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German MPs Recognise Armenian Genocide Amid Turkish Fury


World  (tags: Germany, Turkey, Armenians, Armenian genocide, 1915 killings )

Sheryl
- 1052 days ago - bbc.com
Armenians say up to 1.5 million of their people died in the atrocities of 1915. Turkey says the toll was much lower and rejects the term genocide. More than 20 nations, have recognised the 1915 killings as genocide.



   

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Darren Woolsey (218)
Thursday June 2, 2016, 8:07 am
Firstly, presumably there must be sufficient evidence to make the claim and substantiate it.

Secondly though, how does this help contemporary modern day issues with the two countries and wider world view, other than the recognition that power-possessors need to be held accountable for their actions.
 

Monika A (94)
Thursday June 2, 2016, 8:25 am
The history is trying to estimate the number of people who were murdered - 1915–1917 - while the dark times of The Massacre of the Armenians. It is estimated that between 1.1 and 1.5 million Armenians lost their lives during this period.

The History Place - Genocide in the 20th Century

Well, to tell the truth, to this day Turkey denies the Armenian genocide, but history cannot be hidden or rewritten - the one and only cure - it is the truth. If the people admit the truth it will not only heal the situation, it will heal themselves as well. If more people in this world told the truth and accepted there responsibilities of their actions the world would be a better place.

"The man who is seeking truth is free of all societies and cultures." - Krishnamurti
 

ROBERTO M (7)
Thursday June 2, 2016, 8:59 am
TY , COMPLIMENTS AT THE GERMANY , BETTER LATE THAT NEVER , AND THE OTHERS COUNTRYS???????
 

Animae C (508)
Thursday June 2, 2016, 9:07 am
Thanx Dandelion
 

Sheryl G (359)
Thursday June 2, 2016, 2:34 pm
I'm a great believer in the truth will set you free. Genocide upon any people is wrong.

There are numerous photos related to the Armenian genocide taken by various eyewitnesses and included in the holdings of many archives worldwide, particularly Russian, German, Austrian, American, Norwegian, Armenian and others. Taking into account the period of the tragic events, when photo cameras were not available for everyone, especially in the war time period and in the places out of the main urban centers, those photos represent as the most important evidence of the tragedy of Armenian nation. During the WWI the Turkish government strongly prohibited taking any photos of Armenian deportees or bodies of those, who were killed or died during the death marches. Nevertheless there are hundreds of photo evidences of the Armenian genocide, which are the main visual sources of the "the first ideologically motivated genocide of the 20th century". Every year dozens of new photo materials are revealed from various sources. - See more at: http://www.genocide-museum.am/eng/photos_of_armenian_genocide.php#sthash.DmUsqiKW.dpuf

Another source....
https://mediachecker.wordpress.com/2013/06/07/the-armenian-genocide/

historical evidence
https://www.facinghistory.org/resource-library/crimes-against-humanity-and-civilization-genocide-armenians/analyzing-historical-evidence

There are more sources as to verification that this happened, there is a lot of oral history within families. As to why now was this done during such troubled times, I don't know. However it's being done so....now we'll have to see how the dust settles out.

Additional Countries that recognized the Armenian genocide are:
Argentina, Austria, Belgium, Bolivia, Brazil, Bulgaria, Canada, Chile, Cyprus, France, Greece, Italy, Lebanon, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Netherlands, Paraguay, Poland, Russia, Slovakia, Sweden, Switzerland, the United States, Uruguay, Vatican City, and Venezuela
 

Darren Woolsey (218)
Friday June 3, 2016, 1:55 am
Shared and following the website links you've kindly provide, Dandelion.

Agree to Infinity % on Genocide being wrong.
 

Stan B (123)
Friday June 3, 2016, 2:09 am
Thanks for the story Dandelion. The Turks were responsible for genocide against the Armenians despite the efforts of their Islamist government to hide the truth.
Kudos to the Germans for calling it what it is.
 

Monika A (94)
Friday June 3, 2016, 6:34 am
'A Pole of Armenian descent, prominent Polish priest Tadeusz Isakowicz-Zaleski served a liturgy, where he called on them to commemorate the massacres of Volhynia and the Armenian Genocide. After speaking about the massacres of Volhynia, the priest dwelled on the Armenian history. “Armenians who immigrated to Poland settled mainly in the east of the country. The Armenian Genocide was perpetrated by Turkish nationalists, guided with the slogan “Turkey for Turks,” he mentioned.
“1,5 million out of 2 million Armenians were massacred, while the survivors were deported. However, Turkey refuses to recognize those events as genocide to this day. At first, no country condemned the Genocide, with Vatican being the only one to do so. When Germany unleashed WWII, Hitler said that futile nations should be annihilated without the fear of responsibility. ‘
"Who, after all, speaks today of the annihilation of the Armenians?’- he said at that time, the priest reminded and added that 24 countries recognized the Armenian Genocide, including Poland in 2005.'
 

Sheryl G (359)
Friday June 3, 2016, 7:14 am
Alright, the numbers that fell ??? it sort of reminds me of the Native American genocide. The Indian people do have their count and Dominant Society (responsible for the genocide) have their count. So assuming the count on one side, those murdered was a bit exaggerated, and the count on the other side who still doesn't want to acknowledge the Native American genocide is smaller........and so assume we place that also with Armenians; there were still a heck of a lot of people wiped off the face of the Earth, simply because they all were "there" and were born that way.

It is always hard to obtain an accurate count because so many ENTIRE families were wiped out, who is it left to speak out for them? I'm inclined to feel that the loss tends to be closer to the larger number because too many bodies remain unaccounted and there is no one left to speak out to their being missing to begin with.
 

Monika A (94)
Friday June 3, 2016, 7:37 am
If we are willing to make a difference,please sign the petition :
Sign the Armenian Genocide Petition
 

Sheryl G (359)
Friday June 3, 2016, 8:25 am
Thank you for signing our online petition voicing your support for the recognition of the Armenian Genocide!
 

Janet B (0)
Friday June 3, 2016, 8:25 am
Thanks
 

Darren Woolsey (218)
Friday June 3, 2016, 8:53 am
Signed and petition and shared the link all over social media, Monika.
 

JL A (281)
Friday June 3, 2016, 8:56 am
Until we acknowledge history, we cannot learn from it to avoid repeating mistakes. I'm glad one more country has shown a willingness to do so here.
 

John De Avalon (36)
Friday June 3, 2016, 10:15 am
Good for Germany. Turkey should face up to its shame.
 

John De Avalon (36)
Friday June 3, 2016, 10:17 am
If you go on Google and search for the film 'Auction of Soul', also known as 'Ravished Armenia'. It was filmed in 1919, is not graphic but is still shocking. It tells the story of what happened as recorded by those who lived through it ...

'The evil that men do'
 

Knud T (53)
Friday June 3, 2016, 12:53 pm
Wel done Germany, - German & Turkey have genocide in commen.
Signed/shared
 

Mandi T (366)
Friday June 3, 2016, 12:54 pm
TY Sheryl
 

Birgit W (160)
Friday June 3, 2016, 1:08 pm
Thanks for sharing Dandelion.
 

Sheryl G (359)
Friday June 3, 2016, 1:18 pm
Here is the link to the short film that was mentioned by John De Avalon
Auction of Soul or Ravished Armenia
 

Lois Jordan (63)
Friday June 3, 2016, 2:08 pm
Noted. Thanks, Dandelion.
Petition signed.
 

Stan B (123)
Friday June 3, 2016, 2:25 pm
Petition signed thanks Monica.
What's disgraceful is that it's taken a hundred years for a Western government to formally acknowledge it WAS genocide.
 

Darren Woolsey (218)
Friday June 3, 2016, 2:36 pm
That short film mentioned by John De Avalon, just shared that throughout social media.
The music, by Mahler I think, was used in Death In Venice. Very Poignant

Reshared your petition also all over social media, Dandelion.
 

Darren Woolsey (218)
Friday June 3, 2016, 3:07 pm
That that film over social media, Dandelion & John.

Very poignant, especially with the music by Mahler.
 

Lenore K (0)
Friday June 3, 2016, 3:21 pm
ty
 

Sheryl G (359)
Friday June 3, 2016, 3:58 pm
Just finished watching the film that John suggested, and although old, it certainly covered a lot of territory. We can thank the young girl who survived for sharing the tragedies and inhumane actions of humans upon other humans. Aurora Mardiganian had to relive this but I suppose she summoned the courage in order to present to the world what had taken place that her eyes had witnessed. No one should have to endure such and that game of swords was one I'd never heard of before and was particularly savage and totally torturous. How other humans could watch and cheer is beyond me.
 

marie C (163)
Friday June 3, 2016, 4:51 pm
Turkey will never stand up to their shame
If we do not leave EU
Five million are waiting to come to UK I will be coming to America
Also the whole of Albania want to come in to UK so hallo USA
 

Mitchell D (82)
Friday June 3, 2016, 5:22 pm
Petition signed.
I will look at the movie, shortly.
Speaking of genocide, and Germany, which has come to accept its responsibility (I have met a Holocaust survivor who has given talks, by invitation, about his experiences, to German High schools), I am reading a phenomenal book, by the granddaughter of Amon Goeth, the Commandant of the Plaszow, otherwise known as "the butcher of Plaszow." The book is "My Grandfather would Have Shot Me, A black Woman's Discovers He Family's Nazi past," by Jennifer Teege.
Thanks, Dandelion.
 

Walter F (128)
Friday June 3, 2016, 5:59 pm
Thanks for that petition Monica , Turkey cannot rewrite history, Even if the number was less than stated it,cannot deny it did happen, they murdered these people ,It has a shameful past It also slaughtered at least 3500 Pontian Greeks between 1916 -23. Turkey may argue about statistics but cannot deny or refute their brutal shameful past .
 

Sheryl G (359)
Friday June 3, 2016, 6:17 pm
Thanks for the suggested reading Mitchell.
 

Mitchell D (82)
Friday June 3, 2016, 6:21 pm
Saw the movie!
The title of the book, above,is obviously, victim to typos: "My Grandfather would Have Shot Me, A Black Woman Discovers Her Family's Nazi Past."
 

robert Petermann (79)
Friday June 3, 2016, 8:43 pm
This comes up every once in awhile and Turkey never claims responsibility.
 

Rose Becke (141)
Friday June 3, 2016, 10:27 pm
True JLA also signed
 

Angelika R (143)
Saturday June 4, 2016, 4:30 pm
The disgusting part about this was the key figures of government-Merkel, Steinmeier (foreign min.) and Gabriel (vice chancellor) chickened out by absence from the vote. Each had their own excuse, of course...
I wish SOMEBODY in our lousy govt. would find the courage to tell the sultan to just STFU!
 

Darren Woolsey (218)
Sunday June 5, 2016, 1:37 am
Reshared that petition.

Is there any way to check the tally of signers?
 

Maryann S (112)
Sunday June 5, 2016, 7:59 pm
Signed & shared. Thanks Dandelion.
 

Arild Gone for now (174)
Tuesday June 7, 2016, 2:01 am
Thank you for signing our online petition voicing your support for the recognition of the Armenian Genocide!
 
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