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Neoliberal Economists: Against Bernie Sanders and Common Sense


Business  (tags: Bernie Sanders, Financial Transactions Tax, Election2016, Neoliberal Economists, Single Payer Health Care, US & Canada )

Judy
- 1113 days ago - telesurtv.net
Example of Sanders' common sense: A true financial transactions tax, at tax rates of 0.25 percent to 2.5 percent, can pay for all of a single-payer health care program in the U.S. and still have hundreds of billions left over.



   

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Michael M (60)
Friday April 1, 2016, 3:13 pm
Just to help care2 readers understand just ONE confusing term bandied about in recent yearss:

Economic neoliberalism developed when the economically liberal-minded*** co-opted the language and ideas of classical neoliberalism to place economic freedom at its heart, making it a right-wing ideology.

DON'T STOP READING!

***Economic liberalism is the ideological belief in organizing the economy on individualist and voluntarist lines, meaning that the greatest possible number of economic decisions are made by individuals and not by collective institutions or organizations.

DON'T STOP YET!

Thus neoliberalism is a peculair rhetorical term, meaning in common parlance, Conservatism.

You see, original Liberalism MEANT private property rights instead of monarchical or feudal possession of property. There was essentially NO private property before the 1600s in large, hierarchical societies. and , of course, small, especially mobile cultures also recognized that any "ownership" was either communal or nonexistent.

With sufficient history we can recognize that conservatism, as well as the Earth (or water, etc) as "private" property, were concepts foreign to the Earth until human populations exploded enough that land saturation by the species resulted in cutthroat competition for it.

For other related devastating human competitive practices, you can also read Garrett Hardin's classic "The Tragedy of The Commons."
 

Past Member (0)
Friday April 1, 2016, 4:58 pm
Thank you....darn good article with this great ending......"Yes, there would be less spending by the wealth speculating in stocks, bonds, derivatives, forex and other financial securities. But so what? If rich and wealthy investors don’t like that, well then let them eat cake – or some other four letter word."

'But so what?' Do you know how sweet those words sound when they are finally directed at the true source of our unbalanced economic system? Ahhhhhhh, Mmmmmm, yes, sweet....Mmmmmmm.







 

Past Member (0)
Friday April 1, 2016, 5:01 pm
Nyuck wrote: :Yes- and if all that were TRUE- you have to wonder why Elizabeth Warren would not , hands down, without a doubt, endorse Bernie Sanders and n one else.. You know- unless you believe that she ALSO has no common sense"

Gee, the only thing I can think of right now that could possibly fit Nyucks comment is from the movie, Star Trek - The Wrath Of Khan

Kirk: Khan, I'm laughing at the superior intellect.
 

Animae C (508)
Friday April 1, 2016, 5:41 pm

Dear me, 'abusive name calling'?
Nyak why can't you take a tiny bit of your own medicine?

How many times have you called Dandelion Dandy-lion!?!


 

Animae C (508)
Friday April 1, 2016, 5:43 pm

Thanx Judy & Michael M for your informative comment.
 

Past Member (0)
Friday April 1, 2016, 5:47 pm
Nyuck, you used 4 separate comment boxes when you could have used one. Now why would you or anybody else use 4 separate comment boxes?? You stole 80 points from the Care2 website when your gibberish could have fit in one box. Typical Republican Welfare Queen - sponges off the system for no work.

Kirk: Nyuck, I'm laughing at the superior intellect.................ROTFWL.................
 

Past Member (0)
Friday April 1, 2016, 10:02 pm
Noted. In agreement with Michael and Judy--and thanks to Michael for the obviously much needed informative comment.
Care2 has to be commended for the challenging management of such a large and diverse gathering of souls. The site is handled with care, as it is attempting not to become corrupt, like our government. One must carefully choose who and what is beneficial for the site, for the planet and for all living. That is what this site represents---a gathering of benevolent peacemakers whose united purpose is to save what's left of Earth, it's resources and all life.
 

Sheryl G (359)
Saturday April 2, 2016, 5:34 pm
Thanks Judy for the article too bad the troll stopped by and started right out of the gate "trolling"....

You know Elizabeth Warren didn't endorse Hillary either.....so why must you even bring it up. Had nothing to do with the article and you were the first comment.

I beg to differ with you Nyack, you have spelled my name as AniMae mentioned above and there are other C2 members that have noticed, because they have come through my PM and mentioned it to me.
So you fool no one......people do notice.

A shame you must mistreat and abuse other C2 members simply because they don't support your precious Hillary.
 

Sheryl G (359)
Saturday April 2, 2016, 6:03 pm
How many times and how many threads do we get to do a typo?

Here is one place.
http://www.care2.com/news/member/640795881/3969539

Your comment on Wednesday March 30, 2016, 6:46 pm

You have done it enough times that people notice. So we have gone from you telling AniMae she is wrong, writing this.....How many times have I called Dandelion Dandy-lion? ZERO-

ZERO in large letters to emphasize.
 

Sheryl G (359)
Saturday April 2, 2016, 6:35 pm
Another typo?

http://www.care2.com/news/member/640795881/3968763
Tuesday March 29, 2016, 5:24 pm

We won't even get into what a low water mark you were hitting at.....just more digs which had nothing to do with the article at hand.
 

Sheryl G (359)
Saturday April 2, 2016, 6:40 pm
No one has said you have to vote for Bernie.......who said you HAVE to vote for Bernie. I personally as others do think he is the best Candidate, but if you do not agree, vote for Hillary. But what you and Kristi don't have to do is be rude to other C2 members......which you both have been doing.

I came back because you accused AniMae of lying and got all up in her face not only on this thread but in other places. I don't suppose you'll give her an apology or is that too beneath you to do?

So go vote for Hillary and stop trashing the threads just for your ya's ya's to be stroked. You know how you and Krista thought it so funny......calling us names, isn't this so much fun, ha ha ha. How Krista pulls out all sorts of garbage stories just for her entertainment.

Would you like me to give that link too?
 

Past Member (0)
Saturday April 2, 2016, 6:55 pm
Care2 is to be commended for their increased efforts in maintaining what this site stands for. There is a large and diversified number of souls who must be monitored 24/7. This means that a band of "guardians", other staff members and a strong support system must be alert, as an atmosphere of freedom, justice, rights, liberties are honored. There has been much abuse of those privileges displayed. Care2 is in process of deciding who and what is most beneficial for the site. Care2 welcomes ONLY benevolent peacemakers who display a capacity and willingness to work in unison with others, in an effort to save what's left of Earth and all living, making this world a better place.
 

Sheryl G (359)
Saturday April 2, 2016, 7:19 pm
I just post articles Nyack that are of Hillary Clinton's OWN history and what she has done or did not do. Sorry, don't let the facts get in the way. Posting truth is not bashing.

Ah, here is another typo
http://www.care2.com/news/member/901507364/3963882

Saturday March 12, 2016, 2:25 pm

And AniMae even mentions it on
Saturday March 12, 2016, 4:39 pm

Sorry AniMae....ZERO.....I've now presented 3 places.....and was the above another of your "typos"? Who are you fooling on here? You know what they say about digging holes.

I've never attacked you, I post stories about Hillary.....as do other members.

Your time to vote is drawing near.....go vote, vote for Hillary. But that still doesn't mean you have to attack other members, call them liars as you did AniMae. I'm a big girl, I can handle your "digs" of changing the name, as I said before to you, that you remind me of that other member that use to bash the Palestinians, she did the same thing.

Instead of bringing out the best in your Candidate and having policy discussions, you call people names, you disrupt the threads, Kristi thinking this is so much fun. And her two word offerings followed by ROTFL.
Frankly I don't see what is so wrong with the "happy revolution".....you got something against Happiness? I see Kristi thinks things are funny, so long as they go her way.

If thousands of people are finally finding a Candidate worthy to vote for, your darn right they are happy, because many of us are tired of the same Corporate bull......here, finally is a Candidate that is a breath of fresh air. But if you want to hang out in the pollution suit yourself. Do as you wish, vote for Hillary she just loves fracking.
 

Animae C (508)
Saturday April 2, 2016, 7:26 pm
Blessed Be the Peacemakers of C2.

Dandelion, thank you for proving i'm not a liar.

Janice for you patience & calm.

PEACE to ALL
 

Past Member (0)
Saturday April 2, 2016, 7:44 pm
Hello Nyack. By the way, congratulations on many well-done animal petitions, as that has become a very critical situation that is not in control and needs a huge helping hand. Back to point; as I am an Independent, I call a spade a spade no matter who or what it is. I do indeed address Obama and the entire corrupt shebang.
I am directly descended from President John Adams, "Braveheart" William Wallace and possess Native Indian blood. I thank them for that blending, as I find myself looking to the root of corruption from every angle and then the blood gets to boiling and I find the passionate conviction to attempt to find a way to balance the scales of justice. As you know, that's usually a losing ongoing battle.
Well--that's why most of us are on Care2, in various capacities and with diverse agendas. One thing we have in common is that we have an inner compassion, empathy, discontent, anger, frustration that leads us to uniting with each other for the perhaps never-ending battle between negatives and positives, lies and truths, suffering and rescues, pain and healing, corruption and justice, good and evil essentially. Call it what one will, mankind has always had to share that unjust war. It has only seen slight success when people unite.
Each person brings something different to the table and it doesn't have to top the other's offering--it merely should be a positive. Every body has a different take and different reasons that have lead them to their mindset. Nobody is wrong--so, who the heck decides who is right. Only time evidences proof of who was and is "right". Who hasn't zigged when they should have zagged?
We are all monitored, spied on. Is anyone in agreement that this site is indeed like a large chaotic city that must be monitored. Not for the sake of peeking in on the more personal chatting, but, trying to prevent and remove anyone and anything that causes negativity, damage to Care2 and it's members. It is a responsibility, morally, ethically, legally. When a garden is not maintained, it goes to seed, then to ashes.
I would merely encourage a display of willingness and capacity for being a peacemaker that enjoys and is capable of working in unison to attain only positives, a healing for Earth and all living---beginning in our own "Garden"--Care2.
Lastly, there are apologies that should be offered, but only if they are from the heart. That's for each person to decide. Only one should receive a public apology here on this post and that is the author--Judy C--who had her entire post overtaken and disregarded. I apologize Judy, for myself, as I felt I needed to go off topic, hopefully as peacemaker and a representative of what Care2 stands for.
Now, I'll gracefully descend from my "soapbox" and go scout out some of Nyack Clancy's animal petitions and I encourage you all to check them out. We should all take a break from politics and help the helpless.
 

Animae C (508)
Saturday April 2, 2016, 7:48 pm
"And YOU Dandelion- are if there is nothing better in this world to worry about other than the proper spelling of your name!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

Friday April 1, 2016, 5:03 pm
"Is that you MOTHER name, Randy? NYUCK?"

AND

Friday April 1, 2016, 5:07 pm
"OR- are you just resorting to abusive name calling Randy, because you don't have an intellectual thought to offer to the topic?"

Oh & i actually did wonder what Randy's mother had to do with it : ))))

Peace
 

Animae C (508)
Saturday April 2, 2016, 7:58 pm
Thank You Janice for another Peaceful comment.

All it takes is a simple Google search;

Bernie Sanders on Animal Welfare

Bernie Sanders is an advocate of animal protection rights and ensuring animals’ humane treatment. He has co-sponsored several pieces of legislation to protect the interests of animals and has recently received a 100 percent rating from the Humane Society Legislative Fund (HSLF).

Breeding and Captivity Practices: No animal should be subjected to inhumane commercial breeding habits nor should they be contained within neglected and inadequate shelters.

Livestock Issues: All animals that are raised for food should be treated humanely with minimum standards of care.

Cruelty Toward Animals: Non-human animals must be protected from all forms of cruelty, suffering and abuse, whether in captivity or in the wild.

Protecting Wildlife: All wild animals must be protected from unnecessary danger to their livelihood and habitats, including threats to endangered species.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/128040591
 

Judy C (91)
Saturday April 2, 2016, 8:47 pm
First, thank you to Michael for the great clarification of the term neoliberal. It is used quite a bit, and seems to have some varying shades of meaning as used by different authors. One author who has written a book on it, Wendy Brown, calls neoliberalism "a loose and shifting signifier". It reminds me of trying to get a definition of postmodern. You just get in deeper and deeper as you pursue it.

Randy, you rightly point out this is a good article with a gratifying ending. The business press wants people to believe (and I think a lot of them do) that the economic world turns on the financial markets, when it's more like a big con game and casino. Computerized high-frequency trading has shifted it into maximum overdrive. We can do with much less of all the forms of speculation, but taxing but seems not only fair, but imperative at this time.

Janice, I love your statements about Care2. You too, AniMae.

Dandelion contributes so much to this site, and like her, we find it tiresome when people act as trolls, and distract from the issues. That is not legitimate debate. Re-read all the comments Nyack, and tell me which ones sound like someone "going mad".
 

Judy C (91)
Saturday April 2, 2016, 9:06 pm
I responded to this thread as it stood with the last response at 7:39. I see a few subsequent comments, with some welcome defusing of the toxic tone. Thanks for that interesting info, AniMae. I had never heard about any of that.
 

Judy C (91)
Saturday April 2, 2016, 9:11 pm
I forgot to say, thanks for the apology, Janice. You have a big heart.
 

Past Member (0)
Saturday April 2, 2016, 9:35 pm
Thank you Judy and for the Wendy Brown book on Neoliberalism. Again, thanks to Michael M for the explaining of the term, neoliberal. A thank you to AniMae and Dandelion, both outstanding women who contribute much of their time and energies to producing positive work for Care2. Blessed are the peacemakers. Just like a magnet, we attract what we are and how we present ourselves to the world. And, blessed be my ancestor, John Adams, who's peace was disturbed upon hearing that he is still president.
As we are having important postings purposely sabotaged, hijacked, to disrupt or even destroy the daily flow of our attempts to save what's left of the planet---we must leave it to the wisdom of Care2 to decide what is best for the site and for the survival of all life. As it is offline, there isn't much sane, or humane explanation as to why some don't want a healing and renewal of all. Free will. Their personal choice.
I personally do not care if one doesn't wish to contribute positively to the plight of the planet, but just don't "take away".
Why have we always fought with our brother; will we ever have peace with each other?
Why? Why? Why? Why?
Some would say that it's a cultural clash. Some would say that it's political "hash".
Some would say that it's for economic "ups". Some would say we're just unspiritual "pups".
Some think we're psychologically "cattle". Some think it's a sexual battle.
Some think that it's a racial dispute. Some think that there's evil at the root.
Some believe it's 'cause our parents raised us wrong. Some believe it's been genetics all along.
Some believe it's 'cause the church has too much clout. Some believe we've got bad karma to act out.
I believe if we all sing our own song---some will harmonize, when they sing along. (Janice Doe Banks)


 

RJ Hughes (45)
Saturday April 2, 2016, 10:39 pm
Thank you, Judy, … for the post and share, and comments. All on point, I agree.

Thank you, Michael for sharing some clarification of the term “neoliberal”, I am sure it is helpful for many who might not understand it’s actually meaning in common usage, although myself have always clearly understood it … one doesn’t have to know how to correctly spell crap to know what it is when one encounters it, as the saying goes, but it is definitely helpful and useful when trying to describe or write about it.

Also thank you, Janice, Dandelion, others, … for trying to keep the comments on track, all appreciated.

As to the topic of the article, ….while there are somethings I have agreed with Krugman on in the past, but Krugman and the so called “gang of 4”, are completely wrong on this, as many other well respected and knowledgeable economists (albeit maybe not as famous) have pointed out, including Robert Reich, also a former "Clinton’ite", who happens to NOT agree with Clinton on this issue, Bernie’s plan is sound and is the ONLY plan out there under consideration that makes the most sense, economically as well as practically, and is entirely doable, and ultimately will help the economic status of the U.S. Lets see, for starters, saving the 1/2 trillion dollars that’s spent merely on lining the pockets of big insurance companies and investors, which contribute nothing to actual healthcare at a;; (but profit enormously from the need, and who also dictate and influence what kind of care is available/covered or provided, which influences many decisions that those actually providing health care services provide) , is a good start. And, of course, taxing those like Hedge Fund managers, investors, etc., and increasing the potion of taxes (which for many of the biggest corporations is ZERO paid now) makes total sense and most definitely is something well overdue dn can go a long ways to improving economic conditions, paying for needed and essential services and programs, and afford more opportunity for those at the bottom. On every level, Bernie’s plan is one that makes the most sense, is totally doable, and will benefit the most people, not merely a select few. Which of course, is why Wall Street, the neoliberals, Gang of 4, etc., hate it and are willing to stop at nothing to decry it.

Thanks, again, Judy. great post! Noted, although read elsewhere and shared earlier (tried to share here, but you beat me to it, well done, shared a similar post, same topic, different source, perspective though)!
 

RJ Hughes (45)
Saturday April 2, 2016, 10:42 pm
“1.2 trillion dollars … “, "not 1/2 trillion”, I meant, typology here.
 

Roslyn M (26)
Saturday April 2, 2016, 10:52 pm
Noted - I think what Sanders says is obviously very good, but at his age I doubt he would have the stamina to actually be the President of the U.S.
 

Sherri G (128)
Sunday April 3, 2016, 12:24 am
Thank You Judy and Dandelion for your comments Noted.
 

Beryl Ludwig (78)
Sunday April 3, 2016, 12:36 am
it is now 3;34 am.

hi Care2,
I haven't the energy to waste on a selfish "member" of such a wonderful community. Nyack has destroyed the peace the love and harmony of our community Let this page explain the war between especially beautiful people who constantly show their dedication and cooperation. Dandelion and AniMae especially. Nyack makes me more ill than I already am. a lump is lodged in my throat. no one else need see this horror. Take care of it now,before it shatters us. please. Love, peace and harmony is usually what I see. many thanks for a place to share and show no hatred. ban them and take away this nonsense.
tearfully, Beryl
 

Judy C (91)
Sunday April 3, 2016, 12:44 am
Thanks Janice. what an excellent comment and poem! I think every day about the sad, inequitable, and horror-filled world some sick people have created for us to live in. The world is being run by thugs and criminals, but we have our little island of peace and sanity as a refuge here, and I honor it, and am so grateful for it. No one needs to disrespect it. We all create our own world with our attitudes.

RJ, you're right about the insurance companies. They are really a pet peeve of mine, because they are primarily parasites. According to some sources, they suck up around 1/3 of all health care dollars, and contribute little in return. It would be great if the corporations and elites paid their fair share of taxes, too. I do wish common sense would determine our policies, as the author suggests. That's the last thing the 1% want!

Roslyn, Bernie Sanders is in good shape and seems pretty healthy. He has the stamina to be a member of the Senate, and I think he is up to the task of being president. After all, he is only 5 years older than Clinton, if I'm not mistaken.

Nyack, you said "You are a MOB GONE MAD. " That's the only reason I suggested you look at the evidence on this page, and see who is raving and who is not. I think we are pretty rational, myself. I don't "hate" Clinton. I do dislike some of her actions and policies. If you want to support Clinton, that's fine, but you would further your cause if you would present some logical arguments and defend them. The headlines I posted are those of the article's author Jack Rasmus, not mine. The photo was his choice, or that of his editors.

You're welcome, Sherri.

Beryl, I'm sorry to see you hurt like this. We have to keep our spirits up. Together we are strong.
 

Angelika Kempter (96)
Sunday April 3, 2016, 2:10 am
"Ping Pong"wer ....
 

Arild Gone for now (174)
Sunday April 3, 2016, 2:36 am
Michael M. gives a decent explanation on what Economic Neoliberalism is today but as this article will show you it has meant different things through the times:

Neoliberalism

I wish you would spend more time on discussing Economic Neoliberalism than accusing each other and ending up in namecalling but then again thats just me.
 

Evelyn B (63)
Sunday April 3, 2016, 3:41 am
Judy - thanks for posting this!

Thanks to several of you who have added clarifying comments, too
And a bunch of extra GS to those who have tried to calm the wave of aggression .. *******************************

I've noticed that Nyack seems to see red when Hillary is criticised (I had the right to a blazing wave when I dared post proof that Bernie had been backing her over HER health care efforts, contrary to the impression she gave when she said "Where was Sanders?"). It becomes impossible to discuss with her when she's in volcano mode! In fact, she "un-friended" me over that! (By the way, Nyack - you said then that you were supporting Clinton - as a woman and as you thought she'd done so much for NY ... you referred to her after 9/11. I'm surprised that you now seem to be saying that you could be supporting someone else - Trump? Cruz? I don't think that either of them would meet your requirements of integrity, & I do think that you have clear values - even if you enjoy slamming people.)

But there IS a side benefit! When she uses so many comment slots, she is also boosting the story on the Front Page (as well as cumulating her butterfly points .....) - so perhaps we should take a moment to say:
Thank you, Nyack!

As for two questions:
Why has Warren not yet openly & officially endorsed Bernie?
Well - she has shown support - and definitely has not shot down the economics of his plans ...
So she probably has very good reason for not taking the official step of endorsement. As Nyack says - she is very intelligent! I suspect that she has some very good strategic reasons for standing on the sidelines - and these reasons may have a great deal to do with being able to ensure that the hard work she has put in on economic concerns are not lost in the future .... I'm willing to trust her to be thinking of overall good rather than self-interest.

As for "what has Bernie done"? ... Animal welfare has hardly been a top issue in the debates (I can't say I've noticed any candidate using animal rights as their main platform). But Bernie has taken strong positions related to environment, and usually pro-environment & indifference to animal rights do not go together, so I admit to assuming that Bernie is not indifferent to animal rights. He's already supported strong positions against GM - which is also relevant. But I suspect his top priority is, & will be, human rights - which is a question of priorities, not a rejection of animal rights.
 

Evelyn B (63)
Sunday April 3, 2016, 3:53 am
Beryl - try not to let cruelty of words get to you. (I know, it isn't always easy ... but remember the old saying "Stick and stones can hurt my bones, but words can never harm me"? ) Yes - it makes for a toxic atmosphere ... not fun. But look also at those who are constructive & caring ....
 

Darren Woolsey (218)
Sunday April 3, 2016, 4:16 am
I've reported ALL of Nyack Clancy's posts.

She's either simply hysterical, or tripped out on something, but to take issue with some of our most genuine, sincere and level headed posters on CARE2 is simply not on.
 

Sheryl G (359)
Sunday April 3, 2016, 4:51 am
Again is is obvious that you heard nothing I was saying back then and you still do not understand today what I had said. I was not in support of killing Bald Eagles, only giving you an explanation as to why "some" Nations felt it might be necessary. I also said that I did NOT agree, but if the Federal Govt. would lift the restrictions to the American Indian people on having the Eagle feathers they FIND then there would be no need for some of the Nations to feel the need to obtain the Eagle feathers in that manner.

The feathers do represent and are a critical part of many of the Indian Nations culture, and those feathers, that fall naturally should not be removed from the people's possession who Walk in such a way, simply due to lack of some papers by the Federal Government. No other group must gain permission to have an item that is a practice of their spiritual ways or to acknowledge an honored action.

But in your blindness you just went off on a rant........and to me it smacked of continued Dominant Culture that closes it eyes and ears to what someone is trying to explain. Again, I didn't say I agreed with the killing of the bird, that I could understand why these people were going to the Federal Govt. and asking of this permission. You want to save the Bald Eagles you might of tried to listen to what I was saying and perhaps support American Indian rights to obtain feathers more easily so certain Nations wouldn't feel compelled to get into that position to begin with.

So here you are running with what you "thought" you heard rather than slowing your engine down and try to understand what I was trying to explain. Yes, I unfriended you, because you showed total disrespect and you still are.
 

Edwin M (346)
Sunday April 3, 2016, 5:03 am
When I first became o member of this site it was for the express purpose of alleviating the suffering of animals but I no longer visit this site as I once did because it is no longer the site I became a member of. This site has become nothing more than a sounding board for politics and if I wanted that there are plenty of those type of sites available. Rave on, I'm sure your rants mean something to someone and may influence how someone will vote, but frankly I'm not interested.
 

fahad A (140)
Sunday April 3, 2016, 5:07 am
note ty :)
 

Edwin M (346)
Sunday April 3, 2016, 5:21 am
The real question might be why you feel compelled to respond to every comment as though it were directed at you personally, have you considered a purgative of some sort because you are obviously suffering some sort of internal turmoil.
 

Edwin M (346)
Sunday April 3, 2016, 5:33 am
Actually I was speaking in general about what this site has become from when I first joined and please show me where the comment I made was directed at any one individual, but if you want it to be about you knock yourself out.
 

Sheryl G (359)
Sunday April 3, 2016, 5:34 am
Once more I said I do NOT and you state I do. So once more you still did not read nor comprehend what I am trying to convey. You'd rather run with what is in your head rather than what I was saying.

So excuse me if I referred to it as a rant.....but it is okay for you to pass false information around about me.
 

Past Member (0)
Sunday April 3, 2016, 5:50 am
There seems to be a very urgent agenda to fulfill here. One that repels every visitor to postings that involve the promotion of the Democratic Party, in particular Bernie Sanders. The goal is to sabotage the posting with long-running verbiage, over-shadowing positive, productive comments. In short, shutting down the postings. Several have been hijacked in the very same style over the past 48 hrs..

It is not merely to garner butterfly points. It is to block communications. I have notified Care2. As several of C2's members have also contacted them over the past 48 hrs. and received no common curtesy of a reply from engineer Eric or any member of the support team, I am worried for their safety. It is odd behavior and highly unprofessional. The site is under attack, out of control, with zero action from administration.
I personally have been notified by as many as 6 friends who are leaving the site. They are positive, daily commenters who also compose petitions. I also have been alert for these past 48 hrs. and have found at least 19 folks who are defriending many of their friends, due to this outrageous behavior that has been allowed by Care2. I feel we are all owed a public apology, and that it does not matter at this juncture what the root of this person's obvious problems are. One must tend one's garden or it goes to seed and then ashes. How many members are going to be forfeited for the one? That is certainly an important person to Care2, for whatever reason. That is not meant to be a compliment.
We also have a critically ill lady, Beryl, who was very ill last evening and is a sensitive soul who cannot bear to see what had been her haven, now a chaotic prep course for hell.
Satan should send hearty congratulations. Job well done. Mission accomplished. Now you can get some sleep in and have sweet dreams. I'm sure there are more negatives to come of this.
Whoever is finding pleasure in destroying the gathering place where peacemakers work in unison, with the same shared goal of saving what's left of Earth and all living---has a different origin and destiny than we do.

 

Birgit W (160)
Sunday April 3, 2016, 6:19 am
Peace to everyone!
 

ewoud k (68)
Sunday April 3, 2016, 6:31 am
another example of an interesting post drowned in off-topic personal-attack comments.

a pity
 

Sheryl G (359)
Sunday April 3, 2016, 6:34 am
Why don't you write and ask Elizabeth Warren yourself if it's so important to you Nyack; as this seems to be a standard question you drop on a lot of the posts that have to do with Bernie Sanders. Just like you don't want people to force you to vote, although I can't see how anyone on C2 can force anyone to do anything. Perhaps Elizabeth Warren doesn't want to feel forced into endorsement. There is no rule or obligation that states she must. Her lack of endorsement infers nothing.....so write to her and ask if that is so critical to you.

However you seem to infer that her lack of endorsement on Bernie is very telling of something yet her lack of endorsement on Hillary means nothing.

As for the issue over the American Indians and the Bald Eagle again, you don't miss a beat do you. That if they were allowed to collect fallen feathers there would be no need to ask permission to obtain a bird. It is asking, unlike others who may of just gone out and killed and who'd be the wiser.

You want to use the name of an American Indian tribal Nation yet you do not even want to learn about the culture. Just wipe it all off the face of the earth and then stand on some pedestal and point fingers. Read it again Nyack, I said, IF they would be allowed to collect fallen feathers there would be no need to ask for permission.

Of all the people on the earth it is the First Nations, the American Indians, the indigenous all over the world who have been the greatest protectors of the animals and the environment; yet when they are boxed into a corner you can't give even an ounce of consideration as to why they are boxed into that corner. That by removing a law that forbids these people from collecting fallen feathers you'd save birds. It is a simple concept that seems to escape you.

"Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." - Martin Luther King, Jr.'

“We can easily forgive a child who is afraid of the dark; the real tragedy of life is when men are afraid of the light.”
― Plato
 

Animae C (508)
Sunday April 3, 2016, 6:44 am

Janice, i think Eric & the C2 engineers don't work on weekends.
 

Arielle S (313)
Sunday April 3, 2016, 7:40 am
Blessed are the peacemakers..... sigh

The facts are simple - ever so many other countries now surpass us in so many things...free education, free health care, better transportation, etc. Too many like the status quo because it keeps the poor invisible and without voice. I just don't think that is where we should be ... I will vote for Bernie because he wants the status quo to change. The top 1% should not have more money than the other 99%. Robert Reich is a noted economist who sees how this works and how/why it should be changed. Don't care what names get attached to the changes...only care that there are changes.
 

Gloria p (304)
Sunday April 3, 2016, 8:04 am
It makes sense.
 

Nita L (127)
Sunday April 3, 2016, 8:53 am
Thank you Judy for this article. Thank you Michael for your comment on Neoliberalism. Thank you Janice for the forward. Article shared on social media.
 

Dotti L (85)
Sunday April 3, 2016, 9:24 am
This thread was just brought to my attention and all I can say is WOW.
 

Evelyn B (63)
Sunday April 3, 2016, 9:56 am
Actually - there HAS been some hypothesizing about why Elizabeth Warren has not formally endorsed Bernie Sanders' candidature (& plans) - so that's an(other) inaccurate comment .....

And only one person mis-spelt your name Nyack.

But would you mind clarifying why you set out on a furious mass of comments over this mis-spelling of YOUR name, ( as you say:
"That's how this all started, when I gave my opinion about the article posted, and someone was compelled to call me NYUCK.
And I will stay right here until Care2 support shows up to have closer a look at it. ") yet you say:

"And YOU dandelion- are if there is nothing better in this world to worry about other than the proper spelling of your name!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! "

Can you not see the total contradiction?? Application of one standard for yourself & a different one for others?

But meanwhile - thanks, Nyack, for driving this posting up in visibility through the incredible number of comments!! The article is well worth bringing to people's attention.

Even if anyone trying to follow any discussion is liable to be mind-boggled by the content of the thread ....
 

Janet B (0)
Sunday April 3, 2016, 12:26 pm
Thanks
 

JinnySITEISSUES L (33)
Sunday April 3, 2016, 12:46 pm
Oh my.....The way I look at it is too many of us vote by reading editorials, listening to media political analysts, media in general, what candidate is leading in the polls (oh, this candidate is leading in the polls so he/she must be good so I'm also going to vote for them...lazy), etc., etc. I do not cast my vote by other opinions.....I cast my vote by doing my own homework (past and reliable records of how they feel and voted on issues, etc. It's imperative to know what they are really about).....I know it takes time but for the sake of this country and its people it's worth it. Thanks for posting.
 

Roger G (148)
Sunday April 3, 2016, 1:03 pm
noted, thanks
 

Lois Jordan (63)
Sunday April 3, 2016, 2:36 pm
Noted. Many thanks for posting this excellent article, Judy.
THIS IS AN EXTREMELY IMPORTANT ISSUE.
And, I really hope that many DO read it because it is fact-filled. And the comments near the top by Michael M. and Randy Q. were also excellent.

From reading the article, wealthy investors and health INSURANCE companies would be crying the blues if this plan were implemented----while we in the 99% would finally get some much needed financial relief:
"Why shouldn't investors pay a sales tax on financial securities purchases? In the U.S., average households pay a sales tax of 5 percent to 10 percent for retail purchases of good and many services."

Single-payer healthcare would save the U.S. $1.2 TRILLION.
People need to understand that Bernie's plan cuts out the "middleman." We would all no longer be paying any health insurance premiums, co-pays, etc.
So, if you're paying $10,000 a year for health insurance premiums, and then add in all the other costs of doctors office visits, etc-----all that goes away.
The "Medicare" deductions on your paychecks would rise to support the new system; but would not come near the expense we are now paying.
Health insurance companies are going to fight this tooth-and-nail. Obviously.
Representatives of the moneyed Wall Street system are fighting the Financial Transaction Tax just as hard. They do not want to take more money out of their pockets. This is all about GREED.
 

Lone F (58)
Sunday April 3, 2016, 3:00 pm
This thread was just brought to my attention. NO COMMENTS!
Thanks for posting, Judy!
 

Pat B (356)
Sunday April 3, 2016, 4:06 pm
Thank you, Judy for post.
 

. (0)
Sunday April 3, 2016, 4:29 pm
Have puzzled over this thread since it appeared in my inbox this morning. Seemed to come out of nowhere, as I didn't recall having read the post, much less checked the "track comments" option! An unasked for Grace? Anyway, thanks for sharing the article, Judy. And thanks to the many Esteemed Commenters who shared their wisdom, enlightening the rest of us. Love and many Blessings to all...
 

Ruhee B (73)
Sunday April 3, 2016, 5:22 pm
Noted - thank you for the forward Janice. I really don't know what to make of all this ... politics doesn't interest me one bit ;) and arguing about it is like arguing about religion - futile!
 

Nimue Michelle Pendragon Gaze (339)
Sunday April 3, 2016, 5:43 pm
Ditto, Ruhee. Animals are my thing, no forwards please.
 

cynthia l (207)
Sunday April 3, 2016, 9:24 pm
It's a sound article thanks for sharing
It was difficult wading through the trash to get some insight to the whole meaning as intended.
So beyond the cultrual clash and polictical 'hash' let's sing together for a few minutes, united.
Peace and Blessings to all
 

Barbara Tomlinson (431)
Sunday April 3, 2016, 9:50 pm
FYO: I just now found and posted THIS on Care2 News, just minutes ago.
I will post the LINK shortly.

CIA Agents To Troll Alternative Media Sites In Huge Propaganda Program | Your News Wire

US Politics & Gov't (tags: CIA, propaganda, Operation Mockingjay, PAID TROLLS, fake accounts, arguments, trolling, foreign policy decisions, lies )
BMutiny - 56 minutes ago - yournewswire.com
agents have up to 10 fake shill accounts used to troll & create the illusion of having a genuine network of friends. They will defend current administration decisions with relentless irrational stubbornness that one can only be paid to do. ONLY be paid
 

Barbara Tomlinson (431)
Sunday April 3, 2016, 9:54 pm
I have been aware for a LONG time, of some of these agents who USED TO BE RIGHT HERE ON CARE2. One of them was named Jeffrey Williams. "They will defend current administration decisions with relentless irrational stubbornness that one can only be paid to do."
THAT is how you spot 'em! They seem to have NOTHING ELSE TO DO, NO OTHER JOB, but to be on Media Night and Day! I alerted people at the time, that these were PAID AGENTS. Their tactics are quite transparent. I THINK these agents are discouraged now, from trying it on C2, tho they must be on other sites. LET ME KNOW IF I'M WRONG!
==========================
[I am NOT saying that this is NECESSARILY the case, here. I am just alerting people in general, WHAT TO WATCH OUT FOR. Since I have been ASKED to Comment on this.]
 

Barbara Tomlinson (431)
Sunday April 3, 2016, 9:59 pm
This is the LINK to the Care2 News Item I posted:

http://www.care2.com/news/member/911530155/3970841

CIA Agents To Troll Alternative Media Sites In Huge Propaganda Program

Watch especially the FIRST short Video on the Site.
 

Barbara Tomlinson (431)
Sunday April 3, 2016, 10:05 pm
If NOT a Paid Agent, STILL DEFINITELY A TROLL:
Wikipedia:
"In Internet slang, a troll is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people,
by posting inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a newsgroup, forum, chat room, or blog)
with the deliberate intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion, often for their own amusement."
 

Barbara Tomlinson (431)
Sunday April 3, 2016, 10:08 pm
I like this that I read a couple hours ago somewhere:
Hillary Clinton's [and her Team's] [underhanded attacks on Bernie Sanders] are SCHITTE BOOMERANGS......!

Very good, very very good, wouldn't you say?!
 

Barbara Tomlinson (431)
Sunday April 3, 2016, 10:15 pm
Speaking of Schitte Boomerangs.....
LINK to paste in your browser:

Sarah Silverman flip-flopped from Hillary to Bernie and is ...
matadornetwork.com/tv/sarah-silverman-flip-flopped-hillary-bernie...

Sarah Silverman explains why she is supporting Bernie Sanders instead of Hillary Clinton in this hilarious yet informative video.
 

Past Member (0)
Sunday April 3, 2016, 10:33 pm
Bravo BMutiny. I just left a comment on your posting. It needs addressing and action. LOL on "Schitte Boomerangs", being members of Hillary Clinton's Team who perform underhanded attacks on Sanders.
I voiced my opinion not only on your posting, but above in comments that were a vain attempt at creating respect, peace. An untended garden goes to seed and then to ashes. This has been a haven, a Garden Of Eden for peacemaking members who wish to work in unison to create an atmosphere of truth, love, beauty, benevolence, peace, while trying to save what's left of Earth and all living, making the world a better place.
"NO SERPENTS ALLOWED IN THE GARDEN OF CARE2"

"CIA Agents To Troll Alternative Media Sites In Huge Propaganda Program"

http://www.care2.com/news/member/911530155/3970841
 

Evelyn B (63)
Monday April 4, 2016, 12:53 am
Lois -
Why do you think we had such a troll attack here,!!

Because this article merits reading and thinking about - and some people don't want that AT ALL!!
(I've shared it on ... !!)
 

Judy C (91)
Monday April 4, 2016, 1:02 am
Thank you Arild. It certainly is more interesting to discuss neoliberalism than to deal with trollery. Thanks for providing a link, which offers plenty of food for thought. I didn't have time to read all of it yet, but what I have read was very informative. The picture that emerges of neoliberalism as it is usually defined today shows that it is at the root of multiple evils, such as globalization, financialisation of everything, inequality, exploitation of natural resources and ruin of the environment, corporatism, and such entities as the IMF and the World Bank, with all the harm that they do. The financial transaction tax is a very efficient way to make a small start toward fairness, which will actually reap a very large reward.

I have been busy today and have not been on Care2 very much. I'm surprised to see so many comments on this article since I visited it quite late last night. Many of them are very good. I will have to respond to some of them tomorrow, because I'm going to go to bed soon. I guess Nyack did me a favor by making a jillion comments and attracting attention to this article. :-) I would greatly prefer that the attention was attracted by issues of importance, such as the fact that a small financial transaction tax could be used to fund single payer health, something that would be tremendously beneficial to our people, and a system that would alleviate human suffering, which is what medical care is supposed to do.

 

Evelyn B (63)
Monday April 4, 2016, 1:05 am
Live links to the pages mentioned by BMutiny
CIA Agents To Troll Alternative Media Sites In Huge Propaganda Program | Your News Wire

Sarah Silverman flip-flopped from Hillary to Bernie and is damn proud of it
(Thanks, BM)
 

Evelyn B (63)
Monday April 4, 2016, 2:04 am
Your tips for handling trolls are even better than the story itself, BM!

The Amy Martin video in the article, although dating from 2013, is very relevant still today -
And not only to do with projecting a "good" image of the US ......
 

Evelyn B (63)
Monday April 4, 2016, 2:10 am
(I realise people might not realise that in my last comment I was referring to CIA Agents To Troll Alternative Media Sites In Huge Propaganda Program | Your News Wire
Which is relevant to this comment thread)
 

Past Member (0)
Monday April 4, 2016, 3:17 am
I left for a while and care2 is a mess :D
I bet it represents the "real" world :)
Is it Easter yet? We need a crucifixion :)
 

Evelyn B (63)
Monday April 4, 2016, 3:32 am
Dimitris - LOL (The West has had its Easter, but you've got one coming up, no?)
Good to see you back!!!

(There's been another Dimitris around, confused me for a while, less sexy icon & DEFINITELY different mindset!!)
 

Past Member (0)
Monday April 4, 2016, 3:54 am
Dearest Evelyn, I'm happy too... to see all you lunatics fighting to reform the world... :) And there is progress, isn't it? :) Soon the whole system will collapse and we'll have our chance :)
But I don't know that much about Easter I'm afraid. I'm not a Christian. I believe in Eros and in Harmony :)
 

Animae C (508)
Monday April 4, 2016, 5:19 am
Greek Orthodox Easter is May 1st, don't tell me you won't be seeing your mother Dim?!
Happy to see my favourite lunatic back : )))
Καλώς Ορίσατε
 

Past Member (0)
Monday April 4, 2016, 5:38 am
Καλώς σας βρήκα! :)
And thank you for the info :) I was late moving the time forward too :)
And possibly I won't see mother. I'm not fun of these celebrations, and mother is used to it :)
 

Animae C (508)
Monday April 4, 2016, 5:56 am
Καιρό έχουμε να τα πούμε!
το ίδιο και εδώ with the Χριστός ανέστη!
 

Sheryl G (359)
Monday April 4, 2016, 6:08 am
Glad you stopped by - been thinking about you. We are holding down the fort on C2 my friend and in our own backyards. Stop by when you can and stay safe.
 

Kathy B (106)
Monday April 4, 2016, 7:51 am
FWIW, it was announced over the weekend that Elizabeth Warren HAS endorsed Bernie.
 

Julie W (33)
Monday April 4, 2016, 9:00 am
With any luck that will end this unpleasant thread. 58 posts I counted from you know who! I think I would rather wade through all those boring 'TYFS' and' noted' than see that level of nastiness on Care2.

 

Sheryl G (359)
Monday April 4, 2016, 9:47 am
I hate to be the one to burst the bubble here but the only two stories I could find both refute that Elizabeth Warren has endorsed Bernie Sanders. One appears to be a fake or fraud the other was an April Fools joke. Unless someone can find something more factual of this endorsement, I will say that she still has not and if she was going to, one would think she'd of done it before the Massachusetts primary.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/01/us/fake-new-york-times-article-claims-elizabeth-warren-endorsed-bernie-sanders.html

A webpage that masqueraded as a New York Times article and claimed that Senator Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts had endorsed Bernie Sanders for president circulated widely on social media on Monday.

The fake news article, which mimicked The Times’s typefaces and design and included the bylines of two of the newspaper’s political reporters, appeared with the headline “Warren Endorses Sanders, Breaking With Colleagues.”

Also

A webpage that masqueraded as a New York Times article and claimed that Senator Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts had endorsed Bernie Sanders for president circulated widely on social media on Monday.

The fake news article, which mimicked The Times’s typefaces and design and included the bylines of two of the newspaper’s political reporters, appeared with the headline “Warren Endorses Sanders, Breaking With Colleagues.”

Share it with everyone you know!

Also... april fools :)
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/3/31/1508844/-BREAKING-ELIZABETH-WARREN-ENDORSES-BERNIE-SANDERS-FOR-PRESIDENT
 

Sheryl G (359)
Monday April 4, 2016, 9:49 am
Sorry not sure why some of it repeated under ALSO.....it should of read:

According to a stunning new article from Politicus USA, Senator Elizabeth Warren (D-MA) has privately announced that she will be endorsing Bernie Sanders for President.

Share it with everyone you know!

Also... april fools :)
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/3/31/1508844/-BREAKING-ELIZABETH-WARREN-ENDORSES-BERNIE-SANDERS-FOR-PRESIDENT

My apologies.

 

Evelyn B (63)
Monday April 4, 2016, 12:58 pm
You beat me to it, Dandelion!

The April Fool's day one I liked best (although I'd have liked it even more had it been truth!!!!!) is:
“April fool!” says Trump, withdrawing from election race .......
 

Stephen Brian (23)
Monday April 4, 2016, 1:44 pm
And here's where the "common sense" breaks down: People change their behaviour in response to changes in tax-laws which in turn changes the revenues from those taxes. For example, the 0.01% "tax", which was actually studied as a transaction fee, not subject to reductions from capital loss, would mean the end of modern high-velocity trading in the U.S.. That's a good thing as it would stabilize the financial markets, but with the volume of trade dropping by a factor of about a thousand as algorithmic traders switch from microsecond-responses to millisecond-averaging or even averaging changes over every full second in order to cut the number of transactions and avoid the fees, the revenues wouldn't be anywhere close to what "common sense" predicts. The same problem runs rampant throughout Sanders' analyses.
 

Darren Woolsey (218)
Monday April 4, 2016, 2:24 pm
Without supercomputers, programs and physicists and mathematicians with Ph.D's being employed in this micromanagement of stocks and shares, making it more and more abstract economics, the whole thing is modern day monopoly for adults.
 

Darren Woolsey (218)
Monday April 4, 2016, 2:26 pm
BTW, stability of markets depends on perception and image as much as anything real happening.

Also, BTW, Bill Clinton's shenanigans with Monica Lewinsky affected the value of the U.S dollar on world markets. . . .
 

Michael M (60)
Monday April 4, 2016, 3:14 pm
A great number of instances of the use of comment column to indulge in interpersonal ad hominem,

interspersed with attempts at clarifying issues.

Sounds like the ills of US politics, misuse of comment column, and of language itself, have successfully invaded this care2 column.
You will notice how the adhominem hijacking arouses your emotions in a negative way.

Care2 may have to develop a way to warn members when they overwhelm issues with trash. Even if the perpetrator may have been engaged in a single comment, the response and resultant interaction damaged this comment thread immensely.
Two argumentative people could not keep from descent into complete failure of civility.

NOTICE
 

Cheryl Aaron (18)
Monday April 4, 2016, 4:57 pm
Hello to all who read this comment. Peace is not just a word for non-violence. it's also a state of mind dealing with self. No one trashed this Care2 site except in some people's minds. With all due respect to the peacemakers. In life, a person has a right to his/her opinions (right or wrong). Best thing to do when someone is unresponsive to "reasonable" dialog is to share your peace through silence. Take your emotions out of it for they are no help. Trolls operate on emotions. That's how they're paid on many sites. It's by upsetting and bulling the dialog that causes people to respond and often over react. A troll cannot actually destroy a site unless the participants allow it. It is time to step back and take another look at the good work Care2 does and stop allowing the negative intrusion of a troll to bring it down. In other words, ignore the troll and continue doing good work...peace.
 

Cheryl Aaron (18)
Monday April 4, 2016, 5:15 pm
Oh, and btw, great article July C. Michael, you taught me something about Neoliberalism I didn't know. Thanks PeaceGoodwill for the link Thanks to Dandelion G, AniMae C., Darren, Stephen Brian, Evelyn B, Dimitris Dallis, BMutiny TCorporationsEvil, Janice Banks, and to all others who commented on July C's post. Lastly, I thank Nyack Clancy because by challenging us you helped to bring us closer together thus making Care2 stronger...peace everyone.
 

Animae C (508)
Monday April 4, 2016, 5:46 pm
Blessed Be the Peacemakers!!!
SOLIDARITY!!!
THANK YOU Cheryl
 

Judy C (91)
Monday April 4, 2016, 11:14 pm
Solidarity & thanks to ALL the peacemakers!

Stephen B., I would like to see the math. I would dare to say that the tax receipts would still be sufficient without high frequency trading. The article states that several billions would be left over after paying for single payer healthcare. If HFT were to be eliminated, it would be a public service, anyway.

You're correct about the role of perception in determining the markets, Darren. "Confidence" is critical in the game.

Thanks for the check on the apparently untrue story about Warren's endorsement, Dandelion. Information can spread like wildfire on the internet, true or not.

Good April Fool's story on Trump, Evelyn. There's some funny stuff on that website! I'd never seen it.
 

Judy C (91)
Monday April 4, 2016, 11:19 pm
Thanks for your check on the Warren endorsement story as well, Peace&Goodwill. Good advice, Cheryl.
 

Judy C (91)
Monday April 4, 2016, 11:55 pm
I forgot also to thank BMutiny for the article on the CIA, which I just noted and plan to read, and for the Sara Silverman video. I had seen that one, and it is very good. Thanks Evelyn for making up the hyperlinks for those items, too.
 

Vivian B (169)
Tuesday April 5, 2016, 11:19 am
The only thing I can add to this thread is that maybe, just MAYBE, Elizabeth Warren is waiting to endorse a candidate UNTIL the primaries are OVER! Anyone thought of that? She has so MANY supporters that she doesn't want to throw the primaries in one way or another? She will back the Democratic nominee when it REALLY matters, in the GENERAL ELECTION! That's when we will REALLY need her backing and support!!!
Making a shouting match and name-calling out of a thread like this is the worst thing that can be done! Grow up and come TOGETHER!!!
 

Stephen Brian (23)
Tuesday April 5, 2016, 12:51 pm
Like Darren said, market externalities, the things the world's best economists can't predict or model because they are drive by non-economic factors, have as large an impact as anything within the market itself. Looking at the past century, any decade lacking the introduction of some revolutionary new technology or some massive beneficial social upheaval has been one with a major recession (or the Great Depression).

I based my prior comment about a transaction fee stabilizing the market on a study which found that market stability and predictability correlated negatively with trading speed. Essentially, it reduces the impact of algorithmic errors and computer performance on the markets. For example, a hot computer will run slower and a lot of algorithms by "second-tier traders" just analyze the behaviour of other traders, so the weather (and temperature of the data center across the street from the market) can actually affect the market through the algorithmic traders. Not only that, but bugs in the algorithms and failures of modeling of market externalities by the algorithmic traders (where a human would step back and realize something is off) can compound the problem that Darren pointed out.
 

Sam H (410)
Tuesday April 5, 2016, 4:20 pm
I’m surprised they still refer to Debbie Wasserman Schultz as one of the most popular figures of the Democratic Party.

We know where Elizabeth Warren and Debbie Wasserman Schultz stand on the issue of “payday lenders.” But do you guys know where the two Democratic candidates stand in this issue?

Thanks!

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/warren-wasserman-schultz-clash-over-payday-lenders

 

Sam H (410)
Tuesday April 5, 2016, 4:29 pm
They probably can't stand "in" it, but what the hell!
 

Gary L (138)
Friday April 8, 2016, 8:05 am
so Nyack Clancy has become a full fledged troll you disgrace the nobility of your other cause's by your behavior her reminds me of some republican trolls and btw Hillary was a republican and still is. such a shame here is the post that was removed can anyone explain why
 

Sam H (410)
Friday April 8, 2016, 8:19 am
Reading this thread is starting to look like watching a Republican debate! What's left, talking about the size of each other's hands?

All I see are dear friends getting hurt by these exchanges. And whose cause is being advanced here, Bernie's or Hillary's?

 

Sam H (410)
Friday April 8, 2016, 8:28 am
I always thought that the most liberal position was to vote for Trump in the primaries!
 

Gary L (138)
Friday April 8, 2016, 8:45 am
MY bad on the numbers but maybe you could explain why you are allowed to personally attack people and anyone who sneeze's wrong is banded I had for some time admired your petition's for animal welfare I didn't realize who you really are. Enjoy your little world
 

CareTwo Support (520)
Friday April 8, 2016, 8:54 am
Hello everyone...this is getting out of hand. If all we have to offer are personal attacks, please cease from that and move on to a topic that you can discuss in a civilized manner.

Gary, to answer your question..you did not flag any of the comments that you seem to have issue with, but took it upon yourself to join in. Your comment was flagged, so that was why it was removed. Now you repost it.

Looking at this thread, I sure do wish that some of you would have flagged many of the posts above that are off-topic.

BUT..do not complain about "Care2 not doing anything about it" if you do not let us know there is an issue. Furthermore, as adults, I sure do wish that you can all somehow arrive at a place where you are able to converse online without name-calling and put downs. That's not us or anyone else other than yourself that posted the comments next to your own avatar above, so don't place blame on others for your actions or words.

Simply show some respect towards others and yourselves. Sad to see this is how we act here. Tone it down, please and use the flags to report comments.
 

Sheryl G (359)
Friday April 8, 2016, 9:43 am
Wow, been busy offline and come back to see this thread is busy, again....well thank you Eric for coming by. I'll leave it at that.
 

Evelyn B (63)
Friday April 8, 2016, 2:48 pm
Gary - I don't know about your comment - if it was offensive or not - but at present there are some strange glitches with posting comments. They don't always "take", & sometimes they vanish .... only to reappear shortly afterwards (which is why there are a number of duplicate comments showing up in discussion threads!! C2NN, not groups)

Eric's comment suggests that in fact someone flagged your comment -
But many comments that do a vanishing act are not offensive, it is clearly a bug ... because they come back again. At present, I'm checking that the comment appears after submitting - sometimes adding another comment flips the vanished one back into sight, which is better than activating Lazarus to retrieve the text - then having it in duplicate.

Thanks for stopping by, Eric.

The trouble with "flagging" is - where does freedom of speech end, and "offense" begin? After all, someone may believe strongly in something which I find offensive/ wrong - but that doesn't mean they don't have the right to say what they think (just as I believe I have the right to say what I believe is right). I have difficulty with knowing where the limit to respecting the right to express ideas that I cannot believe in should be drawn, so I don't flag easily. I prefer to ignore the posts when they go "over the top", unless there are personal insults thrown in.
 

Sheryl G (359)
Friday April 8, 2016, 4:21 pm
Wow, Nyack, can't you give it up. You just went back to Monday here it is Friday. Even misspelled Cheryl's name. Is that a habit of yours? Because you went on at great length because someone didn't spell your name correctly yet you do it to others a lot.

Like wow....Sigh.
 

Evelyn B (63)
Friday April 8, 2016, 4:30 pm
Just let it go by, Dandelion! Don't feed the sickness - it isn't even accurate in "facts" cited ... just trying to provoke.

Judy posted an excellent article - let's try to help it stay on track.
 

Evelyn B (63)
Friday April 8, 2016, 5:33 pm
List of Bernie Sanders presidential campaign endorsements, 2016

U.S. Cabinet members and Cabinet-level officials
Former
Robert Reich, 22nd Secretary of Labor (1993–1997)[7]

U.S. Senators
Former
Paul G. Kirk, MA (2009–2010)[8]
Don Riegle, MI (1976–1995)[9]

U.S. Representatives
Tulsi Gabbard

Current
Keith Ellison, MN[10]
Tulsi Gabbard, HI[11]
Alan Grayson, FL[12]
Raúl Grijalva, AZ[13]
Marcy Kaptur, OH[14]
Collin Peterson, MN[15]
Peter Welch, VT[16]

Former
Brad Miller, NC (2003–2013)[17]

And as for the level of State Legislators - well, go to the site.
 

Animae C (508)
Friday April 8, 2016, 5:37 pm

Thank you for setting right the false statement Evelyn
 

Sam H (410)
Friday April 8, 2016, 6:16 pm
No problem! What's a couple of extra butterflies among friends! *wink*
 

Judy C (91)
Friday April 8, 2016, 11:28 pm
Lol Sam. Speaking of disappearing comments, I had posted a reply to your comment above, where you asked if Sanders or Clinton had taken a position for or against payday lending. That comment disappeared, apparently. As far as I can tell, neither candidate has stated a position on that issue. However, around 2009, Bernie Sanders introduced a bill to limit interest rates. He proposed a 15% cap for lenders, in general. Clinton probably would not want to invite any disapproval from her friends the bankers, so it's unlikely that she would oppose payday lending practices.

Thank you Evelyn for that information. That's interesting to know.

Thank you Eric for weighing in on all these comments. I'm glad you will respond to our concerns.
 

Sam H (410)
Saturday April 9, 2016, 12:01 am
Thanks Judy! I thought that would be an issue that would separate the two candidates and would make it easier for Warren to endorse one since she already declared her position on the issue.

But I think the questions should be asked of the candidates to see which one supports Warren and which one supports Wasserman Schultz.

A reverse endorsement of sorts!
 

Judy C (91)
Saturday April 9, 2016, 12:24 am
Yes, that would be a good idea, Sam.
 

Evelyn B (63)
Saturday April 9, 2016, 2:44 am
Judy - and everyone else!
I've been blessing the kindly soul who mentioned Lazarus Recovery in a discussion about difficulties with posting stories! I installed the Lazarus add-on for Firefox - and it saved me headaches when the contents of the new submission page had partially or totally vanished ..... Now, it is also invaluable with these vanishing comments!! (although the ones that do come back means that sometimes there is duplication - so I flag the second as duplicate !!)

Lazarus is free - although when your use it, there is an invitation to donate something to the developers.
 

Sheryl G (359)
Saturday April 9, 2016, 6:38 am
Thanks Evelyn for the information on Lazarus Recovery.

Myself personally on why Elizabeth Warren isn't endorsing was her own words, she is allowing the democratic system play out. Let the people make their own minds up without her sway one way or another. It is also a very smart move on her part as she has a lot of clout in the Senate. If she doesn't endorse either of them, she can work with either of them as she kept her personal power to herself and for the people as a whole.

Myself personally, and I've stated this on other threads, I think she has made a wise political move for her own voice........of which is clearly needed. I'm glad she hasn't endorsed either of them. Awhile back there was a petition that was placed on C2 to ask Elizabeth Warren to endorse Bernie Sanders and I did not sign that petition for the reasons I mentioned. The reason was also given on the thread to that petition. I know I was in the minority of that point of view but I felt then as I do now that it's a shrewd move on Elizabeth's part.

 

Judy C (91)
Saturday April 9, 2016, 12:45 pm
Evelyn, thanks for the suggestion. I followed the link to Lazarus Recovery, and I got a pop-up ad before the page completely loaded. I have a very effective ad blocker, and when that happens, then I get an onslaught of adware and sometimes malware. I've had two bouts in recent months with that, including an extremely persistent thing called DNSunlocker. Between using my ad blocker and opening every webpage I go to in a new private browsing window (Firefox), I am able to get off of the page before all that crap starts popping up. I can tell it's starting because the page takes longer to load, and sometimes new windows open up with fake alerts. Or occasionally the page loads, and then starts loading again in a few seconds, doing all that popup stuff. This is the solution my daughter-in-law recommended to me -- I'm not really computer savvy. Did anyone else have this experience?

Also, there are a handful websites right now that I can't use because all this popup nonsense starts when I go to them. I just avoid them for the time being.

The way I avoid the disappearing comment problem on Care2 news stories is to right click, select all, and copy the comment. Then if it doesn't post, I can paste it in. I do this if my comments are rather long, or if it takes a while before I get it posted. Sometimes I forget to do it, though.

Thank you Dandelion for repeating that opinion here again. After considering that opinion, I think your reasoning is very sound, and I agree with it.
 

Sheryl G (359)
Saturday April 9, 2016, 1:14 pm
I do as you do Judy and copy the comments before I submit, then I look to see if they took. I can also back the page if I forgot and the comment will show and I can just submit it again.

I didn't try the Lazarus Recovery as my son has told me, a little more "techie" than I, to let him know or check into anything first before I try "new" things as I"ve gotten myself in a mess before trying to download something. As I haven't had that opportunity to speak with him I can offer no information on Lazarus. I'm glad it worked for Evelyn, and not sure why she can use it and you had all of that happening to you. As I said, I'm not too "techie".
 

Sam H (410)
Saturday April 9, 2016, 1:27 pm
That could put a crimp in one’s lifestyle if the son has to give his blessings before any “new” thing can be tried.
 

Sheryl G (359)
Saturday April 9, 2016, 1:36 pm
No, it doesn't put a crimp in my lifestyle as it's only before I download something. I'd rather him check it out fully for me, because it saves me from the loss of my computer or his having to fix the mess I created. I see him has my "tech" support.....saves me time and potential money in the long run.

I'm not talking that I can't go into links and such, just downloading some program onto my computer.
 

Sheryl G (359)
Saturday April 9, 2016, 1:40 pm
On the flip side he knows his Mother is good with real estate and buying homes....so he checks with me on that so we each have our strengths.
 

Sam H (410)
Saturday April 9, 2016, 2:26 pm
Oh boy, what was I thinking? I need to get my mind locked up in an abbey somewhere!
 

Sheryl G (359)
Saturday April 9, 2016, 3:24 pm
lol....is okay Sam. Have a good night.
 

Evelyn B (63)
Saturday April 9, 2016, 5:32 pm
Judy - sorry to hear of your experience - I gave the main site link above.
I actually downloaded it as a Firefox add-on (as I use Firefox) - but gave the other link because not everyone is on Firefox.
I used https://addons.mozilla.org/en-GB/firefox/addon/lazarus-form-recovery/ - and probably, Mozilla has ensured that it is clean, just coming through with the recovery programme.
No extraneous anything popped up there .... and it has saved me from tearing my hair out!!!!! Particularly with Care2's current glitches.
 

Evelyn B (63)
Saturday April 9, 2016, 5:38 pm
Dandelion - I remember asking you about Warren some time back, & your comment made sense then - as now. She's clear thinking, and in a recent interview has effectively stressed that it is healthy for the two candidates to be exchanging their thoughts & providing "democracy in action as it should be" in developing discussion on the issues that are important. Which I found confirmed what you had said .....
 

Judy C (91)
Sunday April 10, 2016, 1:31 am
I'm not at all a techie either, and Dandelion, my daughter-in-law and my son function as my "consultants" and then as cleanup people if I get into trouble with my computer.

Thanks Evelyn, for that Mozilla link, which should be safe. I do use Firefox myself. IE was a mess, and my kids stopped me from using it. :-)
 

Frances Darcy (92)
Wednesday April 20, 2016, 11:50 am
noted
 

Rosie Adams (340)
Friday May 13, 2016, 4:57 am
Looking in from afar,(UK) at the stage the US Presidential campaign is at today, I wonder if this is why Trump is triumphing? Surely, you Democrats would all do better to find the common ground twixt animal welfare according to your references to Bernie Sanders - and women's rights as long. long placed on the Clinton manifesto...concede that they both potentially have much to offer - and join forces in the battle against the boy with the blond bonce and loud trump-et.- or save the whole eneergy/time thing for your most favourite causes. It seems (only a personal view - don't take it personally to any one person) that you are ALL so good at doing what you USUALLY do here on Care 2 - that you should focus on that and just put your vote in for the person most appropriate to your own needs fulfilment as I did recently in the UK elections. If you listen to those vehemently campaigning to stay in or leave the European Union - you will hear nothing but a cacophony of sound...Each man or woman MUST weigh up the potential for themselves and vote for it - leaving everyone else to do exactly the same - and meanwhile, watch and listen, very carefully, to anyone on the political landscape, who YOU think can MAKE it - or BREAK it - FOR YOU...It just has to be time better spent in the lead-up to crucial concerns, than using time to simply keep criticizing the 'other' camp.
 

Judy C (91)
Tuesday August 30, 2016, 1:20 am
Why would you do that?
 

Sheryl G (359)
Tuesday August 30, 2016, 5:04 am
You were the one to misuse this community but you fail somehow to see that. I suppose we are all wrong and you are the only one right in this.

And you still misuse the website of C2 by doing what you do.
 

CareTwo Support (520)
Tuesday August 30, 2016, 9:46 am
Can we please treat each other with a bit more respect here and comment when we have something to add in regards to the post or issue and not towards other unrelated topics? I am seeing some posts and activity that look more like personal issues and that has no place here.

Be an adult and use your best judgement please. I hope to not have to address this any further if we can take it upon ourselves to act in a civil, respectful, or just simply a personally responsible manner.

Thank you.
 

Rosie Adams (340)
Wednesday August 31, 2016, 4:46 am
I have not visited any US political articles for some time and thought I would do so today, just for a look-see. It is just the same, sadly. All those with a true political awareness, both historical and for the future (Bernie Sanders on Animal Welfare, for instance) is just met head on with yet more bickering and badgering about incessant focus on names and their derivatives leaving the main focus and original opening miles behind.. Surely this is not a microcosm of how the real voters will think and behave?
 

Sheryl G (359)
Wednesday August 31, 2016, 10:13 am
I certainly hope not Rosie.
 

Evelyn B (63)
Wednesday August 31, 2016, 12:12 pm
I also hope not - but I have to admit that the cybersphere & the media are so full of misinformation that it is difficult for those not following closely & cross-checking often to have any clear ideas of what IS (relatively) truthful ...

On so many subjects!!!
 

Darren Woolsey (218)
Wednesday August 31, 2016, 3:35 pm
If you want a real diet of misinformation, check out the mainstream Press/Media machine, especially in the U.K. Without alternative press/media, I would be rather less informed as to some of the questionable things being conducted within the Corporate Capitalist framework.
 

Joanne p (13)
Sunday October 16, 2016, 7:57 am
ty
 

Darren Woolsey (218)
Sunday October 16, 2016, 11:10 am
Points picker. . . or a CARE bot.
 

Tin Ling L (0)
Sunday February 12, 2017, 1:07 pm
tyfs
 
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