after someone leaves office. We forget about all the bad stuff. Our country has a very short attention span, that's NOT something to be proud of. He didn't actually do anything to earn the boost other than to keep a low profile. Obama will also see a boost after he leaves office, just like every other president.
 

Jason R (67)
Wednesday December 10, 2014, 10:49 am
Timing? This wasn't timed. Legal? Republicans throw out our entire history for Nazism. It was and IS illegal according to the Geneva convention. Now ISIS is doing to to our people to get back at us. That's one reason torture is so wrong, no matter what.
Intel? The CIA KNEW 911 was going to happen and the 3rd antichrist let it. See Susan Lindaur (CIA) video.

Fox is such a propaganda outlet for the Nazi's that you can rarely find threads of truth in their report….propaganda. People that believe them are definitely part of this Nazi problem.
Republicans ARE the people's enemies.
 

Jason R (67)
Wednesday December 10, 2014, 10:55 am
We absolutely HAVE the right to know! It's in the Constitution!
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday December 10, 2014, 11:01 am
I believe the election last month is a picture example of how to drive home the truth. Fox has been reporting on the truth...the good, the bad and the ugly as it relates to our corrupt administration, the ongoing lies such as "If you want to keep you healthcare plan you can, if you want to keep your doctor you can" for openers.

I never underestimate the power of the American people to correct what they feel is wrong in Washington DC. With Obama in office less than two years, the American people voted in November 2010 and brought a republican controlled House to Obama. Their mission: to stop him any way they could

There is no Nazi problem. It doesn't exist. What does exist is our Constitution. No amount of propaganda can discount our Constitution. Americans, true patriots, will defend our Constitution with their vote.

And, no, the Republicans are not the people's enemies. The American people voted last month and sent the Democrats a big message. It's real. It happened. That's what an overwhelming majority can do...and did. They simply did not trust Obama and did not agree with his policies.

 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday December 10, 2014, 11:06 am
typo: "perfect example of how to drive home..."
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday December 10, 2014, 11:48 am
Noted
 

Lady S (446)
Wednesday December 10, 2014, 12:29 pm
Lol the American people voted, yeah.. a whooping 36%. I can't wait to see your reaction after the 2016 elections.
 

William Moorman (22)
Wednesday December 10, 2014, 12:34 pm
And don't forget Obama can't prove he is an American! LOL
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday December 10, 2014, 12:52 pm
The American people, once again, will let us know who they trust the most to lead our country. They have just told us that they do not like Obama's vision for our country and they do not trust him. I'm sure they will vote for the person they feel will do the best job to uphold our Constitution.
 

Birgit W (160)
Wednesday December 10, 2014, 12:53 pm
What has happened to the USA?
 

Lone F (58)
Wednesday December 10, 2014, 1:21 pm
Noted - Thank you Judy. Obviously politics can get everyone in an uproar - and this situation can be debated back and forth to Hell freezes over without knowing why!!!!
 

Wayne W (12)
Wednesday December 10, 2014, 1:21 pm
"This has to be the most incompetent administration in the history of our country."

Diane, here's a letter from Canada addressed directly to you:

You Americans Have No Idea Just How Good You Have It With Obama

Many of us Canadians are confused by the U.S. midterm elections. Consider, right now in America, corporate profits are at record highs, the country's adding 200,000 jobs per month, unemployment is below 6%, U.S. gross national product growth is the best of the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD) countries. The dollar is at its strongest levels in years, the stock market is near record highs, gasoline prices are falling, there's no inflation, interest rates are the lowest in 30 years, U.S. oil imports are declining, U.S. oil production is rapidly increasing, the deficit is rapidly declining, and the wealthy are still making astonishing amounts of money.

America is leading the world once again and respected internationally — in sharp contrast to the Bush years. Obama brought soldiers home from Iraq and killed Osama bin Laden.

So, Americans vote for the party that got you into the mess that Obama just dug you out of? This defies reason.

When you are done with Obama, could you send him our way?

Richard Brunt

Victoria, British Columbia
 

Wayne W (12)
Wednesday December 10, 2014, 1:41 pm
In a way, I can't understand what all the furor is about. Is there
anything in the report that we didn't already know? For instance,
here's an April, 2009 NY Times report on the torture of Abu Zubaydah and
Khalid Shaikh Mohammed.

Waterboarding Used 266 Times on 2 Suspects
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/20/world/20detain.html?_r=0

"The release of the numbers is likely to become part of the debate about
the morality and efficacy of interrogation methods that the
Justice Department under the Bush administration declared legal
even though the United States had historically treated them as
torture."

In the interests of national justice and unity, my preference is that
George Bush and Dick Cheney, at least, be charged with war crimes and then
immediately pardoned by President Obama. That way, the brutality
of the Bush Administration will be on the historical record.

President Obama has consistently opposed inquiries into Bush-era torture.
 

Lady S (446)
Wednesday December 10, 2014, 1:54 pm
Yeah the American people don't trust Obama, which is why he was reelected. Which had higher turnouts again? Presidential or midterms? So you win when less people show up.
 

Gloria H (88)
Wednesday December 10, 2014, 1:59 pm
Diane O is back again............the Faux News Avenger...took her/him a while to resurface, since phone booths to change in are getting harder to find. in real life she is a 11 year old.
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday December 10, 2014, 2:22 pm
Romney lost in 2012 due to low voter turnout. It happens. In this particular situation, the mid terms, those who did vote delivered a tsunami message. The same thing happened in the 2010 mid term elections.

I watch the polls to get my information. The polls can vary but generally they are within a few points of each other. Below is an article from a left wing website The Washington Post.

"Heading into the final weeks of the midterm campaign, the political landscape continues to tilt in favor of the Republican Party, with President Obama’s overall approval rating at the lowest level of his presidency and GOP voters signaling greater likelihood than Democrats that they will cast ballots, according to a new Washington Post-ABC News poll.

Americans are looking to November and beyond with dissatisfaction about the state of the country and the political leadership in Washington. Two-thirds say the country is seriously off-track. And while more than 6 in 10 say the president lacks a clear plan for governing, a slightly higher percentage says the same of Republicans in Congress.

Public impressions of the two political parties are similarly gloomy. “Favorable” ratings for the Democratic Party (39 percent) are at a 30-year low, and for the first time a majority (51 percent) gives the Democrats an “unfavorable” rating. The Republicans are rated even lower, with a 33 percent “favorable” mark. That is little changed since last year’s government shutdown, although the party’s “unfavorable” rating has improved.

Most worrisome for Democrats is that their candidates will be weighed down by unhappiness with the president. Obama’s overall approval rating stands at 40 percent, the lowest recorded in a Post-ABC News poll during his six years in office, though it is only a point lower than last month. Among independents, his rating is 33 percent.

The president’s economic approval rating is better, at 44 percent, and has been moving up over the past year, coinciding with better economic news and a decline in the unemployment rate. Disapproval of his handling of the economy is at 51 percent, the best it has been since September of last year.

But public support for his handling of the threats posed by Islamic State extremists has tumbled dramatically in just the past few weeks, falling from 50 percent approval at the end of September to just 35 percent today. Three weeks ago, his rating on dealing with the Islamic State was a net positive by six points. Today it is net negative by 16 points.

On other measures, the president is at or near low points, whether international affairs, terrorism or implementation of the Affordable Care Act.

His worst rating comes on his handling of immigration, with just 29 percent saying they approve of how he has handled the issue, down nine points since June. Obama has said he will use his executive powers to make changes, including giving some kind of legal status to millions of undocumented immigrants — but not until after the elections, a decision that satisfied neither side"

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/poll-shows-obama-approval-low-gop-enthusiasm-higher-than-democrats/2014/10/14/d9e7e4d6-53d5-11e4-ba4b-f6333e2c0453_story.html
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Lois J (63)
Wednesday December 10, 2014, 3:00 pm
Noted. Thanks, Judy. So sorry to read that trolls are trying to divert the conversation once again. Fux Noise is a bunch of buffoons. ".....Fox News...lashed out at Senate Democrats for publicizing CIA interrogation methods." They changed the entire conversation by not even discussing torture. Sen. Feinstein read on the Senate floor many detailed methods of torture used on human beings. It was obviously against U.S. as well as international law. You can't minimize this and call it a "mistake." And, to divert the entire subject is just what Republicans are all about.....
 

Bryan S (105)
Wednesday December 10, 2014, 3:17 pm
Speaking of the Constitution, it states that treaties the US signs shall be the "supreme law of the land," and since the US signed the UN Convention Against Torture, the Bush admin actions are a violation of the Constitution. Not that knowing the laws or treaties or sections of the Constitution is what should make any human being sickened by the practice of torture.

Obama is in fact wrong for refusing to prosecuting those in the Bush admin guilty of torture. His argument to leave these crimes in the past is ridiculous. The government most certainly would not have this attitude if it was another nation that committed such heinous crimes. The Fox argument is so wrong morally and legally it's hard to know where to begin. I guess at least the host was honest when she said she didn't want transparency from the CIA. Being "awesome" is not exactly an argument against cruel immoral actions that violate the law.
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday December 10, 2014, 3:53 pm
The comment that introduced Fox News has been removed. I was responding to that comment.

Dick Cheney got it right: "We did what needed to be done to keep America safe." In contrast, Obama uses drones which kill innocent people and it prevents the capturing of key terrorists who can be interrogated to give us valuable information to take out the cell. As it stands now, the terrorist situation has multiplied with IS and it is now like a free for all with multiple beheadings. If we kill them with drones we cannot get information to go after the leaders and break up this terrorist ring.

I completely understand why some do not believe in enhanced interrogation. These things are difficult to process but our world is on fire with heightened terrorism plus the massive recruiting of young people around the world to join IS. It is just a matter of time before America gets a big hit. We need to prevent that from happening.

We have had 13 years of not having a second attack on America. We need stronger leadership to take the terrorists down. What we are doing now is like spitting into the ocean because we've captured no one.
 

Sharon H (282)
Wednesday December 10, 2014, 3:57 pm
Well Diane...here's a small excerpt from the type of "information gathering process" that was used. Tell me if you think it's OK.
" At least five detainees were subjected to “rectal feeding” or “rectal hydration,” without any documented medical need. “While IV infusion is safe and effective,” one officer wrote, rectal hydration could be used as a form of behavior control." That's in addition to the waterboarding and many other forms of TORTURE.
The report is here..http://www.feinstein.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/press-releases?ID=dce63826-5f14-4975-9617-a4e6bd7527cb
You still don't think it's torture? Tell you what...you subject yourself to all of it and if after, you think it's not torture, then we'll all believe you......deal?
 

Mitchell D (82)
Wednesday December 10, 2014, 4:00 pm
I will not torture myself to watch any Foxhole go on about virtually anything, all they are doing is kissing up to Roger Ailles! And he is so low that his bottom looks like up!
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday December 10, 2014, 4:03 pm
I stand corrected. The post that brought Fox News into the discussion is still up there.
 

Bryan S (105)
Wednesday December 10, 2014, 4:22 pm
Diane, torture has not kept anyone safe, and it has long been known by intelligence experts that it is not effective. Regardless of what anyone choses to believe, it is against our laws.

And the reason why "the terrorist situation has multiplied" is due to the huge amount of chaos and violence caused by the Bush admin, including in large part the torture that was carried out. Saying that we need to tortue more to stop terrorist is one of the most ridiculous and vile things i've heard. Obama's escalation of the use of drones, which have killed many innocent people, certainly does not help and is also very wrong. Anyway, it is beyond sad that anyone would defend torture for any reason and certainly when it is defended due to some complete partisan nonsense.
 

Bryan S (105)
Wednesday December 10, 2014, 4:28 pm
• According to the Washington Post, the CIA’s top spy – Michael Sulick, head of the CIA’s National Clandestine Service – said that the spy agency has seen no fall-off in intelligence since waterboarding was banned by the Obama administration. “I don’t think we’ve suffered at all from an intelligence standpoint.”

• The CIA’s own Inspector General wrote that waterboarding was not “efficacious” in producing information.

• A 30-year veteran of CIA’s operations directorate who rose to the most senior managerial ranks (Milton Bearden) says (as quoted by senior CIA agent and Presidential briefer Ray McGovern):

It is irresponsible for any administration not to tell a credible story that would convince critics at home and abroad that this torture has served some useful purpose.
This is not just because the old hands overwhelmingly believe that torture doesn’t work — it doesn’t — but also because they know that torture creates more terrorists and fosters more acts of terror than it could possibly neutralize.

• A former high-level CIA officer (Philip Giraldi) states:

Many governments that have routinely tortured to obtain information have abandoned the practice when they discovered that other approaches actually worked better for extracting information. Israel prohibited torturing Palestinian terrorist suspects in 1999. Even the German Gestapo stopped torturing French resistance captives when it determined that treating prisoners well actually produced more and better intelligence.

• Another former high-level CIA official (Bob Baer) says:

And torture — I just don’t think it really works … you don’t get the truth. What happens when you torture people is, they figure out what you want to hear and they tell you.

• Michael Scheuer, formerly a senior CIA official in the Counter-Terrorism Center, says:

“I personally think that any information gotten through extreme methods of torture would probably be pretty useless because it would be someone telling you what you wanted to hear.”

• A retired C.I.A. officer who oversaw the interrogation of a high-level detainee in 2002 (Glenn L. Carle) says:

[Coercive techniques] didn’t provide useful, meaningful, trustworthy information…Everyone was deeply concerned and most felt it was un-American and did not work.”


http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2011/05/interrogation-experts-from-every-branch-of-the-military-and-intelligence-agree-torture-doesnt-produce-useful-information/
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday December 10, 2014, 4:31 pm
Hi Bryan. The 9/11 slaughter of 3,000 innocent American lives and now the emerging threat of ISIS that resorts to beheading Americans and others and threatens AND has the means to attack Americans in the United States should cause one to not be so "certain" about American means to counter threats to the homeland in such a moralistic "certain" way.
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday December 10, 2014, 4:40 pm
Thanks for taking the time to share information you feel is relevant to make your point. However, we will have to agree to disagree on this subject. I will add that it is a pleasure to exchange comments with someone who doesn't feel a need to be in attack mode. When people attack others for their personal views they simply hand over their power to influence. We are here to share our opinions. I enjoy reading how other people feel on sensitive topics like this one. This is definitely an intense subject. Even Washington DC can't agree!

Perhaps we can agree on another topic at a later date.
 

Lady S (446)
Wednesday December 10, 2014, 5:32 pm
We have disgraced ourselves with torture. We didn't gain anything by it. George Washington knew it was important to treat prisoners well, so that our prisoners would be less likely to be subjected to torture. I"m taking George Washington's opinion over Dick Cheney's any day.

We were attacked on 9/11. Thousands of people died. But what do you think torture is going to lead to? It is only going to create MORE terrorists. For every person we tortured, that person has friends, that person has families. If someone used a rectal feeding tube on your family member, would you feel more or less inclined to despise that person (or in this case country.)

We abandoned our values based on fear. That is pathetic. It is disgraceful.
 

Bryan S (105)
Wednesday December 10, 2014, 5:33 pm
Diane, yes there are threats that need to be countered. Everyone understands that. This however is no justification for torture, which in fact only motivates more people to join radical violent organizations as a means for revenge. Not to mention takes away any moral high ground from the country practicing it. You simply cannot use the fact that something needs to be done as a way to justify anything. Again, it is a violation of law regardless of anyone's opinion.

The information i posted is not simply something i feel is relevant, it comes from many high-level officials in the intelligence and/or military community. But i see you're likely to continue to rely on Fox News pundits for information.
 

Gary L (138)
Wednesday December 10, 2014, 5:51 pm
Diane O could you share whatever it is you are smoking cause you are in Lala Land fox new tells the truth LOL fake snooze is banned in Canada from reporting their bs because at least Canada has a truth in reporting law unlike this country were it was repealed by he republinazi
 

Sheryl G (359)
Thursday December 11, 2014, 6:04 am
Each time the United States has meddled in a turbulent region, it seems to have made the situation a bit worse (and sometimes a lot worse) than it was before. We learned NOTHING from Vietnam. We have created more tears for our own families that bury another generation of sons and daughters. We have caused for millions of innocent civilians, in other Countries to be left homeless and shedding tears for their loved ones. We leave all sorts of terrible destruction behind. From Agent Orange in Vietnam and Depleted Uranium in Iraq causing birth defects still as I write this. Now we've added in torture.

Maybe 3,000 wouldn't be dead if we minded our own business and didn't create so many enemies. That this women is so clueless and drank so much of the kool aid is pititful......and as a woman it is even worse for me for she have obviously lost all compassion for others and their children. But Fox News looks for those who will join in lockstep......she would of fit in fine with Mussolini.

William can we not move on from that old worn out talking point. This has been proven and backed up by the Hawaiian Officials that President Obama was born there. Unless you do not recognize Hawaii as a State then you need to move on. If you want to say his birth record and the Hawaiian Government means nothing then I would say that would stand true for anyone having been born in the USA, for all we have is our papers and the record departments to verify that the record was there. Family and friends to attest to it. If you are waiting for some god to come down to address you personally it isn't going to happen. He is the President voted in 2 times move on. Don't like his policies that is one thing, but this birth crap is simply that.......crap.

Diane.....I can always depend on you. What part of torture do you not understand. I thought as a good Patriot you'd want to aim higher.
 

Jason R (67)
Thursday December 11, 2014, 10:45 am
Trolls reported.
Your report has been submitted to Customer Service. Thank you.
GOP operative and elite shill.

" Fox has been reporting on the truth...the good, the bad and the ugly as it relates to our corrupt administration"

If that were true, I'd welcome it but it isn't any more the truth than Nazi capitalism is good for the people.

Shame on you bad people. Your vote cause people to die. Innocent people.
 

Jason R (67)
Thursday December 11, 2014, 10:49 am
"I completely understand why some do not believe in enhanced interrogation."

I want to water board you so bad, I can't stand it but I wouldn't. I'd just throw your sorry ass in jail for the rest of your life for treason against the american people.
 

Jason R (67)
Thursday December 11, 2014, 10:54 am
Diane wants to " Live and let others live"

I do not think you grasp the concept. You've joined mabus.
 

Lady S (446)
Thursday December 11, 2014, 11:33 am
Come on Jason, you are better than that. Nobody deserves to be waterboarded.
 

Kathleen M (208)
Thursday December 11, 2014, 1:00 pm
Noted. Thanks, Judy. There is, quite simply, no excuse that can possibly justify torture. It's cruel, inhumane, barbaric and immoral. Then there's the fact that it doesn't work, ever! "Enhanced interrogation" is a semantic attempt to obscure the fact that the harsh methods utilized are criminally evil, no matter who employs them. Second semester psych majors learn that torture doesn't provide useful intelligence; how did our sadistic friends at the CIA not get that memo? Dick Cheney is a despicable excuse for a human being, and so is anyone who encouraged or allowed this cruelty to prosper!
 

Kathleen M (208)
Thursday December 11, 2014, 1:02 pm
PS: don't feed the trolls...
 

Charlene R (79)
Saturday December 13, 2014, 6:11 pm
Ms. Tantaros is nothing more than a Teapublican Comedy Club fanatic, who is seeking money and fame from the Faux Noise, egocentric lunatics.
 

Judy C (91)
Sunday December 14, 2014, 7:02 pm
Dang, I just checked this article's comments again, and the comment I posted late Thursday after almost of all your replies is gone.

Many of you made excellent points, including Bryan's patient and factual responses. Some irrational arguments were made in support of an "anything goes" policy, justified by the terrorist bogeyman.

I hope people check out the inks several of you have provided to support your points. Some provide important information, such as Richard's links about the role of John Yoo and the flimsy and bogus rationale for the use of torture.

I've noticed several times where comments have disappeared from news articles lately.
 

Richard S (209)
Wednesday December 17, 2014, 4:15 pm
Tried to post my documented comment explaining with legal authorities why Yoo and Bybee should be prosecuted, but Care 2 deletes it every time.
 
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