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Bakery Refuses to Make Wedding Cake

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Baker refused to make a wedding cake because the customers were gay. Gay people sued and won. So now the owner is quitting. Sure, respect a person's religious beliefs. But show me in the Bible where it says, "Thou Shall Not Bake A Gay Cake."


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Lady S (446)
Sunday June 1, 2014, 8:31 am
Okay, had to reread the article. I guess they just stopped selling wedding cakes.


Past Member (0)
Sunday June 1, 2014, 8:52 am
Because baking a wedding cake for a gay marriage will send you straight to hell.
I guess they would rather lose business than risk selling a cake to gay people. How bigoted is that? SMH

Lady S (446)
Sunday June 1, 2014, 8:54 am
Yes, they are such "martyrs."

Being fed to lions, is nothing. No, asking a baker to make a wedding cake, is religious persecution to them.

Past Member (0)
Sunday June 1, 2014, 9:09 am
I know fleas like this are a plenty but still i'm shocked every time i hear these pathetic stories. Glad they sued+won! Thanks Ashley

Animae C (508)
Sunday June 1, 2014, 9:13 am
Wouldn't hatred & discrimination buy you more points to hell than baking a cake?
: )

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Melva H (93)
Sunday June 1, 2014, 10:00 am
Sounds like a case of 'My Way Or The Highway'. Hope the baker enjoys his lifelong hike down his chosen Path.... Consider the Fact that gays have never tried to force Everyone to 'do as they do'. It is insanity to try to force your opinions/ standards on the world.

Slava R (1311)
Sunday June 1, 2014, 10:39 am
Where in the bible does it say, thou shalt bake a cake! ..??

Barbara Tomlinson (431)
Sunday June 1, 2014, 12:26 pm
This is perfectly logical, LEGAL, and in full compliance with the law - that the bakery refuses to sell ANY wedding cakes to ANYbody. They sell cookies, cupcakes, etc., to anybody including Gay people.
You may think them BIGOTED; but, it is LOGICAL and LEGAL for them to do this.

A business, such as a bakery, could, for example, decide to serve ONLY Christians - or ONLY Gays, for that matter!
But, then it could not advertise itself as SERVING THE PUBLIC.
It could only advertise for example, in Christian - or in Gay! - private publications - such as Church Bulletins. And be a PRIVATE business for them, not a Public business like other businesses.
It could then produce "Christian Wedding Cakes" for only that clientele.
But the minute you "go public".... ALL laws, including licensing, sanitary, etc., must be obeyed!

[You can't say, for example, "My religious beliefs prohibit me from killing the cockroaches in the kitchen.....]

Barbara Tomlinson (431)
Sunday June 1, 2014, 12:37 pm
It is not something that they want advertised.
But, it is a FACT, that a LOT of the FUNDING behind "Challenges" to laws for so-called "Religious Exemptions", comes from - as well as from Evangelical Christians - a lot of it comes from the USCCB, which is the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops.
They don't make a big noise about it. But, they DO FUND a lot of the money spent on Lawyers, repeated Legal Challenges up thru the Courts, and PROPAGANDA for their Bigoted point-of-view, planting Ads, "Surveys", "News Items", etc.

Pope Francis, he either Can't, or Won't, do anything about this. No matter what his Public Relations stance seems to be. The Bishops exercise power in the United States, and in our Politics, too much - altho it is gradually fading!
Historically, of course, Roman Catholics and Evangelical Protestants HATED each other - even burned each other at the stake, when they had a chance!
But in the PRESENT FIGHT AGAINST GAY MARRIAGE, the reactionary Catholic Hierarchy, and Evangelical leaders, are UNITED...
[Note: NOT the ordinary Catholics and many Protestants! Just their INSTITUTIONS.... those who CONTROL THE MONEY BAGS and are not accountable.....]

Barbara Tomlinson (431)
Sunday June 1, 2014, 12:47 pm
More Funsie-Wunsies:

[AFA is of course, the American Family Association]:
LAUGH AT THEM as they are going DOWN, DOWN, DOWN.....!!!

Barbara Tomlinson (431)
Sunday June 1, 2014, 12:53 pm
Sorry, THIS is the URL for the above:

[Harvey Milk being of course a GAY ACTIVIST AND MARTYR who was shot in San Francisco by a Bigot, for his Activism...]

Lady S (446)
Sunday June 1, 2014, 1:16 pm
I'm not sure I understand you or maybe you didn't understand me BMutiny.

I"m say that now the Baker is refusing to sell wedding cakes to ANYONE (gay or straight.) Which is legal. Yep, it's pretty stupid to deny themselves a source of revenue they used to have in the past. But they have the right to engage in stupidity.

Winn A (179)
Sunday June 1, 2014, 4:49 pm
I hope there MANY people in this community that will take their business elsewhere. This is unacceptable now and in the future.

Past Member (0)
Monday June 2, 2014, 4:31 am
So how exactly do you write a summary that is not supported by the the article, that even ends with "Setting aside your views on same-sex marriage and/or the First Amendment if possible, it’s likely that there are many bakeries in the Denver area. In general, when a consumer is unhappy with store a, the consumer often takes his or her business to store b or store c. As a practical matter, would that approach have been better or worse in this instance, rather than getting the courts involved?"

Of course, you don't actually expect people to read the article before commenting, do you?

Anyway, the Buddhist and Hndi are mostly against, but wicka's are okay with it (but that is only a modern pagan :) - it seems to me this isn't just a religious question as it seems more age related.

Lady S (446)
Monday June 2, 2014, 9:51 am
The article asks the question, I gave my answer. That is how.

Sorry, my heart doesn't bleed for a baker, that acts like it is a religious act of persecution to make a cake for someone they don't like.

Lady S (446)
Monday June 2, 2014, 9:58 am
So let me get this straight, it's OKAY for bakers to discriminate against gay people? The gay people can just go find another baker? Are you agreeing with the owners of the bakery in this instance?

Well why are gay people, if you agree with that assessment, the only group that gets to be a punching bag? What if the baker was a white supremicist, who believed non-whites were inferior? Should all the "minorities" just go to another baker?

What if the baker was a sexist that believed women shouldn't be allowed to shop without a male relative by them? Should women just find another baker.

Do we really have to research the religious beliefs of the owner just to buy a cake?

I agree that it tends to be age related. However, in this case, they were arguing it was against their religion.

Gene Jacobson (287)
Monday June 2, 2014, 10:49 am
“[The ruling] prompted Phillips to decide he would no longer make any wedding cakes. He said he would be fine selling cupcakes for a birthday party for someone who is gay but added, ‘I don’t want to participate in a same-sex wedding.’”

So baking a cake is the same thing as attending and throwing rice at the gay/happy couple? In that case, there are a lot of businesses in deep trouble - clothing manufacturers, flower sellers, home builders, road builders (cuz you know those gays, they are just gonna drive on the roads like normal people) and on and on. There is NO part of society that does not in some way assist the LGBT community, because they are people and people are served everywhere. I hope this "cupcake" does quit and enjoys his new job at McDonald's drive through window, where I am hoping they do not allow him to inquire as to the orientation of their customers prior to taking their orders.

Ondine J (134)
Monday June 2, 2014, 9:21 pm
Another example of stupidity and ignorance.Thanks Ashley

Bruce C D (89)
Monday June 2, 2014, 9:52 pm
It's one of the Ten Commandments; Thou Shalt Not Discriminate. Besides, Jesus was in the closet--that's why he never got married.

Lady S (446)
Monday June 2, 2014, 10:13 pm
Well actually now there is some debate that Jesus might have married Mary Magnolium (spelling?) You know that girl that supposedly was a prostitute. It is now thought that she wasn't actually a prostitute. The male writers of the Bible, were jealous that she was Jesus's favorite, so they had to find a way to make her look bad. So naturally, a woman having sex with multiple men for money, was the most scandalous thing that they could come up with.

Sandra Ferri (114)
Tuesday June 3, 2014, 12:17 am
Noted. Unbelievable how stupid and unrespectful people can be!! Thanks Ashley

Mitchell D (82)
Tuesday June 3, 2014, 8:18 am
Thank you Ashley, and Gene!
If Phillips wishes to stop selling wedding cakes, entirely, he has that right, but it does not go the other way.
I think it is good that the couple went to the courts.
The unthinking rigidity with which some, too many(?), Christians insist on having it only their way, is what so many people push back against, not some "hatred" as G.W. Bush apparently thought, of Jesus.

Bruce C D (89)
Tuesday June 3, 2014, 11:21 am
As you probably realized, I was being facetious. If Jesus did exist, I seriously doubt he was anything like what he is imagined to be. Any speculation about his marriage status or which way he swung would be just that--speculation. Who knows, maybe Jesus didn't like commitment, and that's why he had twelve apostles. They practiced polygamy in the Bible, so it could be Jesus was starting a novel trend with his own variant, and that's why it's called the New Testament. ;)

There is no such Commandment as I described, although it would have been nice. There is one, however, about loving you neighbor. Apparently, some Christians just think gays take that Commandment a bit too far.

I got a good laugh out of your naming of her Mary Magnolium--is that some kind of hybrid cross between the FLOWERING magnolia and the FLOORING linoleum? I know you meant the character in the New Testament referred to as Mary Magdalene, Mary of Magdala, the Magdalene, or simply the Penitent, but you have to admit it was pretty funny.

Lady S (446)
Tuesday June 3, 2014, 11:23 am
Yea, I realized that Bruce. I didn't know how to spell her name. But at least you knew who I was talking about. I made her sound floral. That's okay. If Jesus existed, he was a hippie. So his wife should be named after a flower.

Bruce C D (89)
Tuesday June 3, 2014, 9:42 pm
Sorry, devil made me do it--just couldn't resist!

Past Member (0)
Wednesday June 4, 2014, 5:54 am

Lynn Squance (235)
Wednesday June 4, 2014, 6:26 pm
It is interesting that making cupcakes etc for birthdays and other celebrations except wedding cakes for members of the LGBT community is OK, but not wedding cakes, and all for his religious freedom. So it would appear that he is OK with LGBT people not just marriage equality, Any way you slice it, he is discriminating in my mind. His rights end at the end of his nose as another's end at the end of their nose.

I will never understand these people who say they are "Christians" yet feel it is OK to discriminate or hate using the Bible as their "proof". Jesus was a revolutionary associating with tax collectors, lepers, prostitutes and the poor. He demonstrated this many times over, including the story of the woman at the Samarian well.
"Our human tendency is to judge others because of stereotypes, customs or prejudices. Jesus treats people as individuals, accepting them with love and compassion. " Nowhere in the Bible does it say that being LGBT is a sin. That comes from people, church leaders, the same ones that launched the Inquisition, burned witches at the stake (read the Malleus Maleficarum )
etc etc.

As far as deciding not to make wedding cakes anymore so that he is no longer in conflict with his religious views, that is a business decision, in my opinion not a good one. If this store was in my neighbourhood, I would not be frequenting it. In fact, I'd let as many people as possible know of the owner's moral stand.

OK down off my soapbox.

Past Member (0)
Thursday June 5, 2014, 2:22 am
Noted, thank you.

Lona G (66)
Thursday June 5, 2014, 7:51 am
This baker is obviously a man who just can't admit to being in the wrong. He'll stupidly persist in his behaviour and probably will end up having to close his shop to the 'general' public.
Because his reason for now only selling cupcakes and cookies and whatever is that he doesn't have to acknowledge his customers being gay the way he has to when he sits down with a pair and discusses their wishes for their wedding cake. The gay community will soon visit his shop in droves, holding hands etc, to see how he likes that.

Lady S (446)
Thursday June 5, 2014, 8:24 am
Well Lona, this business person is obviously rather stupid.

He is apparently okay with the chance of selling baked goods that aren't used in weddings to LGBT people. But not wedding cakes. So that's interesting in itself. Because he's willing to close (presumably) a profitable product line, so as not to sell to LGBT people.

I would call this the arc of something, but I don't think Care2 would let me use the word I want. So we shall call it the Arc of Discrimination Businesses, to be nice.

First, some imbecile pretends that serving LGBT is religious persecution (yes, it must be tough to be a business owner who has willing customers! ). Then the LGBT community and its supporters mobilize. It gets all over the news. A flood of anti equality supporters rush to the business. Business probably sees a spike in sales for awhile. Eventually this flood of support will subside. Eventually they go out of business or lose some market share.

What these people do not understand, is when you treat LGBT people like trash, you aren't only eliminating the percentage of the population that is LGBT. You also lose their family members, friends, and supporters. Since support for marriage equality is currently at 55% nationwide, that means this business owner is potentially eliminating half his customer base. I'm sure said owner will cry persecution if he goes out of business due to lack of sales.

sylvie C (46)
Thursday June 5, 2014, 10:29 am
Thanks to all

ScoTT S (31)
Sunday June 15, 2014, 7:42 am
A recent article said that one of his court provisions was to attend discrimination classes, for him and all of his employees and be subject to checkups to see how well it is working. He refused. So why is it not hypocritical for the texas gop party platform to endorse gay conversion therapy and disallow lawsuits based on it? christian conservatives really ought to read Matthew 23. Oh, wait, it specifies the laws of Moses, so it only applies to jews, not them.
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