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Unchaperoned Woman to Get 300 Lashes


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A SAUDI woman's to get 300 lashings and 18 months' prison for filing complaints against court officials and being in court without a male guardian.


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. (0)
Wednesday March 3, 2010, 8:12 pm
It is practically a crime in Saudi Arabia to be a woman with any goals or interests of her own.

That being said, Stan, you do know that the picture is of an Afghani woman, don't you?

Debbie G (306)
Wednesday March 3, 2010, 8:17 pm
Very sad and unjust. While I realize my country has problems, that doesn't happen here....that I know of.

Kit B (276)
Wednesday March 3, 2010, 8:33 pm
Correction Chana: It is a crime to be a woman in Saudi Arabia. And we are supposed to take this place seriously as a country adapting to modernity? Not yet!

. (0)
Wednesday March 3, 2010, 8:51 pm
Now, Kit, that's just plain silly. It's no crime to be a woman in Saudi Arabia if your highest aspiration is to be chattel.

Stan B (123)
Wednesday March 3, 2010, 9:22 pm
I stand corrected, thank you Chana. There was no picture with this story so I googled one.
It's hard to believe that this barbaric evil is still going on in the 21st century. WHERE ARE THE PROTESTS?

Sue L (71)
Wednesday March 3, 2010, 9:34 pm
It is a strange story though. The judge was urging her to divorce her husband-I don't think that happens very often in Saudi Arabia. I think there is more to the story than is told here. All I can say is Thank God I live in the US of A! it isn't perfect but women are treated a heck of a lot better here than in many parts of the world.

Tigerman King (19)
Wednesday March 3, 2010, 9:51 pm
Stop this barbaric act How can anyone live through 300 lashings without psychological trauma


Debolina Banerjee (5)
Thursday March 4, 2010, 12:05 am
This is such a cruel act!!! I have never supported the unjust methods of dealing with women in most of the middle eastern countries... the fact that they don't understand is, it is from the wombs of these very women that all the men, who make such absurd and terrifying laws, are born. This is a really sad story and such judgement must definitely be protested against... but who will protest in Saudi Arabia?? the women there are so very deprived of all rights, we are previledged to enjoy... You are right Sue... we are so very fortunate, although I'm not from the US of A ... !

Alexa R (319)
Thursday March 4, 2010, 1:03 am
This is an outrage! The scary thing is that increasingly, many women in Britain are subjected to this sort of punishment under sharia law. In fact, sharia law might soon be legal in the UK and in Europe.

Beatrice B (112)
Thursday March 4, 2010, 3:08 am
Five sharia courts have been set up in the UK in London, Birmingham, Bradford and Manchester and Nuneaton, Warwickshire. The government has quietly sanctioned that their rulings are enforceable with the full power of the judicial system, through the county courts or High Court. Previously, the rulings were not binding and depended on voluntary compliance among Muslims.

Dominic Grieve, the shadow home secretary, said: "If it is true that these tribunals are passing binding decisions in the areas of family and criminal law, I would like to know which courts are enforcing them because I would consider such action unlawful. British law is absolute and must remain so."

Douglas Murray, the director of the Centre for Social Cohesion, added: "I think it's appalling. I don't think arbitration that is done by sharia should ever be endorsed or enforced by the British state."

Muslim tribunal courts started passing sharia judgments in August 2007. They have dealt with more than 100 cases that range from Muslim divorce and inheritance to nuisance neighbours.

It has also emerged that tribunal courts have settled six cases of domestic violence between married couples, working in tandem with the police investigations.

Sheikh Faiz-ul-Aqtab Siddiqi, whose Muslim Arbitration Tribunal runs the courts, said that sharia courts are classified as arbitration tribunals under a clause in the Arbitration Act 1996.

The rulings of arbitration tribunals are binding in law, provided that both parties in the dispute agree to give it the power to rule on their case.

The disclosures come after Rowan Williams, the Archbishop of Canterbury, sparked a national debate and calls for his resignation for saying that the establishment of sharia in the future "seems unavoidable" in Britain.

In July, Lord Phillips of Worth Matravers, the Lord Chief Justice agreed that Muslims in Britain should be able to live according to Islamic law to decide financial and marital disputes.

Mr Siddiqi said he expected the courts to handle a greater number of "smaller" criminal cases in coming years as more Muslim clients approach them. Two more courts are being planned for Glasgow and Edinburgh.

"All we are doing is regulating community affairs in these cases," said Mr Siddiqi, chairman of the governing council of the tribunal.

There are concerns for women suffering under the Islamic laws, which favours men.

Mr Siddiqi said that in a recent inheritance dispute handled by the court in Nuneaton, the estate of a Midlands man was divided between three daughters and two sons.

The judges on the panel gave the sons twice as much as the daughters, in accordance with sharia. Had the family gone to a normal British court, the daughters would have got equal amounts.

In the six cases of domestic violence, Mr Siddiqi said the judges ordered the husbands to take anger management classes and mentoring from community elders. There was no further punishment.

In each case, the women subsequently withdrew the complaints they had lodged with the police and the police stopped their investigations.

Mr Siddiqi said that in the domestic violence cases, the advantage was that marriages were saved and couples given a second chance.

Lawyers have issued grave warnings about the dangers of a dual legal system and the disclosure drew criticism from Opposition leaders.

. (0)
Thursday March 4, 2010, 3:12 am
I cannot conceive of a justice system where that kind of conflict of interest can exist - where the Judges who were part of the woman's complaints are allowed to pass judgment on her. A gross miscarriage of justice.

Amalia Ahuva k (105)
Thursday March 4, 2010, 11:00 am
I can't find suitable words to describe my outrage.
Where are the famous care2 petitions?
Where is the UN human rights committee?
Where are Amnesty, Avaaz, Change,the media?
AND: where are our "friends" - the Muslim's world advocates here on Care2?
I haven't noticed any of their posts here.

Marta Away (55)
Thursday March 4, 2010, 11:38 am
Interest reading for those who say that feminism is "obsolote". Thanks for share this. Noted.

Marta Away (55)
Thursday March 4, 2010, 11:41 am
Sorry.. Interesting reading (Im still fighting with my English)..

Nichole L (69)
Thursday March 4, 2010, 12:53 pm
Thank you for the article. What will it take to bring about real change in that part of the world?

Loretta K (85)
Thursday March 4, 2010, 12:53 pm
It is hard to think that these kinds of cultures exist today. It is clear that women have no rights at all in Saudi Arabia and other parts of the Muslim World.

Christiane Wawrok (7)
Thursday March 4, 2010, 1:04 pm
And on Monday will be Women's Day.
Please remember all women who suffer from repressions.

Terry B (649)
Thursday March 4, 2010, 1:18 pm
I notice a startling absence in this thread of those rabidly anti-Israel islamofascist that are always introducint and commenting on efforts to counter the world-wide jihad of horrors such as this.

Amber B (5)
Thursday March 4, 2010, 1:39 pm
the sad thing is that many of these "men" likely realize that the doctrine they're spewing, like all religion, is superstitious bull$#it, but as it serves to benefit them, whether or not the genuinely believe it to be the truth is irrelevant to them.

Summerannie M (50)
Thursday March 4, 2010, 2:18 pm
its so tragic that these women just have no rights what so ever and I often think. Here they wear their veils and cover up fully or show their eyes only where the men walk like any other in any other country. Where is that fair? Its not! And to be flogged this many times is horrendous. I spoke one day to a muslim woman and she explained it all to me. I was absolutely horrified that she nodded and agreed with herself that it was NORMAL...geez

Michael Owens (1647)
Thursday March 4, 2010, 2:43 pm
Its sad to see anyone being treated so evil.

Agnes N (703)
Thursday March 4, 2010, 3:14 pm
I really don't like their culture any way...:( sad

Monica D (580)
Thursday March 4, 2010, 4:12 pm
This sounds dreadful, and terribly unjust.

Jaclin S (230)
Thursday March 4, 2010, 4:24 pm
Absolutely diabolical treatment of women and definitely unacceptable - but - what can we do except show our abhorrence of such cruel and barbaric treatment of women these men if you could call them that have much fear of losing their dare I say it "masculinity" should they even consider giving their women equal rights - what a sad race of people these are - my heart goes out to all those women - she will never survive 300 lashes - it is inconceivable that these "men" have no compassion for their women folk!!! Love & Light and TY Stan B for this post.

Past Member (0)
Thursday March 4, 2010, 4:37 pm
This is exactly what Islam and Sharia law will get you. There are even members within the Obama administration that think a "global governance" that considers Sharia law should be enacted in America.

Harold Koh, look him up.

Europe has made that mistake and is now having to live the consequences as they look to revise that decision.

We are on our way. How sad is it, that the Progressives use women's issues and minorities to move along their agenda, all the while they are just using both. In the end all become slaves of the state.

Past Member (0)
Thursday March 4, 2010, 4:51 pm
"But what brings Koh to attention here is his apparent endorsement of Islamic law within the American court system. Clyne writes:

A New York lawyer, Steven Stein, says that, in addressing the Yale Club of Greenwich in 2007, Koh claimed that "in an appropriate case, he didn't see any reason why sharia law would not be applied to govern a case in the United States."

Comments: (1)" The day may have arrived when Americans, like Britons and the Dutch, have to stave off their establishment advocating Shari'a. It's a dark day, indeed. (2) The Senate must reject Harold Koh as State's legal advisor for his "transnational" worldview is unacceptable. (March 30, 2009"

linda b (186)
Thursday March 4, 2010, 5:38 pm
It's time these countries stoped treating women as objects instead of humans, as regards to Sharia laws i strongly object to this in Britain.If Muslims want to live by their laws then they should go back to their own country and live by them there,Britain has always been Brittish rule and that's how it should remain.I wonder how it would be accepted if in a muslim country imigrants moved there and demanded their laws be brought in , somehow i don't think so.

Stan B (123)
Thursday March 4, 2010, 5:41 pm
Thanks to everyone who contributed to this heart-breaking story. Sadly human rights abuses are not confined to women or to Saudi Arabia. Below is a news item about a male blogger who dared to criticise nepotism in Egypt's premier military academy. It was on a BBC site.

Egypt blogger military trial criticised

Several Eyptian bloggers have been jailed in recent years
Egypt has been strongly criticised by Human Rights Watch for trying a blogger, Ahmed Mustafa, before a military court.

The 20-year-old is accused of publishing false information in a blog a year ago, alleging a case of nepotism at Egypt's premier military academy.

Egypt's emergency law, in place since 1981, allows indefinite detention and trials of civilians in military courts.

Egyptian officials have denied that the power is much used.

The only evidence presented at his trial this week is the post on his blog.

The trial has been adjourned to 7 March to give defence lawyers more time to review the evidence.


There has been no investigation into Mr Mustafa's allegation of corruption, namely his claim that a teacher's son was pushed out of the academy, to make way for the son of a more influential individual who could make financial contributions, Christian Fraser, the BBC correspondent in Cairo says.

Under two international human rights accords, both ratified by Egypt, the government is required to protect freedom of expression.

Yet Human Rights Watch draws attention to a growing list of bloggers who remain in detention.

Kareem Amer was sentenced to four years in prison in 2006, for writing about sectarian tensions in Alexandria and criticising President Mubarak.

Another blogger, Hany Nazeer, was detained in October 2008 under the country's emergency law that was designed to fight terrorism for expressing forthright views on Christianity and Islam.

Last year after a visit to Egypt, the United Nation's Special Rapporteur on human rights reiterated that the trial of civilian suspects in military courts raised concerns about the independent administration of justice.

"The Egyptian government says one thing in Geneva and then immediately makes a mockery of the Human Rights Council's review process," said Joe Stork, deputy Middle East director at Human Rights Watch.

"No civilian should be tried before a military court, and no government that claims to respect human rights should be prosecuting someone solely for writing about corruption," he added.


Simon Wood (207)
Thursday March 4, 2010, 7:12 pm
This oppressive regime in Saudi Arabia is the monarchy that U.S. Republican and Democrat voters support - with billions of dollars worth of free arms, and arms sales on top of that - for the Saudi state to oppress its own people.

Simon Wood (207)
Thursday March 4, 2010, 7:15 pm
If you are genuine about ending U.S. support for that oppressive Saudi regime, then you will vote for the Green Party and/or socialist parties, instead of voting for the U.S. "Republican" and "Democratic" parties.

Kit B (276)
Thursday March 4, 2010, 7:40 pm
No Simon this is the naturally born - next in line King of Saudi Arabia. Stop telling Americans how to vote. We don't need your input. As for the Saudis they are doing exactly as they have done for thousands of years. It may be a real heart stopper for you but NOT every thing on planet earth can be placed at the feet of the Americans or the Israelis.
Some bad things happened before and will continue to happen.

Kit B (276)
Thursday March 4, 2010, 7:42 pm
There is something insidiously wrong about your attempts to justify cruel and evil acts of others by blaming the US. It really sounds like a serve lack of maturity and understanding of how the world actually works.

. (0)
Thursday March 4, 2010, 7:51 pm
Simon, we know you hate the United States. We know you hate capitalism. I find it more than a little mindboggling, however, that you blame EVERYTHING bad in the world on the United States. It would make a person believe that if we could just get rid of the US, the universe would be perfect.

Linda M (0)
Thursday March 4, 2010, 9:43 pm
this is such bs

. (0)
Thursday March 4, 2010, 9:49 pm
True, Kit. The oppression of women in the Middle East, including Saudi, can hardly be laid at the doorstep of the U.S. or Europe. It's part and parcel of that culture and has been for millenia.

And Simon is so very fond of boycotts (he's boycotting Switzerland right now because they don't allow many mosques to have minarets built onto them) - wonder why he isn't calling for a boycott of Saudi for its oppressive treatment of women (and others in the society, of course). And for its oppressive treatment of non-Muslims in its society. After all, if one cares so deeply about a Swiss Moslem's right to have a minaret attached to his mosque, surely one also cares even more deeply about a non-Muslim's right to be able to openly worship AT ALL.

. (0)
Thursday March 4, 2010, 10:04 pm
Oh, and BTW Simon - from what I've read, it isn't specifically the Saudi royal family/government that is behind this kind of regressive behavior. They appear, in many cases, more liberal in their views. It's the religious establishment in Saudi which holds sway against the people with regard to insisting upon a strict adherence to Sharia.

"Women caused a political and social storm earlier this year when many of them, with the blessing of the government that sponsored the event, completely took off their 'abaya' and scarf and openly mingled with men at an international economic conference held here in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia's second largest city.

The conference included luminaries such as former President Bill Clinton and the opening speech was given by Lubna Oyalan, the female chairman of one of the largest private-sector companies in Saudi Arabia. The conference caused an uproar among the conservatives who said women had gone 'too far'. The highest religious authority in the country, the mufti, issued an edict condemning their behavior, saying women should adhere to modesty in this holy land."

And somehow I don't believe the U.S. government is supporting the Saudi religious establishment.

. (0)
Friday March 5, 2010, 6:49 am
Darn it, Lindsey, sometimes you just make so much sense.

Elaine Dixon (71)
Friday March 5, 2010, 12:17 pm
still a back wards country how could someone keep living like this I have no idea

Past Member (0)
Friday March 5, 2010, 12:35 pm
Elaine, keeping people living like this is very easy: get brutal thugs into your secret police and then you can maintain peace and quiet as long, as you have cash to feed the dogs. With lots of oil at hand, this is not a hard task.

Living under dictatorships of any kind - Islamist, Communist, Maoist - quickly fixes naive dreamers hoping for a better life from sticking out from the silent crowd.

Gillian M (218)
Saturday March 6, 2010, 11:25 am
All of the Muslim countries allow this brutality. I am just as angry at the rape and sexual abuse of young girls who are hung if they object whilst the men go free and unpunished. I have written many emails, letters & signed petitions over this but nothing happens. This is despite the fact that the Arab & Persian nations are signaturies to the UN childrens agreement about trying and sentencing them as children if the alleged crime happened whilst they are a minor (ha ha ha ha ha). Iran repeatedly ignores this and recently, we thought that we had saved a 15 year old boy who handed himself into the police for killing in self defence. He was scheduled to be hung, Iran said that they would delay it then hung him 2 days later. I note that despite all of these atrocities, including the Muslims training children to kill or to be suicide bombers which are war crimes, yet there are no sanctions agaist any country or reprimands because NO-ONE cares enough to do anything about it or are too worried about oil to upset the country.

As for sharia courts in the UK, as far as I know they manage their domestic affairs, I am not aware of them having legal juridiction, only religious, but I could be wrong.

E A (28)
Saturday March 13, 2010, 10:31 pm
The picture is an Afghani. Not a Saudi. That would be a great topic as well. Afghani women under Taliban rule.

E A (28)
Sunday March 14, 2010, 5:05 am
Thanks Lindsey.Very poignant.March 4th
And Ahuva K. and others,there are some very interesting comments on this very subject matter on a post parallel to this.
In fact, Jack and I are at it once again.
"In Public Without a Man? That Would Be 300 Lashes" posted by Robin Marty

E A (28)
Monday March 15, 2010, 3:48 am
When our experience of the outer world is primarily through the filter of negative thinking,we gradually lose the capacity to experience life with an open heart.
The thinking mind,at its best may be a competent analyst and critic,but a purified heart is needed to percieve beauty and meaning.
The thinking mind can be informed by the heart and translate the perceptions of the heart into language,communication and wisdom.
Shaikh Kabir Helminski
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