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The Islamic State Part I

World  (tags: Sunni jihadist, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, al Qaeda, Islamic State, Islamic State of Iraq and Syria, ISIS, Iraq, Syria, US weapons )

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The Islamic State, a hardline Sunni jihadist group that formerly had ties to al Qaeda, has conquered large swathes of Iraq and Syria. Flush with cash and US weapons seized during in Iraq, the Islamic State's expansion shows no sign of slowing down.


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Sheryl G (359)
Thursday August 7, 2014, 6:16 pm
I am in no way against those of the Muslim faith, however, these are very radical extremist and I feel it is very important to know what is going on. Extremist in any religion or group is dangerous. I place things onto C2 to be educational, my last posting of humanitarian postings about Gaza and the children being killed had some basically telling me I was against the people in Israel, or passing propaganda. I'm not sure how posting a UN report about a humanitarian health crisis is propaganda, but oh well......guess for some it is. I stand for justice no matter where it is, I stand for human rights no matter where it is. Therefore, this isn't against a religion as it wasn't against a religion when I posted the carnage upon the people of Gaza, but it is news, and we must in fact think about what our actions, and other Countries actions, do to create more problems in the long run for many people.

They say this group started in is now known that the beginnings of the civil unrest in Syria were in fact intensified when a Government ignored the pleas of it's people, farmers mostly, that were suffering from drought caused by global warming, caused by actions by some Corporate interests only. Things that are being done by Corporations, Bankers, the Plutocrats that do not take into factor how and what they do is affecting others, animals, our global environment.

Our involvement in Iraq, an invasion we didn't need to do, a war based on lies, caused that Country to go into chaos and became unstable. A puppet leader that didn't take into consideration all of the people in Iraq left the door opened for this group to move into Iraq as well. Again, things done that were not in the best interest but for a few who thought they'd capture the contracts of the oil among other things. Once more our weapons in hands of ruthless people. Make no mistake, even al Qaeda finds ISIS, now morphed into the Islamic State as too ruthless for them and made a separation from them.

There is cause and affect and I think it's way past time to start to place into all of our minds what the American Indians use to follow. Before one does anything how will it be affecting someone 7 generations from now, it is a training of the mind that must come back, to stop thinking only about today but to truly look down the road into the future, so we can avert, as much as possible problems that do not have to be created by lack of taking a time to think, ponder, reflect, ask the wisdom of others so on and so forth.

Okay, here it is......I present it as news. Try to keep comments towards each other in a "caring" way, address these people or this group and not wrap everyone under the same umbrella. Remember not all black people are great dancers, and not all tall people play basketball, so not all people are this are that......same holds true for anything.

Animae C (508)
Thursday August 7, 2014, 6:53 pm
i prepared myself & watched but nothing can prepare the mind for these horrors.
If there is such a thing as hell, it's here on earth, where these crazed people roam.
i will eventually watch the rest of the series to educate myself but first i need a long break from this one.

Thanx Dande

Animae C (508)
Thursday August 7, 2014, 6:59 pm

".... and we will raise the flag of allah in The White House!" What the... ?!?!?!?


Carrie B (306)
Thursday August 7, 2014, 7:36 pm
I agree Sheryl. This is beyond horrific. I have no words to describe the dreadful things being done by these extremists. There is too much extremism from so many different groups all over the world ~ including here ~ that one has to wonder if there is any hope for the human race.

Rose Becke (141)
Thursday August 7, 2014, 7:52 pm
I agree Dandelion and Carrie I also need a break AniMae

Sheryl G (359)
Friday August 8, 2014, 5:01 am
I know it's a powerful video to watch, difficult, but this camera man and the reporter, a western reporter at that, was given a special permission to be embedded within these dangerous people. They came out with film that actually takes us inside and among them.

An extraordinary feat to be able to gain this permission and live to present it. Therefore too important a video not to share. Thank you members for taking the time to view, we need to know what we are dealing with on these particular extremist.

The USA has already sent over humanitarian airdrops to people, around 40,000. who ran to the mountains to escape with their very lives. Reports were that this ISIS were going to massacre them all due to the fact that they are minority of a very ancient religion. These people have no food or water; the heat can get up to 125F, reports stating that people were already starting to die from lack of water. Kurds are trying to smuggle some of the people out.....but it's very dangerous as ISIS is surrounding this mountain.

Mandi T (367)
Friday August 8, 2014, 3:19 pm
I saw that news this morning Sheryl, those poor people on the mountain. Glad the USA sent the airdrops. I heard 40 children died already. Do not know if that is true though. :(

Barb Knight (1678)
Friday August 8, 2014, 3:28 pm
I watch it every day/night on the news and the ones who are hurt the most are the babies. To me, anyone under the age of 25 is a baby. These children/babies should not be subjected to war much less become a victim. Or a dead victim. The mothers of the children/babies are also in my radar of concern. As the song from the 70's goes: 'War! What is it good for!? ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!'

jan b (5)
Friday August 8, 2014, 3:39 pm
As long as the middle east still want to fight over religious and national differences, our Middle East policy may have to be more about minding our own business. To interfere we just will make more enemies in this case of ISIS who like Hamas---Helzbolah---Al QUida who already hate America. Middle Eastern Muslims Celebrate 9/11 Anniversary by ...

JUST Search for images of 911 celebrations in middle east
.CAMERA: CNN Clip of Palestinians Celebrating 9/11 Attacks -


Edwin M (346)
Friday August 8, 2014, 4:56 pm
You would think that "religion" would produce peaceful extremists, Isn't peace supposed to be the message of all religions?

Athena F (131)
Friday August 8, 2014, 5:20 pm
Thank you

Mitchell D (82)
Friday August 8, 2014, 5:45 pm
Could not get to see it, on my old system, perhaps for the better. My imagination is doing enough in picturing things.
The damned religious extremists in this country, ought to see how extremism of any sort, as Sheryl pointed out, is bound to be horrific!
Setting up a Christian Theocracy here, will just make it easier for any religious based group to move into power. The idea that YOUR God is leading the way, and so there can't be any danger, is just another delusion!!

Carrie B (306)
Friday August 8, 2014, 6:01 pm
Why Do Palestinians In Gaza Support Hamas

Vicky P (476)
Friday August 8, 2014, 6:18 pm
very scary..but it is Islam as other religions are violent also, it's always been used to control the masses, and in this instance, they have passages to back up whatever they is scary and I hope this and other groups will be destroyed anyhow as they are a danger to humanity and human rights, I feel bad for whoever is it their path as people are dying, being tortured, history being destroyed and women being raped

Lois Jordan (63)
Friday August 8, 2014, 6:22 pm
Noted. Thanks for posting, Dandelion. Running short on time right now, but humanitarian efforts done by the U.S. of air-dropping water and food has my support. And, what Edwin M. stated above regarding "peace supposed to be the message of all religions" should be spread far and wide!

Friday August 8, 2014, 7:34 pm
These guys are as evil, as they come.They believe that anyone who does not believe exactly the same as they do, must die!

divergent r (309)
Friday August 8, 2014, 8:08 pm
"Religion is for people who are afraid of going to hell, spirituality is for those who have already been there"native American proverb
Thanks Dandelion

S J (124)
Friday August 8, 2014, 8:16 pm
noted, thanks

Edith B (146)
Friday August 8, 2014, 8:26 pm

thanks for posting. This is horrifying. Any time evil is committed in the name of God, Allah, whatever your religion names the leader, people suffer and die. There seems to be no way to contain this movement, either, since they are using eleven year old children and younger in their fight.

Krista Slavin (194)
Friday August 8, 2014, 8:35 pm

LaurenBackSoon Kozen (173)
Friday August 8, 2014, 9:11 pm
Noted, Signed & Shared. Thanks Sheryl.

TomCat S (123)
Friday August 8, 2014, 11:47 pm
Isis is a lot like what Republican Supply-side pseudo-Christians would become if they had absolute power. Republican Senators and Representatives crafted legislation to execute gays in Uganda. ISIS are not authent6ic Muslims and are very dangerous.

Evelyn B (63)
Saturday August 9, 2014, 12:25 am
Extremists, of any religion, are extremely dangerous and frightening. They may only represent a tiny proportion of all who follow the same religion - as is the case with extremists like these among Muslims - but brought together like ISIS is doing, they promulgate a form of mass hysteria that gives them impetus and blinds the individuals to the horrors they perpetuate.

Situations of crisis allow psychopaths & sociopaths to assume the mantle of holy leaders, of righteous people. We saw it within Former Yugoslavia, not so long ago, where manipulation of people under religeo-ethnic pride & identity caused horrific massacres. We saw it in Rwanda, we're seeing it in Sudan and Afghanistan/Pakistan. And the Syrian crisis (aggravated by misjudgements in support provided to different groups opposing Assad) has allowed this "splinter group" to develop a force that is terrifying - comparable to the worst of the Taliban groups (who themselves gained their initial power through support to those in Afghanistan who were opposing the Soviet occupation).

Overcoming this tsunami of violence will take understanding of what drives those - like the people interviewed - who have joined ISIS, and finding ways of addressing those problems. Tarring all Muslims with the same brush won't be constructive. Muslims who oppose such fanatism will have to be core to developing responses, to avoid polarising perceptions. The worst thing would be if opposition to ISIS is seen as US/Western/Christian/Non-Muslim versus Islam. Because it would trigger defensiveness, rather than encouraging Muslims who disapprove such extremism from actively countering ISIS messages.

You are right, Dandelion: this documentary does need to be seen, but should not be allowed to become a tool of Islamophobia & hatred messages (which are no more than the same sickness from the opposite side).

Kit H (173)
Saturday August 9, 2014, 1:04 am
"god" or the divine is peace. Why some people don't get it?

Ulane V (48)
Saturday August 9, 2014, 3:05 am

Arild Warud (174)
Saturday August 9, 2014, 3:25 am
President Obama and US intelligence "dropped the ball in the first quarter" It's very late to come back "in the fourth quarter",The Iraqi President Malaki who is a shia muslim has much to answer for here,he's worked against the sunni muslims from day one and since ISIS is mainly made up by extreme muslims,mostly sunni muslims it's relatively easy for the sunni muslims in Iraq to join.The Iraqi military ran away and left most of their light and heavy armery behind,which is now in ISIS' hands.
I hope the Americans Humantary food and water airdrops helped those who took refuge on a mointain top,but using F 15's to bomb some ISIS forces outside of Erbil will not stop them.
Get rid of Malaki and give a moralboost to the Iraqi military forces may be the only way forward now + rearming the Kurdish Peshmerger is a must,but it will not be easy to persuade Tyrkey about the latter.
I'm afraid that unless the rest of the middle-east Countries stand up against this ISIS will keep marching forward.
Thanks for posting this Sheryl.

Abdessalam Diab (145)
Saturday August 9, 2014, 5:25 am
Those people are very dangerous . Unfortunately ( and I am frankly speaking ) USA policy in Iraq is the main reason for what is going on there. Dividing Iraq to Sheit Muslims and Sunni Muslims,then giving all advantages to Sheits against Sunnis because the later was supporting Saddam was the biggest mistake. Let us be more frank and say that US and Israel policy is based on dividing the undivided in the middle east for the sake of Israel. This ISIS terrorist group would have not achieve any progress without US support in Syria where they started fighting against Syrian president Al-Assad more than 3 years ago.
Again as it happened in Afghanistan when US created the Mujahedeen, who turned to be Al-Qaeda, to face or confront the soviet in Afaghanistan. Americans never learn.

Cheree M (46)
Saturday August 9, 2014, 5:36 am
noted.. thanks

Abdessalam Diab (145)
Saturday August 9, 2014, 5:41 am
Those people are very dangerous . Unfortunately ( and I am frankly speaking ) USA policy in Iraq is the main reason for what is going on there. Dividing Iraq to Sheit Muslims and Sunni Muslims,then giving all advantages to Sheits against Sunnis because the later was supporting Saddam was the biggest mistake. Let us be more frank and say that US and Israel policy is based on dividing the undivided in the middle east for the sake of Israel. This ISIS terrorist group would have not achieve any progress without US support in Syria where they started fighting against Syrian president Al-Assad more than 3 years ago.
Again as it happened in Afghanistan when US created the Mujahedeen, who turned to be Al-Qaeda, to face or confront the soviet in Afaghanistan. Americans never learn.

Abdessalam Diab (145)
Saturday August 9, 2014, 6:00 am
When Egyptians realized the fact of Morsi ( Islamic ) regime and revolted against him supported by the Egyptian National Army and ousted Morsi, USA ,Europe and some other countries were talking about a military coup although the whole world had seen in videos that more than 30 million Egyptian rallied against his regime starting June 28,2013 before the civil political parties,supported by Egypt's army, decided to depose Morsi and start a road map to take Egypt back to it original identity as a moderate Islamic country on July 3,2013. This action from Egypt's army not only saved the country from falling under an extremist regime but also from a civil war that could break among Egyptians and put Egypt in a position like Iraq or Libya.

Shirley S (187)
Saturday August 9, 2014, 6:16 am
Why can't we all "LOVE THY NEIGHBOUR"????

Abdessalam Diab (145)
Saturday August 9, 2014, 6:17 am
Morsi regime,USA,Europe were all allies with should we say Islamists including terrorist who belong or are descendants of Al-Qaeda . Morsi is now being tried for these strong ties with terrorists and Alqaeda leadership Aiman Al-Zawahry. Morsi was like a liaison officer between Al-qaeda and Obama administration.
When Morsi was deposed ,arrested and interrogated,the Egyptian Military got involved in military operations in Sinai against terrorist whom were allowed to settle in Sinai during Morsi rule. They needed Some Apache helicopters which were already agreed upon before with USA. USA stopped not only the agreed upon military aid to Egypt and freezed the delivery of equipment and weapons to be used in war against terrorists in Sinai but also didn't return the helicopters sent for maintenance .

Abdessalam Diab (145)
Saturday August 9, 2014, 6:24 am
USA and its allies have created ALL . . . I repeat ALL this chaos ( which Mrs Rice ,former US state department secretary used to describe as creative CHAOS ) in Iraq, Libya, Syria and dare say in part in Egypt and it is responsible for putting an end to it.

Birgit W (160)
Saturday August 9, 2014, 6:40 am
Abdessalam Diab says it all. Thanks Dandelion.

Arild Warud (174)
Saturday August 9, 2014, 8:18 am
I have to agree with Adessalam,the USA do not have a coherant foreign policy apart from supporting Israel come what may.Just listening to Obama before he went on holiday wasn't about what the USA will do,more a wishlist of what the of what he was hoping would happen.

Past Member (0)
Saturday August 9, 2014, 9:21 am
I was reading a lot about them last night, and it seems that this group is not controlled by any agency...not like Al Quida or Helzbolah... But still...who really knows...

Sheryl G (359)
Saturday August 9, 2014, 9:33 am
Ge I have no problem with you pointing out that the Christians are being massacred by ISIS, that is a fact, along with the fact that gays are being killed, women in general, and other religious sects such as the Yazidi. They are ruthless and this video reflects that; and if you are going to present figures such as 80% of a group is being killed by another I'd like you to back it up with some documentation. You act as if Christians never had in fact done anything like this, it was the Christians that came to the land of North American for their religious freedom and did what to the American Indians? Murdered them. So no religious group has clean hands.

Abdessalam also has a right to post comment onto this thread and he doesn't call any one individual out on this thread by name, he understands that not all Americans for example are direct in causing these issues, many of us in fact do our best to stand up against policies set up by our leaders that have caused more harm than good.

You however Ge tend to throw out your insults to individual people on various threads, you did to me on the story put out by the UN that highlighted a medical emergency for children in Gaza of which I gave a link to in fact help these children, all children in Gaza and as Ros points out, there are Christian children in Gaza too.

Now you pull out Abdessalam's name onto this treat and directly say "we do not know if he or his family are involved in such murders" that is a direct attack upon him and his family who is not even on C2. I therefore am reporting that comment to C2, not for all the other you wrote, but for what you wrote within comment as the direct attack on another C2 member. I'll not stand for you directly insulting other members.

I notice Ros has referred to you as Gillian several times, on here and on the other thread, and I recall that name and I suppose you are trying now to cover your insults with another name and avatar. Well is easy to hide all you do behind some fake avatar, at least Abdessalam and I have our faces shown.

If you want people to understand issues fully and how you see them and the needed exposure you can do that while in fact building bridges. None of us advance in our societies by poking each other in the eye, as the saying goes "an eye for an eye makes everyone blind" or calling all people of one group evil while saying all people of another group are blameless. I know for a fact that your harshness has turned people away from even listening to your point of view rather than enduring them to it. As they say you can get more flies in using honey rather than vinegar.

I think Evelyn above explained things in a very good way, in particular when she wrote "The worst thing would be if opposition to ISIS is seen as US/Western/Christian/Non-Muslim versus Islam. Because it would trigger defensiveness, rather than encouraging Muslims who disapprove such extremism from actively countering ISIS messages".

P A (117)
Saturday August 9, 2014, 10:00 am
Dandelion, thanks for this - couldn't see the video but it sounds appalling. Extremists of ALL persuasions are dangerous in the extreme (sorry!) - including atheists and various political parties and we must all stand up to be counted to stop these people or life will get even worse.

(Edwin - people can fight viciously in knitting and sewing circles, mother and toddler groups, work, golf clubs and anywhere - though I grant you that adding religiosity and absolutism to the mix means things get vile very quickly - but it isn't the fault of the religions, it is the fault of the people who are being violent and manipulative, using religion as an excuse).

Ge M - please could you provide statistics and mainstream journalism to justify this paragraph of yours "80% of murders happening world wide are of Christians in 4 Muslim controlled countries in the Middle East of which Egypt is one. So when Abdesalam gets on his high horse,remember that we do not know if he or his family are involved in such murders. "

Please tell us all where you get such numbers quoted re these murders - surely there would be no-one left in the Middle East after a couple of years if this were true! And as for attacking Abdessalam, implying that he and his family could be involved - that is quite shocking! That is vilification by innuendo and you really should apologize publicly, as you have insulted him publicly.

I have been acquainted with Abdessalam for a few years and I have never seen him advocate violence or defend violence - instead he has constantly, consistently and repeatedly supported peace for both people of all persuasions and supported help for innocent animals and signed petitions to that effect. I cannot see any justification at all for you casting aspersions on his good name in this way Ge M.


Past Member (0)
Saturday August 9, 2014, 10:01 am
I'm impressed of how fast that comment deleted, and of course I'm impressed once more from Dandelion's last comment :)

Arild Warud (174)
Saturday August 9, 2014, 11:36 am
In an answer to Ge M:

"Christianity has killed more people than anything else by a long-shot. The first and second Crusade, The Spanish Inquisition, Rome after it became Christian, Nazi's, pogroms, etc. The list goes on and on. Muslim extremists have only killed a significant amount of people in the last hundred years or so. Also, the Muslim extremists that kill or do any other sort of related act are going against everything the Islam faith is about, creating peace and helping others. Out of the 1.2 billion Muslims on Earth, less than 6000 are terrorists, it just gets lots of coverage by western news because of oil companies wanting oil and the U.S. government wanting to get rid of the terrorists and of course, tap into the oil reserves too. Also, what are you talking about? Christianity has some of the most intense extremists. Bombing abortion clinics, hanging/shooting Jews and Muslims, Evangelism, polygamy, Jonestown. You sir, sound like you're very isolated from the rest of the world.

I hope that answers your comment once and for all.

Winn A (179)
Saturday August 9, 2014, 11:46 am
Down with all extremists and I continue to pray for peace.

Parsifal S (96)
Saturday August 9, 2014, 12:23 pm

Is it possible that the one or the other has asked himself, ...
...Why Aren't ISIS and Al-Qaeda Attacking Israel?

Abdessalam Diab (145)
Saturday August 9, 2014, 2:03 pm
Thanks Sheryl ,Pat A. and Arlid for your comments regarding the insult I have been subject to by Gillian who is now using an other name and avatar. Whenever she is in trouble or has nothing to say based on facts she just attacks not only me but many other commentators who don't agree with her or show any criticism for ZioNazist entity. Remember our friend Margaret Mayer for example. Such stupid comments will not silence me as I have got accustomed to them. For your knowledge on an other thread Babara D. threatened me leave the discussion" remove yourself from the discussion or we will do it to you" in her own words"

As I mentioned before, I have dedicated the rest of my life to uncover the ZioNazist entity and defend the Palestinians rights to live in dignity and peace in their country and on their land Palestine. It doesn't matter if this will be through ONE state or TWO state solution as long as they agree to it.

Gillian M (218)
Saturday August 9, 2014, 2:45 pm
Abdesalam, if you do genuinely want peace in Gaza then why do you NEVER condemn Hamas and their brutality towards their own people. By refusing to condemn such behaviour you condone it. If you condone it then you support the brutality and my question becomes valid.

And as for the validity of my statement about Hamas' abuses, there is a lot of evidence from foreign journalists including videos about shooting rockets into Israel from crowded civilian areas, Al-Jezeera, a manual from Hamas about how to use their own people as human shields, the deaths of 160+ Palestinian children forced to dig tunnels into Israel so that the terrorists could murder Israelis, refusal to supply bomb shelters to the civilians, using mosques and schools to store rockets in, deliberately blame Israel when their rockets kill their own people etc. None of you condemn this especially Abdesalam which, as I have just shown, makes you equally guilty. Failure to do so enables the terrorists but now the Arabs are saying that Hamas is making their own people suffer.

I condemn the deaths caused by Hamas whether caused by their own terrorists or by Israel because If Hamas did NOT shell Israel continually and abuse their own people then there would be no deaths.

ISIS is merely following the same form of Islam, do what I say or die. The Iraqi minorities and, in Syria, the general population who have not fled are suffering. And no-one is mentioning the Christians who are suffering. Sad.

pam w (139)
Saturday August 9, 2014, 2:56 pm
I'm SO VERY WEARY of santimonious THUGS babbling on about their ''religion of PEEEAAACCCEEEE" and plotting to kill innocent people, simply because they're not Muslim.

I'm SO VERY WEARY of sanctimonious THUGS plotting horrors against other Muslims, simply because they've got a wild hair up their innards, thinking that THEY are the ''hand of Allah."

If I could, I'd vaporize every one of them. They're just THUGS, using their ''religion'' to feel like big, important people.

And, to those who try to diffuse this by pointing out the murders imposed on the world by Christians....yes, very true. However....when was the last time you saw masses of Christians torturing and murdering Muslims, simply because they can? I'm certainly no fan of Christianity but they can't compete with Islam on the brutality, hypocricy and homocidal scales.

Sheryl G (359)
Saturday August 9, 2014, 3:36 pm
Please stay on topic of what was presented, this is about ISIS not Hamas or Gaza, there are enough threads for that.

Again, Ge, it would be good if you even looked at what was presented or you would of seen that this very much speaks about the Christians who are suffering. So don't say no-one is mentioning it, I did when I posted this!

Others did when they came on the thread to condemn this group.

In the written part of the article it states: In the first week of August alone, Islamic State fighters have taken over new areas in northern Iraq, encroaching on Kurdish territory and sending Christians and other minorities fleeing as reports of massacres emerged.

Do you see the word Christians in there? Very clearly stated.

Not to mention how the video reflects how violent they are towards all in the area, taking in the Christians too. I suggest before you accuse people of NO-ONE mentioning, you read or watch what has been presented.

Caitlin M (104)
Saturday August 9, 2014, 7:31 pm
If there's anything that should speak for atheism it is contemplating whether a god of goodness would allow his/her/its children to slaughter each other as we have done for centuries. And not only that, but it is done in the name of God. How sinister is that? It is tempting so say, "God bless us every one," but the blessings are few in the face of such evil as is happening in the middle east today. I thank you, Dandelion, for trying to inform. It would be easier to just hide our heads in the sand and pretend all is well. It is darned frightening, though!

Abdessalam Diab (145)
Sunday August 10, 2014, 3:20 am
Thank you Parsifal for the link about " Why Aren't ISIS and Al-Qaeda Attacking Israel? " I have watched Nabil Na'eem several times on Egyptian TV independent channels . He was, a long time ago one of the Egyptians who fought against the soviet in Afghanistan . He knows a lot about Al-Qaeda and other terrorist rganizations which uses Islam as a garment to hide their nature as terrorist groups.

This proves what I mentioned in here about the ties between the west in general and USA in particular and terrorist groups. As mentioned For instance, Issam Hattito, head of Muslim Brotherhood responsible for leading the battles against Bashar Assad, where does he reside? Is he in Beirut? Riyadh or Cairo? Hes residing in Tel Aviv.
Ahmad Jarba, does he stay in Riyadh, Cairo or Tehran? Hes moving between New York, Paris and London, his employers, who pay his expenses . ?
Naeem is right to point out these odd bedfellows because it provides one small piece of a larger puzzle that Israel, along with its cohorts in the West (the United States and Europe) are not victims of Islamic terror, they are sponsors of it.

Parsifal S (96)
Sunday August 10, 2014, 3:50 am
Abdessalam Diab:

'...This proves what I mentioned in here about the ties between the west in general and USA in particular and terrorist groups. ..'

Me thinks this is also a basic question in understanding not only the creation but the plan of the so called state of Israel to achieve Eretz Israel, the Greater Israel.

These 'homemade' Jihadis, supported by the other ally of 'Israel' namely Saudi Arabia (among all other Gulf States (Sunni) can then, when their work is done, be eliminated in the ME or kept some for special purposes by providing these Wahhabi cut-throat cannibals their own Caliphate in a place where they are harmless for Israel.
What we but already see is that in the Balkanized Kosovo, the Al-Qaeda is residing (retreat) and, could easily go deeper into Europe in case USrael would demand to destabilize the one or other country which would - ever not dance to their tune.
So, the empire (Ukraine - Russia -- 'In this hour of danger we will not let you down dear NATO') has already created TWO bogeymen, on the one hand the Islamists, and on the other hand Neo Nazis (Swoboda) as they rage in Ukraine, given to them their own government..., backed by international hordes of mercenaries.

Maybe a good read to comprehend my allegation is
18 + Ukrainian TV exposes its own lies

Past Member (0)
Sunday August 10, 2014, 4:11 am
I feel very sorry for the civilians living in the areas under this group's control. How would you like to be sitting at dinner with your children and see these people riding over the hill towards your house? Every sentence uttered by one of their members seemed to have the word God in it. I agree with other commentators who said that the U.S. attack and destruction of Iraq caused the instability in the region which led to the rise of this terrifying group of fanatics. So now the U.S. sits back and watches this scenario unfold...

Sheryl G (359)
Sunday August 10, 2014, 5:52 am
Indeed, US intelligence, a Country too busy being up in every citizens business can't keep it's fingers on anything. Now we are supporting both ends against the middle, strange bedfellows we keep. The links that Parsifal and the comment that Abdessalam left, may explain why this has come to be. Both having much more knowledge than I on the topic.

Sheryl G (359)
Sunday August 10, 2014, 8:32 am
The Islamic State Part 2
It is important for all those watching this and reading this to remember that this is an extreme group and is not reflective of all Muslim people. I've seen people on C2 already inferring that this militant group is representative of all Muslims and that isn't right nor fair. These people will even kill their fellow Muslim brothers if they do not agree with their extremism.

This is a horrific section of this ongoing series that shows the indoctrination of young children into this murder and extreme thinking. They are being taught to kill any one and everyone that doesn't agree with them. That is including other religious sects, as well as it is mentioned that whole Countries are on their radar, Turkey, USA, Russia, and all of Europe.

Parsifal S (96)
Sunday August 10, 2014, 8:41 am

Aloha Dandelion, I have been a starter as well but have to admit Global policy was always my interest and I spent a decade in the ME, so had the chance to learn more.
Thank you for your inspiring reply, I do what we can but I'm cureently terribly involved with the Ukraine issue

Now what we see here is an other oxymoron, guess what:

here we have it !
'It's Madness! US opposes ISIS in Iraq, supports them in Syria'

Parsifal S (96)
Sunday August 10, 2014, 9:01 am

This does not absolutely fit in here but, I assume we can consider this as an other puzzle that the so called state of Israel is behind ISIS and 'so'...

Iraqi Army Seizes Israeli-Made Weapons from ISIS Terrorist
Aug 5, 2014
According to reports, the army seized a cache of weapons, including Israeli-made LAV missiles, during an operation near Tikrit.


Kevin K (23)
Sunday August 10, 2014, 1:23 pm
The Middle East is a total disaster - out of control. US foreign policy over the last 20 yewars has been a tot6al failure.

Margaret Goodman (243)
Sunday August 10, 2014, 3:20 pm
There seems to be a parallel here.

The United States Republican party encourages/creates the Teabaggers and now discovers that the Teabaggers are hurting the party.

The United States and Israel encourage/create fundamentalist Islamic groups and now discover that these groups hurt United States and Israel.

Sheryl G (359)
Monday August 11, 2014, 6:14 am
The video isn't graphic in gore or anything like that, but it's horrifying to see how these men take these young male children and begin to groom them to become killers. In fact it shows them treating the children rather well to entice them in, giving them treats, making it look like a celebration, playing in the river with them, all the while getting them to repeat the propaganda and indoctrination. This is on the younger and newer members, then they explain how they are sent to camps, depending upon age which type of camp, to train. It's sad to see these children lives are being taken, how they are being twisted and their futures robbed from them.

Parsifal S (96)
Monday August 11, 2014, 10:50 am
FYI, Dandelion and all those who are truly concerned about our brothers and sisters in the poor remainders of the Gaza Strip

Genocide Is Permissible.
Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu clearly stated at the outset of this incursion that his objective is to restore a sustainable quiet for the citizens of Israel. We have already established that it is the responsibility of every government to ensure the safety and security of its people. If political leaders and military experts determine that the only way to achieve its goal of sustaining quiet is through genocide is it then permissible to achieve those responsible goals?


Birgit W (160)
Tuesday August 12, 2014, 4:21 am
Thanks for sharing Dandelion.

Gina Caracci (219)
Wednesday August 27, 2014, 6:23 pm
get the civilians out and bomb the shit out of them...period
bunch of brainwashed followers who are so twisted there is no hope..therefore they should be take out...
sorry but its the only way
how dare they use GODS name in that way
off to watch part 2

Abdessalam Diab (145)
Thursday August 28, 2014, 7:46 am
The top Islamic authority in Egypt, revered by many Muslims worldwide, launched an Internet-based campaign Sunday challenging an extremist group in Syria and Iraq by saying it should not be called an "Islamic State."

Nancy C (806)
Thursday August 28, 2014, 1:27 pm
will watch both...ty
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