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What This Cruel War Was Over


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Sheryl
- 1321 days ago - theatlantic.com
The meaning of the Confederate flag is best discerned in the words of those who bore it. Lots of stories lately concerning the Confederate flag but this piece to me explains history up through today well for both Americans and others who live elsewhere



   

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Sheryl G (359)
Saturday July 11, 2015, 10:06 am
President of the Confederacy Jefferson Davis

"Free Society! we sicken at the name. What is it but a conglomeration of greasy mechanics, filthy operatives, small-fisted farmers, and moon-struck theorists?

All the Northern men and especially the New England States are devoid of society fitted for well-bred gentlemen.

The prevailing class one meet with is that of mechanics struggling to be genteel, and small farmers who do their own drudgery, and yet are hardly fit for association with a Southern gentleman's body servant.

This is your free society which Northern hordes are trying to extend into Kansas."

Also Jefferson Davis goes on to say.....

"You too know, that among us, white men have an equality resulting from a presence of a lower caste, which cannot exist where white men fill the position here occupied by the servile race.

The mechanic who comes among us, employing the less intellectual labor of the African, takes the position which only a master-workman occupies where all the mechanics are white, and therefore it is that our mechanics hold their position of absolute equality among us."

To the wonderful passionate speech by a descendent of his.......South Carolina Rep. Jenny Horne
YouTube Video of Her Short Speech

So when you hear the terms "heritage" and "States Rights" you will know from history how these terms got it's start, what is the meaning behind it, and how this has been carried on generation to generation. This article will offer information.
 

JL A (281)
Saturday July 11, 2015, 10:12 am
Thanks for helping educate us all on this serious issue often misrepresented in our history textbooks Dandelion
 

Barbara T (431)
Saturday July 11, 2015, 10:15 am
Excellent article, this exact material, word for word, should in fact be CENTRAL TO THE CURRICULUM IN EVERY SCHOOL, every elementary school, middle school, high school, private school, religious school, home school, college and university US History, World History, or Humanities course.
[It should also be an EDITORIAL or Feature Article in EVERY Newspaper.]

One can hope, and agitate for that to happen...
 

Past Member (0)
Saturday July 11, 2015, 10:16 am
Thank you Dandelion and thank you Jenny Horne! Her speech was so good! I was waiting for applause and a stand up ovation. She didn't get that though. She would have from me had I been there.
 

Kathleen Mireault (210)
Saturday July 11, 2015, 10:23 am
Utterly mind-boggling! Thanks for sharing, Dandelion. Wish the MSM would publish this information...time and doublespeak have blunted some of the edges of the so-called "southern cause." Your posting lays bare the hatred and racism at the heart of the old confederacy, as well as its' more recent incarnation.
 

Animae C (507)
Saturday July 11, 2015, 4:35 pm
Just a few quotes from the article i found to be disgraceful & spine chilling;

"Our slaves are black, of another and inferior race." James Henry Hammond
"The negro is in no sense of the term his equal. He feels and knows this. He belongs to the only true aristocracy, the race of white men." Georgia Governor Joseph E. Brown
"WE ARE FIGHTING FOR INDEPENDENCE THAT OUR GREAT AND NECESSARY DOMESTIC INSTITUTION OF SLAVERY SHALL BE PRESERVED" Richmond-based newspaper

i have found this one throughout the net, please tell me if i have misunderstood;

“I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been in favor of bringing about in anyway the social and political equality of the white and black races – that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race. I say upon this occasion I do not perceive that because the white man is to have the superior position the negro should be denied everything.”

by:
Abraham Lincoln
(1809-1865) 16th US President
Source:
Fourth Debate with Stephen A. Douglas at Charleston, Illinois, September 18, 1858
(The Collected Works of Abraham Lincoln edited by Roy P. Basler, Volume III, pp. 145-146.)

https://markii.wordpress.com/2007/02/19/racist-quote-by-abe-lincoln-happy-black-history-month/
 

Sheryl G (359)
Saturday July 11, 2015, 4:56 pm
Abraham Lincoln like many of his time, really was in tune with most the people at that time where whites were of one class or level and that blacks were of another. He said that from his earliest time he felt slavery was wrong but wasn't sure how to go about changing that.

It was not until the Emancipation Proclamation, which declared the freedom of all slaves and then named 10 specific states where the law would take affect, that Lincoln publicly rejected his earlier views. Meaning he had evolved, just like many in the United States has evolved on the rights of the LGBT issues.

It should also be pointed out that he signed the Emancipation Proclamation declaring freedom for the slaves in specific States a few days after he had approved of the largest mass hanging in the United States of American Indians who were sentenced on little to no evidence. The Indians were hanged on Dec. 26 so no to sully their Christian holiday and he signed the Emancipation Proclamation on January 1st.
 

MmAway M (519)
Saturday July 11, 2015, 6:39 pm
Thank you Dande...

Wow it has been said all above for me. Love your posts xo
 

Animae C (507)
Saturday July 11, 2015, 7:10 pm

They all sound very confused back then, as many still are today, the white supremacy mentality is one of the greatest & vilest human delusions!

Thanx for that Dandelion
 

Sheryl G (359)
Saturday July 11, 2015, 8:42 pm
Agree AniMae. Still a long way to go.
 

Rose Becke (141)
Sunday July 12, 2015, 2:35 am
So true AniMae Thanks Dandelion for this great post
 

John De Avalon (36)
Sunday July 12, 2015, 7:34 am
The flag is a piece of American history, and the history book is probably the best place for it.

 

Dotti L (85)
Sunday July 12, 2015, 7:50 am
What a great article! I must come back and read again when I have more time. History lesson at it's best.
 

Sheila D (194)
Sunday July 12, 2015, 10:58 am
Okay, my mom in TN, the staunch GOPTP voter and almost religious believer in Faux News, won't believe me when I tell her that the so-called flag of the Confederate States is a battle flag, nit the actual Confederate States of America flag. I want to send this article to her but it'll just start another "discussion" where I'll tell her exactly what I think, thus "hurting her feelings" and telling me she doesn't want to talk to me for a few weeks.

It's time for the South to join the UNITED STATES and stop trying to push through antiquated laws and beliefs...You LOST...Get over it!
 

Lois Jordan (63)
Sunday July 12, 2015, 10:58 am
Noted. Thanks, Dandelion.

I see where the "religious" line of thinking back then is much the same as today---it was "benevolent" to "take care" of the slaves, who should be grateful for being "saved." Yes, muddled and confusing; but straight in the minds of those who gained monetary benefit from owning slaves. It hasn't changed over these many decades, with money and power being the bottom lines.
And, such human insecurity as well----the need to feel as Lord over subservient people. Now, it has been inbred over all these years with aggression and hatred.
 

Sheryl G (359)
Sunday July 12, 2015, 5:15 pm
My husband was the exact opposite of his brother so I understand what you mean Sheila. Meaning my brother in law and your Mother would get along extremely well I suspect.
 

Past Member (0)
Sunday July 12, 2015, 7:42 pm
The white supremacy was the way of life, the law of the south. My ancestors were either living here before they came to America---or came here before most of those southerners---so I still don't comprehend why they felt so superior to the northerner. I am ignorant of the root of the truth--but--it sounds as though too many of the wealthy, snob types, with their entourage of servants and staff gathered in Dixie. Now, the Northern wealthy, with their servants, were certainly in lower New England. There was a parody on the song, "She Was Bred In Old Kentucky", alluding to Boston being snob of snobs---with lyrics altered to, "She Was Bred In Old Kentucky, But In Boston She Was Beans". I was raised by a school teacher grandmother, who was born in the late 1800's, and she taught me that the south felt superior to anyone who didn't have that wealthy, primarily English mindset, of a house, entirely run by servants & staff. This freed the owner to read, instill in the family those rules & regulations to carry on to the next generation, be people of leisure, travel, have what they thought to be superior morals, manners, ethics. However, my grandparents also taught me that this class of folks had somewhere along the line gained the world and lost their soul. This set of grandparents were from England too. Most of the family was not rich, and this line had been farmers, judges, teachers. I guess they were teaching me about class divisions, and that no matter what the excuse given for separateness is, that in their mind, it is a man-made excuse, and only creates reasons to cause upheavals of small and large natures. Like even fighting a war within your own country. This set of grands farmed & had at least 1 hired man. One that came in the late 20's was a black man who's foot had been severed, ahem, by the superior southern man. My grandfather thought so much of him, that when the hired man died, he was buried in our family plot. Now, I did see that my grandparents did have lines drawn. But, at least were steps ahead of most. You've all seen in the history, my other ancestors, the Presidents Adams of Massachusetts, that they went so far as to represent the black men in court and such. That's pre-civil war. For lots of reasons, a diary kept by a family uncle who escaped from the south's Libby Prison, being one---I was raised to be suspicious of the southerner. They knew they were angrily raising each generation to automatically think a newborn "Yankee Blue Belly" was "enemy". And--the southerner still felt superior, in manners in particular. The above Jefferson Davis info sure tells it---just as my grandmother told it. That's what happens, the world over, when man separates ito groups, thinking they're superior, not tolerating other's differences, perhaps fearing them. So, in the name of whatever that difference is, they fight, battle, declare war. Over and over. Meanwhile Earth is destroyed by each war, and with other abuses. Our distractions, the largest being wars, prevent us from communicating properly, so we don't unite. Apart, we can't take necessary steps to try to save what's left. I'm not merely speaking of that separateness of America's north & south. I'm speaking globally.
 

Walter F (129)
Sunday July 12, 2015, 8:10 pm
Thanks Cheryl for the post and the added comments .It appears honest Abe wasn't the painted saint many of us believed he was ..While i got an A pass in Australian , Asian and European histories prior to uni ,my knowledge of American history was only preliminary.There is a lot I don't know .Your post and comments were very informative. From what I know about your civil war, the way in which it was fought seems to have set the pattern of fighting for the future wars of the 20th century.
 

Darren Woolsey (218)
Sunday July 12, 2015, 11:36 pm
Shared on twittersphere
 

Arild Gone for now (174)
Monday July 13, 2015, 4:25 am
"The fact that it still flies, that one must debate its meaning in 2015, reflects an incredible ignorance. A century and a half after Lincoln was killed, after 750,000 of our ancestors died, Americans still aren’t quite sure why."

A great article,thanks Sheryl.
 

Birgit W (160)
Monday July 13, 2015, 5:57 am
Interesting. Thank you very much for sharing Dandelion.
 

Winn Adams (179)
Monday July 13, 2015, 6:37 am
Agree with AniMae - Thanks Sheryl.
 

SuSanne P (193)
Monday July 13, 2015, 7:29 am
AniMae, you touched on many of the points that I intended to mention. Thank you for that. In addition...
"It is difficult for modern Americans to understand such militant commitment to the bondage of others. But at $3.5 billion, the four million enslaved African Americans in the South represented the country’s greatest financial asset. And the dollar amount does not hint at the force of enslavement as a social institution."
We have a long way to go indeed, as slave labor continues with the War on Immigration at this moment.
 

Sheryl G (359)
Monday July 13, 2015, 11:13 am
Per part of Janices comment: "This freed the owner to read, instill in the family those rules & regulations to carry on to the next generation, be people of leisure, travel, have what they thought to be superior morals, manners, ethics. However, my grandparents also taught me that this class of folks had somewhere along the line gained the world and lost their soul."

Sounds like what we refer to as the 1% today.
 

Anne F (17)
Tuesday July 14, 2015, 9:30 pm
Thanks for posting a discussion of what was written in the mid 1800s. Our nation is no longer half free and half slave. We still need to improve schooling for all our children
 

Gina Caracci (219)
Thursday August 6, 2015, 7:47 pm
interesting read and comments
 
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