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You Have Seen Their America - Now It Is Time You Stood Up For Your America

US Politics & Gov't  (tags: Rocky Anderson, Justice Party, Free and Equal, Presidential Debates, October 23, October 30, Choice )

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Sheryl G (359)
Tuesday October 23, 2012, 9:10 am
Free and Equal Debates

Thursday, October 23 & Tuesday October 30 -- Free and Equal Election's Alternative Debate will be available live online, streaming from Free and Equal on Oct. 23 and Oct 30 at 9:00 PM EST. The first of thses two debates will include Jill Stein from the Green Party; Gary Johnson from the Libertarian Party; Virgil Goode from the Constitution Party; and Rocky Anderson from the Justice Party. More information at Free and Equal Debate

Past Member (0)
Tuesday October 23, 2012, 11:17 am
Excellent video, noted. Some people are quite harsh in their assessment of the Green Party and the Justice Party; some have even called them a joke. But the only joke is the one played on the American people every four years when they limit themselves to choosing between the two parties that accept hundreds of millions of dollars in corporate campaign contributions. Not a single word about the biggest threat to this nation and this planet, climate change, was uttered last night. Drilling in the Arctic will go ahead. Pipeline construction will continue. War in one form or another will continue. The exploitation of the people and of this planet will continue. The people have the power but apparently don't know it. This nation can change on a dime if the people just demanded change loud and clear and en masse.

Jae A (316)
Tuesday October 23, 2012, 12:56 pm
...and I for one will do all I can, starting the day after this election, for those in the Green Party and the Justice Party. I think they should unit as one party ...The Green for Justice Party..or something to that effect. :-)

Jae A (316)
Tuesday October 23, 2012, 12:58 pm
I am serious in my belief that in 2016 one or the other parties mentioned above can win the election. It will take support yes..but it will also take a lot of funding for either one them to rise to that level against the current Dem/GOP corporate corrupt party systems.

Russell R (87)
Tuesday October 23, 2012, 3:57 pm
Rocky - it is too, late for him in this Election, but, he has 4 years to get the word out for 2016

Jim Phillips (3247)
Tuesday October 23, 2012, 4:15 pm
I would love to have seen a debate with ALL candidates for POTUS.

Unfortunately, our "system" does not seem or want to work that way...

A shame... A very serious shame...

Ty, Dandelion.

Angelika R (143)
Tuesday October 23, 2012, 5:29 pm
Thank you Sheryl for this video, nicely put together in a quite professional way, adding the necessary power to his rather soft, gentle voice. But in fact it was THAT VOICE which instantly attracted me when I first heard him.
It mirrors so well his anti violent character and all what this man stands for.
I am pleased to see that Jae has the same idea as me which I already commented in Brian's thread, they should indeed bond to one party and pick up that helluva fight they'll be facing with combined powers. They can make it.
If YOU don't want him or them, please SEND THEM HERE.

Angelika R (143)
Tuesday October 23, 2012, 5:56 pm
That'll make another night for me staying up, hope I can last through. But I did see and hear him last night at least.

Angelika R (143)
Tuesday October 23, 2012, 6:09 pm
???? MUST we subscribe to them??? It says Video is not available. :-/////

Sheryl G (359)
Tuesday October 23, 2012, 6:40 pm
Sorry Angelika just checking back. No you don't need to subscribe to anything. I did do so, but I'm not watching it through my email address, I'm watching if off the link I gave above. Here it is again. It's suppose to be worldwide. It is a great program glad I'm watching. Lots of information the hour before the debate.

Angelika R (143)
Tuesday October 23, 2012, 7:54 pm
Well it wasn't all that free and equal to me here in Germany, no chance, video remained unavailabe. but thanks to C-Span I caught the debate and got a different and better impression than from Amy's show.
Going by the standing ovations in the end one can hope for good support for these candidates/parties.
As opposed to a video appearence Jill did not seem quite as self confident in a live debate, perhaps just nervous.
But Rocky was brilliant and very convincing, something I would also credit to Gary Johnson, even if he perhaps overdid a bit. That 3rd guy, Goode(?), was extremely hard to understand for my ears-gee what an accent. Very interesting question about amendment and equally interesting (and surprising) their answers!
Very good show, thx again Sheryl and Brian for letting us know.

Angelika R (143)
Tuesday October 23, 2012, 7:56 pm
FIVE am, I am really going to blow some zzzs now-good night friends.


Angelika R (143)
Tuesday October 23, 2012, 8:04 pm
Sheryl, your links above both did NOT make the video available to me, although i was on their website. The player remained black with that info it is not available. your new link above now-which has a different target (= stream, where it said "live" or "RSVP"on the other 2 links) gets me to the runoff vote which I better not do ;-) (though tempted to)

Sheryl G (359)
Tuesday October 23, 2012, 8:07 pm
Bless your heart Angelika, I wish more of the American people would of tuned in. But many did, so we will keep pressing on. Just a comment about Gary Johnson, I'm not sure it that is how he normally is, but he said in the first hour before the debate that he was sick. In fact he said as sick as he's ever been, so may have something to do with it.

Jill Stein I think was very tired, that also was discussed before the debate, she had done a tremendous amount of traveling the 48 hours before and had done several "red eyes". That may explain about her. Indeed, Virgil Goode, is a real Virginian accent, southern. You know you leave the north and hit the south once you are in Virginia. Gee, didn't know you had C-Span, glad to know that, and I only realized towards the very end of the debate it was on there as well, by reading the commentors below the live feed.

john byrne (50)
Wednesday October 24, 2012, 4:51 am


Sheryl G (359)
Wednesday October 24, 2012, 5:23 am
Wow, what a good night! I didn't write more last night as I was getting tired (Angie what a trooper you are!) and I did want to savour it all in. These people were a breath of fresh air. They were all very respectful towards each other, I like the looseness of it, warts and all, it seem REAL not polished like some Corporate event.

I also liked the hour before the debate where each Candidate got to sit with a 4 panel of people, the woman who is in the charge of Free and Equal, Theresa Amato, the woman who wrote the book Grand Illusion The Myth of Voter Choice in a Two Party Tyranny, Thom Hartmann a progressive Radio Talk Host, and I'm afraid I can't recall the last man. Each Candidate got to sit at the table for 5 or 10 minutes and just speak freely on a variety of topics but the discussion certainly revolved around the way are elections are handled.

Whether you are voting for 3rd Party or not, or had no idea who you wanted to vote for this was an educational and certainly needed program for the American voter.

Sheryl G (359)
Wednesday October 24, 2012, 5:38 am
Don't forget.....October 30th will be another debate for two Candidates, depending on who got the most votes from the viewer audiance out of the 4 that were speaking last night.


In what some are calling an obvious sign that America’s election system is broken, Qatar-based broadcasting company Al Jazeera announced it will be airing the US opposition Presidential debate. In contrast, the alliance of US media outlets continues to enlist a strict media black-out of independent and opposition party candidates and will not air the otherwise widely-viewed event.


Sheryl G (359)
Wednesday October 24, 2012, 6:44 am
If you had watched last night on the Free and Equal John you may or may not of liked the other two candidates that also were with Jill Stein and Rocky Anderson. Frankly it was refreshing to have straight talk and not beating around the bushes.

Dana B (139)
Wednesday October 24, 2012, 8:05 am
He could be a great President, but unfortunately in our America it's a waste of a vote

Sheryl G (359)
Wednesday October 24, 2012, 8:17 am
This is the propaganda that keeps telling you to spread that propaganda. If someone could be a good President, as you say, then you should vote for him.

A vote going to someone you don't feel is really the most qualified is the vote that is wasted. You say in our America, then MAKE it YOUR America! You will not do that by voting over and over again for the Corporate Owned America Candidates.

People, you need to really start some critical thinking here. You can't change the way it is if you are not willing to break the chains that bind you.

Angelika R (143)
Wednesday October 24, 2012, 8:48 am
John may not know that Gary Johnson was a republican and long time governor of NM before running for the Libertarian party for president. He came along quite powerful and energetic in the debate and as a lawyer knew what he was talking about. I for one wish him well with his lawsuit against the CPD.

Kit B (276)
Wednesday October 24, 2012, 9:10 am

I like Gary Johnson, Buddy Roemer, Rocky Anderson, Jill Stein... and more. I do believe there is something very wrong with the system that only the major parties --- the MONEY parties are allowed a place in the debates.

Open them up, make them follow the rules of debate, no one gets extra time, no one gets questions in advance. If you are running for president you should already be prepared for any question. Turn the debates back to the charge of the League of Women Voters, they know how to handle debates.

Was anyone surprised when Mitt was the nominee for the republicans? I didn't think so...

My state is not the only state that has only two on the ballot. We call that democracy?

I wonder how many people even know they really have a choice, how many people would prefer honest, open debates if they even knew it is possible?

Get the Money out of Politics, and please get it out of Congress. Close down K Street, we have NO need for these lobby's. Put religion back in the church, companies back in their offices and keep their money OUT of legislation. --- Rant finished! ---


Sheryl G (359)
Wednesday October 24, 2012, 9:51 am
And a good rant it was Kit, thank you.

Jae A (316)
Wednesday October 24, 2012, 10:06 am
When the rightwing U.S. Supreme Court Justices appointed our President in 2000 any remants of democracy in the country went away with their doing so. Then to top it of that same court gave the corporates the green light to buy all within the two party system.... It's an uphill battle now to try and return it once again...doing so against a all too long now...two party system having control of everything to do with our government. I don't see how anyone that can call a system such as ours now 'a democracy' when it has all the ear marks, by defination, as a fascist police state.


Nancy L (141)
Wednesday October 24, 2012, 10:25 am
IMHO, all candidates should have the same amount of money to campaign.

Kelly F. (0)
Wednesday October 24, 2012, 10:38 am
I don't want to be a negative voice. I agree that our 2-party system is broken and that Citizens United has made it considerably worse. I agree that 3rd party candidates are valuable and their voices should be part of the national coverage and the election story. I worked for the Jerry Brown campaign in 92 and, despite seeing Ralph Nader divide the Democratic vote and put Bush in office in 2000, I supported Dennis Kucinich's campaign in 2004. But 2008 was different. The groundswell that carried Obama into office included these same voices and issues I am hearing in these threads. In fact, I see very few differences between Obama's positions and those of Rocky Anderson: Health Care, Woman's Rights, Marriage Equality, Wall Street Reform, Corporate Personhood, School Vouchers, and yes Campaign Finance Reform. Simply, I do not condemn Obama for playing the game well. One can do infinitely more in office than from the outside. And I do believe he has and will continue to do what he can to move the country in these positive directions in the face of blatant obstructionism. Just thought it needed saying.

Mike M (8)
Wednesday October 24, 2012, 10:59 am
In American equality is only for those with power and money because they are very afraid of what could really happen to their happy life.

Angelika R (143)
Wednesday October 24, 2012, 11:30 am
You cannot currently send a star to Kit because you have done so within the last week.

If any of our German registered parties (thank god we have a democratically elected coalition government)would take donations from any side that are NOT officially registered they'll have a lawsuit on their butt. That is what had happened to chancelor Kohl back then, the scandal about alledged "black cashboxes" and the long lasting investigation in it. Our opposition parties are keeping close eye on such attempts, so does the media.

Sheryl G (359)
Wednesday October 24, 2012, 11:38 am
Thank you Kelly for your input, the breaking point for me was when President Obama did not do away with the Patriot Act and in fact signed in the NDAA. I don't care how wonderful all the other things he has done or not done at this point, NO ONE, signs my rights away and gets my vote.

There are other reasons for my not voting for Obama and I'm all over the various threads expressing those reasons, but the main one is the NDAA. I was trying to look the other way on other issues, tryng to see if he had some type of strategic plan, being patient with the Democratic President as the Republicans were nipping at his heels and are still putting roadblocks in his path, I really was trying to give him much benefit of the doubt. But that was final straw and we all have our breaking point, that was mine.

Too many people died in the Revolutionary War to go in a new direction, too many have died in various military actions all along the way, to have one person sign away all of our rights. I cried over my WWII Veterans Fathers grave when that happened, my late husband who served in VietNam, my son who currently serves in our military. I can't look in the face of any Veteran who has served and go ahead and vote for someone who signed the NDAA nor the Republican Party that is also tearing this Country apart.

Many Veterans lost their lives, their limbs, and/or their sanity, the least I can do is to not approve of this tyranny. To place my vote with either the Republican President or a Democrat President tells them I approve. I do NOT!

Sheryl G (359)
Wednesday October 24, 2012, 11:49 am
We Need You...
Please Watch Video

Below is a quick guide of where Rocky is different from Obama and Romney. There are differences. Check it out.
The Differences Between Rocky Obama and Romney

Pamela D (16)
Wednesday October 24, 2012, 12:42 pm
i will watch this hopefully later on tonight. Thanks for making it available.

Christopher Fowler (82)
Wednesday October 24, 2012, 1:18 pm
3 and a half minutes that I will never get back.

It would help to show us what he plans to do to implement all of those things and how he plans to go about it. This is just 3 1/2 minutes of political advertising without any real substance. Exactly how is that different than all of the other political advertising from the other guys?

Romney has a's a horrible plan, but at least he has one.

Obama has a plan. it isn't perfect, but it's better than Romney's.

The real difference between this ad and the ones from the major political parties is that they, at least, say HOW they are going to get things back on track.
All that this did was say, in a loud and long way is: "I have goals, but I am not giving specifics to any of them.". Actually, that is not really too different from what Romney is doing.
It isn't that I disagree with what he claims to want, just that, if you can take 3 minutes to make a point, the least you can do is to fill that 3 minute long politics sandwich with a little "meat".

Some of us are not swayed by smoke and mirrors......we want some facts, plans, "how is it going to get done" kind of information.

Sheryl G (359)
Wednesday October 24, 2012, 1:42 pm
Christopher, this was only to bring the people to the Debates and to Rocky Andersons website. A lot of people do not even know there are other choices. No in 3.5 minutes one can't cover an entire platform and how they will do it.

Come on, Christopher, I've seen you give much better comments that do no insult intelligence. Obviously I wouldn't use this video if it was meant to do more than direct traffic.

There still is the debate on October 30th and go to the links below for more information on Rocky Anderson.
The Crumbling State of the Union
Vote Rocky Official Website

Jane H (139)
Wednesday October 24, 2012, 1:51 pm
Noted....but to defeat Romney has to be our #1 priority, and a 3rd party is not helpful in this 2012 race.

Sheryl G (359)
Wednesday October 24, 2012, 2:07 pm
It would be very helpful if everyone would vote 3rd Party that could, meaning their State allows 3rd Parties. Frankly I don't see how either the major two parties are to our benefit, but ok, I hope whoever wins we are the better for it. If not, I hope you all remember this for the next election and not sing this same worn out song. This ping pong game between the red team and the blue team has me sick.

Wednesday October 24, 2012, 3:06 pm
Noted, my friend.

Janet R (38)
Wednesday October 24, 2012, 4:53 pm
I would love to vote for Jill Stein and I will very seriously consider the Green Party in 2016 but it is critical that Romney doesn't become president. Even though I am not happy with Obama on many issues, he is still a better bet than Romney. In my mind, a vote for a 3rd party candidate, is a vote for Romney. I can't wait until this damn election is over. I just hope we don't lose the Senate.

Sheryl G (359)
Wednesday October 24, 2012, 5:18 pm
Fear has this Country crippled. True progress is when we break the chains that bind us.

. (0)
Wednesday October 24, 2012, 5:39 pm
Noted & Twittered. Real change can only come when you change the system and that system doesn't want to change and will do its best to crush or assassinate anyone who threatens it. Try taking away control of the American currency from the FED like JKF. That's probably one of the major reasons he was muredered. It was a shitload of money lost to the Elites. LBJ turned around once he was inaugarated and took JFK's new American dollars out of circulation; declared them null & void and reinstituted The FED's control which is why the US dollar says property of the Federal Reserve and not the US Treasury. You're still paying 17 cents on every dollar issued into private foreign bank accounts. Who really controls America and Canada for that matter?

Kelly F. (0)
Wednesday October 24, 2012, 5:51 pm
Dandelion, I do appreciate your points and your efforts to move us forward. But I feel that our country is sorely worse off due to 8 years of George W Bush, and the Green Party is largely responsible for his election. Nader's argument at the time was that the two parties are essentially the same and it didn't matter which held the office. I wonder if in hindsight you believe this. I believe our current situation would be vastly different if Gore had won (wars, supreme court members, financial deregulation, and from those, the recession itself). Romney himself may or may not be as conservative as he's acting, but the men behind the curtain are, and we will lose any progress Obama has made. Yes I fear a return to Republican policies and priorities. And every progressive vote for a 3rd party candidate will take us in the opposite direction of those candidates' stated positions.

Past Member (0)
Wednesday October 24, 2012, 6:01 pm
I'm with you Sheryl. When BO signed away our rights to do process under the Constitution, it pretty much negated any good that he's done, at least as far as I'm concerned. I don't think that most people even understands what that means.

Past Member (0)
Wednesday October 24, 2012, 6:05 pm
Anderson-Stein 2016! Let's make this a grassroots movement to end all grassroot movements!

Sheryl G (359)
Wednesday October 24, 2012, 6:40 pm
You are correct there MJ M. I don't think MOST of the Americans realize what has happened with the NDAA. I do not believe they have "got it" for I can tell by the comments not only on this thread but in other places on C2. I will not bow to the ones who chained me for by placing my vote against their name is the same as doing so.

Is good to see you are back. We got to do something MJ M. it seems that those of us who fully understand this, we see there is a window we can open. But too many that are held captive in fear, like the deer in the headlights just are not seeing that window of opportunity. I hope it isn't too late by the time they do.

I'm not sure what progress Obama has made, the Patriot Act extended? The crack down on medical marijuana? The NDAA? The 4th bail out to Wall St., The Extended Bush Tax Cuts? Drones killing innocent people and making us more enemies? The first President to NOT go through Congress before going into a major military event? Illegal spying on us? Still in Afghanistan for what and more troops sent in? The Glass Steagal has yet to be returned, no one on Wall St. held for the economic crime they caused. Those who torture are forgotten.

I'm at a loss here. What progress have we made? Remember it was the Democratic Bill Clinton that signed off the Glass Steagall that allowed the banks to go crazy. CitiCorp was standing there and received one of the pens. Yes, the Republicans have made horrible decisions but so haven't the Democrats. Wow, because one of them have us going into a wall at 100mph and the other has us heading there at 80mph I should be happy with that?

As I said, I'm at a loss here. These people must be seeing something I'm missing. I see INDEFINITE DETENTION, now that scares the heck out of me! And neither of the two major parties will remove it, but the 3rd parties want to.

Gloria Morotti (14)
Wednesday October 24, 2012, 8:16 pm

Judy C (91)
Thursday October 25, 2012, 1:10 am
Thanks Dandelion for this, and for your steadfast support for Rocky Anderson. I've been somewhat cowardly, thinking of voting for Obama as a lesser-of-the-evils sort of strategy. I'm afraid of what will happen if Romney wins. I am leaning toward voting for Anderson or Stein now, though. It's going to take a lot of courage and hard work if there's any hope of turning around the cesspool that is for $ale in Washington. I'm afraid this is our only hope, and we have to risk Romney driving us the rest of the way to Hell in the handbasket which is accelerating daily.

If anyone is having trouble finding the video of the debates, I just posted an article that includes the full video, preceded by some very good commentary with various interviews, well worth watching, I think. The video does have a click you can use to go straight to the debates. Find it here:

Third Party Candidates Add Fresh Perspective to Debates


Past Member (0)
Thursday October 25, 2012, 1:19 am
One of my choices on the state ballot was a Green politician. I wish the party much luck!

Gloria H (88)
Thursday October 25, 2012, 9:29 am
I really wish we could have a 3rd party. However, this election is too close for comfort, we have too much to lose. Could Mitt be worse than Bush? I don't want to find out. Fingers crossed for Obama.

Evelyn W (15)
Thursday October 25, 2012, 10:29 am
I watched the debate on the 23rd.I will also watch on the 30th.I would not have known about them without your post,so a great BIG thank-you.At the moment I am not sure.I consider Romney such a dangerous man.He must be stopped at all costs.

Roger Skinner (14)
Thursday October 25, 2012, 10:38 am
Until a third party has enough of a base to start electing people to Congress, they will be nothing more than curiosity items and footnotes in history books. Having a presidential candidate is little more than a publicity stunt for them.

Past Member (0)
Thursday October 25, 2012, 11:10 am
If Obama is re-elected, is it possible that Americans will go right back to the apathy that brought us to where we are now? How many of you ‘Dems’ will care enough about solving the real problems, even when it means leaving the Party long before the next election? Could it be that a Rmoney in the White House would be the only thing that shows the depth of America’s plight? Like I've said before, the thought sickens me, but will someone please tell me how else we might break this endless cycle of stupidity in America?

ROCKY ANDERSON, Justice Party: The corrupting influence of money in this country is at the root of every major policy disaster. It's why we don't have health care for all, as in rest of industrialized world.
It's why we aren't providing international leadership on the climate crisis, because all the corrupting money coming from the fossil fuel industry.’

Past Member (0)
Thursday October 25, 2012, 11:22 am
Republicrats or Dempublicans, is this America's destiny?

Kelly F. (0)
Thursday October 25, 2012, 11:41 am
For better or worse, we still live in a democracy. If by some miracle Rocky Anderson could be elected, he would still face a country where 45% of the public and the majority of Congress are Republican and would fight/obstruct on these very same issues. Unless I'm mistaken, the growth of the Green or Justice parties would predominantly cannibalize from the Democrats. So we would "progress" by having a handful of 3rd party congressional seats and a filibuster-proof Republican super majority. Dandelion, please walk me through your vision of how we survive this change.

Past Member (0)
Thursday October 25, 2012, 11:46 am
How do we survive if not?

Sheryl G (359)
Thursday October 25, 2012, 1:09 pm
We would first of all being having a LEADER in the White House using this time to LEAD. He can start talking to the American people the TRUTH! There are some Democrats that want to be more bold but they are fighting single battles, with a spokesperson at the helm, they could then add their weight to the matter, others if election reform could come about would be able to enter and give us a true Democracy. Surviving the change would be far easier than survinging the continued decline we are in.

Too many are in the Stockholm syndrome, the Two Parties have captured the American people and once in awhile they make you believe there are truly new guards. But they are still guarding you and keeping you in chains. We must break the chains that bind, true freedom opens many doors. I'd rather be surviving that then going down with no fight at all.

Thank you Evelyn for at least watching and using your critical thinking to take all matters in. That is one of the reasons I put this on here, to at least allow people to know there are other options and if in the end you still choose to go with the red or blue party at least you KNEW you had other choices. Too many are feeling stuck in it's either the red or the blue team. When I tell people here in Florida they have other options, their faces light up! Believe me they are both Republican and Democrats I speak to and many were not even going to vote at all. How can that be a bad thing, to give people a chance to vote towards someone and a Party that makes more sense to them, rather than staying home or to vote for someone they really don't care for but feel it's all they have to choose from. That to me IS the Democracy you speak of Kelly.

. (0)
Thursday October 25, 2012, 1:31 pm
Thanks Sheryl and amen Jim. I would have loved to have seen debates held in a town hall and questions posed by the average Jane and Joe and not the shill who just goes with the script. Too risky I suppose..:)

Christeen Anderson (300)
Thursday October 25, 2012, 1:38 pm
Excellent video. Thank you for sharing.

Past Member (0)
Thursday October 25, 2012, 1:44 pm
Kelly, how can you say it would be a miracle if Anderson were to get elected in 4 years? It would seem that with that attitude, it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. How about we all work together to make it happen in 4 years?

When Rocky created the Justice Party in Dec of 2011 people said there wasn’t enough time to get it done in 2012. With 4 years until the next Presidential election in 2016, I’m wondering what excuse those people will have for their inaction now.

Sheryl G (359)
Thursday October 25, 2012, 2:49 pm
Is true MJ M, Rocky and the people who are helping him have done a marvelous job in a very short time. That is not a Party even a year old, and back then people were saying that they'd be lucky to get on in any State that fast and he is on a lot of States. He has risen to be a contender next to the Green Party that has been around since the mid nineties.

Obviously there are enough of us who did something to get this far, which means there are a lot of people who are ready and eager to break out of this two party duopoly that now exists. IT CAN BE DONE! But the American people need to take their Power back that the Corporations now hold. How can WE ever get things moved to what WE want with two Parties who do not listen to "WE The People" anymore.

We've tried working with those two Parties and all we get is worse. Those two Parties work for the Corporations, period. Is why they do things that don't help us or don't make sense to us, because they don't make policies for us they make it for the Banksters, Wall St., Corporations of all types.

There are some exceptional people within the two Parties that haven't sold out, like Dennis Kucinich, but even he isn't running anymore, he can't, his voice isn't at all listened to. Olympia Snowe is leaving the Republican Party, she said the same thing, and she was a moderate on her side. Her brother ran for President with the Democratic ticket, so she is a team player but these teams don't at all play anymore unless it is what the Koch Brothers, Exxon, or the members of Alec wants.

WE need a Party for US......and we have one, called Justice Party. Economic Justice, Environmental Justice, and on and on, we don't have any "Just" anything right now. We get it crammed down our throats whether we like it or not. They only look at the polls to see who is going to win, but the polls have been telling them many things we all want and they don't do any of what we want. They are not going to do what you want, because it isn't what the Big Money People want, they throw everyone a few crumbs and everyone accepts that, as well that is the best that can be done.

No it isn't! People forget how great we could be, the people around the world use to look to this Country as a Beacon, and now everyone who lives in this Country is so conditioned to say, "well I guess I must accept the lessor of two evils." That is pretty pathetic that we have allowed that thought to be mainstream. I know we can do better, but we have to break the chains that bind us first.

Lois Jordan (63)
Thursday October 25, 2012, 7:02 pm
Noted. I agree that the system is broken and the 2 parties are vaguely different on foreign policy, and vastly different on social policies. One purpose of the Occupy movement was to show that---(while hopefully speaking truth-to-power and showing the divisiveness within the country and police state actions destroying our 1st amendment rights). I believe there should be many more than 2 candidates at the debates. I would like to see a 3rd party win a presidential election in the future.
Dandelion, you're doing a big service to all of us by informing us and explaining your views--I agree with you 100% on NDAA, the Patriot Act and the Tax Cuts...among other issues. Those choices just grated against my Progressive-Humanist soul. I also deeply disagreed with the Afghanistan "surge." The choice not to prosecute any member of the Bush Regime or Banksters just further alienated me. Seeing the poll numbers at 47% to 47% tells me that just maybe....many of those people don't like either candidate and are voting 3rd party or writing in a name.
Although 3rd parties still aren't popular in my neck of the woods, we will have some on our ballot...more than previously--and they take part in local debates. There are many problems--one of the biggest being funding, which they could really use to put out their own ads. We're swamped with political ads from the 2 parties--any ad from a 3rd party is unfortunately just drowned out. I think we need to get the constitution amended to nullify Citizens United, publicly fund elections, & reduce the amount of time devoted to them. I've previously stated that is working on this and now has, I believe 90-some American cities that have signed on. They are pushing members of Congress to put forth a bill.
Meanwhile, I believe the best way for 3rd parties to grow is from the ground up. We need to make this movement stronger locally, until everyone is aware they're "not going away." So many would hop on board if they knew these parties were growing a strong base. In fact, I believe that this year is a great year for these 3rd parties--just awhile ago, Jill Stein was interviewed on Spitzer's show on CurrentTV. They've all got to be able to get their messages out through the media. The only way to do this is for the voices to continue to be loud and reach the masses.

Sheryl G (359)
Friday October 26, 2012, 11:34 am
If any of the 3rd Parties can get at least 5%, they get matching funds which they can use for upcoming elections. It is a big help for those parties like Justice Party who isn't taking Corporate donations more than $100, so the Party isn't owned by any Corporate doner.

But that does mean, that these Parties depend a LOT upon the individuals to do the best they can to get the people informed and motivated, and that would be at all levels, local, State, and Federal. I assume one of the two major Parties will win, I've seen too many Progressive people say....."but_______"fill in the blank for a reason why a 3rd party can't win. However, they fail to see each one of them is a drop and added to the other drops, if they all just turned their backs on the main two Parties you'd see an amazing thing happen. But my indicators is too many are in fear of what if the "other" Party gets in.

As an Independent many of the people off of C2 have no idea where I stand party wise, and so they talk candid to me and I "listen" then I bring up how about a 3rd Party, because be they a Democrat that is speaking to me or a Republican, most of them are not "really" happy with their Party nor the Candidate. But each one will tell me, but "I have to vote R or D Party because I absolutely can't let the other Party win. It is amazing to see the actual "fear" in their eyes and speech, the Republicans are just as fearful as the Democrats that the other side will get in.

You know this is how they control us, FEAR. The Democrats think, "oh I'll breath easier if Obama wins for they will destroy this Country" and the others are thinking "I'll breath easier my Country will not go into the Socialist hands and be destroyed" and both sides are full of FEAR.

FEAR is what is controling most of the people in this Country. Fear. I've moved away from the fear. I am now going in another path, and simply by doing that instead of fear I have excitement, hope, encouragement, now and I when I speak to others that are going to 3rd Parties, and not necessarily Justice some are the Green Party, they too are like I am. They has this same mission, that even if we can't convince everyone today, we are paving the road for a better tomorrow. We ARE the grassroots, we have thrown off the chains that bind us! Mentally it is an extremely, and I mean an extremely uplifting feeling.

We do hope more will join us, sooner the better, but in the meantime we go forward. It will take a long while to get a Constitutional Amendment for Citizens United, and with the two existing Parties mostly bought out, that is a long shot, but one that we must keep heading towards. More Independents in like Bernie Sanders and fewer of the other two Parties it would stand a better chance being ratified once it got to that place.

Oh, as a side note, I get DAILY phone calls in this "swing State" of Florida for my opinion. I'm one of the people a poll is gathering information in. Most they calls leave no room for a 3rd Party answer, it is, "if you would vote today who would you be more inclined to vote for, push 1 for Romeny, push 2 for Obama, and push 3 for I'm not sure or still undecided. Well 1 and 2 isn't my answer but neither is 3, for I KNOW who I'm voting for but they don't have a push 4 for "other party"......only 1 did, with the numerous calls that I get each day. So even the polls will not allow you to answer correctly.

And thank you for your kind words Lois. I appreciate it, for when you are 3rd Party it is really being out there on a limb. lol But I've heard many times we are the pesky mosquitos that keep reminding the other Parties, and does in directly push them or nudge them to do better or make needed changes.

Diane L (110)
Friday October 26, 2012, 11:30 pm
I agree that those representing other poitical parties should be included in debates. It is unfortunate that most of the time, they're considered WHACK-O's who don't stand a chance and are simply trouble-makers. In a way, that is true. Pat Paulson ran for President 3 times, I believe, and each time it was a known joke. He didn't expect to get elected and said exactly that. His goal was to point out holes in the platforms of the two major political party candidates. Ross Perot was more serious, but there again, all that is accomplished is that votes for these guys just takes away from one of the two major party candidates. So, let's say one doesn't like either Romney or Obama, so they vote for one of the ones in this article. All that will happen is fewer votes for Obama, which will increase Romney's chances.
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