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Geronimo: A Century After His Death, Tied to Bin Laden, the CIA and Skull and Bones

Society & Culture  (tags: Skull and Bones, Geronimo, CIA, Osama Bin Laden, Bush )

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These inappropriate uses of American Indian icons and cultures are prevalent throughout our society, and the impacts to Native and non-Native children are devastating.


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Lydia S (155)
Wednesday May 4, 2011, 8:47 am
It is a disgrace , The Native Americans have suffered enough, A little sensitivity is much needed.

carla Aijtink (61)
Wednesday May 4, 2011, 9:14 am
We the human race have stil a very loooong ways to go!!!

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Wednesday May 4, 2011, 9:20 am

Yes, it is indeed unfortunate that we live in a worldwide society that revels in war and bloodshed, almost as if it were merely a more sophisticated childish game. They even name their operations after warrior "enemies" they pride themselves on defeating, and further disgrace and humiliate their victims (and their ancestors) by using their remains as elements of their barbaric rituals.

Even more hypocritical -- they do this all while perpetuating the notion that the victims were "savages."



Penelope P (222)
Wednesday May 4, 2011, 10:02 am
There is a Hindu sect lives in ghats(graveyards) and uses skulls of the dead for magic-drinks out of them-Wonder if
1 It works
2 It transfers evil to amateurs like these
Entities in the minds of our leaders is an intriguing and tempting 2ay of explaining some of the things they get up to

MmAway M (519)
Wednesday May 4, 2011, 1:00 pm
Dande, Thank you for the news at site, I feel horrified that this went on, and while I never knew about the background on the Skull and Bones, and know do, I feel SICK! Sadly, can't star you, but this as well as your other news article is Star Crazy! Thank you for getting this out, never knew this at ALL!!!

jay way (11)
Wednesday May 4, 2011, 1:01 pm
SICK - -

Sheryl G (359)
Wednesday May 4, 2011, 1:12 pm
Thank you Marilyn for reading the article. Is why I put these stories on the news. This will not get main media play on the television the way it should. There is so much that the American people are unaware of on our history, that leads to policies being made today. These issues ineed to be exposed. How can a Nation move on, correct it's ways, if things like this are not made aware.

The skull is there, no one will "talk" about it, it's so secret.....another way of getting around it. Also the lawsuit was thrown out by the Judge based on technicality issues. Guess if you obtain an item from 1990 on that is a bowl then it must be returned, but if you have someone's Grandfather remains then you get to keep them, no matter what you are using them for.

Penelope, you are so correct, the amateurs either have no clue what they are doing, but the disgrace of their actions is falling back upon them and floods the lands they have rule over. Or they truly do know what they do and that too is sinister and this is also a reason we have the horrible policies of what they do on this land and around the world. Either way, the deal with darkness not the light.

Sheryl G (359)
Wednesday May 4, 2011, 1:18 pm
". . .When the last Red Man shall have perished, and the memory of my tribe shall have become a myth among the white man, these shores will swarm with the invisible dead of my tribe, and when your children's children think themselves alone in the field, the store, the shop, or in the silence of the pathless woods, they will not be alone....At night when the streets of your cities and villages are silent and you think them deserted, they will throng with the returning hosts that once filled them and still love this beautiful land. The White Man will never be alone.

Let him be just and deal kindly with my people, for the dead are not powerless. Dead --- I say? There is no death. Only a change of worlds." ~Chief Sealth (Seattle)At the signing of the treaty in 1855.


Henriette Matthijssen (154)
Wednesday May 4, 2011, 2:21 pm
Love your articles you post Dandelion! So informative as many are unaware of such a disgrace to our ancestors! Keep informing us as so many are ignorant of what took place in history & we need to know & be aware of the atrocities of the pass. We are all ONE & all connected!

Sheryl G (359)
Wednesday May 4, 2011, 2:50 pm
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Toni C (508)
Wednesday May 4, 2011, 3:09 pm
Noted... thanks for the article.

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Wednesday May 4, 2011, 4:04 pm

Being a hater of war, I HAD to add this:

“Fighting for peace is like screwing for virginity” ~ George Carlin

(I am so proud to have such a mutual devotee of truth, peace and justice as you, Sheryl, for a friend!)


MmAway M (519)
Wednesday May 4, 2011, 5:25 pm
Dande, again Thank you for the OUTSTANDING NEWS at site, a TON of people here in the United States need to know about this!

Sheryl G (359)
Wednesday May 4, 2011, 5:27 pm
George Carlin was a brilliant man.......his quotes were always spot on. Thanks for sharing.

SuS NoMail Plez P (244)
Wednesday May 4, 2011, 5:49 pm
Dandelion I was too shocked to comment on this particular HORROR after reading your last article. This ruling by Judge Roberts just baffles me!

"Roberts also
dismissed the lawsuit against Skull and Bones and Yale, saying the plaintiffs cited a law that applies only to Native American cultural items excavated or discovered after 1990."


Sheryl G (359)
Wednesday May 4, 2011, 5:55 pm
Thanks Susanne, we can see how justice is served, only starting at 1990....and if that will stick. Still doesn't give the family of Geronimo his remains back.

Caitlin M (104)
Wednesday May 4, 2011, 6:18 pm
I thought judges were put in the system to add a little humanity to the written word. The people who devised the system realized that the written laws cannot cover every aspect that needs to be considered in any particular case. That's why a person with a brain sits in the middle of our system to make decisions as necessary to make the law a just law. Too bad they didn't put judges with brains AND hearts into the system in most cases. Geronimo's ancestors deserve to have have their forebear's skull returned to them. Even if the cold-hearted white men don't believe as the natives believe, the native practices should be respected.

I also loved JC's quote by George Carlin... who succinct he was...and so right. Thanks, Dandelion, for keeping on with your efforts. Good work!

Animae C (508)
Wednesday May 4, 2011, 6:49 pm
"Democracy is a form of government in which all citizens have an equal say in the decisions that affect their lives. Ideally, this includes equal (and more or less direct) participation in the proposal, development and passage of legislation into law. It can also encompass social, economic and cultural conditions that enable the free and equal practice of political self-determination.
While there is no specific, universally accepted definition of 'democracy',[6] equality and freedom have both been identified as important characteristics of democracy since ancient times.[7] These principles are reflected in all citizens being equal before the law and having equal access to legislative processes. For example, in a representative democracy, every vote has equal weight, no unreasonable restrictions can apply to anyone seeking to become a representative, and the freedom of its citizens is secured by legitimized rights and liberties which are generally protected by a constitution."


Rosemary Rannes (642)
Wednesday May 4, 2011, 9:38 pm
After reading the article and every comment offered what rises in my heart is sorrow for the inhumanity and suffering caused to Native peoples and the injustice to this day supported by arrogant ignorant people who should know better.
It is so obvious that Judge Roberts was either paid off or simply exhibited his complete lack of integrity by dismissing the suit brought by Geronimo's relatives with a 'bogus' statement shown here in the article.
How despicable and shameful that cultural 'items' , bones from human beings were not always designated as Sacred...because that is what they are, that could be excavated before 1990! Just think about it! 1990 MORE THAN 100 YEARS AFTER GERONIMO'S DEATH !
" In 2010 Judge Richard Roberts granted a Justice Department motion to dismiss the suit. Geronimo's relatives, he said, failed to establish that the government waived its right not to be sued. Roberts also
dismissed the lawsuit against Skull and Bones and Yale, saying the plaintiffs cited a law that applies only to Native American cultural items excavated or discovered after 1990."

and this is just simply beyond anyone's comprehension and completely full of S _ _ _ !
Though Skull and Bones is often known as a Yale organization, the college has never officially recognized it. When President George W. Bush was asked on "Meet The Press" about Skull and Bones he said, "it's so secret we can't talk about it."

Seriously can't we at least petition Yale and also target President George W. Bush to at least voice our collective disgust? I will sign it !

The Native peoples across North America and Indigenous peoples everywhere, those walking on our Mother Earth have left and are leaving their Legacy, a Heritage and Culture so rich in respect and honoring all the sacred plants they use for medicine, their relations near and far, serve to teach us, sharing their Wisdom and that as we all know can never be stolen, dismissed in a court of law, abandoned or die. The Ancestors are like the stars, still shining in the darkness, showing the way and guiding those who wish to be the true Care Takers on this Red Road/White Path for as long as the waters flow . . . . . . .

Democracy today as we know it still is racially biased and it is up to us to this generation to make it right for the next, to stand up with courage and say as the Greensboro Four did by standing up for their Rights!
Equality today means not dismissing what historically speaks to us of merciless genocide against Native peoples and so many others, but to bring awareness through that suffering into an enlightened reality whereby we stand side by side as brothers and sisters to reform and renew and yes, even rewrite the past to the extent that 'organizations' like Skull and Bones and Yale are forced to acknowledge, pay tribute and apologize to Geronimo's family... Skull and Bones must be exposed for their cowardice!

Rosemary Rannes (642)
Wednesday May 4, 2011, 9:52 pm
the 'good old boys' club ... how about targeting Senator John Kerry !
Here's the list of all the 'good old boys' from Skull and Bones

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Wednesday May 4, 2011, 10:05 pm
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SuS NoMail Plez P (244)
Thursday May 5, 2011, 1:34 am
I am so pleased to hear so many comments by people with Heart,Soul,and Consciousness. I appreciate the education and Wisdom as well. Rosemary, Sioux, Caitlin ... eternal GRATILTUDE.

Past Member (0)
Thursday May 5, 2011, 4:55 am
Why they won't let that man rest in peace.

Arild Warud (174)
Thursday May 5, 2011, 7:21 am
Ignorance!!!! Thanks Dandelion.

Robert Tomlinson (62)
Thursday May 5, 2011, 8:05 am
The two "comments" above mine shows the length that some will go in order to make a profit. WHY-OH-WHY does Care2 put up with this type of advertising? Of course, this ties into the subject of how we have treated the true citizens of this land. Wywy L & Chanel A, you seem to be as callous as those who have no respect for the anything but making money. It must be a sad way to go through life.

Robert Tomlinson (62)
Thursday May 5, 2011, 8:07 am
OOPS Care2 removed the two adds. Thank you Care2.

Karen Walker (71)
Thursday May 5, 2011, 9:50 am
Sheryl, such a level of insensitivity by this particular group is a sign of the level of their ignorance and lack of respect.

ewoud k (68)
Thursday May 5, 2011, 10:40 am
Drawing parallels between these two men is shameful (for the one who draws them) and disgraceful (to Geronimo.


ewoud k (68)
Thursday May 5, 2011, 10:42 am
ok, I'm sorry, I took the wrong word: I meant disrespectfull to Geronimo.

Hartson Doak (39)
Thursday May 5, 2011, 10:55 am
Geronimo was an Apache leader in the 19th century. The 19th century, the last millennium, going on centuries, famous, honored by his former foes by using his name still to represent a heroic effort. His name as a rallying cry for every group effort. This is respect!!! This was not meant in any way to degrade him, his name, his people. Geronimo will forever live in the history of the US LONG after those he fought against are forgotten. Wait ! Who did he fight against? See they are already forgotten. But his name will live on and on.

Krasimira B (175)
Thursday May 5, 2011, 12:34 pm

Sheryl G (359)
Thursday May 5, 2011, 12:43 pm
Hartson, this isn't solely about the name this is about Geronimo's skull being taken by Prescott Bush, you know George W. Bush's GrandFather and placing his skull at Yale for their dishonorable ceremonies with his skull.

In no way is this respectful, digging up his bones and removing them from his place of rest. This isn't a rally cry, this is abuse of remains. I find nothing in their sinister removal of his remains to try to draw out his spirit or his bravery or whatever else they do with his skull as rallying or repectful. This is a disgrace.

Please people can we read the story before commenting.

Rosemary Rannes (642)
Thursday May 5, 2011, 1:40 pm
Dandelion in agreement with you and to provide historical background providing clarity regarding these discussions as well as to offer notations and quotations from FIRST PEOPLE i hope they all serve to further enlighten, educate and inspire us all.

Rita D (87)
Thursday May 5, 2011, 2:14 pm
Thanks a lot again Dandelion! I just noticed I missed this second link in your mail :( Thanks for this article my friend, it's very informative and educational but it saddens me a lot when I see how arrogant and insensitive those people are. The way they treat the Native American Indian Heritage is so disrespectful!!!

William Koeppen (9)
Thursday May 5, 2011, 2:40 pm
ITS a Shame They Used The" GREAT CHIEF GERONIMO'S "Name For Such A Piece Of Shit ,Like bin laden !!!

Alicia N (87)
Thursday May 5, 2011, 2:52 pm
Wow.......... GREAT post darling and the comments....... are fantastic (full with truth ) Thanks a bunch friends.....

Gillian M (218)
Thursday May 5, 2011, 4:33 pm
One of the best books on the subject that I ever read was "Bury My Heart At Wounded Knee" about 30 years ago. I had already realised that the Native Americans were abused but this clearly stated, clearly and concisely, the appalling treatment meted out by the American government and the white man. I found from this book, and subsequently, that Geronimo was a man of honour and greatness. His murder was never punished, he believed that the treaty was honourable and learned, too late, that the white man was not. Geronimo was a true warrior and leader.

Geronimo cannot be equated to the snivelling coward that Bin Laden was. He died as a coward hiding behind his youngest wife. Out of the many insults that Geronimo suffered this has to be one of the worst, the worst must have been the removal of his testicles as a tobacco pouch!

marie C (163)
Thursday May 5, 2011, 4:52 pm
Thank you Dandelion some wonderful posts here Gillians post brought tears to my eyes what intolerable suffering this honourable man went through
Love to dear SuSanne so good to have you back with us

Matloob ul Hasan (81)
Thursday May 5, 2011, 7:13 pm
Noted, thanks.

Mary Donnelly (47)
Thursday May 5, 2011, 7:22 pm
Thanks Dandelion G. Great post--better comments.

Past Member (0)
Thursday May 5, 2011, 8:40 pm
Clearly this was the wrong thing to do, and someone needs to make it right.

William Ford (1)
Thursday May 5, 2011, 9:00 pm
Oh Dear! Nothing new since revolt against England in 1774, all the top secrets right there against us all.

Past Member (0)
Thursday May 5, 2011, 10:54 pm
Thanks for the article Dandelion. I personally feel it's disgraceful and repulsive what Prescott Bush and his cohorts did!! Many members of Skull and Bones have moved up to higher positions of power in society. Most likely influential postions with the Council of Foreign Relations, Trilateral Commission, Bilderberg Group, among others. All of them has some connection to the Illuminati, which pulls the strings on world events.

Past Member (0)
Thursday May 5, 2011, 11:16 pm
The Native Americans have been mistreated ever since white men have established colonies on this continent. Look at this way. The so-called "savages" were most likely peaceful tribes until the greediness of some whites provoked the Indians enough to attack, and than roused up the settlers to defend themselves against these tribes. It's like a 'Glen Beck' or 'Rush Limbaugh' back in the colonial era stirring up trouble. Fast forward to 1970s to present day, we have real estate developers degrading sacred Native American burial grounds so that they can have a country club or whatever. I remember a commercial of an Indian Chief in tears as he sees his beloved environment disappear. I'm not Native American by descent, but that really touched me and I'll never forget that commercial. Well, I best conclude as I feel I'm rabbling on and going off on a tangent.

Diane L (110)
Friday May 6, 2011, 12:58 am
Okay, what did I miss here? I did read the article and fail to understand any connection to Bin Laden. The events mentioned (G.W.Bush's cronies in some secret society digging up Geronimo's remains) is disgusting, but I didn't see any ties to Bin Laden at all.

Kathy Javens (104)
Friday May 6, 2011, 5:38 am
Noted. Judge Roberts & anybody associated with this horrible incident should be ashamed of themselves. I wonder how they would like it if someone dug up the remains of one of their ancesters. This is one of the worst cases of disrespect and it saddens me to read of even more wrong doing to the Native Americans.

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Friday May 6, 2011, 6:18 am

Sheryl G (359)
Friday May 6, 2011, 7:48 am
Top line Diane L.
Geronimo was an Apache leader in the 19th century. More than 100 years after his death the Native American warrior's name is back in the news when it was revealed that "Geronimo" was the code name used for Osama Bin Laden while the U.S. special forces plotted to kill him.


Past Member (0)
Friday May 6, 2011, 10:17 am
There is one thought I do wish to express concerning using the code name Geronimo. President Obama was acknowledged of the code name just prior to the last stage of the mission. Couldn't he have directed the CIA to use a different code name? Also, is there a petition in the works that we can sign to hopefully assure that no Native American icons be used in future code names?

jane richmond (10)
Friday May 6, 2011, 10:57 am
This man deserves better.

wooddragon xx (88)
Friday May 6, 2011, 11:55 am
Cheers Dandelion...

Complete and utter disrespect...

Jimmy, that sounds like a good idea! Dandelion, is there a peition? Also, has an apology been made yet? I would have thought so by now. I have looked but to no avail. If this is the case, they truly are draggin their heels....

Friday May 6, 2011, 7:48 am
Top line Diane L.
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Carole Sarcinello (338)
Friday May 6, 2011, 12:22 pm
From Democracy Now!:
Native American Activist Winona LaDuke on Use of "Geronimo" as Code for Osama bin Laden: "The Continuation of the Wars against Indigenous People"

Past Member (0)
Friday May 6, 2011, 2:21 pm
Thank you Carole for the link! I posted the video clip on my facebook page along with a comment.

Past Member (0)
Friday May 6, 2011, 2:26 pm
Actually, it's the link to the Democracy Now website that had the video clip on the page.

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Friday May 6, 2011, 2:45 pm
Petition to: President Obama U.S. Senate & House Of Representatives The American Indian community demands an apology from President Obama to include U.S. Senate and House Of Representatives for allowing the code name "Geronimo" represent international terrorist Osama bin Laden.
The association of Geronimo's name to Osama bin Laden is yet another degrading slap in the face to American Indians from another president and our federal government who waged an "unnecessary holocaust war" against American Indians in the forming of the America we have today. True American history shows Indians were never an enemy of this country. American Indians had every right to stand up for their true home land, way of life, freedom, civil liberties and right to self govern.
Geronimo is an American Indian hero, an American Indian civil rights leader icon in U.S. history. President Obama would not dare allow the name Martin Luther King, Jesse Jackson or any other prominent African American name be associated to Osama bin Laden. This one point alone being made goes to the heart of demanding an apology from President Obama as our country's Commander in Chief.
President Obama's gross oversite in allowing Geronimo's name to be used representing a mass murder terrorist Osama bin Laden, calling for the destruction of America is another dark day in American history branded on the American Indian community and totally unjustified. An apology from President Obama will not change history, but a public apology from President Obama has to be part of that history for future American generations and people around the world to fully understand the plight of American Indians, their service and patriotism to our country.
History note: The federal government is setup and based on the foundation of American Indian Nation governments, so stated by U.S. Senate resolutions honoring Native American Indian Heritage Month of November. Federalism, separation of government powers, freedom of speech to include the Indian word caucus were home grown, and in use by American Indians and their gift to all people of the world willing to stand up for their human rights.
Mike Graham, Founder United Native America Citizen of Oklahoma Cherokee Nation and U.S.

Sheryl G (359)
Friday May 6, 2011, 3:42 pm
Thank you Carole for finding this petition and posting it here.

wooddragon xx (88)
Friday May 6, 2011, 3:43 pm
Thank you Carole of the Democracy Now link, it has furthered my knowledge.

When you view the bigger picture you can only say that this is discrimination of the highest disrespect. Using these names Black Hawk, Apache Longbow and Tomahawk as missiles and other military weaponry is disrespectful, offensive and insulting. What is worse, is that it has become completely inbreed and ingrained so deeply within American society, that it just rolls off the tongue without a flicker of any compassion, empathy, knowing or understanding to the real/true meaning of what those names signify to the Native American People. Their is an American proverb... ‘Loose lips sinks ships.’ I think they are running out of ships. And maybe they should be thinking of a better American proverb and that is... ‘It is never too late to mend your ways.’

And if you don’t mind I would like to quote Winona LaDuke. "The reality is that the military is full of native nomenclature,” says LaDuke. "You’ve got Black Hawk helicopters, Apache Longbow helicopters. You’ve got Tomahawk missiles. The term used when you leave a military base in a foreign country is to go 'off the reservation, into Indian Country.' So what is that messaging that is passed on? It is basically the continuation of the wars against indigenous people."

In Peace...

Past Member (0)
Friday May 6, 2011, 3:48 pm
I signed the petition as #904 with a comment. I'm a white man proud to stand for Native American issues. I hereby sign this petition.

wooddragon xx (88)
Friday May 6, 2011, 3:53 pm
Thank you again Carole for the petition... :0)

Signed 905.

in Peace...

Sheryl G (359)
Friday May 6, 2011, 4:06 pm
Also good piece on Democracy Now.....thank you both Wooddragon and Jimmy. The disrespect has gone on so long in this Country towards those of American Indian heritage that so many don't even recognize it when it hits them in the face. It has just become so acceptable, it almost like, "hey, what is the problem."

So many want to excuse it, sweep it under the carpet, and worse try to make it into an honoring somehow. I am grateful for all those who did understand it, for 2 days I have been trying to explain all of this over and over in various versions and ways to those who still don't "get it" and it was very frustrating and painful I am going to say, I know some said not to take it to heart but this is my heart so it does go straight to the heart. Is always easy to say when it isn't the legacy of your family history.

Past Member (0)
Friday May 6, 2011, 4:12 pm
Wooddragon ~ Yes, I agree with your following statement..."What is
worse, is that it has become completely inbreed and ingrained so deeply within American society, that it just rolls off the tongue without a flicker of any compassion, empathy, knowing or understanding to the real/true meaning of what those names signify to the Native American People." Perhaps there should be a required course for all Americans to take starting at the elementary level and on through college. That would be "Sensitivity 101: Think Before You Speak". It could also be offered in company workshops and seminars, senior centers, immersed in classes for new citizenship, published in books and pocketbook guides, and addressed in our churches.

Past Member (0)
Friday May 6, 2011, 4:16 pm
I will keep you in my prayers Dandelion.

Sheryl G (359)
Friday May 6, 2011, 4:23 pm
Excellent idea Jimmy and the history books also correct would help. I thank you for your prayers, at the end of the day, before I went to Dreamtime I did pray with the sweet grass and spoke to Grandfather and all of the Helpers to let me shed the weight of this. To ask that the eyes, ears, and hearts of all people be open to the truth and the light, so all of us can live in harmony among our brothers and sisters. Aho.

wooddragon xx (88)
Friday May 6, 2011, 4:51 pm
Thank you Dandelion... I have been sitting on this side of the computer wanting to give you a big hug. I have truly felt for you... you wear your heart on your sleeve about your history and it is what you are passionate about. This is what keeps us all going; we need those fires ‘up our bums’ to kick start shifts of changes within society, onward to a better level of understanding.

All our knowledge begins with the senses, proceeds then to the understanding, and ends with reason. There is nothing higher than reason. ~ Immanuel Kant

And thank you Jimmy for your kind comment and yes, sensitivity is lacking in society and throughout our governments. I too am guilty of losing my sensitivity especially when people are ignorant, racist and immoral. Maybe, I should go on your course, Jimmy?? LoL :0)

In Peace...

Past Member (0)
Saturday May 7, 2011, 6:39 am
Noted, thanks. Poor choice, disrespectful on several fronts.

Jaclin S (230)
Saturday May 7, 2011, 1:17 pm
Dis-Respect of a Great Warrior's Memory - a man who fought for his people a very wise man. TY Dandelion for the post.
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