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Why Obama Won't Walk the Walk Against Outsourcing

Business  (tags: outsourcing, perspective, Presidential, international )

- 3061 days ago -
Presidential biographer William Chafe believes Barack Obama may talk tough in the United States about clamping down on outsourcing jobs to India, but the president's international upbringing and perspective make it extremely unlikely.


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James h (7)
Tuesday November 2, 2010, 1:34 pm
I was/am an outsourcing victim since 8/2008. If you looked within a 35 mile radius from where I used to work there were about 5000+ jobs outsourced over a very short period of time. Companies included Otis Elevator, Visteon Corp. LLC, RCA, GE, and others. Add the job shops that closed and laid people off that worked at them who were support staff and the numbers are even larger. The place i worked put about a thousand people out of work of which about a third are working. Many others went to school on a retraining program, most of which graduated last May and June. Many of those are learning there are few jobs for their "new" skills while others are learning many skill sets are saturating the job market and there are more candidates than openings. Nursing and Heating/Air are the top two with far fewer local openings than the number of graduates. Something that is seldom cited is the amount of tax revenue lost by outsourcing. The 1000 people where I worked, for example, if they paid $200 a week (definitely a low number) in payroll taxes, that's $200,000.00 a week just from that one place! That's $10,400,000.00 of lost tax revenue in a year! Again, that's a low-ball figure! When that thinking is applied to the millions of jobs that were outsourced over the years to add a few bucks to shareholder's stock values, it seems downright unpatriotic! If that alone weren't enough, many of these companies were subsidized with tax-payer money to do the outsourcing! What has replaced the jobs that once allowed blue-collar entry into the middle class? Not a damn thing! And we actually have idiots screaming they want less regulation on business and tax cuts for the wealthy, both groups doing very little to help people here. Outsourcing is a crime that borders on treason.

Margaret B (9)
Tuesday November 2, 2010, 2:11 pm
The reason tax cuts won't work is that the businesses that are still here will leave. And outsourcing is not the only problem. Chrysler is building a plant in Mexico. And it isn't just about tax cuts. It is so they can, as the other companies there do, pay the workers #3.00 a day in wages. Also, Bill Gates for one is laying off American workers and hiring Foreign Visa workers. He also wants to up the ante on how many Visas we pass out each year. Hillary Clinton during her campaign told India that oursourcing will never stop. They are taking our jobs from us in every way possible. And it is all part of the NWO plan. To turn us into a third world country and make us dependent on the govt for everything.
The guy who B.O picked to run Medicare made a formal announcement that health care would be rationed. Who do you think it will be rationed to? Not the elites. They will have their own Drs and hospitals just like Cuba.
The only way we can win is with conservatives. And weed out the RINOS. I don't think that all Dem politicians go for B.O 's plan but they have no choice. If you are not with him, you are his 'enemy'.

Gloria H (88)
Tuesday November 2, 2010, 2:35 pm
Will the last company to leave America please turn off the lights?

James h (7)
Tuesday November 2, 2010, 3:20 pm
@Myke Hi Myke. You make some good points but with me, the whole NWO thing sounds like the parents in Charlie Brown cartoons. You know, the wah-wah-wahwah-wah sound of the muted sax, trumpet or whatever makes that noise. I've had this discussion before and have changed a few minds, but some folks just enjoy cultivating the persona of knowing secret inside information that only their superior intellect and powers of observation can see. They refuse to accept anything other than what they and their fellow C.T.s believe. I guess the rest of us are mindless sheep who believe anything. I believe all the NWO talk is just spin put on a true set of events and conditions. It's the same as the old saying: "The rooster crows and the sun rises, therefore the rooster's crowing causes the sun to rise." If people want to indulge the fantasies of the NWO, Bilderbergs, Illuminati, and all the rest, that's fine. people have always grasped at straws to explain what they couldn't understand. The problem with it is that the true reasons for showing why something is wrong with policies or situations is often discredited when the more "colorful" explanations are aired as exemplary of the mindset of the opposition. I used to try to ask for "truth" or some evidence that these conspiracies were true, but I have yet to see anything that isn't a forgery (photo-shopped pictures especially), being promoted by somebody making money from it, or citing unidentified sources. There's a lot of money to be made selling to the conspiracy crowd. Again, that's fine but I wish they'd leave the important conversations to the adults.

Janet R (38)
Tuesday November 2, 2010, 4:02 pm
It's not just outsourcing of jobs to India and other countries; there is insourcing of H1B holders who are also taking American jobs. Americans are getting screwed both ways and it isn't fun. We are in competition with these people and many of them are willing to work for lower wages so if we get the job then we have to work at the lower wages and sometimes with no benefits. How do these companies think Americans are going to buy anything when we are unemployed or underemployed? I don't know about the rest of you but I am making the same amount of money that I was making in 2000 and most certainly, all expenses have increased in those 10 years so I am slowing rolling backwards. I do not think either party has the answers. I did vote but I think it is a pointless waste of time but I will be bitching about the future problems so at least I have the right since I did vote. I know this, if Congress doesn't start doing something and working together to advance this country, we will be a third world country, there will be no middle class, only poor and rich. I also do not think that the Tea Party has the answers. If enough of them are elected then Congress will spend its time fight revisions to the Constitution. We do not have time for that; we need to get country back on track.

KAREN L (10)
Tuesday November 2, 2010, 4:02 pm
Where there is money to be made, the outsourcing will continue.

Lorna Paisley (2)
Tuesday November 2, 2010, 6:40 pm
Start buying American, American food, American made clothing, American made dishes, tires, appliances, etc.
It can be found.
I was told by someone who had been in China that each district has its own monetary system and they have to spend their money in that district. Our government won't set that up but we can do it on an individual basis.
Stay out of Walmart and do not go through the self check out lines for starters.

Penelope Ryan (178)
Tuesday November 2, 2010, 10:31 pm
Outsourcing is destroying our economy and they don't seem to care. Why it is allowed to continue freely I don't understand.

Shirley S (187)
Wednesday November 3, 2010, 12:09 am

Justin R (0)
Wednesday November 3, 2010, 12:11 am
People bring misery mostly upon themselves – don’t by this cheap crap from Walmart and similar stores; it is your own damn fault for supporting foreign economy.

Outsourcing is no president will be able to stop, EVER! Because if he would forbid it the true power which runs our government – corporations – would make sure that they get what they want – and what they want is your money and profit at any cost – do you really think they care about child labour? Wake up and smell the roses. Every president is forced to adhere to international trade agreements which have been laid down decades ago and no one can change them. These agreements are nothing but legal blackmail between the really big boys and come across more like holding a gun to a person’s head: do or die.

Obama is on the right track to create a better future but too many uneducated Troglodytes are going to the polls, their head filled with marshmallows and opinions of loud-mouth people who love the limelight and achieve nothing. It is not the president but the people themselves which bring a country to its knees.

Victoria S (19)
Wednesday November 3, 2010, 4:53 am
Buying local is turning into an impossibility as EVERYTHING is going to end up producted in Asia or the Middle East :-(

James h (7)
Wednesday November 3, 2010, 1:42 pm
People keep saying "But American" but I have to believe they haven't ever really looked to see how difficult that is. Nothing is made here any more! Not Levis or much of any clothing, very few if any consumer electronics and appliances, and even much of the food we eat is no longer grown here. Google part content for any "American" car and except for a few limited production specialty vehicles you'd be hard pressed to fins anything made here 100%. I used to work for Ford until Ford spun all their supplier plants off into Visteon Corp like GM did when they crated Delphi. The idea was competitiveness and it was such a good thing for us, we were told, because we could make parts for other companies. That never materialized and although I don't know to what degree it actually affected thing, Ford had their nose deep in Visteon and that alone scared off non-Ford clients. For quite a while our plant was responsible for almost all income that was keeping the entire corporation afloat. Despite having a very tame union (non-UAW), lower wages than the other Ford/Visteon plants, despite getting multiple quality and other awards and every industry certification necessary, they STILL sold us out! After the plant closed Visteon filed Chapter 11. They stopped providing contractually negotiated benefits starting with prescription insurance for retirees who could get Medicaid/Medicare. Shortly after they cancelled ALL health care benefits for retirees and others that were also negotiated for. Shortly after that they appealed to a bankruptcy court to allow executives to receive bonuses. The court approved all the measures except payment of bonuses. Later the benefit cancellation was reinstated on appeal, but it was just a technicality that went against it and our corporate courts will no doubt come to Visteon's aid again. What actually happened shortly after Visteon came into being was Visteon ended up closing many US plants, putting thousands out of work and shipping jobs away. The jobs from where I worked went to Mexico, China, and Thailand. They began doing the same closure and outsourcing thing to Visteon plants scattered throughout Europe and I think the UK. It was their plan and Ford's plan all along to go for the lowest cost, damn everything and everybody else. Counter to the Buy American sentiment, I will never buy another US brand of vehicle. It was and is our own US companies that have betrayed the people here with the complicity of the government.

James h (7)
Wednesday November 3, 2010, 1:47 pm
Off topic, but what is up with the tons of SPAM that is getting put into articles on Care2? I just went through the mailbox I use for Care2 and I bet 30% were SPAM being posted as responses. I hope somebody is doing something to try to contain it.

Past Member (0)
Wednesday November 3, 2010, 7:57 pm is a directory of American made products. It will pleasantly surprise you.

Norm C (74)
Wednesday November 3, 2010, 10:13 pm
Chafe is not as smart as he thinks he is.

No one has to start a trade war of protectionism. This country engaged in a lot of trade prior to NAFTA and the WTO. We will do the same without them or with a dramatically reformulated series of trade agreements. It is interesting that while our exports to our partners in these utterly destructive agreements did rise, our imports rose twice as fast. These agreements were not about trade at all; they were about corporate hegemony over all issues regarding land use, resource use, labor costs and exploitation and about not paying for their catastrophic negligence and lawlessness.

The underlying assumption in this article is that Americans will provide the market of last resort for emerging economies and buy their finished goods (that we no longer pay Americans to make) indefinitely. Well, that economic powerhouse that used to be America is no longer capable of doing that. We have shipped overseas our jobs that paid Americans the wages necessary to provide that market.

We did not do as Germany and most of Europe did; they kept the vast majority of their middle-class jobs by only letting their coporations open new facilities abroad that were not needed to keep their workers at home working.

But not in the US. Oh no, that would make too much sense for the corporatist ideologues. From the late 60s onward, we labored under the spell of the old 19th century concept of "comparative advantage" long after the conditions for it were trampled and whipped into a dust storm by "hot money" that converted the whole shebang into destructive advantage.

But even this trade catastrophe is just a symptom of a more basic problem in America's political and economic life. The underlying problem is Big, Big Money (or as I call it Monster Money). Whenever a small percentage of any population is allowed to get unimaginatively wealthy, they will use that wealth to make sure they get more, and they will not care who suffers. The way they make sure they get more is to use a little of it to buy the time and cunning of many others to secure political favors that will give them vast advantages over the "lesser people". Monster Money is also sometimes called Selfish Money because its use is always for "ME, ME, ME".

Moster Money has no interest in you, in country, in community or in honesty.

Norm C (74)
Wednesday November 3, 2010, 10:15 pm
Monster Money is only interested in itself.

Linda Wallace (32)
Thursday November 4, 2010, 6:48 am
Everything now is about money!

Past Member (0)
Thursday November 4, 2010, 2:13 pm
Obama won't do anything about outsourcing because he's owned by the same banks, insurance companies, and other corporate interests that own all the Democrats and Republicans. The people of these United States need a real people's party. It is time to demand real socialism.

James M (2)
Thursday November 4, 2010, 5:57 pm
its currency minipulation and can't compeet with 11 cents an hour in CHINA still we buy the crappy products poisoning our children with lead based paints
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