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A highly-disputed waterway through which $5 trillion in international trade passes annually, most of the South China Sea is claimed by China, though there are overlapping claims by Taiwan, the Philippines, Brunei, Malaysia, and Vietnam.


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Animae C (507)
Sunday August 14, 2016, 4:46 pm
china at it again, trouble making bullies!!!

JL A (281)
Sunday August 14, 2016, 5:34 pm
Thanks for helping people understand why the South China Sea is so important for the context to all the various warships moving to being there stories Dandelion.

Sheryl G (359)
Sunday August 14, 2016, 6:03 pm
Well when we started with the TPP we also began to move our ships into this region knowing that China would react. Again, it's a $5 trillion international trade pass, now you know why Vietnam, Brunei, Malaysia is included with the others in the TPP. Also our previous ties with Australia and Japan didn't hurt......

I was placing articles and mentioning this at least 3 years ago - here it is.

Darren Woolsey (218)
Sunday August 14, 2016, 10:07 pm
Shared to spread awareness.
Where business and making money is concerned. . .

Dawnie W (250)
Sunday August 14, 2016, 10:19 pm
❤️ Thanking you kindly for sharing this information❤️
💕💛ღ❤️Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ💕♥L💜ve, Hugs and Peace go with you all♥💕Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ❤️ღ💛💕

Birgit W (160)
Monday August 15, 2016, 3:42 pm
Thanks for sharing.

Angelika R (143)
Monday August 15, 2016, 4:58 pm
Been following this too for almost a year now, before China started to put up the runway on their artificial hub.
Yep, spells trouble, big trouble.
You should also read the other links at site.
"To understand the Big Picture, we need to go back to 1890 when Alfred Mahan, then president of the US Naval College, wrote the seminal The Influence of Sea Power Upon History, 1660-1783. Mahan’s central thesis is that the US should go global in search of new markets, and protect these new trade routes through a network of naval bases.

That is the embryo of the US Empire of Bases – which de facto started after the Spanish-American war, over a century ago, when the US graduated to Pacific power status by annexing the Philippines, Hawaii and Guam.
Western – American and European — colonialism is strictly responsible for the current, incendiary sovereignty battle in the South China Sea. It’s the West that came up with most land borders – and maritime borders — of these states. " [-]

I don't envy our OZ friends in this situation..especially those near Darwin...

Walter F (129)
Monday August 15, 2016, 6:00 pm
The former sleeping giant is well and truly awake and flexing its muscles and ready to take on any who dissemble from its views and ambitions.We have a lot to worry, about

Past Member (0)
Monday August 15, 2016, 8:04 pm
Noted with thanks, Dandelion---but having great difficulty typing, due to this site's technical diffs.

Darren Woolsey (218)
Tuesday August 16, 2016, 12:13 am
As "Deep Throat" observed in All The President's Men, one of the greatest political thrillers of all time, "follow the money"

Corporate Capitalists are only interested in this stuff, and increasing stock. Planet Earth to them is a huge casino.

Arild Gone for now (174)
Tuesday August 16, 2016, 4:40 am
Another reason for the USA's defense to spend more of your tax dollars.

. (0)
Tuesday August 16, 2016, 5:14 am
tyfs Dandelion

Winn A (179)
Tuesday August 16, 2016, 6:54 am
Thanks Sheryl

Angelika R (143)
Tuesday August 16, 2016, 8:05 am
While the article does speak to the contested rich fishing grounds in that area, what it does not mention is, of course, the other reason, most likely the only or more true one: yes, you guessed it, as always: resources! More precise: the suspected huge oil and gas fields in the sea below!
here's an earier Forbes article

Angelika R (143)
Tuesday August 16, 2016, 8:07 am
Nice deflection by speaking of "Trade waterways here, huh? ;)

John De Avalon (36)
Tuesday August 16, 2016, 8:13 am
China flexing its muscles. And who is going to stop them? The other countries in the region are in no position to stand up to China's vast army and they know it ....

Sheryl G (359)
Tuesday August 16, 2016, 10:39 am
This is why I feel this TPP is going to be shoved down our throats no matter what. The pieces have been being put in place, the naval, the troops moving into Australia, Under TPP 40% of the people and the land the people are on will be under this TPP. The Corporate rulers will rule, because it strips the govt. of the rights of the people. And it will be the poor and the former middle class that will bear the burden of it on all sides whatever that burden will be.

One has to wonder why the media is now turning on Trump when it had built him up and he was their little darling - made CBS money, remember the CEO stating that. But now Trump has come out clearly against TPP - and the Corporate media turned on him. Imagine that. Did he step on the 3rd rail? Hillary has only meekly said she was against it - parroting Bernie. I don't hear her speaking about it anymore, now Bernie is gone. Chamber of Commerce Lobbyist Tom Donohue never believed her to begin with and told all the 1% not to worry, she doesn't really mean it, she is trying to get elected.

Andrea H (0)
Tuesday August 16, 2016, 1:10 pm

Lois Jordan (63)
Tuesday August 16, 2016, 1:53 pm
Noted. Thanks for the info, Dandelion.

Well, this is not what I voted for a Democratic president to do. I have been fighting against various issues that Obama has wanted almost since he took office. Will 'The People' ever have any say in matters again on any issue?
I was so tired of fighting while Bush was in it all built to a crescendo during the Bank Bailout at the end of his term. I was SO looking forward to our new Dem president listening to the people and keeping his promises.
Seems all we really got was another puppet for the 1%, and I am so tired of all of this. The American Empire wants to control the entire planet as much as possible, and keep the 1% fat, dumb and happy......and the rest of us poor, impoverished slaves apparently. We need a massive movement to stop this and turn things around, since they are already out of hand.

Past Member (0)
Tuesday August 16, 2016, 2:28 pm

Excellent comments by Angelika on August 15, 2016, 4:58 pm

"That is the embryo of the US Empire of Bases...."


China and Russia have decided to join forces strategically hoping to bully the U.S. out of Asia altogether. They want the US to keep spending more money by stretching its military forces to the limit. China's actions guarantee more money will be spend to secure Asia and the full-out deployment of military resources in the Arctic by Russia guarantees the US will spend more to secure the Arctic.

Both regions, as Angelika pointed out, are rich in resources but the US might not be able to extract them financially because of the debt it is piling up. Throw in the 1-2 billion dollars a day spent in the Middle East and it's clear what the Russians and Chinese are trying to do: Bankrupt the USA with a "boa-constrictor" type strategy....and it's only a matter of time. They will increase the pressure slowly in each one of the regions mentioned forcing the US to engage and overspend...the only way to survive will be to substantially lessen its presence in one or two of the regions OR get its Allies + NATO to seriously increase their payments of money and/or forces to the US.

If that last sentence sounds exactly like what Slump has repeatedly said in his speeches, that's because it IS. At least he's gotten that right. The media raked his ass over the coals for saying our Allies/NATO need to contribute more, but if they don't, they and the US could lose Asia, Arctic, Middle East or the US could go bankrupt trying to defend them. If that were to happen, the 2008 Wall St Shearing might be likened to an episode of Mr. Roger's Neighborhood.

Whoever is elected in Nov will have to double or triple the military budget because of the reasons stated above, and here's another reason to add to the stack, in the past two years alone 50,000 bombs have been dropped in the Mid-East. Set aside the sickening Moral Regression for a moment, the cost of the bombs and the maintenance of the equipment dropping the bombs is staggering. On the dems side, that means that TPP will certainly have to pass if only to get more countries in that region to buy our debt/T-Bills. One repubs side, Slump will want them flat out to pay up...maybe he can do so with his negotiating "charm". Ha!

Where does that leave us at home? The monies needed in those 3 regions alone can not be taken from Social Security, Medicare, Education or any other social program.....we are beyond that point, many of the programs are just scraping by now. The republican/Pox News "cut ALL entitlement programs" mantra will fall on deaf ears and probably will stir up much anger when the facts become known.

Here is a political observation not an endorsement: Slump wants the US to disengage some from the world or have our allies + Nato pick up the future slack in the Mid-East, Arctic, and Asia NOT because of any Libertarian leaning or because he is an Isolationist, the reason is: if the US doesn't, it will go BANKRUPT.....maybe the candidate who is well acquainted with bankruptcy is on the something?!?


Wendi M (9)
Tuesday August 16, 2016, 2:37 pm
TYFS Noted how is this not Nationsl News?
Again thank you Dandelion

Hartson Doak (39)
Tuesday August 16, 2016, 3:01 pm
Awesome observation from Randy, Dandelion, Angelika & Ros. I agree with them that MOST of the problems in the South China Sea is caused by the US imperialism. This will ALL go away soon. The world is on a knife edge. The US is about to fall off into a economic bankruptcy that will take the rest of the world with it. What comes out the other side is the US will be just one State in the Global Union of Nations. The global union will have ONE single currency, a single system of weights and measure, The US making the rest of the world doing my way or else will be over. We have essentially achieved economic unity. We are soon going to achieve politic unity.

Janet B (0)
Tuesday August 16, 2016, 3:25 pm

Angelika R (143)
Tuesday August 16, 2016, 4:14 pm
So much for " Putin's quagmire" and Obama knows this quite well too! No wonder he's fighting tooth and nail to have the deal rammed through, watch it!

Lenore K (0)
Tuesday August 16, 2016, 4:43 pm

Sheryl G (359)
Tuesday August 16, 2016, 5:05 pm
It is not National News because our news channels are entertainment channels to keep you away from the real news.

Freya H (345)
Tuesday August 16, 2016, 7:18 pm
Just one more of a zillion reasons why we should all totally oppose the TPP. China will benefit enormously from it, and the Bully of Asia's schoolyard will gain more muscle.

Colleen L (3)
Tuesday August 16, 2016, 10:24 pm
Agree with Animae's comment. Thanks Dandelion

Margie FOURIE (148)
Wednesday August 17, 2016, 12:27 am
Thank you

Animae C (507)
Wednesday August 17, 2016, 2:37 am
Yup it's the new order!!!

Angelika R (143)
Wednesday August 17, 2016, 3:56 am
Perhaps Ros might also add that neither has Putin's Russia "invaded" anyone as quite opposed to the US!
Anyone telling you differently, like the MSM is simply LYING, propaganda.

Janet B (0)
Wednesday August 17, 2016, 2:29 pm

Mandi T (366)
Wednesday August 17, 2016, 5:44 pm
China grr Tls Sheryl

Margie FOURIE (148)
Thursday August 18, 2016, 12:58 am
Thank you

Janet B (0)
Thursday August 18, 2016, 1:07 pm

Maryann S (112)
Thursday August 18, 2016, 4:04 pm
Thanks for sharing Dandelion.

Sheryl G (359)
Friday August 19, 2016, 10:23 am
Good luck the Chinese and other own a lot of the USA now. Roads, toll booths, parking meters, buildings, land, mineral rights, bit by bit our Country has been sold off.

Darren Woolsey (218)
Friday August 19, 2016, 12:09 pm
This is what happens within a Corporate Capitalist Conservative right-wing government model. Exactly the same has happened with Britain. If they can find a way to sell of something, they will.

Sheryl G (359)
Friday August 19, 2016, 2:37 pm
Disgusting isn't it Darren. Our tolls roads had to be approved by the people of the area before they could raise the tolls and then by how much. Even to build a toll road it had to go before the vote of the people and it had an end, the tolls were to cover the cost of the roadway then it ended after so many years.

Now, because these roadways have been sold, there is no end to the tolls because it is a "private" road and the tolls go up higher and higher with no say in the matter. You don't want to pay the toll then you drive the extra hour or two to get to the same spot. Same thing with parking meters, the cost to park a car anymore in some places one must take out a small loan.

Is disgusting.......I hate it. There is nothing in that kind of system that is "humane" it's not a system for the human being - it is a system that makes money for a few at the expense of the many. Then we wonder why people are stressed and depressed this isn't a fun system to live in; and it grow worse each year.

Darren Woolsey (218)
Saturday August 20, 2016, 12:15 am
No, it's not Globalization, per se. It's what Globalization SPREADS that is the problem. If you have a healthy mixture of engagement with Socialism AND Capitalism, then not as many problems as we have now. The problem becomes evident once one country believes in its own rhetoric bullsh$t of supremacy and control over others. Then cue the Unites States of Egoistic ass holes. They're just continuing where other "empires" have come and gone before.

Sheryl G (359)
Saturday August 20, 2016, 5:48 am
EXACTLY! Ros....yes so many hate it but they keep supporting it with their vote.
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