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US Politics & Gov't  (tags: judge, veteran, PTSD, jail, compassion in action, solutions )

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A short and very powerful story about a judge and a veteran


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Past Member (0)
Monday April 25, 2016, 5:57 am
Nobody should be left aside

Scott S (14)
Monday April 25, 2016, 7:10 am

Trish K (29)
Monday April 25, 2016, 7:16 am
This was truly moving and a Very innovative Judge. What Grace.

A moved Serna said of the judge, "He stepped in there for me. I will never let him down again." As for Olivera, he cited a story he'd read: "It talked about a soldier with PTSD in a hole. A family member, a therapist and a friend all throw down a rope to help the veteran suffering. Finally, a fellow veteran climbs into the hole with him. The soldier suffering with PTSD asks, ‘Why are you down here?’ The fellow veteran replied, ‘I am here to climb out with you.’”

Thank you Judy for the reflection

Lenore K (0)
Monday April 25, 2016, 1:12 pm

Janet B (0)
Monday April 25, 2016, 1:22 pm

Barbara Tomlinson (431)
Monday April 25, 2016, 1:29 pm
I posted this SAME story Yesterday - earlier - Care2 did not catch it!

Hartson Doak (39)
Monday April 25, 2016, 1:51 pm
Having served himself, the judge understood what this PTSD vet was going thru. That is the trouble with our court system today. The judges are lawyers. they have NO IDEA what people are going thru.

Barbara Tomlinson (431)
Monday April 25, 2016, 2:04 pm
I re-posted this article [from my original posting] in the Care2 groups, "Atheist/Agnostic Alliance" and "Peace Activist Center".
As I thot it is an OUTSTANDING Example of REAL ETHICS in Action, the Golden Rule, not just "what some 'Holy Book' says, what Tradition or Custom or Convention says, what the Law says. But Rational and at the same time, Compassionate Ethics that should actually be the STANDARD for us all! A very high bar!

This is of interest to Secularists and to Peaceniks and Non-Violence Supporters, among others.....

Barbara Tomlinson (431)
Monday April 25, 2016, 2:30 pm
Here are a couple of the Comments on My Posting of this same article:

Here from Angelika:
"watch the video linked ( where the judge EXPLAINS exactly what this alternative sentencing program is designed for!
[This relates to there being set up a special Court for Veterans near Fort Bragg, the largest U.S. Army Base, in Cumberland County. Dealing with issues of PTSD, mental and emotional disturbance, Addiction and Substance Abuse, etc. All the members of the Court, are Veterans themselves. An innovative approach.]

Here from Gustavo [whose English is his Second Language]:
"It is a story where far beyond a simple case of a judge and a defendant.... something much greater.... the same life experiences that transcended 24hours in jail and
showed that solidarity can exist between two human beings
despite being at the moment in different positions."
The comment by Gustavo, for me hits the nail squarely on the head - THIS is precisely what brot my tears to the surface; Geez, I start to feel teary just reading Gustavo's comment again!
That's what gets TO me - "SOLIDARITY" - despite the differences Society gives the two individuals as to the Power one has and the other lacks.
Just "two human Beings", two Souls if you like, and REAL Communication, NOT based on "power plays", Status displays and shows of force.
If we ALL had and exhibited such a mindset, why, that would be a Revolution in itself! Just, as John Lennon would have said, Just IMAGINE.....
That is why I think this is an IMPORTANT story, not just an Awwwww shucks kind of "feel good" one.....

Joanne D (37)
Monday April 25, 2016, 5:30 pm
A couple of people on Common Dreams seem to object to the anecdote the judge cited, and say "Why should only veterans be helped?" I think they are missing the point. I think the point of the anecdote about the veteran helping the veteran was to illustrate that sometimes it takes someone who has been where another person is to understand both what he or she is going through and also what is the nature of the help needed. That isn't always true, but it is so often true that we should be making more use of the concept in treating both veterans and non veterans professionally. (Incidentally one doesn't need to be a veteran to have PTSD. Many sexual assault survivors have it quite severely. Many people also have it in a milder form, regardless of life experiences - it may not then need to be treated, but it would be nice if it could be respected.)

Judy C (91)
Tuesday April 26, 2016, 2:04 pm
BMutiny, I don't like it when Care2 doesn't catch duplicates. I try to watch for it myself, too. I think it was Sunday afternoon when I posted it. The important thing is that good stories are seen by as many people as possible, so that is a good thing. Thanks for sharing comments from your posting. I'll have to read the other comments on your posting, because it looks like there are a lot of them. I don't post just "feel good" stories if they don't have some depth to them. This one is profound, IMO.

Joanne, I definitely agree about the power of one person to help another who has been through the same kind of experience. Another example of this principle's effectiveness can be seen in the way that Alcoholics Anonymous works. A person who has been through a certain experience has a credibility to the suffering person that just can't be equaled by someone who has not had the same experience. Group therapy for people with PTSD from causes that they share in common, including warfare, has been shown to be highly effective.

PTSD is very difficult to treat. The longer the time it has to fester, the more difficult it is to fight it. It is best if treatment can begin immediately following the trauma, but of course very often this does not happen.
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