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The Anti Trump Resistance Will Fail If We Do Not Ditch Establishment Democrats


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Sheryl
- 897 days ago - theguardian.com
Novembers election is a powerful reminder that the Clinton establishments mix of socially inclusive rhetoric and neoliberal economics is a weak response to xenophobic populism.



   

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Sheryl G (359)
Tuesday January 31, 2017, 5:01 pm
We should be very afraid when the president of the Building Trades Unions umbrella group, Sean McGarvey, calls the meeting he had with Trump last week the best of his life.

Our response in the labor movement must be to support rank-and-file struggles against leaders prone to conciliation for even the most meager of concessions.

We must demand the same accountability from liberal organizations and the Democratic party as well.

There is no doubt that this stance will put like-minded leftists and liberals in direct confrontation with establishment Democrats and their assorted lackies.
 

Freya H (344)
Tuesday January 31, 2017, 5:46 pm
Right on, Dandelion! I finally just wrote in Jill Stein because I have had it with Democrats as they stand now. They have degenerated into GOP Lite. Unless the Democrats drag themselves back to the left and return to their progressive roots, it doesn't matter how many seats we flip to blue in 2018. We need to start at the bottom - city councils and state legislatures - if we are to reform the Democratic party. If you want to slay a giant, first you have to cut him off at the knees.
 

Evelyn B (63)
Tuesday January 31, 2017, 7:54 pm
"frankly, it might be the last hope for democratic politics in this country. Now more than ever we need something to fight for, not just something to fight against."

And that's the crux.

SOMETHING TO FIGHT FOR.
Clear. Defined. Where we can see progress.

Because "reactive" gets worn down, exhausting energies ... It's not good for the morale to live on the "NO, I can't accept that" line, only negative energy is produced that way.

Constructive provides more new energy built on hope.
True, Freya - it's easier to generate - and see - change locally. (except, of course, when BLOTUS releases his "bombshells". - BLOTUS being Biggest Liar Of ...)
 

Darren Woolsey (218)
Tuesday January 31, 2017, 11:54 pm
Shared article to raise and spread awareness.

Reactive and negativity, as Evelyn has suggested, does waste a lot of energy that would and has to be used much more productively. Building on progress, creates a hopeful, optimistic attitude and lays the groundwork for a healthier future.
 

Animae C (508)
Wednesday February 1, 2017, 3:17 am
That is truly horrifying!!!
 

Ed Site Issues V (198)
Wednesday February 1, 2017, 7:37 am
Noted, Thanks
 

Barb SiteIssues V (202)
Wednesday February 1, 2017, 8:32 am
Noted, Thank you
 

Mitchell D (82)
Wednesday February 1, 2017, 1:03 pm
Sheryl, you supported Jill Stein in the recent election, and her votes helped the Empty Orange win the electoral vote. Leave it alone, please!
 

Jae A (316)
Wednesday February 1, 2017, 1:46 pm
Hillary still won the popular vote Mitchell and now is not the time to divide within our own fold so to say. The time for those who care on Care2 need to focus on what is to come and not just what has been. Many reasons why Empty Orange is in office . Fact is we must come together to try and make our way forward instead of backward by division, which Frump and his team of crazies want.... to take us back in time....vanish our constitution and all who stand up for it. We must come together on Care2 if no where else me thinketh. Where else can we think out loud in hopes others will hear...will else can we find friendships who are on our side and we on theirs in such numbers ? I mean, really, lets move ahead and embrace each other in our struggle to make some sense of what we can do to defeat those in D.C. and our State capitals.


Anywho...hugs to all..

The administrations goal is to destroy both the Dem and Repub parties. We can only hope that in the very very near future both sides in government offices will come to that reality. Frump and his cabinet of 1%ers from Wall Streets Deplorables, Crooks and liars wants only one thing...absolute authority . No Nay Sayers allowed anywhere within our borders.....those who might....see 'interment camps' . This is no fricken joke fokes....we're on the brink of the biggest down hill slide that this nation has ever seen/experienced. Frump is a bully without a brain and that makes him seriously dangerous as he's having to take orders from those who do have some brains but only greed as their focus.

I am now going to take a nap and then dress to go dancing, while we are still allowed to do so. Tomorrow I will work as long as that is possible also.

For now, AHHHHHHHHHHHHhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.... and that's my story and I'm sticking to it.
 

Anne K (139)
Wednesday February 1, 2017, 3:05 pm
Thanks, Dandelion.
 

Margarita R (24)
Wednesday February 1, 2017, 4:23 pm
thanks for sharing
Just in case somebody did not get the news, NYAC Cl. ist very, very sick, Her opinion for many things will be
missed.
 

Janis K (129)
Wednesday February 1, 2017, 5:26 pm
Thanks for sharing.
 

Jeff Creech (64)
Wednesday February 1, 2017, 5:27 pm
Look, I agree that Democrats in Washington both in the House and Senate have sold out their constituents for the big money corporate lobbyists are offering to vote their way. I have no doubt that it was directly responsible for the way Trump's cabinet nominees have been floating through the confirmation hearings without much Democratic opposition. The US government is so corrupt because the legislators have passed these laws that it allowed them to accept bribery legally. We absolutely should elect all Progressive candidates who are running for elected offices from the local state and especially the federal levels. The problem is I don't see any of them in my district so what am I stuck voting for. I have to vote for the Democrats. But guess what? The way they have drawn the lines to break down the voting districts even though I live in a community that is largely populated by minorities and immigrants they have drawn the line so that it's in circles areas 100 miles north of here where it is largely Rich Republicans and so because the people that live in my community very rarely get involved in politics guess who gets elected. This is one of the things that President Obama says he will be working on redistricting throughout the United States because almost every state has drawing their lines in this manner. I absolutely know that voting for Jill Stein in this past election was actually giving more votes to Donald Trump. Jill Stein does not even hold an elected position in the federal government and absolutely has no influence within our federal government whatsoever it was a wasted vote. But I know there are people here in this post who disagree with me completely so that's where we are today. If I see any progressives running for any office is within my district I will definitely vote for them but they still probably will not get elected. But when it comes to midterms I am going to vote for the Democrats so that they can gain more seats in the House and Senate and cut this damn republican-majority down if not overtake it. This is the most important thing that we can do to fight the Donald Trump syndrome.
 

Evelyn B (63)
Thursday February 2, 2017, 2:43 am
Mitchell - are you suggesting that everyone should just stick their head in the sand, curl up in a ball for 4 years, swallow every executive order & hope that the damage done will not go too deep?

Blaming how those who didn't trust Clinton for her failure is a lazy way out. The Democrats' current behaviour tends to confirm people's doubts ... You could go a step back - the party chose to tip the balance to get HC nominated rather than respond to a clear message out there: many people wanted a new approach, away from PACS & corpocracy. In so doing, they put up a candidate who ran more risk of losing against DT. Blame the choice of candidate in the circumstances on 2016 - not the people who were trying to act in what they believe to be the US' best interests. And who don't believe that it is in the US' interests to remain stuck in a "monopolistic" election system that excludes all but the Old Parties from the full and free process of campaigning.

I have a very different understanding of responsible citizenship than you do, Mitchell.
 

Arild Warud (174)
Thursday February 2, 2017, 5:02 am
What Trump is doing now is just a prelude to his future actions,face it the Democrats infighting and actions leading up to this election have made them obsolete for mant years to come.
Fascism is not only raising in the USA,we see it all over the world and we have 3 important elections coming up in Europe:France,Germany and Holland.
 

Darren Woolsey (218)
Thursday February 2, 2017, 7:03 am
With Mitchell's attitude, ingrained in the Two-Party Duopoly, America and the rest of the world WILL NEVER progress.
 

Sheryl G (359)
Thursday February 2, 2017, 7:46 am
Mitchell, leave it alone? It is BECAUSE the CORPORATE Democrats offered NOTHING that I could NOT vote for them. You are failing to see that because the Establishment Democrats were playing the same game as the Republicans is the reason we got Trump.

Jill Stein didn't cause us to obtain Donald Trump, Jill Stein offered me a place I could vote and still hold my integrity, my dignity, and in hopes enough of us would turn their back on the Corporate stranglehold that we have with BOTH Parties.

I suggest that those who are not seeing this of the Democratic Party please do so because you will not win back the Democrats that left the Party to vote for Jill Stein or simply sit home because they could not bear to add their mark next to Hillary's name. The Democrats will not win the Independent voters if the Dem's in fact are acting like Republicans.

Do you forget who gave us NAFTA? Sending our jobs overseas to exploit other workers and environment as they had weaker policies on both worker rights and the environment. It was the Dem's who removed what our ancestors placed on from the Great Depression to protect us called Glass-Steagall that led us to the Wall Street gambling free for all and gave us an economic crash? And there is more......

So I beg you Mitchell instead of getting upset with me for posting some of the reasons why the Dem's lost and the Orange one is in, that you set aside your blind loyalty to the Democratic Party and start to see their mistakes. And it wasn't just Hillary, it's the whole darn Party that has sold us out right along with the Right, it is a fact that blind loyalty to both these main Parties has been the downfall.

So either vote out those Corporate Democrats and make the Democratic Party once more stand for what it was suppose to be all about, the working classes of all colors and heritages. I'm not seeing it and a lot of us are not seeing where the Democrats give a crap about us, until it is time for our vote. I could no more vote in this election for the Dem's than I could for the GOP. Maybe now that Orange One is in office people will finally start to get a clue.

Those of us who have been trying to wake up the Democratic leadership and the voters can only hope so. I'm on your side Mitchell, only some of us have woken up sooner and smelled the stench in the Dem's Party and why they have lost so many seats of power, removed our blindfolds off and seen how the Dem's as well as the Republicans have led us to the spot we are today.

Saying it is the fault of the Jill Stein voters that we have Donald is a cheap shot and doesn't fix a thing within the Democratic Party and why they pushed such a flawed Candidate. Almost anyone should of won against Trump, anyone except Hillary, and the polls were showing that. The Corporate Dem's wanted who they wanted, they didn't want Bernie, because then they'd have to face the fact that they were protecting their Corporate donors, so they did what they could to remove him.

Besides, if you count all the votes for Jill Stein in each State, nowhere did she pull enough votes away from Hillary where it mattered. Hillary lost on her own accord. You might want to try fixing the Electoral College but don't blame us Jill Stein voters.
 

Evelyn B (63)
Thursday February 2, 2017, 9:24 am
Well said, Dandelion - it was a cheap shot - exactly the kind one hears from those who don't dare let themselves question what the Democrat Party is doing to itself.
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Lenore K (0)
Thursday February 2, 2017, 4:35 pm
ok
 

Bryan S (105)
Thursday February 2, 2017, 7:50 pm
The Democrats aren't as ideologically crazy as the Repubs but they support the same thing. Look at how our endless wars in the Mid-East have expanded under the dems. Look at the horrible TPP that Obama pushed. The surveillance state has grown. No prosecutions for torture or bank fraud, so we'll have both again likely. Anyway, this is a new political organization that might be worth checking out:
https://justicedemocrats.com/home-1/?utm_expid=138498668-0.DbzB_JSuQ6u6dZl0XxJRfw.1
 

Jolene Pope (7)
Thursday February 2, 2017, 11:28 pm
Its a very complicated balance we absolutely do need to get Republicans out of office in the midterms. However the Democratic party has become very corrupt in some ways. There's not a lot of difference between them and the Republicans. President Obama allowed several multiple pipelines before he finally caved to public pressure and tried to stop the Keystone XL and the Dakota access pipelines. He stepped up drone strikes not reduced them. He supported terrorists in Libya and Syria and was seeking regime change . Both he and Hillary seemed bent on a war with Russia. there is too much to go into it all. As for as people not voting for Hilary in the end it came down to this for me. I wouldn't have cared about the hacks if they showed nothing. What they showed was corruption and that we could not trust what she said. On top of that she was going around talking war with Russia. I supported Hillary ever since she was first lady but In the last two weeks of the campaign I had to come to the very painful decision of voting for Jill Stein in stead of Hillary. The corruption and foul play got to be too much I could no longer justify supporting her I could not vote for her and live with myself. I left the Democratic party. There are a few that are really good people who vote the right way but the majority of the party needs to go along with most of the Republicans. I am lucky in my state that my two senators have an excellent voting record. I do not believe the Democratic party can be saved not if you want get rid of the corruption. I think a small group of them can be saved but that they should join with whatever new party's rise up from this mess.
 

Sheryl G (359)
Friday February 3, 2017, 10:59 am
Well said Jolene, it was the same for me, I could not live with myself if I voted for Hillary and I certainly could not vote for Trump either.

Jill Stein, as Jeff points out, may not held the experience, but she was speaking in the way I wanted to see this Country move. She is far from stupid and she would of brought in the people to the various positions that would help her and us move to a better Vision.

I know Jae, that it would be wonderful if the people could pull together under an already established Party but that is not possible right now because those in the Democratic Establishment are not wanting to see it moving in a Progressive way, they like it the way it is. I've posted many articles whereby people like Nancy Pelosi are just not "getting it" and feel if they tweak a few words here or there the youth of this Country will come running, well they are not.

Many of us older ones who supported the Democrats most of our lives are moving away from them, over the years we have seen it has not mattered that we did, in fact many of their actions have hurt us badly in the middle classes and the poor have only grown more poor and many more have lost footing and joined them. with less safety nets and no hope of getting out once in.

That is an interesting link Bryan and thanks for sharing it on here. Think I'll post it for more to see. If Dem's want to grow, and that means pulling in more of the youth, then they need to do more than just have a few training workshops as they are now doing, learning how to talk a talk - the youth are wanting to see them walk a walk. If they start walking in a better way, they'll bring in the youth, heck, I'll still vote for anyone in the Dem's that is truly a Progressive.

Jeff also brought up a point about this Gerrymandering, that too must stop, but we have few willing to do anything about it in DC because it is working for them. Until we can get people in serious about bringing a fair playing field for all voices then we'll stay within this rigged system.

 

Sheryl G (359)
Sunday February 5, 2017, 5:42 am
As C2 is a smaller community than FB - I assure you I'm not lacking for company on FB. There are a lot of FB members who are feeling things similar to myself concerning the Democratic Party that needs to wake up, to make some drastic changes that many within the Party and outside of the Party could believe in. Thus far we are not seeing it. I want to leave this what a delegate wrote.

My verbatim response to the latest DNC Survey:

"I have been a Democrat for 45 years and was a 2016 DNC Delegate. What should have been a deeply satisfying “bucket list” honor and experience was a four-day hellish nightmare because I was a Sanders Delegate. While I could recall many discouraging and demeaning moments, I was most shaken during the Monday evening opening prayer when the minister invoked only Clinton's name. Insensitive and mean spirited. This the only occasion on which I have ever “booed” a prayer!

Although I have no plans to leave MY PARTY I do expect major changes. I will make no further donations until I am convinced the Party has been rehabilitated. To mend the massively damaged Democratic brand, consider:

1. The Party must address and correct the nationwide 2016 Democratic primary election fraud and voter disenfranchisement as validated by dozens of election authorities. The DNC to date has not acknowledged this “elephant in the room.” We must immediately set about reforming state primary and caucus processes. Establishing Open Primaries is optimal.
2. The Clinton Brand is damaged beyond repair. Do not pursue this candidate family in 2020.
3. Debbie Wasserman Schultz and Donna Brazile disgraced (and almost destroyed) the Party. They have no future role in the DNC.
4. David Brock's strategies are ineffective. He has no credibility with rank and file Democrats. Using his services going forward will be an indication of “business as usual” at the DNC.
5. Most of the 400+ member DNC governing core (termed “ Elites” by common Democrats) are considered very untrustworthy. Ideally all should be purged and new leadership put in place.
6. The DNC mistakenly believes Bernie Sanders can rally support for Party initiatives. Stop using Bernie as a shepherd. He cannot herd supporters in the Party's direction. They largely think for themselves.
7. Elect a fresh new face (Canova or Gabbard) as DNC Chair. Known, admired and trusted nationally. A reinvented DNC will emerge.

In a spirit of helpfulness I will discuss Party strategies in depth with those interested." Janice Thomasson
 

Evelyn B (63)
Sunday February 5, 2017, 6:06 am
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Thanks for sharing that, Dandelion -
I suspect (and hope) that this Janice Thomasson is far from alone in thinking this way
(or am I unrealistically optimistic)

But will they stand up to be counted???
 

Chen Boon Fook (0)
Monday February 6, 2017, 12:14 am
thanks
 

Jae A (316)
Wednesday February 22, 2017, 7:17 pm
Time to find and elect 'Progressive' dems to office period ... i.m.o. :-) Out with the so called 'liberals' in office and on with real Progressive who want to move forward not just lock step in place as the old 'liberals' ultimately turned to doing....$$$$$ More like Bernie and Elizabeth is what it will take to keep our Democracy as we've know it to be in the past...even more so in the future.
 

Sheryl G (359)
Monday February 27, 2017, 7:02 am
Aho!
 
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