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Israel and Palestine - A Short Introduction


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Sheryl
- 1696 days ago - youtube.com
A little bit of history for an area we read so much about. For the well versed this is a simplistic video, for those who are not sure what is going on, who are just trying to learn this is a good brief and start on their journey of knowledge. Link at end.



   

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Roger G (148)
Wednesday August 27, 2014, 3:36 pm
noted, thanks
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday August 27, 2014, 4:20 pm
All i'll say is that if i were Palestinian i'd be seeing red too with smoke flying outta my ears. Thanks Dandelion
 

P A (117)
Wednesday August 27, 2014, 10:51 pm
Thanks Dandelion.
 

fly bird (26)
Wednesday August 27, 2014, 11:48 pm
"A blue print of exclusion>" -
Thank you, Dandelion, excellent video!
 

Past Member (0)
Thursday August 28, 2014, 4:04 am
You do realise that initially Palestinians include anyone that lived in Palestinian, and that include Jews. And that the Jews were kicked out in 1929. And while Nearly 1,400,000 Arabs lived in Palestine when the war broke out. Estimates of the number of Arabs displaced from their original homes, villages, and neighbourhoods during the period from December 1947 to January 1949 based on a general consensus, that the actual number was more than 600,000 and likely exceeded 700,000. So again, perhaps we can start with agreeing what the basic facts are.
 

Arild Gone for now (174)
Thursday August 28, 2014, 4:52 am
That vídeo was like "the Israel's conflict with Palestinians for dummies" - it did give some of the big picture but I'm afraid nothing will change untill the USA stops funding Israel financially and military and also actively put pressure on Israel to stop the ilegal settlements.,than again that's only my opinion.
Thanks for posting Sheyl.
 

Arlene C (28)
Thursday August 28, 2014, 5:31 am
Excellent vidéo et espérons que nous verrons leur paix de notre vivant, merci Dandelion
 

Past Member (0)
Thursday August 28, 2014, 6:43 am
The first sentence starts the entire video incorrectly.

*"Of course, the Zionists bought the land from Arab landholders, who had moved to cities or even left the country. They were all too willing to sell, for the price paid by the purchasers was often many times more than anyone else would pay."
“Between 1880 and 1914 over sixty thousand Jews entered Palestine … Many settled on wasteland, sand-dunes and malarial marsh, which they then drained, irrigated and farmed. In 1909 a group of Jews founded the first entirely Jewish town, Tel Aviv, on the sandhills north of Jaffa. The Jews purchased their land piecemeal, from European, Turkish and (principally) Arab landlords, mostly at extremely high prices.”17
For many centuries, Palestine was a sparsely populated, poorly cultivated and widely-neglected expanse of eroded hills, sandy deserts and malarial marshes. Mark Twain, who visited Palestine in 1867, described it as: "...[a] desolate country whose soil is rich enough, but is given over wholly to weeds-a silent mournful expanse....A desolation is here that not even imagination can grace with the pomp of life and action....We never saw a human being on the whole route....There was hardly a tree or a shrub anywhere. Even the olive and the cactus, those fast friends of the worthless soil, had almost deserted the country."*
From the Report of the Royal Palestine Commission:
*The road leading from Gaza to the north was only a summer track suitable for transport by camels and carts...no orange groves, orchards or vineyards were to be seen until one reached [the Jewish village of] Yabna [Yavne]....Houses were all of mud. No windows were anywhere to be seen....The ploughs used had been of wood....The yields were very poor....The sanitary conditions in the village were horrible. Schools did not exist....The western part, towards the sea, was almost a desert....The villages in this area were few and almost unpopulated. Many ruins of villages were scattered over the area, as owing to the prevalence of malaria, many villages were deserted by their inhabitants.*

From the Middle East Forum:
*Even in the PLO's terrorist charter, Jews living in "Palestine" prior to 1917 were called, "Palestinians."*

Most Arabs began arriving AFTER Isreal had begun developing the area: draining the swamps, developing irrigation and farming (which they taught to neighboring fellahin) and building towns:
*Massive numbers of Syrian, Egyptians, Trans-Jordanian and Iraqi migrant Arabs workers set up camps around the Jewish settlements to work in the new orchards to seek a better standard of living. In some places (Rishon LeTzion for example) there were as many as 10 Arabs to 1 Jewish resident.7,8*

The second influx began with the Passfield White Paper which illegally restricted Jewish immigration (voted 4 to 7 against), which also effectively trapped hundreds of thousands of Jews in Europe during WWII. An estimated 500-600,000 Jews died in the camps because of this action. The British Mandate also ordered France to discontinue monitoring Arab immigration ~ effectively allowing the influx of hundreds of thousands of ILLEGAL Arab immigrants.

*Also in 1936 the Arabs riot with funds supplied by the Nazi's 18*

*From the years from 1890 to 1945 about 500,000 Egyptian, Syrian, Iraqi and Eastern Palestine [Jordan] Arabs ILLIGALLY immigrated into West Palestine, later in 1939 Winston Churchill said "So far from being persecuted, the Arabs have crowded into the country and multiplied till their population has increased more than even all world Jewry could lift up the Jewish population." 14*

WHAT DID ISRAEL HAVE TO OFFER THAT WAS SO MUCH MORE COMPELLING THAN THE ARAB COUNTRIES????
 

Past Member (0)
Thursday August 28, 2014, 6:46 am
To corroborate John's comment:

*Of the 600,000 Arabs fled the fledgling state, 70% left without seeing an Israeli soldier 34,35 because they had not lived there very long, they were migrant families, and many had fled back to Eastern Palestine [Jordan] where they had come from originally.
The Arab League forbid any Arab country from accepting these "refugees" and the U.N. declared that any Arab who had lived for TWO YEARS 36 in Western Palestine before 1948 "He and his descendants could claim the right of return". Now 3,000,000 Arabs, without proof or document are claiming to be descendants of these original refugees and are claiming the "right of return".*

Good work, John!
 

Past Member (0)
Thursday August 28, 2014, 7:43 am
The Israelis talk about peace. The Palestinians talk about peace. But they can't hear each other for all the fighting. The Americans talk about peace, but maybe not as loudly. Peace, after all, doesn't sell weapons.
 

Past Member (0)
Thursday August 28, 2014, 10:29 am
Good point, Brian. The U.S. supplies Qatar who supplies Hamas/ISIS ~ so our *allies* in the Middle East have better defenses.
Against whom? And who are our *allies*? What day is this?
 

Arild Gone for now (174)
Thursday August 28, 2014, 10:42 am
If you want to go beyond what this vídeo tells you plz read:

Zionism and its Impact
 

Bryan S (105)
Thursday August 28, 2014, 1:09 pm
Barbara, just because there was indeed some land bought over a period of time by Jews from Arabs does not mean the first sentence of the video is in anyway incorrect. It is also not difficult to understand why many Arabs fled without seeing an Israeli soldier considering the effect massacres in other Arab villages would have. And let's be honest, Israel receives by far the largest amount of US military aid.

It's important to note the part of the video that explains Israel has never defined its borders. A nation simply cannot continue to incrementally usurp another people's land year after year and then claim to want peace, or blame the people who are losing their land for dicord.


"We have forgotten that we have not come to an empty land to inherit it, but we have come to conquer a country from people inhabiting it, that governs it by the virtue of its language and savage culture ..... Recently there has been appearing in our newspapers the clarification about "the mutual misunderstanding" between us and the Arabs, about "common interests" [and] about "the possibility of unity and peace between two fraternal peoples." ..... [But] we must not allow ourselves to be deluded by such illusive hopes ..... for if we cease to look upon our land, the Land of Israel, as ours alone and we allow a partner into our estate- all content and meaning will be lost to our enterprise." -- Moshe Sharrett, Israel's 2nd Prime Minister

 

Lois Jordan (63)
Thursday August 28, 2014, 1:14 pm
Noted. Thanks, Dandelion. I agree with others' comments that we must stop funding Israel.....as well as the myriad of other countries. This web is so tangled now that we (the U.S.) are basically fighting ourselves. What a ca$h cow for "defense contractors" and their shareholders.
 

Angelika R (143)
Thursday August 28, 2014, 3:07 pm
“When injustice becomes law, resistance becomes duty.” Thomas Jefferson

thx Sheryl, saw that years ago
 

Justin Vale (13)
Thursday August 28, 2014, 4:16 pm
there you guys go again.
there is no palestine. there never was. that was a made up roman name. that place be israel.
why don't you guys take a little drink of this' if there wouldn't have been foreign interference in israel almost every jew on earth would still be there. why does everybody else have a right to their land and you guys keep pushing to give away jewish lands. everybody has always taken their land. we gonna do it too?
 

Past Member (0)
Thursday August 28, 2014, 5:10 pm
Bryan , you didn't respond to any of the salient points in my comment, nor my question.
Why DID so many Arabs flock from Syria, Egypt, and Tans-Jordan to Israel? What was so very compelling?
 

S J (124)
Thursday August 28, 2014, 5:59 pm
thank you Dandelion. They used to live in peace, I hope they shall live in peace soon.
 

Justin Vale (13)
Thursday August 28, 2014, 6:06 pm
and then they call it a short introduction. how can there be anything short about jews and israel. they're both dinosaurs.
i know i have a limited mind but for the life of me i can't understand this argument. the arabs are squatters. long term squatters, but squatters nonetheless.
and i can't understand how people don't see that. i know these gazans and west bankers are not to blame for being where they are. but the people that put them there are. are we supposed to forget just because water has flowed under the bridge? we'd be letting criminals get away with a criminal act.
just the fact that jerusalem is half arab makes me feel like i'm bleeding inside.
i firmly believe in keeping zionism contained within it's borders. but what is theirs is theirs.
 

Caitlin M (104)
Thursday August 28, 2014, 6:37 pm
If the USA weren't such a greedy weapons seller, perhaps there would be more peace in many lands, including our own. One day, probably beyond many lifetimes, I do hope humans begin to respect each other in real, loving ways. Not likely to happen soon, but it's something to aim for. I don't blame the Israelis for wanting borders that are continuous and not broken up into settlements here and there. But the same is true for the former Palestinians who want to return to the area now occupied by Israel. The solution would seem to be to learn to get along with each other and respect each other. One day...perhaps.
 

Bryan S (105)
Thursday August 28, 2014, 8:18 pm
Barbara, why are the good things that Jewish immigrants may have done in this area decades before this conflict started now salient? What in the world does it have to do with the current policies of the Israeli government?

And speaking of that, you didn't address any of the points i brought up that are quite relevant.

I suppose your point is to bolster the claim that there wasn't really anything there before Israel -- "the land without a people, a people without a land" myth. Another quote from Moshe Sharrett:

"The [Palestinian] Arab reaction would be negative because they would lose everything and gain almost nothing ...They would lose the richest part of Palestine; they would lose major Arab assets, the orange plantations, the commercial and industrial centers and the most important sources of revenue for their government which would become impoverished; they would lose most of the coastal area, which would also be a loss to the hinterland Arab states...It would mean that they would be driven back to the desert."



 

JL A (281)
Thursday August 28, 2014, 8:26 pm
Thanks Dandelion for your effort to educate and provide what should have been common ground for discussion.
 

fly bird (26)
Friday August 29, 2014, 12:34 am
JL A, my sentiments, too.
ty Dandelion, too, and Bryan, for excellent comments - and the quotes!
 

Sheryl G (359)
Friday August 29, 2014, 5:40 am
As I stated above I realized this video was just a brief over, however there are always people who are wanting to learn something they have little knowledge on so I thought this gives a general view or as Arild stated "Israeli's and Palestinians conflict for dummies"......thanks also for the added link Arild for those whose appetite by the video may require more information.

As to Bryan's "And speaking of that, you didn't address any of the points i brought up that are quite relevant." She seldom does Bryan.....even when I've answered all her questions she'll still fail to answer mine.

Yes, this should of been a place of common ground discussion.....glad you placed the word "should" in there but it seems Barbara has made it her personal mission to follow any and all threads I might place on that has any concern for this topic to add her copy and paste scripts to. I place many things concerning the USA for all sorts of topics, other issues around the world and petitions to sign, but those vital issues I guess are not even a concern for her, nope just on these threads. My own personal stalker......Having fun Barbara?

It amazes me that she tries to negate the video right from the get go, a video made by the Jewish Voice no less. Amazing.
 

Arild Gone for now (174)
Friday August 29, 2014, 6:57 am
The best way to deal with "Trolls" as Barbara is just to ignore them,never read their posts and definitly don't respond Sheryl,they are not worthy of your energy and wisdom and they are not capable of understanding and recognise other peoples points of view anyway.
If I don't missed something from the vídeo was the statement that the USA had tried inumerous times to bring peace to Israel and Palestine and then it listed the diferente years from 1994 and forward.Let me just make one thing clear: In 1994 Norway managed to get both parties together for real conversations and that's why it was called "The Oslo Agreement",Bill Clinton hijacked the progress because he wanted the signing on the White House lawn,which he got.Another flaw with the Oslo Agreement was that it left out the ilegal settlements from the Jewish side.Since the vídeo was made by a Jewish group I also consider it to be biast.
 

Gene J (287)
Friday August 29, 2014, 8:27 am
While I certainly can concur with the conclusion of the video, it doesn't really say what is needed to achieve those conditions - that is a two state solution, which would require the surrounding Arab nations to cede some of their territory to create a Palestinian state - this they have never been willing to do. The Jewish claim to the land goes back more than 2000 years, they were forcibly evicted in the diaspora, they have returned, or at least one tribe of Israel has. One other point, all of those wars between 1947 and 1965? Were begun by Arab states attacking Israel. The video doesn't mention that. And, it should have. Yes, there should be equality there, but a real solution requires something from not only Israel but the countries surrounding it. If they were willing to be part of the solution, one could be found. The entire middle east has been a battle ground since recorded history began, there is nothing different about that now but the increased destruction caused by modern weapons. They ALL have to be willing to want peace more than blood, when that happens, perhaps peace will come to that region of the world for the first time in human history.
 

Parsifal S (99)
Saturday August 30, 2014, 7:29 am

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Parsifal S (99)
Saturday August 30, 2014, 7:34 am
Brian M.

'The Israelis talk about peace' - yeah -- Peace... for the IOF ...

Peace = the silence which rules in a graveyard after a bombing orgy of the most human Army in the world...
 

Parsifal S (99)
Saturday August 30, 2014, 7:40 am

So much for Israel's help to AlQaeda, Al Nusra, ISIS and other Islamist terrorists in Syria:
Military option against Syria is alive
U.S., Saudi Arabia and Jordan are reportedly helping rebels plan attack starting in south and spreading to Damascus.

In February of 2014, Haaretz reported that the U.S. and its allies in the region, Saudi Arabia, Jordan and Israel, were in the process of helping the Syrian rebels plan and prepare for a massive attack in the south. According to Haaretz Israel had also provided direct assistance in military operations against Assad four months prior (you can access a free cached version of the page here)
 

Sheryl G (359)
Saturday August 30, 2014, 6:39 pm
Thank you for the additional links.
 

Past Member (0)
Saturday August 30, 2014, 7:37 pm
Dandelion, no need to get so huffy all the time, You might have noticed if you'd looked, that I follow every article that involves Israel. You're not special.
 

Parsifal S (99)
Sunday August 31, 2014, 4:22 am

Rose, I only can agree with you and easily forgive you for forgetting your manners ;-)
When it comes to war crimes and even genocide against the meanwhile minority in their own country, bombing and maiming the innocent and then to DEFEND these atrocities, losing countenance is just a normal reaction and should be honored with an award for human compassion with a golden heart
 

Sheryl G (359)
Tuesday September 2, 2014, 6:31 am
I have no problem with people following articles what I do have a problem with is when they call the person who posts the articles all sorts of personal insults, hiding behind some avatar, and then act surprised when they feel they "might" be getting a little huffy. Give it a break.

Very fitting Ros......

"Oh what a tangled web we weave,
When first we practise to deceive!"
 

Past Member (0)
Friday September 5, 2014, 12:27 am
I didn't join them, but I support them.
I wanna believe that at some point people will let behind their "patriotism"...their fanatical and one dimension persistence of their "race"...
Thank you Dandelion.
 

Abo r (107)
Wednesday October 1, 2014, 5:03 pm
Thanks Dandelion..
 
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