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Aleppo 7 Year Old Girls Twitter Account Goes Silent

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- 897 days ago -
Tonight we have no house it is bombed and I got in rubble. I saw deaths and I almost died. Under heavy bombardments now. In between death and life now, please keep praying for us. Last message - under heavy bombardments now, can not be alive anymore.


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Sheryl G (359)
Monday December 5, 2016, 10:41 am
"I want to live like a child. I'm very afraid' Bana

The army got in, this could be our last days sincerely talking. No internet. Please please please pray for us.

The string of tweets included one with the words, “Please save us right now.”


JL A (281)
Monday December 5, 2016, 10:52 am
Heartbreaking--thanks for helping us remember the children like this sweet girl Dandelion...too many have died

Philippa P (10)
Monday December 5, 2016, 11:29 am
Noted. Thanks, Dandelion. I hope she and her family are alright!

Sue H (7)
Monday December 5, 2016, 12:14 pm
Prayers Up.

Animae C (508)
Monday December 5, 2016, 12:35 pm
They are always on my mind since i saw them dying of starvation & being bombed!
Sending LIGHT!

Animae C (508)
Tuesday December 6, 2016, 12:33 am
Aleppo's Children Are Being Murdered. Demand a No-Fly Zone in Northern Syria Now!

Animae C (508)
Tuesday December 6, 2016, 12:36 am
Make Sure People Trapped Inside Syria Have Enough to Eat

Arild W (174)
Tuesday December 6, 2016, 3:41 am
A sad story but let's hope for the best.

Arild W (174)
Tuesday December 6, 2016, 3:42 am
Petition signed Animae.

Ed Site Issues V (198)
Tuesday December 6, 2016, 1:02 pm
S&N, Thanks

Lois J (63)
Tuesday December 6, 2016, 3:59 pm
Noted. Thanks, Dandelion.
Very sad. I hope it turns out that she's okay.

Cyn F (137)
Tuesday December 6, 2016, 7:26 pm
Hope she's safe. Thanks, Dandelion

Kay M (46)
Tuesday December 6, 2016, 9:46 pm
Good evening and thank you for this article- which i read and noted- OH MY GOODNESS -my heart breaks for this sweet innocent little girl and her family- ever since I first heard about her tweeting- I have had her in my thoughts and prayers- now that her tweets have gone silent -I AM AFRAID VERY AFRAID -for her whole town -what there is left of it- THIS IS CRIMINAL -that no one has stepped in and rescued these families---sincerely KAY M.

Eric L (6)
Wednesday December 7, 2016, 4:48 am
I hope her and her family made it out of that hell hole.

We need to end our proxy war in Syria and elsewhere and start promoting Peace. Our many innocent lives have been lost in the last 60 years due to our interventionist foreign policy. And for what gain?

Let's plant Peace & Liberty and give it a chance to grow. Let's once again be a beacon of hope in this dark world.

Marija M (25)
Wednesday December 7, 2016, 7:19 am
Poor children ...tks Dandelion.

Pat B (356)
Wednesday December 7, 2016, 11:32 am
Absolutely heartbreaking!
Thanks, Dandelion for this.

*Animae: Already signed 1st petition
Pat, you took action on October 15, 2016
Signed 2nd one just now. Thanks!!

Gene J (287)
Wednesday December 7, 2016, 1:07 pm
What people do to other people in the name of religion is, was and will always be immorality, blasphemy at its absolute worst. This poor child, all of those poor children the world over whose lives are so horrifically impacted by the amoral adults around them, for them I weep.

Evelyn B (63)
Wednesday December 7, 2016, 1:21 pm
In the multi-directional conflict, there's no way that any side will stop their offensives unilaterally.

We're not looking at a simple equation: (Assad/Putin) vs opposition ... 2 sides.
We've got:
=> US vs Putin (make no mistake - this is a geopolitical reality)
=> Multiple "oppositions" - some fighting each other as well ...
=> US vs Assad
=> US vs Daesh
=> Assad/Putin vs "Opposition"
=> Assad/Putin vs Daesh
=> US+ some opposition vs Daesh (except where Daesh is vs Assad/Putin) .....
_____ then it becomes like the old style country dancing " OK: Change your partners" where rule #1 is WHAT? US vs Putin ...

And God take care of the millions of kids, men, women, elderly who just happen to live within the zones where the macabre dance moves on ... Who experience those attacking the powers-that-be where they live as being the aggressors.
For those who stayed in Aleppo, next time, the aggressors could be Daesh, or the US, or the opposition.
The only "STABLE" point are the heroes who aren't fighting, but who step out to help and protect the victims around them, irrespective of who's fighting whom.

People like the "Cat man of Aleppo", the doctors, nurses, ambulance drivers, ... and the unsung good neighbours who give a helping hand to those around them.

Evelyn B (63)
Wednesday December 7, 2016, 1:24 pm
This kid - and the thousands like her in the conflict zones in Syria & Iraq (and in Gaza) ... their lifelines to humanity are the people across cyberspace who care enough to ask where the twitter/ FB/ Care2 missing voice has gone ...

Evelyn B (63)
Wednesday December 7, 2016, 1:26 pm
Thanks, Dandelion, for sharing
(And thanks, Eric, for the point you made *************)

Beth M (138)
Wednesday December 7, 2016, 1:43 pm
The innocent suffer most in war. Things will not get better when Trump is in office.

Darren Woolsey (218)
Wednesday December 7, 2016, 2:33 pm
Shared the news article over social media to spread awareness.

Hyperlinked both petitions
Make Sure People Trapped Inside Syria Have Enough to Eat
4,000 GOAL

Aleppo's Children Are Being Murdered. Demand a No-Fly Zone in Northern Syria Now!
80,000 GOAL

Mandi T (367)
Wednesday December 7, 2016, 5:24 pm
So sad, AniMae 1st petition A/S Second petition signed 3,341 SUPPORTERS

Angelika R (143)
Wednesday December 7, 2016, 6:05 pm
Corporate news, of course. --what have we said and affirmed over and gain about that.. I wish there had been a more thorough research before posting this. Thought you had learned the lesson from the 'White Helmets'..

Colleen L (3)
Wednesday December 7, 2016, 11:51 pm
My thoughts and prayers go out. Thanks Dandelion

Margie F (148)
Thursday December 8, 2016, 12:13 am
Hope she is safe.

ewoud k (68)
Thursday December 8, 2016, 6:13 am
Looks like she's back on twitter.....she posted 12/07 at about 15pm GMT......

Poor kid, poor Aleppo....

Eric L (6)
Thursday December 8, 2016, 6:46 am
We are not getting the whole truth with the war in Syria. What is wrong with our government and media?

"The West’s Silence About the Bombing of Russia’s Hospital in Aleppo is Shameful"
"Western governments and Western media who have claimed over the last few months to care so much about the fate of hospitals in Aleppo now have an indisputable story about an actual attack on an actual hospital in Aleppo. They have however practically nothing to say about it. They have not even made the very bad argument that the Russians brought the attack on themselves by attacking other hospitals in Syria.

I suspect the silence is in part driven by reluctance to admit to the Western public the embarrassing fact that the Russians, instead of barbarically bombing hospitals in Aleppo, are actually sending hospitals to Aleppo.

The main reason however is surely that the hospital is Russian. As in so many other matters that concern Russia and Russians, attacks on Russian hospitals somehow in the West simply don’t matter in the way attacks on other hospitals do, even if those hospitals are controlled by Al-Qaeda, and even if there are good reasons to doubt whether they even exist."

Eric L (6)
Thursday December 8, 2016, 7:24 am
@Beth "The innocent suffer most in war. Things will not get better when Trump is in office"

Maybe, but Trump may actually pull back the NATO dogs of war that Obama has been lining up at Russia's borders. We know Clinton would have continued the escalation all the way to WWIII if necessary.

Evelyn B (63)
Thursday December 8, 2016, 11:10 am
Eric - *******************************************************************

For both your recent comments.
On the second - I was astonished to find myself "nodding" at what he said about the Middle East/Syria during the debates. I never expected to hear ANYTHING that made real sense coming from him - whether he took the position just to be opposite to HC? But it didn't come across that way, it seemed to be one of the few points where he actually had thought things through ... and I found there a tiny ray of hope. The only one - because most of the time, he seemed to be playing to audiences, & coherency wasn't something he worried about.

And on your first comment - it doesn't suit the Western narrative to use any colour but excrement shades to paint the picture of anything to do with Russia.

It's fine for Allied/US supported action against Daesh to impact on civilians (and yes, there are kids like Bana in the towns & villages under Daesh-control, although they probably have poor cellphone/internet access & can't be tweeting effectively) with shelling. Collateral damage ... Very sad, tragic even, but can't be helped, don't let's think too much about it.

And we would do well to bear this in mind when faced with one-sided highlighting & criticism of the price being paid by civilians, innocents, children growing up shaped by conflict ... For every case we hear about (like Bana) there's an invisible parallel in the zones which it doesn't suit our media-controllers to tell us about.

War is the worst face of (in)"human"kind. Solves nothing, & is NEVER truly 100% saints against 100% devils

Jeff C (64)
Thursday December 8, 2016, 11:43 am

fly b (26)
Thursday December 8, 2016, 11:50 am
Thank you for comments and post, Angelika, Eric and Evelyn.

Nothing to add, except, save the children! Stop the insanity.

Birgit W (160)
Thursday December 8, 2016, 1:07 pm
What a heartbreaking article. I am sending them all my love. PEACE please!

Angelika R (143)
Thursday December 8, 2016, 1:29 pm
I think I WILL ADD a few more things, just to relieve those who actually didn't recognize the fraudulent propaganda once again and pained for this girl. Yes, she IS a poor girl, but for being abused and exploited, NOT for the fake stories her account handler (run by an 'activist', a man, btw, not even her mom) threw out to the world!
Rest assured she is doing ok.
Here's a bit reading material and even the NYT is now voicing the doubt-late, very late, still better than not at all.

and there ate tons more... WAKE UP folks.

Angelika R (143)
Thursday December 8, 2016, 1:49 pm
If other than myself, more people here would follow the Syria mess on a DAILY BASIS and very thoroughly evaluating most media stories of a wide spectrum of international news, including Russian sources, they would have discovered long ago this nasty scam, seems the old tricks keep on working, only names change, be it Saddam's WMD or the twisted Maidan story, whatever. Same old, same old!

More and more in recent days the truth comes to light, as inside the now liberated, i.e. re-captured districts of East Aleppo by their rightful owners, the Syrian army for their country, all those places for which the Russians were continuously and without any evidence blamed for bombing, are being exposed for what they actually were:
schools, hospitals, bakeries etc -ALL having been used as REBEL MIITARY HQ. Now after 'rebels', read terrorists, been driven out and/or eliminated we can see what they left: Rooms full of left behind ammo inside, the kind they have been bombing West-Aleppo (govt. run) with, causing death and destruction the media would NOT report, also rooms full of medical stock, medicines, alledgedl 'out'.
There are videos, reports, etc-IF one bothers to know.

Worse: the VERY SAME THING is happening right now in and around MOSUL- media outcry, warcrimes, crimes ginst humanities ? ZERO, 'coz its the 'good guys' doing it. Nearly 100.000 IDPs and refugees currently.

Angelika R (143)
Thursday December 8, 2016, 1:58 pm
As Evelyn correctly pointed out-draw the parallel to GAZA - all of which including the civilian population having been considerd a 'Military base/zone' by the IDF during their repeated assaults, acting accordingly and with impunity.
Nothing to add.

Evelyn B (63)
Thursday December 8, 2016, 2:00 pm
The NYT article is particularly good - because it discusses all around the question.

As with the White Helmets challenges - I suspect there is a mix of truth and (ab)use for propaganda. From Syrians I've met through work, I know that there are "heroes", genuine ones, who are NOT propaganda tools. And I know - from experience - that the emotions of fear etc expressed by "Bana" are all too real when one is under conflict conditions. Most kids, in either side of Aleppo, in every location where the conflict is active (in Iraq & Yemen as in Syria) lives these fears; for many, it has become their reality, so much so that perhaps at age 7, they'd probably only tweet about it with the encouragement of adults around them. Who also add the political twist to the messages ...

Which doesn't mean they don't FEEL the emotions.

And insisting on throwing the whole message represented by "Bana" is negating a truth for ALL those kids.
DUMP the political labels - but hear the human child's suffering and fear.

Just as trying to dismiss the heroism represented by the White Helmets leads to dumping recognition that there ARE heroes - unsung - in the hellholes of the conflict. I have friends who are working with people within Syria who are trying to find out the reality of the White Helmets ... but they talk of heroes they've met who are doing much as the White Helmets are reported to be doing ... just, the ones they've met aren't plastered across any media.

Be careful not to swing to the opposite extreme because of opposing the politics that are manipulating stories that come out.

Jamie C (282)
Thursday December 8, 2016, 2:37 pm
The CIA ended the psyop program because Stump wants us out of Syria.

Tom P (29)
Thursday December 8, 2016, 9:23 pm
It's their fault. Russia, Iran, CIA, rebelds, Assad, Putin, bush, Obama, his fault, their fault, who's fault who cares. Pray. For sanity.

Darren Woolsey (218)
Thursday December 8, 2016, 11:45 pm
Reshared both petitions
Make Sure People Trapped Inside Syria Have Enough to Eat
5,000 GOAL

Aleppo's Children Are Being Murdered. Demand a No-Fly Zone in Northern Syria Now!

I do hope, whilst you're engaged in the "blame game" Tom P., that you're signing and sharing the petition. By the quirky chance of fate you and your family are not in Syria so you're not in fear of your life.

Blaming Putin, Iran, China, whoever is moot, when you consider the U.S. and Britain have exploited more countries in their deluded quest for spreading their form of democracy, and exploiting the rich resources of other countries. . . but then that's BUSINESS. . .

Boris "Rughead" Johnson was vivified by Theresa May and her right-wing government the other day, for speaking the truth, as business doesn't want to hear it.
85,000 GOAL

Darren Woolsey (218)
Thursday December 8, 2016, 11:47 pm
Apologies for the formatting above. . . must do better!

Evelyn B (63)
Friday December 9, 2016, 2:53 am
The trouble with "No Fly Zones" established by the US & its allies is that the "NO FLY" only applies to others!!! The US-related contingent "have" to send their military aircraft to fly over to check that no-one (else) is flying over ...........
(No further comment!!!)

Margie F (148)
Friday December 9, 2016, 4:48 am
Still no response?

Jelica R (144)
Friday December 9, 2016, 3:06 pm
A story in Alternet yesterday exposes the media offices of something called the "Revolutionary Forces of Syria" is actually run by westerners based in Turkey and paid for by the British government.

The outfit gave itself away when it tried to recruit a managing editor. The guy in question turned down the job despite the eye-watering offer of $17,000 a month and blew the whistle on them instead:

“I would have been talking to opposition people on the ground and writing news pieces based on statements from media activists who are affiliated with the armed groups in places like Aleppo,” the reporter later explained.

British Govt-Funded Outlet Offered Journalist $17,000 a Month to Produce Propaganda for Syrian Rebels

And what happened to Bana? Last I saw, she was in a shelter with young families; men. women and some toddlers.... men spoke about how they are under heavy bomb attack and they are all going to die there, but no explosions are heard and they all look VERY relaxed. Bana said a few words, which were a far cry from her usual Tweeter eloquence and linguistic skills. It seems that she had gotten more than "a little help" from her mother in tweeting. Most probably, her story is a psy-op -- as Angelika demonstrated in her December 8, 2016, 1:29 pm comment.

It is an ongoing tragedy in Aleppo and many other places we never heard of, that children are both victims and propaganda proxies for the same people who harm them. We should be very ashamed for letting the children be used and abused, and even more for falling for venomously cynical "Right to Protect" imperial games. Be very careful, especially when a narrative appeals to your emotions. Psy-op operators are so good at playing on our most basic human urges. What could be more human than to protect a child?

It is devastating,,, what a world we live in....


Evelyn B (63)
Saturday December 10, 2016, 3:57 am
**************************** Jelica & Ros

It's up to the readers to be vigilant when "emotive" triggers are used to manipulate us into taking one side in conflict. The question "Is this trying to make me angry/ hate one side of a conflict?" needs to be asked systematically, every time emotional buttons are pushed by a media story.

If one goes away from the story damning one side and effectively white-washing the other ... it's probably propaganda.

It's also propaganda when the message is "this is propaganda so reject it totally: those responsible for the propaganda are those in the wrong" - leaving an implicit message that the OTHER side are the 'good guys'.

There are children & animals paying the price of this conflict across all the conflict zone.
There are 'heroes', most of them unsung, across all the conflict zone.

I think we can & should take the "Banas" & the "White Helmets" to symbolise these, the victims & the heroes on the ground - and REJECT the manipulation intended to point us to white-washing one side.

There are children, there are cats & dogs, there are people taking risks to rescue victims, in the regime-controlled areas, in the areas not under Daesh-control ... living the same hell. It doesn't change anything whether the bombs, shells, & bullets come from Syrian/Russian alliance troops', US/Allied troops', or opposition militias' equipment. Just as frightening, just as deadly ... just as inhuman for the civilians

Evelyn B (63)
Saturday December 10, 2016, 4:12 am
Ros - your link went to the subscription page!
It seems that couriermail sets the link to do that (I got the same link from the page when I found it.) I don't know whether this following link will take one through Google, or direct to the right page ... but I hope it will work!
The untold story of Andrew Hastie’s tragic SAS mission in Afghanistan

DEFINITELY a must-read - so if the link doesn't work, try googling the title.

Lenore K (0)
Saturday December 10, 2016, 12:51 pm

Sheryl G (359)
Sunday December 11, 2016, 6:45 am
Evelyn "And I know - from experience - that the emotions of fear etc expressed by "Bana" are all too real when one is under conflict conditions. Most kids, in either side of Aleppo, in every location where the conflict is active (in Iraq & Yemen as in Syria) lives these fears; for many, it has become their reality, so much so that perhaps at age 7, they'd probably only tweet about it with the encouragement of adults around them. Who also add the political twist to the messages ...

Which doesn't mean they don't FEEL the emotions.

And insisting on throwing the whole message represented by "Bana" is negating a truth for ALL those kids.
DUMP the political labels - but hear the human child's suffering and fear."

Thank you, this is why I posted this, whether she is being used as propaganda or not, there are actual living children that are caught in this, as Tom P rightly stated it "insanity".

There were children suffering and dying with the bombing in Gaza and each time I placed a news story on about their suffering I'd always have one or more come onto the thread and tell me that it wasn't so that it was propaganda, children made to look hurt so on so forth.

So.......what shall I do, never post a story about children in war again? Because I know they suffer on all of the sides, as they are being used, abused, are terrified and they die, lose limbs, watch family be killed. I alone can't stop this, but there are few who join me as I stand out on the corners with signs year after year with simple message Stop The Wars. I guess people too busy to speak out, to call, to write, to petition, to even stand beside me one day with a sign of their own.

One Happy Atheist on and Stop The War on one corner and the other corners full of Praise Jesus, Repent, Honk if you love Jesus and Be Saved........and the wars continue.....but I never forget the children because each day I look at my own grandchildren and feel if I don't speak out I've failed them as well. We are all as One -

I wish Angelika you'd post more on the topic along the way as you know better so we could all have quick access to the posts that would be nice :-) Not just when I do my "faux pas" in your eyes.

Thanks all for your contributions. I'm glad the little girl is alive I just wish all the children could have a good childhood of feeling safe, loved, enough food, and school to go to daily, smiles and laughter until one day they can be an adult and protect the children in the future from the ongoing insanity. Like John Lennon you may say I'm a dreamer - but I too am not the only one. Continue to speak out however you can.

As to the No Fly Zone that was something Hillary wanted to do, and although I understand on first thought it appears a good idea that was something I couldn't support as it would of led to worse circumstances.

Angelika R (143)
Sunday December 11, 2016, 8:22 am
Sheryl, tgat * for your last comment is basically for your last paragraph. Thanks to ros as well for pointing to it and calling out Darren.
I was SHOCKED at the petition/s posted for that all out full blown US-driven war any n-fly zone INEVITABLY means.

Sorry, I find myself unable to fulfill your wish, sheryl, regarding my posting on THIS lousy site/forum.
I've begun to largely retreat as some may have noticed and for good reasons. Those are not merely the endless tech issues, glitches etc, i.e. total inability(unwilingness/indifference?) by the site itself. Also it does not satisfy my requirement/demand for exposing what I believe to be probably THE MAJOR issue for all the world's trouble, which is my personal focus point.
Much, if not most of that involves around the ME, which is much closer to me/us in Europe, hence we call it the NEAR EAST:
Naturally a bit different, given I am NOT American, in contrast to the site and the majority here in this forum. So for me it is more rewarding and satisfactory to continue my activism in other forums, where there are no such childish little tools built in to attract and adhere the members.

I do think the never ending confrontation between the poles in terms of global powers and serious discussions over it including above all exposing the propaganda - which frankly, comes from both sides in terms of the two major global powers, however, to a huge extent much more and since longer from the US side- has no need for pictures, graphics, gifs, scraps, emojies and all that stuff if they come without a serious or meaningful message.
On here the latter is only the case for a tiny minority, including your own, Sheryl. I see little reason for wasting my time and eventually preaching to the walls as long as seemingly a majority here is unwilling to divest from the arrogant attitude of "American exceptionalism' (same with Israel's leadership), insisting of being in the right, doing the right in their attempt for global dominance.


Darren Woolsey (218)
Monday December 12, 2016, 5:30 am
I hyperlinked and reshared that petition, in good faith after AniMae posted it. . .

The wording: Aleppo's Children Are Being Murdered. Demand a No-Fly Zone in Northern Syria Now!

Darren Woolsey (218)
Monday December 12, 2016, 5:32 am
Bottom line is, children shouldn't be pawns IN ANY war (zone) or otherwise. . .

Darren Woolsey (218)
Monday December 12, 2016, 3:31 pm
Syria and the Middle East isn't Stornaway. . . .

Meaning, land masses are fought over for the obvious reasons. . .

Angelika R (143)
Monday December 12, 2016, 6:18 pm

Darren Woolsey (218)
Monday December 12, 2016, 11:35 pm
Thanks for that, Dandelion.
Just read and shared it over social media.

Power-possessors and war mongers. . . take a minute to read this, and reflect on your own capacity for HUMANITY.

Evelyn B (63)
Tuesday December 13, 2016, 11:09 am
I find it heart-breaking to think of the cost of war on the civilians, especially the children, caught in the direct & indirect effects of proxy wars fought over their heads.

I find it doubly heart-breaking when, for reasons of geo-political interests, the media serve us up a narrow choice of heart-tugging stories, while so little is said about others who also live a real hell.

"Bana" - as a symbol of Syrian children be they in Aleppo or elsewhere in Syria - is relatively lucky compared to children in Yemen - where an estimated 500,000 children are now SEVERELY MALNOURISHED because the port through which came 90% of food imports for the North has been destroyed ...
Spare a moment to read The Human Cost of Yemen's War: Malnourished Babies and Children Struggling to Survive (Distressing Images)
The photos are more than distressing - especially some of an 18 year old.

The US, the British, the French have been selling to the Saudis & their allies the war machinery that has caused this terrible situation. But there's no geo-political confrontation over Yemen, so we see and hear little of the Yemeni equivalents to "Bana" ...

Jelica R (144)
Tuesday December 13, 2016, 12:36 pm
How did a no-fly zone worked out for Libya? The highest human development African state is in rubbles, their water and sewage infrastructure destroyed, high educated and emancipated women wear burqa, kids have no nutrition, no education, no security... free medical, housing, education... all gone. People from poor neighbouring countries were protected and employed in Libya, now they are drowning in Mediterranean trying to get to Italy just to have perhaps a miniscule chance to survive....

Crux of the matter is: no-fly zone means that only NATO bombers fly while all the rest stay grounded. Do you understand it? Syrian planes will be shoot down, Syrian air defence capabilities will be levelled to the ground -- just as Libyan Army was prevented to protect their people. BTW, by now you all know that the pretext for a no-fly zone in Libya was a pile of bull excrement -- lies, fabrications and more lies... But they got Russia and China to abstain from vetoing UNSC Res. 1973. Now they are exploiting kids to force no-fly over Syria. If those humanitarians stop their regime change game (not gonna happen this time!) and surrender, kids from BOTH sides will get much higher life expectancy immediately.

Read how a no-fly zone played out for protecting Libyan citizens:
United Nations Security Council Resolution 1973; adopted on 17 March 2011.

"...Military intervention in Libya began on 19 March, as fighter jets of the French Air Force destroyed several pro-Gaddafi vehicles advancing on rebel stronghold Benghazi. U.S. and British submarines then fired over 110 Tomahawk cruise missiles at targets throughout Libya, severely disabling the regime's air defense capability and allowing a wider enforcement of the no-fly zone to begin. A coalition of 10 states from Europe and the Middle East initially participated in the intervention, later expanding to 17. On 31 March, NATO assumed command of the operation. The intervention succeeded in preventing pro-Gaddafi forces from capturing Benghazi.
On 24 August, it was acknowledged for the first time that special forces troops from Britain, Italy, France, Jordan, Qatar, and the UAE had intervened on the ground in Libyan territory, stepping up operations in Tripoli and other cities. This has been questioned as a possible violation of Resolution 1973 although the use of special forces is not prohibited by the resolution.
Noam Chomsky has argued that the Western military intervention into Libya was a clear breach of UNSCR 1973 since it nullified the attempts for a ceasefire that were put forward by the resolution and welcomed by Gaddafi. As he puts it, "NATO powers (France and Britain in the lead and the United States following) violated the resolution, radically, and became the air force of the rebels. Nothing in the resolution justified that. It did call for all necessary steps to protect civilians, but theres a big difference between protecting civilians and being the air force for the rebels."

Now there are ai least 2 rebel governments in Libya and a NATO approved coalition government. Not that any of these bodies actually governs over much of the territory or populace, so here you have it.

Sheryl G (359)
Tuesday December 13, 2016, 5:30 pm
Ros thanks for the Andrew Hastie link unfortunately I couldn't read it as I had to be a premium subscriber to do so. You said, "why is America there at all?" We shouldn't be no more than we should've been in Iraq, Libya, or Vietnam to name a few. There is a list unfortunately. Indeed Ros many orphans, many who have seen a too real life horror. How do they ever recover from such a thing.

Please do enjoy being with your daughter and grandchildrens stay. I bet you are looking forward to seeing them all.

Thanks Angelika for the links - looked at them - got it. I still miss you on here, but glad you come back time to time, but I understand, pressing issues closer to home. Only so much time and we can't be everywhere. I know many like the "extras" on C2 however that is where the glitches seem to come out of every time they add or change something - slows the works down.

Yemen certainly is another place that heartbreaking.......I had not long ago placed a story on about the starvation happening. There isn't a day that goes by that I don't thank my lucky stars I've got a meal to sit down to and provide to my grandchild. Damn wars it always is, the children suffer for things that the adults create.

Thanks Jelica for the reminder about Libya - another people that are dealing with distress of one type of another when they were much happier, educated, and healthy. I wish more people would get their heads out of their butts and realize what their Government is doing in their name.


Evelyn B (63)
Tuesday December 13, 2016, 6:04 pm
Your Libya example , Jelica, confirms what I was trying to point out earlier - a US/Allies "No Fly Zone" means "NO FLY" for the others ... not for them ...

I was actually thinking of the Iraqi Kurdistan example rather than the Libyan case, but the "bias" is the same ...
And the article Ros posted stresses that this could lead rapidly to direct confrontation with the Russians (a danger not present in either the Iraqi or the Libyan cases.

******************************************************* to you both, & to Dandelion

It's easy to believe a "No Fly Zone" would protect the innocents ... if one overlooks that in every case so far in recent history it HASN'T been a NO Fly Zone but "NO" only to "the other side" ...

Angelika R (143)
Tuesday December 13, 2016, 6:52 pm
@ Ros-just one more quickly, before I can abandon this thread, especially since all that incredible propaganda around the city of Aleppo thankfully is now coming to an end after the city has finally been fully liberated -which shamefully the West prefers to call "fallen", their rightful posessors!

You said
"Naturally a bit different, given I am NOT American, in contrast to the site and the majority here in this forum." Nor am I Angelika........but in all fairness.....Dandelion is not your typical American...she goes against the flow in so many ways and is attacked for that..."

Just like we all know you're Australian, I am confident Sheryl also knows well that I was NOT "attacking" her and not "for that". What I did object to and made it quite clear was the SOURCE-CBS "news"- she used for her story. She, of all should have known better but perhaps was so touched by the little girl's and her message and so determinded to post it but just couldn't find another source (no wonder!)
That particular image with that message is especially disturbing as it reflects the propaganda lies even more: Western media have collectively completely ignored the fact that Russian airforce has STOPPED completely their airstrikes over Aleppo City SINCE OCTOBER 18! It has solely been the Syrian airforce doing any bombardments of rebel targets ever since.
Thank goodness now after those terrorists are cleared from the city, evacuations are ongoing since late night Monday-Tuesday and resume on Wedneday for both, rebel fighters and their families plus the rest of civilians still inside the last rebel-held district, the world can see what was there...and what wasn't:
like zero "white helmets" -of course not as they solely operated in their staging locations for producing their propaganda videos- and likewise now confirmed that not a single hospital, school, nursery, kindergarten and what have you were used in their original function but ALL taken over as rebel bases and weaponry warehouse, "chemical kitchen" and the like.

I am not in favor of death penalty, but frankly, I am NOT sorry for those now captured US-backed 'moderate rebels' awaiting execution, such as those of the din-al Zenki group who moderately beheaded the 12-yrs old Palestinian boy on camera.

I'll leave you with this heads-up for watching which will suit your liking much better and merits watching just the same, but isn't showed by your media:

The weekly show, “American Lawyer,” “will tell the stories nobody else would have the chance to hear about” due to corporate-controlled media and will “interview lawyers handling the cases,” Papantonio said.

Angelika R (143)
Wednesday December 14, 2016, 7:44 am
Hugs back Ros :) Yes, I did leave out that part. For one, I wasn't quite sure how exactly it was meant and if it addressed ME- since 2. I do not feel falling in that category. Certainly haven't let down my guard to reflect..etc

Aside from this my other reason for returning here yet again is to unfortunately having to correct something:
It is NOT over in Aleppo City. The resuming evacuations planned for early Wednesday morning were suspended again, due to more terrorist's attacks incl.rocket fire on a christian /Jesuit convent.
500 hardline JN terrorists holed up inside the last rebel district refused the deal and instead continued the fight, logically triggering return defense hostilities by Govt forces.
And on and on goes the blame before for years ..I'll spare you details as that isn't/wasn't the topic here in the first place.

Jelica R (144)
Wednesday December 14, 2016, 11:43 am
Nevertheless, yesterday people were dancing in streets all over Syria.
During the last 3 months some +60 thousand civilians were able to leave east Aleppo since terrorists were to busy fighting each other to guard exit routes and kill people who only wanted to get their kids out.
In liberated parts of Aleppo terrorists left behind lots of documents, arms and other materials of high intelligence value.

About humanitarian situation in Aleppo:
Franklin P. Lamb: Aleppo Update: What is becoming of Syrian families fleeing East Aleppo?; OpEdNews, 12/11/2016

Jelica R (144)
Wednesday December 14, 2016, 11:48 am
Sorry for **to busy **, it should be ** too busy fighting each other to guard exit routes **...

Sheryl G (359)
Wednesday December 14, 2016, 12:02 pm
Thank you Jelica and I'd like to make mention the link provided on that article that one can donate to Meal For Syrian Refugee Children Lebanon

Not only the human cost but from all I'm gathering, Aleppo was considered one of the most beautiful cities in the world. What a heartbreaking pile of destruction it will be once this is all over......

Angelika R (143)
Wednesday December 14, 2016, 1:29 pm
Perhaps as important to mention as those documents left behind are the masses of high humanitarian value:
ALL OF THE FOOD SUPPIES the terrorists stole and/or withheld from the civilians, much of it being the very UN aid packs they've now been trying to get in again ...WHILE THEY WERE THERE ALL THE TIME -for the rebels only! Aleppo isn't the only place in Syria where things are exactly the same!
I'm not providing links, there are way too many anyway..and people should be able on their own to find all the pics and videos, using the right sources!

Jelica R (144)
Sunday December 18, 2016, 4:53 pm
Interesting vid about Aleppo propaganda; with update on Bana and her mother at 12:37, was posted on YouTube yesterday:

The Nazis take Aleppo! (a breakdown of western propaganda)

I would recommend to search for Vanessa Beeley and Eva Bartlett on YouTube. They both speak fluent Arabic, live in the area and have travelled and reported from Syria for years. Vanessa was in liberated East Aleppo last week, has eyewitness testimonies of numerous civilians

Sheryl G (359)
Sunday December 18, 2016, 5:31 pm
Good video. And very sad to see that this little girl was so used and abused as propaganda. Her account being run out of the UK. Lots of information on this video, thanks for supplying it Jelica.

Darren Woolsey (218)
Sunday December 18, 2016, 10:56 pm
Western media lies about Syria exposed (Canadian journalist Eva Bartlett)

Absolutely essential recommended watching. There's another piece of footage involving Eva Bartlett that lasts 50 minutes, which is available on the same panel as the one above.

Jelica R (144)
Monday December 19, 2016, 11:39 am
Bana and her mother were recorded today by MSM journalists before leaving Aleppo to Idlib, some 160 km to the west, still under control of assorted Turkey backed "moderate" Islamists. This vid will probably be everywhere by now. I can't tell whether this was staged or not, but sweet little girl was most likely Bana from posts on Twitter. So, this case ends here... maybe.

Because of assassination of Russian ambassador in Ankara, Turkey; Idlib won't stay under moderate extremist control for much longer. I believe that hot-lines between several state capitals have been brought to white heat.

BTW, a few days ago Trump has mentioned that he might consider viability of several no-fly spots in Syria.

So many balls in the air, some mediocre jugglers and a bunch of spoilers... can it possibly end up rightfully and soon?

Angelika R (143)
Wednesday December 21, 2016, 6:36 pm
Bana and family had a round trip ticked on a flying carpet Ankara> al-Rashideen*-Ankara (Sultan's lap)

Here's another more typical pic of Bana's dad

* that's the crossing/checkpoint in south-West Aleppo where the evacuation busses are taking and picking up people. Round trip= she was in Turkey all the time, at least recent days if not weeks, very likely a fake /staged "evacuation" out of Aleppo and straight back to Turkey, this time directly to the Sultan.

As for all the rest, Vanessa Beeley, Eva Bartlett etc, seen it all earlier and been telling you this all LONG AGO.
Glad about the new troika formed, finally the Russians learned and are doing what needs be done WITHOUT the deceitful lying US ! The dishonest UN are no better. The only uncertain factor in it is Turkey..

Sheryl G (359)
Thursday December 22, 2016, 5:38 am
I saw a short video of Bana and her brother sitting on Erdoğan lap I believe. It was just a quick glance while I was in and out of my bedroom getting dressed and I had a BBC channel on. One wouldn't of even seen that much on a channel from USA.

Yes, you were correct Angelika and it really gets my goat that this little girl was so used because there were many children who truly were suffering in Aleppo. She was used certainly however many more children do exist that were actually suffering. They had no control over the adults in their lives decisions and that hurts.

I hope for a lot of these children the worse is behind them - but who knows, the Heartless Ones make sure there continues to be suffering for many upon this Earth. If anything I'm glad I posted this article as it's a place to go to for additional information. Others on C2 are seeing the opposite and I drop this link onto the thread or links from here in hopes that others will look further.

Sheryl G (359)
Thursday December 22, 2016, 5:44 am
Okay, I see new links now Angelika so what I quickly saw on TV was correct, there are the still shots with the twitter feed you gave. One of the posters said all that was missing from the "family photo" was Bin Laden.
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