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ReThinking Columbus Banned In Tucson

Society & Culture  (tags: Rethinking Columbus, Book Banning, Schools, Education, American Indian, Native American, indigeneous, struggle, history )

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We need to hear from those whose lands and rights were taken away by those who "discovered" them. Their stories tell of 500 years of courageous struggle, and the lasting wisdom of native peoples. Is key to understand the same injustices happening today.


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Sheryl G (360)
Friday January 20, 2012, 12:29 pm
It is a dangerous thing to be banning books that document historical information.
I've been wanting to get this book, now is the right time I think to support the ones who have written it.
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This is all part of the overall process that is going on in this Country to stop people from THINKING. The Powers to Be don't want you to THINK. They want you to remain complacent, spoon feed you what they would like you to know, and then control your lives from cradle to grave.

The understanding that comes out of books such as this isn't dangerous to us, it is dangerous to the status quo, the ones who hold the power and have made the messes we are all living under. To learn what has taken place on this land is to understand what is currently taking place on this land, not only to the American Indian people, but now to all who live under the cold calculated regime of the Super Elites. The book isn't titled Rethinking by accident.

Penelope Ryan (178)
Friday January 20, 2012, 12:31 pm
I believe this is a result of the ban on euthnic studies due to the fact it was all about Mexican Americans. A group involved in this was teaching that this is Mexico. I think that is why this all came about. They were inciting the young, flag burning etc. Seems to me the truth should be taught about the history, no matter what group gets offended. Not sure about all of this but from my own perspective I feel this is why. Just so Mexican Americans don't say itis discriminating, which is stupid.

Sheryl G (360)
Friday January 20, 2012, 12:53 pm
That may of been their reasoning behind it, but instead of banning all minority studies, including the First Nation people, they should speak to the individual teachers they thought were teaching things wrong. I don't think we want a war again with Mexico over land, but again, history is history, and the teachers perhaps need to be pulling in dignity, healing, and understanding with the coarses.

Perhaps the teachers were, and we can't control each individual who runs out there burning a flag. What is worse, a few flags get burned or we loose a real teaching moment, again fault other minorities for something that some other individuals did, instead of addressing the individual incidents. This Country was sent to Iraq on Lies by White Men, killing many of our citizens who were soldiers as well as a million Iraq people, should we eliminate all studies of history that concerns white men?

Past Member (0)
Friday January 20, 2012, 2:01 pm
As usual "flag burning" (a symptom of civil unrest) is considered "the problem".
Those charged with the responsibility of maintaining a civil society are unwilling to investigate and correct the real problems.
This is what happens when the "problems" are charged with solving themselves.
Blame is lavished on all those who complain while those responsible never accept responsibility.

Barb GONE (1694)
Friday January 20, 2012, 2:22 pm
Thnx Dandelion, noted!!

Patrick Donovan (344)
Friday January 20, 2012, 2:34 pm
In a state where WWH is dangerous, this does not surprise me..

(WWH - walking while Hispanic)

Jim Phillips (3247)
Friday January 20, 2012, 2:59 pm

Tucson's school board is banning books on race and Latino history.

Tell Superintendent Pedicone and the school board to reverse the ban and reinstate the Mexican American Studies program.


Ty, Dandelion.

Jim Phillips (3247)
Friday January 20, 2012, 3:06 pm team 

Dear Friend,

Last week, the Tucson school board outraged the nation when they cancelled its high schools' Mexican American Studies program and forcibly banned a series of books dealing with race. The reason? Apparently teaching respect for other cultures amounts to "racial hatred" and is in violation of Arizona's statewide ban against ethnic studies - passed in conjunction with SB1070.

Since the news broke, the school board has been catching heat and there is a chance they'll allow the books back in the classroom, but they need to know the we're watching.

With Latino students in Tucson making up more than half of the student population - educators, parents, and students are fighting back. Can you sign this petition to Superintendent John Pedicone and the school board to reverse the decision to ban the books and reinstate the Mexican American Studies program? I just signed myself.

Arizona has been ground zero for attacks against immigrant and Latino families, creating a hateful environment where it's acceptable to attack Latino youth in a place where they need affirmation - their classrooms.

Tucson's Mexican American Studies program gave Latino students a sense of dignity and connection to their own history and other students were offered an insight to a community that is a huge part of the local culture but all too often demonized.

Students in Arizona are fighting to keep these programs in spite of the wave of anti-immigrant hysteria in the state and now they need our help in keeping up the fight.

Can you sign this petition to Tucson Superintendent John Pedicone and the school board to reverse the decision reinstate the Mexican American Studies class?


Here are some links about this:

Tucson students confront loss of their Chicano studies class, LA Times, 1/11/12

Tucson says banished books may return to classrooms,, 1/18/12

Save Ethnic Studies in Arizona, Facebook Page

Ty, Dandelion.

Stuart Thomas (497)
Friday January 20, 2012, 3:16 pm
It is sad when an eye-opening book such as this one is removed from a classroom. Presumably, schools are for learning critical thinking and for providing a learning environment in general, not for coverups.

Daniel Partlow (179)
Friday January 20, 2012, 3:52 pm
I don't believe we should be banning ANY books. While I do think the truth should be taught in schools people have a right to read and write what they want. I certainly don't want anyone telling me what I can or cannot read! And I do believe we screwed the American Indians and that we should at least be honoring the treaties we originally made with them. We have not even given them back the lands described in the original treaties.They are the original Americans and as such should be afforded every curtesy and rights the rest of us are supposed to have. Unfortunately don't hold your breath!!

divergent r (309)
Friday January 20, 2012, 4:00 pm
wow.My disgust is enormous. Imagine how it feels to know that you are in this bigoted small minded state?

Mary T (178)
Friday January 20, 2012, 4:44 pm
What kind of mindset does this tell us about the teaching of our children when they can only learn from what someone else tells them is alright to read and learn, Why cover-up the truth by banning books, Thanks Dandelion.

Sheryl G (360)
Friday January 20, 2012, 4:47 pm

Thank you Jim for taking the extra step and bringing us this petition and information and I thank Richard who brought my attention to this matter to begin with.

LeMoyn Salmonsen (88)
Friday January 20, 2012, 5:13 pm
LeMoyn S, New Mexico, you'all jus caint fix stupid. And stupid is in charge until we stop it. Occupy

Past Member (0)
Friday January 20, 2012, 5:58 pm
Signed the petition, thanks Dandelion. Savonarola burned books too--"Bonfire of the Vanities". Later he and 2 others were suspended from chains over a flame in the same spot in Florence as the book burnings...and they suffered the same fate as the books. Ultimately all Truths will be all.

Shelli S (374)
Friday January 20, 2012, 6:04 pm
No single person or school board, should have a say on what we can and can not read...Banning any book, can and will tarnish what is truth and what is fiction. We should be able to decide, for ourselves, and not from what some misguided book or teacher, wants us to believe. Reverse the ban.
Petition signed, noted and thanks for posting Dandelion

Sheryl G (360)
Friday January 20, 2012, 7:47 pm
Olivia strange you should say that. Along with the message I sent to my friends on C2 that are linked to me I had this quote.

"Where they burn books, they will ultimately also burn people."
Heinrich Heine

TomCat S (127)
Friday January 20, 2012, 8:11 pm
The problem is that whenever history does not suit Republicans, they try to reinvent it.

Caitlin M (104)
Friday January 20, 2012, 9:33 pm
Let's not make this a partisan question. Suppression of information comes from all factions, and it is BAD no matter who does it. What a shame this country is turning backward so quickly after it turned a corner and elected a black man. Is it backlash? It's been going on for a while, so probably not. I'm again ashamed of this country. After Bush, I thought that feeling would diminish. No such luck. Thanks, Dandelion. To educate re the suppression of information is certainly what must be done and once again, you are bringing it to us. Kudos, woman!

Susanne R (236)
Friday January 20, 2012, 10:13 pm
Why is it always Arizona? They appear to be surrounding themselves with an iron curtain --not allowing any independent thinking to cross their borders and keeping ignorance and narrow-minded thinking within them. What are they afraid of? I may live in one of the most highly-taxed states in the country, but I'm grateful that our school systems and local governments respect the fact that we can think and make decisions for ourselves and our children.

Signed and noted. Thanks, Dandelion!

Arild Gone for now (174)
Saturday January 21, 2012, 1:37 am
No wonder so many Americans are ignorant and banning books will definitly not help.If you don't know your history you cannot avoid to make the same mistakes over and over again.
Thanks for posting this Dandelion,signed the petition by the way.

tammy B (52)
Saturday January 21, 2012, 5:01 am
But Arizona was colonized by Mexico (and Spain and the US), just ask the original inhabitants. And so was New Mexico, Texas, California.....maybe the book banning is a reaction due to guilt... what ever the cause and who ever champions the idea of book burning does not bode well.

tammy B (52)
Saturday January 21, 2012, 5:08 am
noted and thanks D.

Caitlin M (104)
Saturday January 21, 2012, 7:15 am
I returned to thank Tammy for a green star...Thanks, Tammy. And now I've checked out Parsifal's info on ACTA above. Good grief! We've just made a little progress on stopping SOPA & PIPA in the US and now we MUST get involved in putting away this international ACTA agreement. It's a back-door approach to the same constraints, if not even more so, .as the SOPA & PIPA. It will give the participating nations rights that can made the same disgusting censoring or infringement upon our sites, including the development of generic drugs! Good grief, why don't they just take out guns and shoot us. It would put us out of our misery a lot faster...but that would be too pro person, instead of pro corporation and der fuhrer(s)!

patricia lasek (317)
Saturday January 21, 2012, 9:20 am
Signed the petition to stop banning books.

Are we living in Hitler's Amerika now?

Past Member (0)
Saturday January 21, 2012, 9:33 am
life has value beyond measure
Peace and Love

Cynthia Davis (340)
Saturday January 21, 2012, 10:55 am
Signed TY Dandelion & Jim

Robert O (12)
Saturday January 21, 2012, 11:47 am
Thanks Dandelion!

Shan D (49)
Saturday January 21, 2012, 12:56 pm
Why is the US (in general) so afraid of learning its own real history? This reminds me of another conversation I had about Mormon missionaries... I don't mind talking to them, but I find them appallingly ignorant about their own history and that of North America in general. It's as if the American school systems teach that inbetween the Crucifixion and Columbus, there was NOTHING going on in the world! NOT ONE Mormon missionary I've ever talked to was aware that Columbus was not the first European to set foot on this continent - The Vikings beat him by 500 years!

Canada has shameful deeds in our history - our treatment of the Chinese who helped build the railroad, kidnapping the Aboriginal children and forcing them into residential schools and punishing them for trying to hold on to the smallest scraps of their own culture/language, and the forcible removal of Japanese-Canadians to the BC interior during World War II. But we acknowledge these deeds and don't try to BAN any books that make clear that our history is not as pristine as we would like to think.

James E (16)
Saturday January 21, 2012, 12:59 pm
Far-right conservatives at their best, banning books with a different viewpoint.

Thomas Andrews (6)
Saturday January 21, 2012, 1:14 pm
Banning books will never banish the truth. It will only indicate how facetious and sick they have become.

Fred Krohn (34)
Saturday January 21, 2012, 1:41 pm
Somebody needs to go and read Ray Bradbury's 'Fahrenheit 451' to learn why book banning is a filthy business of treason. I've already 'rethought' Columbus; it's why I celebrate my millennium-past countryman Leif Ericson and his settlements in east-coast Canada instead of 'Columbus Day'.

Barbara K (62)
Saturday January 21, 2012, 2:01 pm
Arizona has such a hate-filled government that it's a wonder they haven't banned themselves. After all the only true American is the American Indian. Let's boycott Tucson, or maybe even all of Arizona. Thanks, my friend.

Gary L (138)
Saturday January 21, 2012, 3:15 pm
thanks dandelion the truth will set you free but first it wil piss you off

Kit B (276)
Saturday January 21, 2012, 4:03 pm

When I was in high school at the end of the year we were given a list of books that would be banned for the next year. I just loved that list, it would be the line up of the first books of summer reading.

We don't need to ban books or ideas, we need to face history directly. We should learn from the past mistakes so, perhaps we can plant seeds of caution from future mistakes. History does repeat itself, it just appears a little differently as time goes by, only by fully appreciating yesterday can we prepare for our tomorrows.

Phyllis P (237)
Saturday January 21, 2012, 4:11 pm
I don't even have to read this to say this: that's what "they" do. "They" hide the truth to keep a certain group of people down, so they can never do or be in a better financial and economic state then they are right now. I think it is pretty damn sad. Tell the truth and let people decide for themselves. Oh but wait then "they" would be declared "guilty" in the public eye. And we can't have that, now, can we?

Christopher Fowler (82)
Saturday January 21, 2012, 4:41 pm
Tuscon would probably ban "Lies My Teacher Told Me" from their libraries, too. It dispels all of the ethnocentric lies that we are taught in the public and private school systems about our own history by those same school systems.

Jim Phillips (3247)
Saturday January 21, 2012, 4:50 pm

Isn't John McCain a senator in Arizona...

Maybe that is why Arizona is so messed up...

Ty, Dandelion.

Lois Jordan (63)
Saturday January 21, 2012, 6:12 pm
Thanks for the petition link, Dandelion--sorry I can't send you another green star yet. I've been a Tucson resident for nearly 30 yrs. and am outraged what the Republican leaders are doing to our state. This racist garbage initiated in Phoenix, and now it's creeping into Tucson. There are a lot of angry people here, and our voices will not be silenced.

Hartson Doak (39)
Saturday January 21, 2012, 6:17 pm
When my son's came home from school and told me that Columbus discovered America, I corrected them. I told them that there is history and then there is the truth. "Who was on the shore waving when Columbus dropped anchor?" There is the history answer that you give the teacher. Then there is what really happened..

Matloob ul Hasan (81)
Saturday January 21, 2012, 7:49 pm
Noted, thanks.

Robert Tomlinson (62)
Saturday January 21, 2012, 8:20 pm
Dandelion, thanks for sharing this information. It is amazing that people are so blind to the truth. This is especially true when it comes to republicans. Not only is criticism of Columbus not popular, but they are silent about other events in history. For example, they talk about our forefathers in glowing terms, but will not face up to the truth about the ways the native Americans were treated by them. There are other historical events that should embarrass them, but many are in denial. Heck.....they are even in denial about our current problems.

W. C (7)
Saturday January 21, 2012, 9:28 pm
Thank you for the information.

. (0)
Saturday January 21, 2012, 9:49 pm
Knowledge is power. We need the many sides of an issue, not just one side. I am all in support of this book and what it tries to teach.

Past Member (0)
Saturday January 21, 2012, 11:16 pm
Oh, dear. You ask me, Columbus was discovered by America.

Patricia E G (54)
Saturday January 21, 2012, 11:19 pm
This reminds me of a personal story ... We had just moved into our new home in VA. It was night and the house was cold. My dad wanted to use
the big pig belly stove but had no pre cut logs so he decided to burn some
of his old paper back sci fi books of which he had hundreds of. He pulled
over a box of books and started throwing them in the fire. He got to
Fahrenheit 451 and I said "Oh no dad, you can't throw that in... and quick
as a whip he replied " It's O.K. I've got another copy.

Diane L (110)
Sunday January 22, 2012, 1:44 am
We let The National Enquirer be sold, and there should never be books banned in schools that deal with history, even if they are a bit biased. It's the duty of the teachers to explain those things to the students. I read recently (in Care.2) that The Tea Party in Texas wants any refrence to slavery removed from books because it "disrespects" our "Founding Fathers"..........WTH?

Columbus didn't "discover" anything. He was lost, actually. Remember,he was trying to find India, I do believe?

Teresa Cowley (274)
Sunday January 22, 2012, 4:16 am
Signed "Stop Banning Books"--this should be criminal!!
Signed the petition against ACTA--had never even heard of it before.
Thanks for the info on both these petitions.
I don't believe in banning any books--nor do I believe others have the right to tell me what I can and cannot read.
I think, being a widely and beautifully diverse country, rich in numerous cultures, we need to experience some of as many of these cultures as we can--the good parts, the bad parts, even the truly horrific parts--it's all part and parcel of us. No culture is all good or all bad, it simply is--and it's served to make us who we, collectively, are--a once proud and great nation.

tammy B (52)
Sunday January 22, 2012, 7:51 am
Roger, what an unfortunate discovery that was for America....

Sharon Balloch (127)
Sunday January 22, 2012, 9:28 am
I just love it when they ban books.. then folks just can not wait to read it.. talk about it.. write about it.
I rethought Columbus long ago.. but sounds interesting..

pam w (139)
Sunday January 22, 2012, 9:47 am
Fits right in with the Tennessee movement to ban teaching the history of slavery.

I'll be happy to buy a copy of this book and start it circulating in Arizona.....

Lauren F (0)
Sunday January 22, 2012, 12:12 pm
I'm against banning books.

Sheryl G (360)
Sunday January 22, 2012, 1:38 pm
What happened to Parsifal's info on ACTA? I have not been on here much due to other obligations but I did want to check out what they left. I is gone!!!! I'm search into the link that came to me on this. I did not ask for it to be removed. This story was about book banning now we have comment banning on information given on this thread.

Past Member (0)
Sunday January 22, 2012, 3:24 pm
Petition signed.

Past Member (0)
Sunday January 22, 2012, 4:59 pm
Thank you. My ancestors were chiefs in Chesapeake and the only men who survived and sold land not stolen outright. All by three had been burned alive within 2 generations of Captain John Smith landing on their land. This is merely a trend followed by Columbus and his file rancid men who raped, murdered, tortured, stole from, terrorized, mutilated, dismissed as being objects to abuse....

Deborah B (72)
Sunday January 22, 2012, 11:45 pm
I was raised on 'fairy tales' and at this age continue to seek out the truth of it all.I spend a lot of time watching foreign broadcasts, discussions, programs that include Asia, Europe, Africa, the Middle East, Russia and Latin America. I have lived in other countries including a military dictatorship. Here we 'pixelate' everything. If you want a better grip on what is going on here, watch over there and they will help explain it to us. Thanks, Dandelion. And as a former educator, I can only imagine the frustration of those still in the classroom. I refuse to join the DAR and will not bear the sins of my 'Confederate Fathers' as I had nothing to do with it and was not raised with that sense of self or identity. I see that Tennessee, their home, is now to ban any mention of slavery in texts.

Angelika R (143)
Monday January 23, 2012, 2:54 am
Signed with comment -I am outraged at this! But not too surprized given it's in AZ ^^- Thanks much dear Sheryl
"This sort of action could easily become the first step to burning books like seen here in Nazi Germany. I demand you stop banning immediately and grant free access to everything and the full truth in history!"

lee e (114)
Monday January 23, 2012, 7:32 am
Love the comments, thanks for posting Dandelion and Jim Phillips - signed the petition and felt just a little bit more "sour" toward AZ, if possible!

Sheryl G (360)
Monday January 23, 2012, 7:43 am
I do not know why Parsifals comments were eliminated, they contain no bad words and only information. So I place on here again, hope they stay.

Excuse me Dandelion, I MUST comment on a new peril - After SOPA/PIPA we have ACTA !
To read more and take action, follow me to my next comment.
Wer have been distracted again Dandelion.
We were loking to the threats of the book burners PIPA and SOPA and in the backgrounds, for years they were working to establish ACTA !

Sheryl G (360)
Monday January 23, 2012, 7:47 am
Here are the rest of comment that Parsifal left.

What's ACTA? The abbreviation "ACTA" stands for the proposed plurilateral trade agreement, "Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement".
(Global Internet Censorship)

The participating nations or confederations of states indicate that the fight to try to improve against piracy.
The supposedly growing problem of counterfeiting and piracy should be tackled better with the agreement.
The secret negotiations have been running since 2008 and is expected to be completed this year.
The participating parties are to Switzerland, the U.S., EU, Canada, Japan, Korea, Singapore, Australia, New Zealand, Mexico, Jordan, Morocco and the United Arab Emirates.

For over two years now the ACTA agreement is being negotiated. It is pushed by the G8-countries and some befriended states under secrecy.
Its effects will concern us all.

We demand the stop and a transparent publication of the negotiations.
There are strong indicators that ACTA will interfere fiercely with the civil liberties of every citizen.

E-Petition STOPP ACTA if you click !

Diane L (110)
Monday January 23, 2012, 7:48 am
Yes, McCain is from Arizona, and so is Gabby Gifford. Just heard she's resigned. What a shame.

Anyway, good points, Deborah B. We have to use a bit of fantasy sometimes, and there's nothing wrong with "fairy tales" when little kids are concerned, but we do have to teach them the differences between Little Red Riding Hood and reality at some point in time.

I don't agree with everything as far as continued suggestions to "give it all back" to whomever originally lived anywhere, or think about the chaos if every single area of the planet had to be subjected to doing just that? I doubt there would be anything left unaffected. However, we should also not "forget" that at one point in time, somebody else was the "owner" or resident where we are now living, if we want to say it belongs to anyone at all. I know Russians settled where I live 150 years ago, so should everybody in my community move out and give it to them? I DO, though, enjoy reading the history of this area, and why the Russians came here, and what they did to settle here, and hope nobody tries to tear down the landmarks that they left or say somebody else came here first.

Sheryl G (360)
Monday January 23, 2012, 7:50 am
Parsifal's other comment below. I placed this story on about Book C2 is Comment Banning??

An open letter to humanity about "our" self-appointed leaders

"They still live in the ancient world.
In a world built on destruction and suffering.
They strive for greed and power.
They are Indifferent. Vindictive. Denying. Punitive. Abusive. Disuniting.
They have no respect for other cultures and go along the motto create enemies, divide and conquer.
Values ​​such as Love. Peace. Joy. Sanity. Willingness. Neutrality. Courage. Truth. Integrity are an abomination.
They hate the values of people who strive for the highest values ​​of humanity.

We should shake them off like leeches of yesterday, get rid of all their impact to our lives.
We should not pay any more attention to their way-too-long-lasting greed and crimes.
We do not need them but these need us to keep on doing their misanthropic deeds which already became boring.
We no longer will squander attention to them.
We have learnt your lesson.
But the world and so we have changed.
Yesterday is gone and we live today.
Go to the moon you self appointed elite caste, here we can't need you anymore among united human society !"

Sheryl G (360)
Monday January 23, 2012, 7:54 am
Dianne L. this isn't about returning things to where they were one thousand years ago, but it is about learning the CORRECT history, so that in our TODAY'S these same mistakes do not happen over and over again. If we see the roots of the issues we can then apply it to our todays, and too many people do not get the correct history but the fairy tale version or as I say, the ones who do the conquering get to write the history, which is not about showing BOTH sides. ReThinking Columbus is all about showing the "other" side of history that is not told, which then gives the student a better understanding, and they can then make, in hopes, better choices and decisions today.

Helle H (21)
Monday January 23, 2012, 1:49 pm
Maybe banning the book will be good. That really makes people want to read it to learn something.

Sheryl G (360)
Monday January 23, 2012, 4:01 pm
Yes, a little reverse psychology. Except many don't realize the book necessarily exists to begin with. Is why we still celebrate Columbus Day because people DON'T know they celebrate a mass murderer, sadist, slave trader and child pedophile......not a so called "hero" I want to give celebration to.

Sheryl G (360)
Monday January 23, 2012, 4:03 pm
Whoops not sure why the hot link didn't work....oh I see forgot one little <

Yes, a little reverse psychology. Except many don't realize the book necessarily exists to begin with. Is why we still celebrate Columbus Day because people DON'T know they celebrate a mass murderer, sadist, slave trader and child pedophile......not a so called "hero" I want to give celebration to.

George Marshall (1)
Monday January 23, 2012, 4:35 pm
Like it or not, the School Board is elected to ensure that the curriculum meets the needs of the students. If the school board decided to 'ban' the book, they must have had reasons - which are not presented in this one sided article. In a free society. the students should have access to all information, but sometimes there is not time to cover every aspect. I would like to hear the other side of the story before I make a judgement.

Richard Smith (81)
Monday January 23, 2012, 4:50 pm
Thanks Sheryl,
I'd have responded sooner,but we've been involved in creating material for Wyandot language classes here in OK.
It is so difficult ,so hard to reclaim our ceremonies,our songs, and our language after so many years of overt oppression through the boarding schools and also by recruiting our children as fuel for the military complex.
People are turned from a matriarchal paradigm to a vastly different competitive patriarchal paradigm.
To undo deep imbedded assimilation is often like waking up a comatose patient.... it takes lots of patience,
and ne has to be ready for the bitterness when a tribal member finally awakens and realizes what had happened to their minds.

The banning of books is an indication of political paranoia. Reminds me so much of what i've read about Mao's China and how the people slowly ,little by little, gave in to it, until people were outdoing each other by ridding the country of threatening material of the arts. They were terrified lest they be reported by their neighbors.
it could happen here...already we can feel the anti hispanic bias,and its just an indication of more to come.
Now every Hispanic is viewed as a possible illegal...who will be next?

Sheryl G (360)
Monday January 23, 2012, 4:50 pm
It's easy Dominent Culture once more doesn't want the "other" side of the story told. So there is the judgement.
Is easier to "ban" the truth.

William Y (54)
Monday January 23, 2012, 5:33 pm
My comment from the site:
One of the problems with banning of material is that the wealth of information, is thrown out. Particularly when the banned material corrects previous mistaken ideas. One must learn from past mistakes, not continue to enforce them so someones "toes don't get stepped on." What is "true" today may be found to be false tomorrow. Knowledge is not dogmatic, it is flexible and must change as better data is found.

Diane L (110)
Monday January 23, 2012, 7:02 pm
Well said, William! Richard, I agree with most of what you said as well, except that in the case of Hispanics, they have brought a lot of that on themselves, simply because facts show that they ARE comprising a high percentage of the illegals and involved in activities which include, illicit drugs, cartels, murder, etc., s unfortunate as it is, there are going to be cases where innocent and legal citizens are asked to prove their I.D. and/or innocence. It happens with other groups as well, INCLUDING whites, just because somebody "happens" to look like someone else, however, "profiling" is just a given as long as we don't all look the same. So, if those who value their heritage want to continue to look, speak, and act as their ancestors always did, that's a risk they'll be subjected to, unfortunate as it may be in many cases.

Diane L (110)
Monday January 23, 2012, 7:11 pm
(cont)...........I guess I could have made this one LONG comment, but oh in my area, there are many ethnic/racial groups, many of which have been "profiled" by police and judged not by what they are doing, but by what they look like or where they happen to be at "the time". Example is John T. Williams, a Native American wood carver, who just happened to be crossing a street, holding a carving knife and a piece of wood. Overzealous SPD cop yelled at him to "drop the knife" and 7 seconds later, shot Mr. Williams 5 times for "non-compliance"/ We all have heard about this story, right? The cop is now no longer a cop, and MOST of us think he should be in jail for a long time. Mr. Williams was basically a martyr. Dozens other similar stories, and yes, one involved a white guy, beaten by a group of BLACKS simply because he was white and in THEIR turf. A Philippino man was beaten to death recently by 3 Blacks because he was said to be "gay".

This is all digressing from banning books a bit, but the point is that people believe what they believe because of what they read,what they hear and how they're brought up. If books were banned because "somebody" felt it gave the "wrong" story, or covered up something they didn't want revealed, then where does that stop? Do we continue teaching our kids what was taught 250 years ago? Look at India...........they are committing sexual genocide because it's always been "that way" and nobody wants to talk about it being done, it's illegal, but it's "just is". If it isn't talked about, or written about, then they don't have to "fix" it, right?

Nancy C (806)
Tuesday January 24, 2012, 9:01 pm
I compare this to my own childhood. The one complaint I have is that the whole truth was not discussed about much of anything! Learning should begin with children. Not just statistics and "good" stuff. They should begin to learn gently that life and history is organic and sometimes not happy. I learned scary stuff from Disney. Too bad.

Sheryl G (360)
Wednesday January 25, 2012, 7:20 am
Rethinking Columbus is about not teaching the history of east moving to west but is teaching how those who lived in the west, starting at the Atlantic coast, saw history play out upon them. It not about teaching anyone how to do anything "wrong" it's about how this Country was actually so called settled or to others conquered.

I think when we begin to understand the various ways of looking at things we become more open to think on how things are going on in our todays. We are so easily led into wars, as the people of the past were told of how savage the First Nations people were, when their villiages were raided, their homes burned, the women and children killed along with the men. Now most Americans would say, no, we can't do that to the American Indians, yet we are told of Lies to go into Iraq and once more bombs rain down on innocent women and their children, homes destroyed, and we are told they are terrorist. We don't rise up to slow the war machine so that all facts are fully considered, it is pushed upon us, we meekly accept it, and off we go....later to find out it was not as we were told, but it's too late to bring back those who died be it our soldiers or those who were born in the wrong place at the wrong time.

We still have Christopher Columbus, a slave trader, child pedophile, mass murderer as someone deserving a National Holiday. Why? Why do we celebrate and honor such a dispicable human being, can our Country not find more Honorable people to give a National Holiday to? But the torch is passed from one generation to the next of people who do not question why we honor these individuals, yet we are quick to point out others who honor people or events we see as not fitting, or too violent......while we do so ourselves.

Isn't it hypocritical that we do so? Maybe if we truly looked at the history from standing on another place along the circle, instead of always standing on the east side of the circle we stand on the west side of the circle and take a view from another direction, see another angle on things, then we will all be the better for it, then maybe we can have better critical thinking skills, and make better choices in our daily lives, and stand up to false and failed past policies that are being tried.....again.....but now with a better knowledge it will not be so easy to pull the wool over our eyes.

This is why it is critical NOT to ban these books.....this is also why the Elites and the Powers to Be.....find it critical TO Ban the books.

RosemaryRannes HusbandHospitalHome (650)
Friday January 27, 2012, 10:30 pm
Dandelion we know TRUTH IS TRUTH ! Native Americans, First Nations and all indigenous peoples know who occupied their 'home and Native LANDS' since time began.
To continue to teach what is false is arrogant and evil because it demonstrates an unwillingness to admit mistakes were made, to the extent that people's lives and cultures were annihilated!

Thank you Sheryl for spelling it out clearly .. i stand in agreement and solidarity with you.
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